Talk:Neutral Route/@comment-26058898-20160514201853/@comment-27907368-20160514210637

Hmm... Okay, so, your first time through the game (so long as you don't go genocide route), you will always have to fight Photoshop Flowey. After you beat him, he will refuse to fight you because he remembers losing.

At this point, if you've gained no EXP/LOVE on the run, you can simply load your save and backtrack and befriend everybody. Flowey will talk to Papyrus to get all your new monster pals to join you before the ASGORE fight. The Asriel fight will then occur.

However, if you beat Photoshop Flowey and have EXP/LOVE, you have to reset and go through the game without gaining EXP/LOVE and also have to befriend the main cast. Flowey will remind you to do this if you reach him again (after Asgore); he will still refuse to fight you.

I hope this helped!