Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-28814491-20170506023810/@comment-27123315-20180605023011

HolyDarkHunter wrote: While it's true that Alphys does switch between 'normal' and all lowercases when online, I still think that there was a second helper... However, this doesn't mean that the second helper wrote all of the Entries. All of these entries match Alphys' personality when stressed - She begins to doubt herself, becomes depressed, and just has difficulty reaching a decisoin. And while it is possible that Napstablook could've worked on Mettaton's body in Entry 11, given his connection to the celebrity robot, we should also note that Alphys always starts sweating a lot whenever she tries to bluff, hide, is embarrassed... It's not too hard to believe that she was just getting worked up about possibly losing one of her only 'friends' she had at the time.
 * ENTRY NUMBER 9: things aren't going well. none of the bodies have turned into dust, so i can't get the SOULs. i told the families that i would give them the dust back for the funerals. people are starting to ask me what's happening. what do i do?
 * ENTRY NUMBER 11: now that mettaton's made it big, he never talks to me anymore. ... except to ask when i'm going to finish his body. but i'm afraid if i finish his body, he won't need me anymore... then we'll never be friends ever again. ... not to mention, every time i try to work on it, i just get really sweaty...
 * ENTRY NUMBER 19: the families keep calling me to ask when everyone is coming home. what am i supposed to say? i don't even answer the phone anymore.
 * ENTRY NUMBER 20: ASGORE left me five messages today. four about everyone being angry. one about this cute teacup he found that looks like me. thanks asgore.
 * ENTRY NUMBER 21: i spend all my time at the garbage dump now. it's my element.

However, starting with Entry 10, there seems to be a sudden shift in tone:

In the Entries beforehand, Alphys was trying her hardest to figure out a way to help the ill monsters, and was looking for any way to possibly heal them. While the flowers might have gone to the side, the entry comes off as dismissive and almost cold. Given how this one of her first experiments, why would she so willing to toss it aside? In addition, while we assume that the other flowers are the 'control cases', how do we know that's really the case?
 * ENTRY NUMBER 10: experiments on the vessel are a failure. it doesn't seem to be any different from the control cases. whatever. they're a hassle to work with anyway. the seeds just stick to you, and won't let go...

Once again, the entries 12 and 13 seem out of character for Alphys, especially when combined with Entry 14. Whereas Alphys' Entries tend to be more descriptive, Entries 12 and 13 are short, trying to get the message down as quick as possible. While it's possible that she wrote these down in haste, they don't have the amount of 'panic' she has when things aren't working for her. They come off as cold again, almost purely analytical. In addition, Entry 14 comes off with Alphys seeming too confused to know what happened to the monsters under her care. Almost as if someone else is also working on the DT experiments without her knowing of them...
 * ENTRY NUMBER 12: nothing is happening. i don't know what to do. i'll just keep injecting everything with "determination." i want this to work.
 * ENTRY NUMBER 13: one of the bodies opened its eyes.
 * ENTRY NUMBER 14: Everyone that had fallen down... ... has woken up. They're all walking around and talking like nothing is wrong. I thought they were goners...?

While Entry 16 is most likely Alphys, given the panic and rushed message, Entry 17 is rather difficult to tell whether it is hers or the 'helper'. While it could be her writing the Entry down in a shocked state, also comes off as an observation, like a scientist observing several test subjects and writing what they saw.
 * ENTRY NUMBER 16: no No NO NO NO NO
 * ENTRY NUMBER 17: monsters' physical forms can't handle "determination" like humans' can. with too much determination, our bodies begin to break down. everyone's melted together...

Given her panic about what happened to the other monsters, you'd think that she'd also be panicking about what happened to the flower. Where did it go? Who could've possibly moved it? Did it fade into dust, or gain a life of its' own? Instead, this entry seems to be an observation - a stated fact with no emotional connection.
 * ENTRY NUMBER 18: the flower's gone.



So overall, we have two separate versions of Entries that show up - Alphys and the 'helper'. Alphys' entries seem to be more emotionally invested, while the 'helper's' entries come off as more analytical and detached. And with the confusion of how the patients were healed, it could be that they weren't working together, so what if the 'helper' was one of the assistants for the first scientist? After all, given that Alphys needed to look over several blueprints and vidoes to repair and use the DT Extractor, it would seem like you'd need to learn a lot to successfully extract Determination. However, if the 'helper' was one of the previous assistants before Alphys became the Royal Scientist, it would explain how they were both able to avoid detection and use DT samples...

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This is all for the purpose of making an observation rather than a theory, so feel free to make your own assumptions, breakdowns and counter-arguments from this.

very good observation. gonna have to go with sans (which is what i think you were implying) just because of the way he talks. he tends to be pretty straightforward, and not very descriptive. His "serious side" is most likely the most genuine part of his personality, however it's also the one we've seen the least. Though based on the way he talks then ("have you ever heard of a talking flower" "You'd be dead where you stand") and due to the fact that he was ready to kill you, a child (he's pretty much one of the only people to truly understand the gravity of that compared to Papyrus and Undyne) and really only stopped because a friend asked and he knew you'd most likely just reset, shows that he is willing to adhere to cold logic and less likely to be sentemental. I would say that alphys knows about sans though. She seems to understand the determination is what caused this and she references knowing sans closely in some pacifist endings (and gets really nervous when Papryus asks how they know each other until sans dodges the question) showing that they

a. know each other

and b. it's not for a reason either of them are willing to tell the main charecters.

Only thing I don't understand is if sans was some ingenius scientist and helped to old Wingdings himself, why did Alphys become the scientist and not him (keep in mind Gaster follower says that there was a large gap in between the two's work) Maybe sans was too depressed due to reset knowlage/ what happened to  (or what he did to) Gaster to really hold down such an important job. Either that or he just wanted to be able to still spend time with his brother, as he knew he didn't really have any other friends to be with.