Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-37334388-20190301031034/@comment-32182236-20190903124518

Not in their body but as a soul inside Asriel.

Okay, if they're going to be a soul inside Asriel no matter what, then why does it matter where your dead human body ends up?

Ask this to monsters who spread the dust on their beloved favorite thing knowing that they are dead,or real life humans who make burials etc...for the empty body.That because this body was part of the deceased person's being,where they used to reside.

The monsters believe that their essence will live on in that thing. So they do believe monsters have some kind of life after death. Remember, essence and SOUL are not the same thing, and it is possible to live without a SOUL.

As for humans? ...Do you, like.. not believe that religion even exists?

People make burials because they believe there will be a resurrection. …

"Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead"-Isaiah 26:19

They believed in a resurrection. And if your dead bodies are going to come back to life someday, of course you're going to want said body to be buried and preserved.

Now, I'm not going to make any statements on whether or not this resurrection will actually happen, but the fact is, people believe in it.

So of course they're going to act on their beliefs, whether they be true or false.

It's similar to what Chara did though.They carried their "body"upon the thing they loved while monsters spread the dust of the dead monster upon one thing thing the latter loved but Chara's body of course did not turn into dust because they are a human,thus content to carry their body on the thing they loved aka golden flowers

...What about the Heart Locket?

Though you do raise a point that this was not meant to be a burial after all. Chara only wished to see the golden flowers.

But in that sense, there's still no need to carry the body to the golden flowers. Chara would see the flowers even if the body was dropped, simply because they are seeing the same things Asriel sees. That a REALLY bad example because you know he despises humans and all and as even Toriel burry them all latter on in the pacifist run(and already burried Chara)

Seems Toriel follows human tradition a lot better..

She still likes humans. Unlike most of the rest of monsterkind.

Correction,a monster tradition :)

Correction-We've moved on from tradition altogether now.

Thus it's pointless to PUT it SPECIFICALLY on the flowers if they wanted to force an attack.Did you get it now??

...What, you don't think Chara just standing around there instead of just getting on with either following with the wish (placing the body on the flowers) or killing the six humans (which shouldn't be done while holding the body) would be suspicious to Asriel?

1.The humans already remarked them at this point before Chara reached the center and thus they would still attack,so it's pointless for them to continue to walk here to get attention.

The narrative of the story tells of the screams AFTER Asriel found the flowers. So they saw Asriel holding the body AFTER they reached the golden flowers at the center of the village. They already reached their destination.

Again,they PUT their body on the golden flowers,they were not standing here showing Asriel holding the dead body to everyone ,something they would do if they really wanted to get everyone attention,so it really seems like they wanted to rest their body upon the golden flowers.

If they didn't do that, Asriel would catch on that it's a trap.

So, from Chara's perspective.. Asriel got the both of them killed to save evil humans. The humans' lives outweighed the life of his best friend, Chara Dreemurr." I mean,they kinda LET him spare them because Chara did not resist Asiel's decision and let him to run away.

...Chara DID resist the decision. That's exactly why Asriel stumbled on the way home. They were still fighting over what to do. Asriel just had more determination (or perhaps he had more control because it was HIS body), and won out the duel. Which is how he was able to successfully resist Chara using their full power.

Apparently only in the genocide run,otherwise they dont kill him even when they figure out that Asriel is Flowey ,even when you abort genocide run.

...They don't figure out that Asriel is Flowey until after the point of no return, which is after killing Mettaton NEO. Plus, they need to have become fully physical to attack on their own. They don't just have control over Frisk at all times-In fact, I argue the cutscenes of Frisk moving on their own is just that-A cutscene. And that they are is Frisk acting. (So, Frisk is the one walking past Papyrus' puzzles..)

Perhaps because in this run you proved them that it raelly kill or be killed and thus that its Asriel's fault if they both got killed.

...Isn't that what Flowey says at the end of his very first encounter? That it IS kill or be killed? Pretty sure Chara was there.

Only if you nudge them to.You have to press z or enter(and interesngly there's no dialogues afterwads).Even then,Chara needs your permission,perhaps the strikes are due to anger and lv they got but they need your pernission regadless.

Z is the button you press to advance dialogue, and possibly certain emotional scenes. Of course you have to press Z.

And I said, specifically, rather than a swift one. So even IF we told Chara to kill Flowey (which I believe we didn't), that still doesn't explain why they made it a PAINFUL one. Again,they dont need to PUT their body upon the golden flowers for this to work,showing Asriel holding their body in the center is enough,this is why i believe that Chara only wanted to rest their body here.

Which they would have no reason to do.

They saw Asriel holding the body at the golden flowers. They attacked. Pretty sure you're not in a good position to attack back if you're still holding the body. So take my above argument saying it'd be suspicious not to put it down, and combine it with this one, and it makes perfect sense why he set down the body. How could he defend himself still holding the body? He had to set it down. On the flowers, which they were on.

The way this:"There he found a bed of golden flowers"is worded implies that Asriel was looking for a bed of golden flowers but did not find anywhere else.

But Asriel reveals Chara was the one holding their own body. So CHARA was the one moving, looking for the golden flowers. And as I said, they had a perfectly good reason to specifically pick that one, rather than looking elsewhere.

By the way, the common misconception that Asriel did everything, which Asriel would have heard as Flowey, is the reason why he said that control was actually split between the two. He was correcting the misconception that Frisk probably heard from the monsters, since the monsters' story says it was all Asriel.