Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31371445-20170222233857/@comment-27136653-20181115175705

"It's the latter. After all, what does Gerson have to say about it? "I know you can't here."

'Gerson makes note of this law. All the other shopkeepers follow said law.'"

"BTW:Crystals making forcefields is technically also making a new rule. Catch-22, it seems."

I define B as something that needs no new "inexplicable universal rules".

When there's an inconsistency, and you CANNOT simply shift the stuff around to get rid of it, then OF COURSE you gotta make up a new rule. The only difference between B and C is whether it's defined at all. B = whatever sci-fi explanation that works. C = literally "god did it".

What do you say then? Can the shops be explained with B, or do you crave for a specific new law of physics, metaphysics, thermodynamics and quantum mechanics, which states that "if a person [insert a description of Frisk's DNA and their soul and everything pretty much here] stands at [the location of any of the shops], then [do something]"...?

I prefer B, like, everywhere, with anything and everything. C is just eww.

"You are the one to use C in the Asriel fight. What's with that? You have an inclusive explanation right in front of you!"

Haha, indeed, the saves are a bit metaphysical, so giving them a new rule might seem obscure, befitting the C category.

But if you think of them as simple spacetime portals transporting essences around (e.g. magic manipulating other magic, nothing physical that would illogically disturb causality), then there's nothing meta about them and whatever new rule I give them is akin to me giving the crystals in Waterfall force-field generating abilities.

I have also rejected your theory, because in the end, I regard DT and souls as more important and "based in reality" than the entire SLR mechanic. So no paradox concerning SLR could convince me to change it. Rather, I'll shape the SLR to my needs. What was it again, that we can reload mid-battle by quitting the game? Yeah. That is quite obscure, compared to the soul mechanics and whatnot, hence why I'm putting them above the SLR in this specific case. And about the reload itself, here's a piece of my wisdom: Flowey doesn't address this, so it's not canon. You see, I would expect him to address it. After all, bamboozling a literal god with a simple reload is quite noteworthy.

This is reminding me of the fact that Toriel mentions allergies in that rock puzzle room only if you read the sign that says something like 3/4 rocks like being pushed. It's an illogical connection of events, and Nochocolate even received a reply from Toby (@undertalegame) confirming it's a bug: https://66.media.tumblr.com/a715ebf44d45aa10b4df79e70ba8048c/tumblr_inline_oetdo3dylD1tnlh39_500.png

I bet you this obscure mechanic in Asriel's battle also wasn't an intended behavior, because it diminishes the importance of the battle, which the entire game has been building up to. Toby would not dare to sacrifice that.