Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20181123023529/@comment-32182236-20181130220352

"Don't forget that just because a character says it, it doesn't mean that thing is infalibly true. Undertale characters can be just as confused as we are."

So, why do you assume Chara's statement about the SOUL belonging to Asriel is infallably true? It'd be more reasonable for Chara to sense their own SOUL than to be able to scan every other SOUL and find that Asriel has his own one there as well, yet somehow completely miss their own SOUL.

"Alyphs assumed, because all the Fallen Down monsters around her horribly turned into mush as she watched, that this is the effect Determination must have on ALL monsters. And she theorized that monster physicality couldn't support high levels of Determination. And yet.. Undyne turned out just fine from her experience with Determination. Alyph's theory of how Determination affected monsters was wrong, because her test subjects were not typical monsters at all, their souls had already been removed. Which is why they seemed dead at first, yet refused to turn to dust."

I've said it before:The reason why Undyne didn't melt was because she didn't have as much determination as the Amalgamtes did. By the way, Undyne DID end up melting, but not until after you killed her, and she got even MORE determined than she already was. At that point, she got so determined that she hit the goop stage. So yes, what happened to the Amlagamtes DOES happen to ALL monsters at that level. It's the natural result of an unnaturally high DT amount.

"Asriel at the end of the game believed he no longer had a soul, just like how Flowey spent the entire game believing he no longer had a soul. But Chara's soul was in him the whole time. And for all his talk about quickly fading, Asriel was able to haul himself all the way to the beginning of the game again.. and seems unchanged."

He said pretty soon, he'd turn into a flower. Not that it'd happen instantaneously. My remnant/radiation theory explains why this detail makes sense. Though Asriel's game where he turns into his Hyperdeath form probably on its own used up at least 90% of his SOUL remnant. Potentially even over 99%, or even all of it, because the next time we see him after the game ends is back as Flowey before he gives his warning.

By the way, the fact that he doesn't turn back into Asriel as a result of SAVing in the Epilouge and loading back means that either:Asriel's SOUL energy status is not affected by RESET magic, or that the universe is not sent back in time at all when you close and reopen the game:Only after you LOAD does it happen.

It also makes Flowey's speech about leting Frisk live happily make more sense. If we didn't save and the world has already been set back, the Barrier would be blinked back into existence, and Frisk wouldn't be "living happily".

If I figured that out from the start, my original argument on Flowey's warning would be a lot better. Either way, version 2.0:The world could NOT have been set back. Seeing him as Flowey proves that he faded.

Undertale doesn't let us see the keys on oir keychan because they don't exist until Sans uses his time prank weirdness again to make them appear before Sans would have naturally "given" them to you. You know, the strange thing he uses to make shortcuts and prank you when you enter his room?

"Flowey didn't just have residual determination floating around inside him from before.. he was FILLED with determination."

Or, the determination alongside its essence was enough to make something living enough to make more DT naturally. Or, his DT didn't shift at all because he retained the ability after the event, and may have had the ability before then, but simply not noticed it until the DT made that instinct occur, and the first reset happened.