Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-29788596-20160906011125/@comment-32182236-20200129175725

But a slash isnt even a being, its a slash... I mean Asriel took Chara's body across the barrier while it didn't have any strong soul or anything...It seems like only living beings can't cross the barrier if they don't have a strong soul.

Strange. In the intro, we can't see below the Barrier, indicating that light wasn't able to leave. And AT the Barrier, we see what appears to be a white, shining wall, indicating that light simply reflected off the Barrier.

Yet Chara was able to bring their own body past the Barrier.

Given this, what's likely is that living beings can take things that they're holding/touching across the Barrier with them.

Then why would they call it the "world" then?

Frisk still can't cross the Barrier. To them, the world IS destroyed. As for Chara, remember that they want Frisk to give them their SOUL.

Though there might be evidence that they do consider the Underground as its own world (Perhaps like the Dark World from Deltarune?)

First off:

"It was you who pushed everything to its edge. It was you who led the world to its destruction."

We really only lead the Underground to its destruction. We didn't do a thing to the Surface.

Second, the Surface has explicitly been called "The world above".

In Temmie Village, there is a mushroom (Ragel) with a "mushroom dance. Afterwards, the mushroom has this to say.

"It symbolizes my inner torment, trapped here by hyphae. My struggle to pull away. My struggle to escape. But alas, to no avail. If only I could see the world above. But even if the barrier was open, how would I leave...?"

Ragel only says this if you haven't killed any monsters, and the Barrier hasn't been broken yet.

But it's clear that the Surface has been considered as another world. So that could be what Chara was referring to.

After all, the wind we hear when the world is destroyed has to come from somewhere..

Same thing. They hate humanity but killing them is their choice. Not sure that ANY misotrope would take immense pleasure at making babies and children suffer just because they are humans. You cast them as a pure evil sadistic monster while hypocritically claiming that they are not.

I mean, Flowey killed people for fun, and even tried to destroy the world, killing both humans and monsters. And yet we forgive him.

Though, I'm fine with you saying BOTH Flowey and Chara are pure evil. But you're going to have to stay consistent.

That still mean they have standards. They are not like "muah muah muahh kilin iz fun muah muah im so evileu killin everi1"

Of course. As I said, they're not pure evil. They don't kill For the Evuls, they kill because they hate humanity.

They're still really messed up, though. I do disagree with the Chara Defense Squad, after all-So don't think I'm saying they're good. They're not. I called them an Anti-Villain for a reason. I know the name's probably a misnomer, but Anti-Villains are still bad. They're just villains with actual motivations for what they're doing. Which makes them far more realistic than cartoon villains.

"Only cartoon villains cackle with glee while rubbing their hands together and dream of ruling the world in the name of all that is wicked and bad"-Brad Warner

"The sympathetic villain is one with the typical traits of a villainous character but differs in their motivations. Their intentions to cause chaos or commit evil actions is driven by an ambiguous motivation or is not driven by an intent to cause evil. Their intentions may coincide with the ideals of a greater good, or even a desire to make the world a better place, but their actions are inherently evil in nature. Characters who fall into this category are often created with the intention of humanizing them, making them more relatable to the reader/viewer by posing the "how" and "why" behind their motivations rather than simply creating a one-dimensional character. Because of their motives, many of these types of villains are commonly nicknamed as "anti-villains"."