Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-38884348-20190321211411/@comment-30708811-20190422064221

PersonThePerson wrote: IFanon wrote:

PersonThePerson wrote: Of COURSE Frisk left the barrier. It’s so ridiculously obvious.

In all Neutral routes, after Flowey steals the SOULs (and maybe some other stuff happens too), you find yourself in a room.

This room contains a patch of grass, and a doorway. This room is not any of the rooms with doorways previous. This is where we end up if we do a True Pacifist.

In True Pacifist, you can walk back from this room to the other monsters. This proves that this room is past the barrier.

In some Neutral routes, Flowey doesn’t fight you. But in all Neutral routes, he steals the human SOULs. This is likely what caused Frisk to be propelled across the barrier.

Plus, if you kill Flowey, his flower body is shown in the room you’re in; the room past the barrier. This is how he contacts you after you do Neutral. What? How is it obvious? The game says you need a monster AND human soul to cross. Frisk doesn't have a monster soul because they didn't absorb Toriel's and either they or Flowey destroys Asgore's.

And how is that room past the barrier? Isn't that is where you fall when the game starts? The barrier is also in New Home (where Asgore shows you the other SOULs), so that is even more confusing. Yes, you’re right that it doesn’t make sense for the room you end up to be the room you first started, which is why no, it’s not where you fall when the game starts. As I explained, you end up at that same room in True Pacifist after beating Asriel, and when you walk backwards, you end up going backwards from New Home into the underground. Plus, there are subtle differences between the room you start in and the room you end in. It’s like Home vs. New Home.

As for how they got across, remember that monster SOULs are a lot weaker than human SOULs. The power of a human + monster combo is likely much weaker than the power of someone absorbing six human SOUls at once. This explains Flowey and Frisk’s leap onto the other side of the barrier: Flowey absorbed the SOUls, causing him and Frisk to go to the other side of the barrier.

I explained this all in the original post. Ah, now I get it - sorry