Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-34798955-20180310144518/@comment-35615238-20190121022047

I'm not gonna debunk your comment, but I'll just say a few things.

- In the fight with Dogamy and Dogaressa, Charrator says "The Dogs may want to re-smell you." This is specifically telling you to choose the "Re-sniff" act which eventually leads to sparing. Also in that Froggit scenario you mentioned, the ruleset for the entire underground was to kill any human that fell, and I'm pretty sure even the ruins monsters want to get to the surface. Also, another example of Charrator's helping is in the fight with Mettaton EX, where they say "His weak point is his heart-shaped core." This is telling you that when the heart is out, shoot it. You could think of this as a way of persuading you to kill him, but shooting the heart only removes his limbs, and he loses them regardless of you shooting or not.

- I'm not exactly saying Post-death Chara was an angel, but they are a spirit that interprets your actions as what they should be doing themselves. They are a child, after all. So you can make them do what you think is right. They can either fulfill their wish of freeing the monsters or become a "demon" and murder the only people they loved. About the whole "Toriel didn't care" thing, that's up to anyone to decide. The only thing that could potentially relate to Chara's life at Home is the dumbing down of the tools in the house, which may have been for the sake of making Chara feel safer in her new home as again, Chara most likely had a justified reason for hating humanity, such as abuse.

- The messages in Waterfall say that a monster and a human soul in one body has immense power. It is true that we have no idea what would happen if a human had a monster soul; you have a point there since a monster's soul is just going to disappear if it dies. But if we go by the path of logic, it'd just be reasonable to assume that a human absorbing a monster soul instead of the other way around would have about the same level of power. And even if Chara's body was made of physical matter, it could have very much been enhanced to look grotesque.

- Another thing we truly don't know is why Chara said they wanted to see the golden flowers in their village. There's just as high of a chance that it was because of bait as there's a chance of it being genuine. And keep in mind, Chara was only trying to kill the humans when they started getting attacked. Chara was teaching Asriel the nature of humans and how they attack things they don't understand in the ruckus.

- I do know that Chara may have been the person responsible for the murder of Sans, Asgore, and Flowey. The thing is, it is never shown in the game if killing Asgore and Flowey actually gives EXP, so you are correct in that sense of Chara killing them.

- While the Soulless Pacifist ending does show Chara with the heads scratched off and laughing in the other cutscene, we again don't know if they do kill everyone or not. You may be right in the sense that they kill everyone Post-ending, but it could be both at the same time.

In the end, Chara may not have been good, but I hope we can both agree that they are at the very best neutral. They hated humanity and had a plan to possibly destroy them. But they genuinely loved the Dreemurr family and didn't show any evidence of hating monsters. Let's be honest. Why would you randomly turn on a race who showed you kindness and want to kill them for no real reason? That sounds pretty stupid. And the Genocide route shows that Chara thinks killing the monsters was for a greater purpose and not for fun, as when you do a Genocide route twice, they say in their ending that they cannot understand why you kill everyone several times.

I really don't like causing arguments and hellfires, so I want to be as reasonable as I can with these responses.