Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26173722-20180625135942/@comment-33883848-20190828145329

"Remember when Alphys brought Flowey to life? Flowey is Asriel reincarnated but without his soul, but when Asriel died he had both his own soul and Chara's. It's not specfically stated how Alphys brought Flowey to life, but it's likely she did so by injecting the flower with determination which not only affected the remanants of Asriel's soul but also affected Chara's soul."

Euh.....wasn't Chara's essence lingering on their body??.They are capable to describe the coffin's experience,so it obvious that Chara's essence was attached to their body.And Chara themself admits that they awakened them from death was Frisk's dt "Your power awakened me from death".

"Humans aren't like monsters. Their bodies are made of water not magic, and their souls persist after death. I purpose that Chara's soul, after Alphys created Flowey, returned to her own body which was burried in the Ruins, in the exact spot where Frisk woke up."

Why would it return to their body??There's no point.Plus Flowey himself says that Chara is a souless entity like him.

"Of course, bringing back the dead doesn't necessarily bring them back exactly the way they were, as seen with Flowey and the Amalgyms. This is why Frisk isn't exactly the same as Chara but why Frisk can still be controled by Chara sometimes and has their memories."

Yes but still,Flowey is STILL the same person as Asriel.And if Frisk is Chara,why would they regain their memories (as indicated by New home narration)only in the genocide run while they can remember what Asgore told them in each run??

"However, Frisk is not the same as Chara. "

Either Frisk is Chara,either they are not.Stop confusing everyone.

"Frisk was brought back used by being injected the determination from the six souls. Those souls don't seem to be as vindictive as Chara, and made Frisk a much kinder person than Chara was."

Determination # kindness,essence etc....Determination from Alphys's own words is the "will to live"and if those souls made Frisk kinder,ehy didnt they make Flowey kinder??Why Flowey became a such sociopath??That also fall appart if we consider Chara's own dialogue in genocide end where they reveals that Frisk's soul brought them back to life.

"Frisk, however, is mostly being controlled by the player and your actions influence who gets the most control out of the two of them"

WTF??.You are arguing that they are the same person but ALSO that they are separate people??What??

"The one thing that most people have the most trouble with when it comes to the Frisk is Chara theory is that Frisk has their own name. This I can also explain."

Not just that:

1.The narrator says that golden flowers must have broken their fall while there was no golden flowers when Chara fell.

2.Chara adress Frisk at the end of genocide run and ask their soul.Unless the red soul is ours,that contradict the theory that Frisk is Chara.

3.Flowey is adressing Chara at the end of TP and ask them to "let Frisk live their life"confirming that Chara and Frisk are separate people.Many people argue that he's rather talking to the player here but while in a meta sence this dialogue is meant to taken personally,in the game he prononce their name at the really end of his dialogue,confirming that he's talking to Chara.And unlike the common belief,Toby Fox never asked us to name Chara after oursleves,only if we "can't think of anything else"and that naming after our cat is as much valid