Talk:Chara/@comment-35274572-20180525000303/@comment-35700847-20180605214749

"Chara didn't talk to Frisk until the end of genocide because Frisk does exactly what they want them to do in genocide." AH HA! You just proved my point, "Frisk does exactly what they want want them to do in genocide." If that's what Chara wanted then that makes them EVIL, regardless of what route you choose, THAT is something that they will always want. Or are you going to tell me that I'm misunderstanding again? If so, then please, explain what it is that I've misunderstood."

We already agreed that Chara is evil in genocide, in genocide Chara doesn't do anything because in genocide that's what Chara wants. I said that's what Chara wants Frisk to do SPECIFICALLY in genocide. That doesn't apply to Pacifist at all, their realization only comes to them in genocide. Also if we're going by your idea that Chara is evil then why don't they try to steer Frisk in any type of evil direction in Pacifist?

"Flowey is making assumptions? How do you figure that, huh? What EVIDENCE is there to SUGGEST that Flowey's speech is just an assumption? Explain that. Oh, and Flowey was leading them to the Pacifist route? No he wasn't, he was lying to them so he could get what he wanted. Did his actions not make that clear for you?"

Glad you asked, now we can move a forward a little. We can tell Flowey's speech is an assumption because he has no proof Chara has done any type of reset but he still says they've probably heard his speech a hundred times(Which IS an assumption, you could play pacifist for the first time and he will still say this) and at the end of his speech he implies he says he will see them later(Which implies that a reset will happen and that he will see Chara again in the next run). Not only that but we know for a fact that Chara can't reset either and we agreed on that too, so that's an assumption. Just like how in the beginning of his speech he calls Chara a threat because he's basically trying to say that Chara will definitely reset. He only thinks that because he realized Chara was a bad person when he was Asriel, but in reality there's nothing to suggest Chara wants a reset or is planning on taking everyone's happiness away.

Also my point about Flowey is that he tries to steer you towards doing a Pacifist route, it's for his own benefit so that he can get the souls but he's still leading you towards that route. If we're going with the idea that Chara is evil then wouldn't Chara be more inclined to interfere at this point? That or wouldn't it make sense for them to want to jump in during the epilogue IF they were evil?