Thread:Mabian/@comment-4383275-20160827050912

Hello,

I come to you at the recommendation of Cheeseskates, who spoke highly of you as "one of the main intellectuals on this wiki." Below, I've included a summary of my current thoughts on the Sans=Ness theory, having unfollowed the forum thread due to its sophomoric redundancy. I'm not sure how much of it you've followed, but all the evidence that hasn't been disproven is below. Feel free to respond to this message if you wish to further this discussion or, if not, disregard.

Evidence for Sans Being Ness

Here is the remaining evidence for Sans being Ness that has not been disproven in the thread. All of this, of course, is not counting Sans' clothing, which I'll get to in a moment.
 * Badge
 * Courage being similar to Determination in its analysis and properties
 * Surface world of Undertale looks virtually identical to the world of Earthbound
 * Sans' attacks in the Genocide Run "drain" damage, the way it was "drained" in Earthbound
 * Sans bleeds and breathes ("blood" was hypothesized to be ketchup, but why would it come out of his mouth if Sans keeps it in his jacket pocket?)

 Attempted (and Invalidated) Counterpoints  ''' Ness the Revenant? '''
 * Bones are organic matter (only partially, but even so, Sans is made of dust like all monsters in Undertale)
 * Sans would not be recognizable as Ness (only due to his face, everything else checks out--see "Ness the Revenant?" section)
 * Ness and Sans have different personalities (Ness is an avatar rather than a fleshed-out character, so his thoughts are the player's thoughts)
 * The monsters were on the surface and know about the Sun (that was a century before the events of Undertale
 * Toby Fox debunked the theory (he said nothing specific, only mentioning that he is embarrassed by the attention his Halloween Hack has received)
 * It would make no sense for Toby Fox to make a sequel to a game he hates (it's happened before, and multiple times, at that)
 * Toby Fox would be sued if Sans were Ness, since Ness is owned by Nintendo (If it didn't happen with King Rammus, there's no reason it should happen here)

After we talked in the thread, I realized that it wouldn't make sense for Sans to have a human SOUL or for Ness to disguise himself as a skeleton. There was a much simpler, more logical solution: given Gaijin Goombah's video detailing Sans' status as a revenant, Ness could have become a revenant (i.e. Sans) after using the Phase Distorter and having his organic body disintegrated in the process. After all, unlike most revenants, Sans is made of inorganic "dust" and not organic skin and bone.

Here's what we know:

Fact: prior to the events of the Halloween Hack, Ness and his friends (all in robotic bodies) traveled to the past and defeated Giygas before becoming stuck in an alternate timeline. Note: henceforth, the original timeline will be called Timeline A and the alternate timeline will be called Timeline B.

Fact: The Halloween Hack takes place in Timeline A, where Ness is missing, while in Timeline B, Ness and the gang have been trapped.

Now, for some conjecture. Since Ness' place in Timeline B is before Timeline A and not directly parallel to it, an "alternate Ness" would be born in Timeline B and would mature to adulthood, having lived with his organic body for his entire life. My theory is that the grown-up Ness from Timeline B found the Phase Distorter from Timeline A, tried to use it, and became Sans in Timeline C (Undertale).

Evidence: Sans' shirt resembles an alternate costume of Ness' in the Super Smash Bros. games (see second from the left), his slippers resemble the ones Ness wore when he was in pajamas, and their stances and dimpled grins are notably similar.

Let me know what you think and if I should clarify anything.

All the best,

Oobooglunk (talk) 05:09, August 27, 2016 (UTC) 