Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-36453001-20190127183418/@comment-32182236-20190127193854

So.. You fail to provide evidence to any of your claims.

And in fact, I believe the majority of them are false.

1. They did, but according to Tape 4 of the True Lab, they knew they'd still be alive, within Asriel.

"And we'll do it together, right?"-Asriel

2. Okay, I'm not disputing this one. They never blamed themselves for anything, after all.

3. This is true as well, when we take the Charrator theory into account.

4. They can only do this at the end of the Genocide Run. The power from all that EXP and LV was enough to do this.

5. Frisk is PLAYER.

Chara asks for "your SOUL" in the SOUL exchange, but Frisk's SOUL is given away as a result of it, so that Chara may possess Frisk in a Soulless Pacifist. Clearly, Chara was talking to Frisk. Yet, it is YOU who gets jumpscared for refusing to destroy the world earlier, and Chara blames Frisk for what happened (We know it was Frisk because we figured out the SOUL exchange, which was linked to that, was also with Frisk) Therefore, "you", which we know to be PLAYER, and Frisk must canonically be one and the same. So Frisk=Player.

6. No, Frisk was the protagonist alright.

7. Yes, this one is true. But since PLAYER=Frisk, this is a result of Frisk's abilities. (Which are also ours.) Think about the Zelda games, you get a sword because you made Link collect it. The relationship between Frisk (playable character) and you (player) are the same as in any other game. (Besides OneShot)

8. Okay.. what? I don't get what you're trying to say here. Who is the "patient"?

9. What "other things"? Are you talking about the Neutral Endings? They're what can lead up to the Pacifist Ending, and Flowey references what you did there at the start of the Pacifist Run.

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Yes, Chara only gains physical form at the end of the Genocide Route. But do you not understand what SAVE means? SAVE, in the context of Undertale, is to make good again. You SAVE the Lost Souls by reminding them of who they were, and you SAVE Asriel by finally getting him to stop his fighting, and possibly reunite with Chara..

In the Genocide Route, Chara's pure evil, and this even stays in subsequent Pacifist Runs. We are not "SAVING" Chara at all!