Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20190403163405/@comment-26006155-20190422122432

--- Reply to Ambassador Chapter 6: https://undertale.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:162205#127

The bandage Frisk starts the game with has the flavor text “it has already been used many times”. This is true even on the very first run of Undertale.

There are benefits to wearing the bandage, like being able to flee from combat on the first turn. And if you never take it off, Sans even asks you “well… just calling to ask. Did you ever take off that gross bandage..?”

So the bandage, and Frisk, have a history from before Undertale begins. One that Sans is somewhat interested in. - I went into detail about why Narrator Chara and The Player are linked in earlier chapters. The Narrator knows only what we know, and our disposition determines their disposition.

Flowey, realizing that Frisk isn’t Chara, calls Us, The Player, “Chara” at the very end of his dialogue once we restart the game after  True Pacifist run. -- If Gaster is such a powerful creature who wants The Protagonist dead (whether he believes we are Chara or Past Sans), why doesn’t he attack Frisk directly? Why be so mean in the elevator and send Hyperdeath Asriel and Muffet at us, when he literally had the chance to fight us in the Mystery Man encounter, and choose to flee once he woke up instead?

Gaster is playing the role of a mastermind who wants to undermine The Protagonist indirectly. Why would he choose this route, if he could just take out Frisk/Chara on his own?

Gaster doesn’t think fighting Frisk/Chara himself is a good idea. WHY? -- When we type in Our Character’s name, we THINK we’re naming the character we’re going to play. We DON’T KNOW that we’re actually naming Chara yet. So we accidentally give Chara our own name, and make OURSELVES “The Fallen Human”.

For the story, this nuance is very important. - I didn’t know that the “key room” at the beginning doesn’t appear in the demo. I should watch the demo at some point. --- B-Because outside the Ruins door is when Frisk meets Sans for the first time. A-Why can’t it just be that the tutorial is over, and the real game starts here?

… you’re not curious why Undertale’s story appears to have two starting points, that (if my theories are correct) both indicate when a version of Frisk enters the game, and both of which seem tied to the ending of the game?

In a game full of symbolism, the Beginning and End are pretty important things. -- B-While he’s officially on duty to watch for humans, recognized Frisk as one immediately, and ahs standing orders from King Asgore to harvest the soul of any human that arrives to ensure the freedom of all of monsterkind… Sans decides to help Frisk rather than turn him. A-We later learn the reason why. Go out with him to MTT again, Ferret. (Or just watch a video.)

Such impatience! And such *confidence*! Where do you get it all?

I make of point of debunking Sans’ statement that the only reason he didn’t kill Frisk on sight was because of a promise he made to a woman he didn’t know that was good at telling Knock Knock jokes later in the script. That statement has so many holes that the mouse could get cheese out of it.

Please allow me to do my setup. Assuming the answer for something is already known is the fastest way to not find it. -- --In regards to how Sans knew what shape to make The Conveniently Shaped Lamp. A-Sans was doing research on the timeline, on the anomaly.. Frisk. He could have learned that way.

You’re assuming here that Frisk is the Anomaly. Are you sure it isn’t Chara? Sans says “That’s you, isn’t it?” while fighting Chara-possessed Frisk.

I make the point later that Frisk is a Past Version of Sans. Frisk wouldn’t even *exit* in this universe until Sans traveled to the World of Undertale.

So Chara is the best candidate for The Anomaly. And Sans wasn’t sure about that until his fight with her. So Sans didn’t know what Frisk would look like, just by remotely detecting a vague anomaly in a distant world. Only that something there was wrong. -- A-How does the unique design (of the convient lamp) point to Sans?

--The lamp is unique, and unlike any others we see throughout the game. --The silhouette of the Convient Lamp is an EXACT pixel-perfect match to Frisk. The chances of this being a coincidence are astronomical. --The lamp itself is non-functional. It’s sitting out in the middle of a field, unplugged. Someone placed it there for a reason, and it wasn’t to generate light. --Sans knew the lamp was convenient BEFORE Frisk tried to hide behind it. --If Sans was truly lazy, he could have used a box or snowman to hide Frisk with far less effort. --Papyrus doesn’t know what humans look like (or so he says), so Papyrus didn’t design the lamp. --Sans must have designed the lamp there, and placed it there, with pre-knowledge of Frisk’s arrival. -- Why is Frisk’s fate entwined with Sans and Papyrus?

They knew Frisk was coming, and perhaps that he was the one person who could save the Underground. If he didn’t turn corrupt. Everything they’ve been doing centers around him.

B-It takes Chara all of her epic gear and LVL 19 power just to have a ghost of a chance at defeating Sans. A-Wrong. You can beat Sans with a stick and a bandage. And it’s equally as difficult.

You think it’s as easy to beat Sans with a top HP of 20, vs 80+? Or having the frying pan equipped that increasing your item healing?

Perhaps I shouldn’t have mentioned the gear. But you still need the high HP for the fight. -- Now that I think about it, Alphys only upgraded Frisk’s phone, she didn’t actually replace it.

So the keychain on it was totally the original keychain on the phone Toriel gave Frisk.

Which had Sans’ key on it from the beginning. --- Actually it would be interesting to see if Frisk could open San’s Lab on a second playthrough after doing a True Pacifist run and learning about the key.

I have to wonder, though. The game made The Keychain and that fact that the key to Sans’ room was already on it important parts of the lore. If it wasn’t important.. Why not just have Sans give you the key when he deems you’re worthy of it? --- B-The big question is.. Who called Toriel to join the others at the end of the game on a Pacifist run? A-Nobody. She came on her own because she was worried. The extra time from the True Lab must have been enough.

Alphys makes a point of mentioning that Papyrus called everyone there “Except her”. And since Sans had been texting Toriel for some time, I take it he’s one that contacted her.

Now, Papyrus says he summoned everyone because Flowey told him to. Which implied that Flowey -didn’t- tell him to do that on other runs.

Remember that Toriel isn’t he only one who shows up at the True Pacifist ending.. Everyone else does too. Is it really just circumstance that Frisk’s entirely case of friends only join him at the end of one particular ending? --- A-Toriel was just starting to learn to text after the True Pacifist Ending. I’d say Alphys upgraded her phone while Frisk was asleep.

Then how did Toriel know about Papyrus? --When he first shows up, Toriel recognized Sans as The Voice Behind The Door. --But Toriel doesn’t immediately know Sans’ name. She just recognizes his voice. --When Sans drops his name, a light bulb goes off over Toriel’s head, and she immediately turns to Papyrus and seems to know everything about him!

--Toriel has been talking to Sans for a long time, she said she was glad to *finally* meet Papyrus. --And Sans did not drop Papyrus’ name, Toriel already knew it. --Toriel and Sans have been talking for a long time. But Toriel only know “Sans” by the name. --If Toriel had actually heard Sans talk at any point in their conversations, she would have instantly connected him to The Voice Behind The Door. But this only happened at the end. --Toriel also didn’t recognize Sans by sight. Just by voice.

So.. Toriel and Sans have been talking in a non-verbal, non-visual way for some time now. Can you explain how they were doing this.. If they weren’t Texting?

Alphys upgraded Toriel’s phone a long time ago, during one of Toriel’s visits to her lab. -- Why would The Silver Key Machine be the machine Gaster was using the observe the timelines?

Gaster detected The Anomaly from his own world, and traveled to a different world to investigate it.

The Silver Key Machine is much more likely to be a vehicle that the machine used to sense the Anomaly. -- A-He (Sans) reads Frisk’s face to see how many times they died. He doesn’t just remember the timelines.

So why doesn’t Asgore do that, too? Frisk had to tell Asgore how many times they had fought. But Sans is the one who tells Frisk how many times they had found.

How does someone read that they’ve fought 7 times before.. Through a facial expression? But Sans’ count is never wrong. ---