Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31981697-20170722123329/@comment-32182236-20170801161414

I was trying to reply to them, by giving them more of what my case was, just as you explained your case to them. That perhaps they could have taken what you said and combined it with what I said, to understand both sides. There's a reason why I said the whole debate was about Undyne seeing other humans, I was trying to bring them into where we are now in a natural way, so they could understand it as we do. They wanted to know what the debate was about, so why not answer in an accurate way? I've just edited it though and say that my way of explaining the SOULS was also quite complex, leading into your case on it, just to make it a bit more neutral. I did it while working on this very response.

I do have an actual response to you directly, directly below that one, that also explains a lot of these concepts. But, now that you understand what I'm saying more, and have actual responses, I guess we'll turn this into a discussion between the two of us. They can read both of our original posts and understand it too-The original meaning is not lost.

My case is they all have DT, but they DON'T all have the power. Also, Flowey was given this DT FROM the humans, to recreate what it did. Flowey actually HAS the power, from having the most DT.

The idea is that if it took you, Frisk, to show Undyne what human's power for determination really is, you must be able to show it in a way no other human has. And having the ability to SAVE and LOAD is a perfect way to do this. Frisk's determination is VASTLY more than that of the others. Why? Because determination is Frisk's trait.

Sans and Papyrus are skeletons. Skeletons don't appear to age much. They could have just appeared 10 years ago, or been around since shortly after Toriel left to the Ruins. Also, Asgore was the king for the ENTIRE time monsters were trapped underground. We can actually see Asgore in the war itself! And this isn't just Boss Monsters aging far less than regular monsters:Gerson too was around during the war. So all those centuries monsters were underground, a generation was able to live. 100 years isn't really that much for a monster's lifespan!

Except there IS physics. Even magic and determination itself has physics in Undertale, and can be experimented on, and extracted from SOULS.

Frisk doesn't "disobey" you, they do things automatically that match your character. (I could also say Chara is doing it, but then things get quite messy, and I'd have to explain the cutscenes in the Pacifist Ending, why Chara changes depending on what you do..) For example, if you're a lover of killing everything and everyone (Genocide), why waste your time on a puzzle? Of COURSE we're skipping Papyrus' puzzles!

There's no reason for that statement to mean that every human fought Asgore. It just means that no human fought Asgore and also won. If none of the humans made it to Asgore, then none of the humans made it past him either.

Anyways, below the response you replied to is a response to your post.