Talk:Chara/@comment-4015220-20180507015717/@comment-32182236-20180508224841

@Anominoe:You DO know that Frisk is the player, right? Of course Genocide Frisk is different than Pacifist Frisk, because Genocide PLAYER is different than Pacifist PLAYER. They're the same thing! So saying Frisk's personalities are different depending on the player is a lot different than saying this applies to Chara:Frisk actually IS the player. Chara isn't. The killings are Frisk's fault, because they're OUR fault. We ARE Frisk. We HAVE changed.

@Halibee:Frisk is the player.. We did the killings, and so did Frisk. Also, while Chara is evil, the fact that LOVE gave them power is not evidence for this. Also, there's evidence that Chara was with us as early as the Ruins. So, technically, killing isn't even why they were brought back to life! It just gave them more power, enough to fully manifest themselves! Together, you two eradicated the enemy and became strong! There's plenty of evidence that they're evil, but their origins is not one of them. Remember, cooperation, not corruption.

Also, there IS reason to believe the two Charas are different, but it's not for the same reason that Anonimoe has used a false analogy for to try and demonstrate. The REAL reason why it's plausible they may have been different (though I don't think past Chara is necessarily good either) is through a DIFFERENT anology!

When Asriel and Chara died, their SOUL shattered. We do not see Chara's SOUL anywhere throught the game, because it shattered, the same way our SOUL would. We brought Chara back through determination (and gave them power through kills) But.. We never gave them a SOUL. They demand our SOUL, despite the fact that humans cannot absorb other human SOULs. Because Chara's not a human anymore. They're more like Flowey-A being with no SOUL-In Chara's case, a ghost, or, as they call themselves, a demon. Chara even alludes to this in thier second speech:"I cannot understand these feelings anymore"... As if they once could.

Now, I'm not going to do what you might think I'm about to do, what you're REALLY hoping I don't do.. So this should bring you some relief.. I do NOT think of Chara as just as innocent and tragic/misunderstood as Flowey. They're not "Flowey 2.0-Now with more fluff!" Flowey tried to be good, and eventually devolved into the evil flower we know.. Chara, however, seems to just be evil from the start-They don't even try to be good! So.. We can't just put a goat/flower face on them and say they're to be loved. The fact that they're SOULless is no excuse now.. Their name is not cleared.