Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-37345491-20190406164451/@comment-37602899-20200122163440

Bengo97 wrote: My personal take: I'm gonna ignore both the fangirl and Megalovania argument, the first one is kinda dumb and I find both sides equally annoying anyway (although the sans shipping can get kinda gross), the second one is up to personal taste. I love Megalovania, but it's not my favorite track either. The rest: Asgore+souls as endboss would be a boring one hit kill, like all other bosses in genocide. At this point their hp don't help monsters at all since you can slice through pretty much everything, the only exceptions being Sans and Undyne, Sans because he dodges making hp irrelevant and Undyne because she's basically turning into an amalgamate. If you want an alternative end boss to Sans, Mettaton in his invulnerable form would be an option, or fucking Nabstablook, but Asgore is fairly weak, and I doubt souls would change that much. Flowey has a higher level than him and he would be one shotted with souls by genocide you. Now for character development, Sans doesn't really have much in Genocide, but he does have some in the neutral pacifist and pacifist route where he regains hope, like Alphys gets over his depression and gets active again, along with the others protecting you in true pacifist and working on getting monsters to the surface in neutral. Whether his newfound faith is justified is debatable since I'm guessing most players won't quit after their first pacifist run, he just chooses to believe in the good in you. Maybe Papyrus rubbed off on him. It's not world changing anyway, but none of the characters except for Flowey have any development, and even that's mostly because he got a soul, even if just temporarily. I would say even Asgore doesn't change, he only gives up on murdering kids when you've already defeated him and he doesn't have a choice either way. The rest of them just stops actively fucking with you because they see you're nice, but would treat the next human the same as you in the beginning. I really hope Papyrus never changes though, he's probably my favorite character. I'm gonna give Alphys some credit both in Pacifist and Genocide. Really hate her in neutral. At least the other characters have some kind of rational motivation for hurting you, plus they're honest about their intentions, while Alphys manipulates you and risks getting you killed for completely selfish reasons. But I guess you have to suck first if you want to improve as a character. Still don't like her, she probably has the worst personality at the beginning of the game, and that's including a child murderer. You could take almost all characters out of the game except for Asgore, Alphys, Flowey and Chara. You need Asgore to get 6 human souls, Alphys to create Flowey (she could technically be dead before the story begins and it wouldn't change anything) and Flowey to absorb the souls. This only happens in pacifist because otherwise monsters don't wanna come cheer you on, and you don't even need all of them. Chara finally „saves“ Asriel. For Genocide you technically need no one, not even Chara. They will commit Genocide for you if you don't want to, but you don't need them to do it yourself. You do however need them to recreate the world. People like characters like jevil and ghaster because you don't know anything about them and people love theorizing. Let them have their fun. Sans isn't even that mysterious, I think he is popular because of the surprise factor. In pacifist he's just some dumb fat skeleton that makes bad jokes and is too lazy to do much else. In the judgement hall he can get a bit of an asshole for someone who seemingly takes nothing seriously, but still, he doesn't do anything about it. And then in the end of genocide, he not only completely kicks your ass with his ridiculously low stats (but that's cause he's cheating), but he also seems to know everything about you. He along with Flowey is the only one who knows about resets, he is or was doing research on it and has been watching you the entire time. The pranking and the food were just a feeble attempt to make you comfortable so you'll be „happy“ and have less reason to fuck with all of them, and he didn't do anything about you or anything else not because he was lazy, but because he couldn't. You were just gonna reset until you got what you wanted anyway. He even admits you're not evil, but curious. When I first fought him it felt like he was talking to me, the player, not Frisk/Chara. It felt like I was a god invading their world and he knew it. Plus he was right about the whole not caring about the surface anymore thing. At that point I had done a pacifist run and then sent everyone back underground without any memory of it. He just knows a lot more than he should, he can call you out for hacking and is apparently one of the only ones Flowey with his reset abilities considers a threat, so you're not the first anomaly he's dealt with. Though I gotta say he's not doing too good of a job with you. Not sure about Sans' general strength, because well, he's almost as bad of a cheater as Flowey. Effectively his hp isn't 1 but 23 times of how much damage his enemy can do in one turn. When Fighting a jerry that would be useless, when fighting someone like genocide you that means he can take around 23 million damage points. The „attack is 1“ thing is bullshit too. without Karma he does 30 damage per second and his attacks last around 5-10 seconds, other monsters can't dodge, that's a good amount. He could probably take on most monsters except for Undyne, who would obliterate him in her Undying form, all invulnerable monsters (seriously, Nabstablook as Sans fight replacement would have been the coolest thing ever) and maybe photoshop flowey. Not sure there since Flowey continuously hits you even while your attacking, so Sans would probably only get like 11 attacks in. On the other hand Flowey has probably gained a healthy amount of Karma, though I wouldn't put it past Sans to just poisoning you and calling it karmic retribution to fuck with you. Dirty cheater. I'm fairly certain that Sans doesn't remember resets, maybe just some deja vu feeling like Papyrus, Toriel and Asgore. Mostly he's just good at reading people. When it comes to his relationship with Ghaster, don't know don't care. I might start caring if Toby Fox does something cool with Ghaster in Deltarune. For me Sans is probably battling Burgerpants for 3rd place of best characters. I love Burgerpants, he's genuinely hilarious. First place for me would be Papyrus, because he just so fucking nice it hurts and he's not as dumb as people make him out to be, second place would go to Flowey/Asriel. He and his actions/reaction to being soulless are just really fascinating to me, and similar to Sans it just feels like he's talking to me, not Frisk. Well sort of Chara. That makes characters just so much more iconic Flowey has 815 hp. Last time I checked Asgore had more hp than 815.