Thread:Seralyna/@comment-5956954-20180510094348/@comment-5956954-20180618012912

Ombrophilia wrote:

i'm celene talbain and i reached out to toby to ask him to change my name in the kickstarter credits, since i realized between the initial release of undertale and the PS4 release that i am a trans woman. I see. Also, you have created a wiki account for this comment, so is there a way for you to verify that you are indeed the same Celene like the one on Twitter? It's to prove you're the real person. Ombrophilia wrote:

i won't speak for chess because i can't, but "celene talbain" isn't a nickname (and also, please don't refer to trans people's names as nicknames). My mistake, though it is not a good idea to use your real name in the online world if you are going to associate personal attributes to it. That is kept to yourself, your employer, etc. Ombrophilia wrote:

please remove my deadname from this wiki. it runs the risk of doing actual harm to me both psychologically and professionally, as my deadname and my actual name are not and should not be associated like this. The only issue I can see in referring to your deadname and present name is people will misgender you as the names look masculine and feminine respectively (otherwise, pronouns are not used in the dotpoint to create further confusion). In this case, it's somewhat understandable since it does serve as an incentive to hatred (again, if the Streisand Effect takes place).

Other than misgendering, I see no other actual possible harm that could happen to you psychologically or professionally, especially if it is only stating a simple fact: your name was changed to this (nothing like "coming out" is mentioned). It does not misgender or is overemphasised, only serving on the page for historical context and completion that does nothing but educate.

What would be the psychological and professional harms you know will happen? Ombrophilia wrote:

i think that just saying something along the lines of "two kickstarter backers' names were changed in the credits" would be enough to get the point across. thank you! The dotpoint is either there and is complete with relevant information or it is removed (disrupting the point of a changelog). The wiki cannot have a dotpoint that is incomplete. People will look for information that confirms the names were changed and, therefore, verify the "changelog" trivia. If the dotpoint cannot be verified, then it may be disputed it is a fact.

I am thinking of three options right now
 * 1) The page mentions why the name has changed in an effort to prevent "bigot" comments I guess. For example, your tweet about the change will tell people that you are now this person because you transitioned and, therefore, should be referred to this now on. This may go against your wishes.
 * 2) If it exists (the Undertale update changelog does not officially state many changes), seek out Toby Fox or an official source stating the names were changed. This is to verify that the names were indeed changed, and if the actual names are not mentioned, then they are not needed to verify the dotpoint is true. This is the best way to resolve this issue.
 * 3) Delete the entire dotpoint. This is the last resort as it jeopardises the point of a changelog, which is to list every change for educational purposes. The wiki is not responsible for the choices one makes that may jeopardise them for the future. It is simply stating the facts in an unbiased way. This may go against your wishes.

Let me know of other options or if you agree with one of them.