Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20200107155350/@comment-26907577-20200219140648

Deep breaths.

The key was not there at the start of the conversation.

Oops, need to breathe more.

Paragraph-by-paragraph:

I guess the “you felt something on your keychain” would imply that Sans had either warped the key there, or tugged on it with telekinesis.

I believe it implies that Sans either warped the key there across space, or paused time to manipulate Frisk's keychain.

I mean, it's the same thing, right?

Interestingly, we don’t feel the key appear on the 3rd rewind, we just look at the keychain, and there it is.

But that does not mean the key was there all along! Maybe Sans only tugged on reload 4 for some reason!

Maybe he was clumsier on reload 4, because he was thinking about Frisk being a time traveller!

There are a kajillion explanations other than "the key was on before he started talking".

Did Sans teleport it there? Or was the key always there?

Given: Therefore:
 * 1) Sans does not hand or throw us the key in the traditional sense.
 * 2) Sans can manipulate some aspect of spacetime, either teleportation or time-pausing. (Shortcuts.)
 * 3) The key was not on before the conversation started, unless you can disprove the theory above.
 * Sans teleported the key, or manipulated time to produce a similar result.

I guess I’m on the fence.

That's ridiculous. You're acting like a brick wall.

Ambassador and I construct a proof- a PROOF- and rather than find holes or admit its strength, you ignore it.

It does seem amazing, though, that Sans is able to crank call Frisk right after when he meets Papyrus. Almost line he already knew the phone number of the phone Toriel handed to Frisk.

Two Three things on this:
 * 1) I never said I was disproving the "Sans-knows-this-phone" part. I was disproving the "Sans-planted-a-key-to-his-room-on-this-phone" part.
 * 2) Even if we later debunk this evidence, you can go on believing Sans had seen the phone. It just becomes an assumption rather than a conclusion, which, given your current Assumption TallyTM, seems like a fair deal to me.
 * 3) It's a r a n d o m c a l l! Papyrus got our number by dialing all of the numbers; If Sans prank-calls 10 people (guess), and the odds of the event are 5/100 (1/20 or 5%, fact), then... I'll calculate that later. But it makes sense to be just random!

Here’s something I’m curious about: Is the Fun Value of a run always the same when a person starts the game for the very first time? Or is it always random unless edited?

The second one.