Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20190820122909/@comment-32182236-20190825153802

Look, we see Chara arrive in the Underground wearing a striped tshirt. A very modern outfit.

Look at their sprite. Look very closely.

Those sleeves are clearly long. So that's no T-shirt.

Toriel recorded her pun-filled pitch about having a kid with Asgore at a time where she was holding a modern video recorder.

What did I tell you about that? They're royalty. I think they'd have access to Gaster's technology of the time.

We have no evidence that Gaster didn't exist prior to 201X-Just that he DIED in 201X. And the evidence points to him being around long before Chara fell-Otherwise, he wouldn't have been able to build the blueprints to the DT extraction machine, and flat-out make the CORE. This was before the monsters suddenly lost their age-old fear of humans, and made the migration to New Home, because Home has one child bed in it, for Asriel.

Exactly. But it couldn't have came from humans, because Chara was the first one. So where could it have came from?

Asriel was born before the migration to New Home, and Toriel had a video recorder before Asriel arrived.

Which couldn't have came from Chara. And as it was before the migration, it couldn't have come from Waterfall either. So, I ask again, where did it come from?

But Chara arrived after the migration to New Home, because although Asriel found her in the Ruins, nobody ever made a bed for her there. Instead, they made a bed for her in New Home, which had already been established as the new capital by the time Chara arrived. It was a couple hours walk at the worst.

Yes. So something else lead to the lack of fear of humans. I reason it was after further study of the Barrier. Once the exact calculations of what you need to cross the Barrier was pinpointed. Originally, it was only known you needed a strong SOUL. Humans have strong SOULS. But Gaster's research lead to the exact requirement being calculated. You need a human SOUL.. And a monster SOUL. The humans couldn't leave. That's why they didn't climb.

Chara arrived after the captial switch, and also after the establishment of the Core, which was designed as part of the New Home complex. Gaster made the Core, Gaster must have arrived in the Underground before Chara.

Exactly. And he died before Chara died.

Inspite of Gaster's massive infusion of Other World Technology, the ripple effects of this massive overhaul in monster society are only just now beginning to spread to places like Snowdin at the time Frisk arrives. Which means Frisk could not have arrived too long after Gaster.

Okay, let me make this clear once again.

The monsters don't know how Gaster's technology worked. That's why Alphys is following his footsteps, rather than actually just using what Gaster has. Give the people from the 1600s a computer, and they still won't be able to reverse-engineer it, because it's too far ahead of them technologically to even do that. So the computer you gave them would be the only one in existence. It'd be something that you would be considered a genius for inventing.

Now assume that they forgot about you, and all that remains was that computer.

It's there. It functions. And literally nobody knows how it works.

This is the situation the monsters find themselves in today. That's why the ripple effect hasn't happened. The monsters can't make more of what Gaster built. So all that exists is the CORE. Which even Alphys doesn't know the mechanics of. She tries to explain it, but fails.

"That's the CORE. The source of all power for the underground. It converts geothermal energy into magical electricity, by... Uhh, anyway, that's where we're going to go."-Alphys

Nobody knows how the CORE works. His technology is so advanced that we can't reverse-engineer it. If we could, Sans would have been able to repair that machine. But he can't.

So the same would be true for the rest of his technology.

This is why his technology never spread. It can't be recreated. Just like if a gave a single computer to someone in the 1600s, that technology would also never spread, because nobody could make more.

Also, in the garbage dump and during Alphy's date, we get to see human garbage, actual artifacts from the surface world, and it all looks modern, not futuristic.

Of course they're modern! I do think Undertale happens in the modern day!

2300AF is not the same as 2300AD. 2300AF is around the present-day. 201X AF is somewhere in the 1700s AD. So, do the math, and find out what 201X AD would be in AF.

Everything I see suggests that the present state of Undertale's surface human society is a close reflection to our own world. That through the example of Undertale, we're supposed to learn things that apply to our own experiences. I see no logical way that Chara's arrival could be centuries in the past, or Frisk's arrival centuries in the future. The two characters are clearly linked in some way. Most likely by meeting each other in the Alpha Timeline. Although Frisk was probably calling himself Sans at the time.