Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-27524978-20160210030742/@comment-4383275-20160731044811

Tabbender wrote: If Sans is a revenant wouldn't he be immaterial tho ? And how would he even have been bought back to life ? With a body extremely weakened, to add.

Revenants do have material bodies, and don't always require an external force to be brought back to life. Moreover, Sans isn't technically weakened at all, since he can dodge attacks and dish out some powerful ones of his own, all without PSI, while Ness without PSI was little more than a kid with a baseball bat and a yo-yo.

H.N. H.N. Elly wrote:

What badge, the "some kind of'" one with no specific, distinctive traits pointing at the Earthbound? What shorts, the ones with (no) stripes on them? What glowing eye, the one that is specifically flashing with the exact shades of blue and yellow at the same framerate when the character turns a little way too serious in a non-canon work? What stance, the one that is shown both on palettes and on the video thumbnail, with arms not hidden in pockets by default?

While I'd be happy to try my hand at disproving your counterpoints, just for fun, let's say you're right and there is no aesthetic connection between Sans and Ness. That still leaves us with the following evidence:


 * Courage is similar to Determination in name and properties


 * Undertale's surface world looks identical to the world of Earthbound


 * Sans bleeds, breathes, and sweats


 * Sans' attacks in the Genocide Run "drain" damage, the way it was "drained" in Earthbound


 * Ness is not present in the Earthbound Halloween Hack, being stuck in an unseen alternate timeline: Undertale (only holds up if >2 other points do)

PSI Seven wrote: What I wonder is, why did Ness use the Phase Distorter? Ness and co. first used it (spoilers ahead) to go to the past and fight Giygas. In the Halloween Hack, they are presumed to be dead. But that's because they were stuck in an alternative timeline that they created when they defeated Giygas.

Two possibilities:

1. Sans is another version of Ness from the alternate timeline mentioned in the Halloween Hack who found the Phase Distorter and tried to use it, only to end up in the underground as Sans. This would explain Sans' aforementioned "alternate Ness" clothing.

2. What happened in the "alternate timeline" Ness and the gang end up in is largely ambiguous. They could have regained their human forms and acquired another Phase Distorter, but that wouldn't explain why Ness' friends didn't travel into the underground with him, not to mention the fact that this theory requires an unsavory amount of assumptions.