Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-34798955-20180310144518/@comment-32182236-20180316125726

"How does Chara know the player?"

They don't. That speech was to Frisk. The player doesn't exist as their own entity within Undertale canon.

"I think it might be determination. Sans doesn't have a determined soul (I actually consider his soul patience), and Chara and Flowey have determination."

I asked how FLOWEY knows. Not Chara. Since you argue FLOWEY was speaking to the player, rather than just Chara. Also, in terms of determination, Flowey has BEEN the "player" at one point, but we're talking about two different definitions of the same thing. How does Flowey know that WE exist, and that Frisk isn't the one in control? And yet, Sans still thinking the anomaly is Frisk? (Of course, I argue the anomaly actually IS Frisk.. Or possibly Flowey.)

"They don't feel anything except horrible emotions, like anger and stuff."

Anger, fear.. Actually boredom and curiosity as well.

"I'm not even sure what happened to their soul. Think about it: Asriel absorbed their soul, and then his soul shattered. I don't think their soul broke, but disappeared. Like Gaster. But it wasn't completely gone."

The SOULs were combined into one, as Asriel describes at the end of the Pacifist Route. Hence, the combined, new SOUL, was shattered. That included both the elements from Chara's SOUL, and that of Asriel's SOUL.

"Okay. I think they gain malice, or just 'evilness', during the course of the genocide run. But it is shown that soulless creatures can gain emotions. When Flowey is telling you his story on the Genocide run, he starts to feel afraid. That is an emotion he hasn't felt before obviously, since he seems confused on why he is shaking."

That's because he had no reason to be afraid before then. First he felt sadness, then curious, then liberated. Ot's only until he comes to the realization that we, Frisk, would kill him too, that he truly has a reason to fear. He had the emotion the whole time, he just never experienced it.

"We push Z to make it happen. We make Chara do it. Chara doesn't kill Asriel on their own."

No, we push Z to advance the cutscene. Here, look at this post. http://nochocolate.tumblr.com/post/145625412741/chara-kills-flowey-without-your-permission

"If Flowey can turn into Asriel and feel emotions, who is to say Chara can't get emotions once they are at peace?"

Asriel only did that because he had absorbed six human SOULs, and the SOULs of nearly all the monsters. He finally had a SOUL again, and thus, he could feel. The same is the case for Omega Flowey, though, he still decided to try to kill us in that case. So the readon why Asriel could frel again is because he wasn't SOULlless. He absorbed SOULs. Chara didn't absorb any SOULs, except for Frisk after the SOUL deal. Hence, they are still SOULless, and don't gain compassion or love at all. SAVing Chara, at least right now, is simply impossible. Just like Asriel, and yourself (if you went Genocide)