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"Flowey is convinced that FRISK is Chara.

And Flowey is aware that the narrator is separate from Frisk."

How does he even know that the narrator is watching in first place??Isnt Frisk the only one who can hear them because otherwise this line during Toriel's battle "You thought about telling her that you saw her die"should bother a certain goat. Plus Flowey says that there's few " sickos who watch instead of doing it themselves "not just one:

"At least we're better than those sickos that stand around and WATCH it happen... Those pathetic people that want to see it, but are too weak to do it themselves. I bet someone like that's watching right now, aren't they...?"

If there's few "sickos"not just one ,then its unlikely that he talk about Chara.And fron meta perspective,its clearly a refrence to people who watch lets plays of no mercy run instead of doing it themselves,in this case the line "i someone likr that is watching right now"is surely a reference to the player.

"As for the entity that Alphys researched.. If you look at the analysis more thoroughly, it makes more sense for Alphys to have been researching the multiverse theory itself, rather than our existence."

Nope,she says that she made research about the "unknowable"

"CORRECT. DR. ALPHYS HAS A CRUSH ON... THE UNKNOWABLE. YOU SEE, ALPHYS BELIEVES THERE IS SOMEONE OUT THERE. SOMEONE WATCHING HER. SOMEONE SHE THINKS IS "CUTE" AND "INTERESTING." HELLO, THEORETICAL PERSON. DR. ALPHYS LIKES YOU. TOO BAD YOU ARE NOT REAL"

[Alphys] H-hey, I've done research about this! There are alternate universes out there! S-someday, maybe, I could meet them..."

She made research "about it",about what mettaton said previosly

. " It needs not be constanly watching. This scene only happened once, with three puns happening consecutively. And Papyrus had already prepared lots of puzzles at the time, with a new multi-colored tile puzzle. It was pretty clear that Papyrus was going to do something with them.

Then came the bits about Papyrus yelling at Sans for being lazy. Thus begins the comedy act...

So no. They don't have to constantly be following Sans and Papyrus to watch them, nor do they need to be constantly watching them. Of course, it could also be that Sans was simply glancing off to the side. That would be his right.."

That still rather weird that he specifically face the forth wzll,especially that theres no evidences that theres any audience specifically at this place,plus i doubt that they would be able to hear sans's puns at all.

"And I'm not sure about the other times you cited, but Frisk definitely doesn't just look at the screen automatically when watching the tapes. They actually watch the tapes:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da0H0LUEaUQ"

Another one happens with Onionsan when ask if her band will become popular,if your answer is "no"Frisk directly face the player.

"Hidden messages existed on the website long before the release of Deltarune's demo. One that is a direct quote from Entry 17, and another that gives the prophecy of the Delta Rune from Deltarune."

Its unknown if entry 17 is in any way related to dark world,its more likley that it related with world destruction thing that turn the world into a "dark abyss"as in no mercy end.Furthmore,Gaster is dead in Undertale,he has shatted across time space into small fragments,so its unlikely that hes present in deltarune as i doubt that he is p

"Combining that with the somewhat antique gun that exists as the Steam Badge for the Empty Gun, and the gun we see in Photoshop Flowey's fight, placing the Justice human in the past, Chara must also be in the past."

As said by the intro,Chara climbed the mountain in the year 201X so idk what you mean.

"Frisk hasn't actually disobeyed our actions. You might try to cite Chara's "what, you didn't do that" when it comes to laughing at Snowdrake's mother, but the narration mentions Frisk crying.. Which isn't a part of the command of "laugh". So it's more likely that Chara is surprised that no, tears didn't run down Frisk's face. We never selected "Cry", so Frisk didn't cry."

Did i ever mention Snowy mom fight??Nope.Here what i meant:

"You couldn't think of any conversation topics.([TALK]during Toriel battle)

"But there was nothing to say"([Talk]during Asgore fight)

"Which doesn't make sense unless Flowey was also the player at one point. So Frisk isn't special after all. Whoever has the most determination is the "player". Which doesn't make sense if players and characters are fundamentally different."

I did not say that characters cant hack the game,Frisk maybe can too.I just used this as a proof that undertale world indeed work like a game.

"Also, there's still my argument that Flowey, in fact, was NOT hacking. He couldn't have been. If he did.. He could have used it in other ways too. Like preventing us from killing him. Or maybe just editing the save file to undo the times we freed the SOULs by calling out to them, rather than our progress with the SOULs getting saved even when we die."

The only time he hack the game is when he has god like powers,so i guess that's required to hack it,i mean if you are an ingame character

"But how did he know that it was an ending at all?"

Heck even in neutral/pacifist runs Flowey call pacifist end a "an ending"several times,even Paps do as such as i remember so what does that suprise you?

"The game that Mettaton describes as a game where you make strange allies."

Is there any confurmation that this game is the one in anoying dog room?

"Is the intro glitching up canon? If it were, that means the intro CAN be glitched up in the first place.. By the characters within it. This would essentially make Undertale a virtual reality, in which the characters, if smart enough, could hack from the inside.

Why hasn't Flowey exploited this in his time as a flower BEFORE Frisk showed up?

He tried doing everything he could.. EXCEPT for hacking. He never succeeded in getting Asgore to show Flowey the SOULs.. Even though he could have just made his attack go high enough to one-shot Asgore.

...It doesn't make sense for Flowey to do what he did if he really could hack.

So, it's best to conclude that Flowey couldn't hack. So the hacking the intro isn't canon.

And Flowey very well could have killed well before Frisk showed up, and that's where his LV came from. He nearly one-shot Frisk in the tutorial, and no other monster is this strong-Not even Sans. If it wasn't for Toriel, Flowey's fight would literally be impossible."

As i sais,it limely because he has god lke powers,if we consider that havking isnt canin then we should consider that all neutral end fight is not canon.the lv Flowey has at this point isnt canon,the title "my world"in the save file isnt canon etc...as they are require hacking the game

"Sparing appears in Hard Mode as well. ...And if Hard Mode is separate completely from Normal Mode.. Why aren't they two separate canons? Why would Hard Mode prove anything about Normal Mode?"

Because it still part of the game.

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