Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20190820122909/@comment-26006155-20191003094517

Jacky720 wrote: I'd like to claim the only special difference of a True Reset is that Flowey deliberately reduces his Determination to forget. But there's also the deja vu...

And about Gaster using the same flower. I think both of them used many flowers. But they thought, perhaps for different reasons, that the first one was special.

Boy were they right.

"yet it seems to bleed more and more into Deltarune."

No, it doesn't. It can't. If your theory holds for Deltarune, then we have some major other problems. If Flowey was able to reset his own memories, he wouldn't have had to ask Frisk to do it for him when we restarted the game after True Pacifist.

I agree that Gaster does seem to narrate the character creation part of Deltarune. But remember that the text chances, and another voice discards our creation, and says "Your name is..." with Toriel completing it with "Kris!"

Gaster is an amalgamate of two entities. The first one is probably Doctor Andonuts, who also talks to us when defeated, and talks about the world being covered in darkness if we don't continue. The second one, the really rude one, is likely Giygas.

I haven't seen some of the text you quoted in 214, but I found an unused text reddit posting here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/9t3k2z/deltarune_unused_text_in_the_game/

I really want to know the context for all those comments about "IT CONFORMED TO THE REFLECTION" and such.

The second part, about someone waking up in the dark, definitely seems like Asriel to me.

As you note in Premise 2, the post-completion load men seems to have a different narrator. (Or another aspect of the same being).

Wait, you need to be more clear about Premise 3. "Menu change. Consider: Prior to this scene, Gaster narrates the load menu. After this scene, Entity B does it. So this narrator gained something from the event."

I'm not nearly as through-read about Deltarune as I am about Undertale. Please clarify this, are you saying that the second time you play the game, character creation is different, and that the narrator changes?

Kris definitely seems to be in control at the end. We control the extra heart they ripped out of their chest. This game originaly belonged to Kris, until we saved over it with our named instead.

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We agree that Gaster has a narrational role in the game. Although the exact nature and duality of Gaster still needs to be explored.

I'm not sure we can assume that Kris has taken power from Gaster by tearing our soul out of their chest. Kris, who acts like a possessed zombie until our heart is finally removed, definitely takes power away from US though. This is Kris' story, not ours, which is why we can't significantly change it.

I still know very little about "The Knight". The entity that the King of Darkeners seemingly served, despite appearing to outrank them.

They did seem to appear and upset the balance of power when they did, and foment the conflict between ligtheners and darkeners. Although I have to study Deltarune a lot more thoroughly to lock in all the exact details.

So until we learn more about The Knight, Jevil, and more of the world in general, I don't feel comfortable trying to pin down who or what The Knight is.