Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31981697-20170722123329/@comment-27136653-20170827080314

2) Because he said it himself that he won't do that.

The room itself isn't in the world of Undertale. The annoying dog is supposed to represent Toby.

"With no extra information in the game." Flowey revealed his true identity. The date did not.

3.3) Yes, it has the same properties, but logically, a save cannot exist without a computer. And there's no "world computer" in Undertale, so it's rather some sort of a time-travel mumbo jumbo that contains links which can be created and destroyed.

3.5) But the humans themselves were strong enough. Why do we need the HUD to further support the fact that none of them died? I say it's redundant. And who said Frisk was never in a fight before? Or do you mean monster encounters only?

And Chara is LITERALLY affected by our LV. You can see it on the save file that Frisk shares with them. We cannot disregard this evidence. It has their name on them, so it must be theirs too. Please, prove me wrong. Find me in the game where does it say "The save file isn't shared between Frisk and Chara". The save has nothing to do with a soul, as proven by Flowey, ergo, soulless beings can too acquire LV. And since everyone must have LV (because, frankly, how else do you express someone's capacity to hurt? LV is already canon, so it must be the only way to express it. There's no metaphore, LV is a literal concept in Undertale), then Chara must have it too.

3.6) Unlike QM, HUD makes no sense. Why do we see the world one way, and then when it switches to battle mode we see it differently? If the HUD is rule, like QM, then it must be present at all times. But we have no proof that it is present at all times. Frankly, there's no proof that the HUD is a thing in the first place. As I said, everything can be explained without it, using OUR concept of a battle. I can't imagine that Undertale is THAT much distanced from the real world. Toby never said it is. So why shouldn't we imagine that the battles proceed completely normally, instead of how the HUD portrays it?

And why do we have to move the box? Idk, ask the HUD. Maybe it's Frisk moving slowly towards Sans so that they don't wake him up.

And lastly, why does naming Chara "Frisk" change everything, but giving them any other name does nothing? (And how does the world know that certain names are already in use? There are multiple monsters that have the same name, like Froggit, so why is for example naming Chara "Sans" forbidden?)

3.7) Yes. So what are you arguing about? And maybe some of that dialogue isn't actually the monsters speaking to Frisk/Chara, but Chara inserting that string on their own. Or it can also be another joke by Toby, that has no concrete explanation.

4.1) He teleports only in our presence. Maybe he wants to impress us. But nothing indicates that he would actually teleport his only station around. And what laws are you talking about? Maybe it's easier to duplicate bigger objects in this case.

4.2 + 6) He said it himself, he needs to kill you to reset everything.

And yes, they were, but it's a paradox. If they were determined to not die, then their soul wouldn't shatter, because otherwise Asriel would get what he wants. Instead, the soul had to persist, but that would mean a permanent death. So what really happened?

4.10) There is no Julian calendar in Undertale -_-

4.13) Because she doesn't know that soul power has roots in determination. She didn't know a lot of things.

And are you saying Toriel has no morals? Sans said she has integrity. Such person would never agree to kill someone for personal gain.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">5) We don't know what Frisk said. We just know that they disagreed with Chara, so it is implied that they denied everything.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">And if Flowey was really speaking to Chara, then either the world somehow found a way to make Frisk unable to hear stuff around them, or Chara and Frisk somehow got separated, or, "see you later, [player]".

<p style="font-weight:normal;">It is important to note that the player is still referred to using Chara's name.