Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20190820122909/@comment-32182236-20190827201156

Plainly? I'd imagine we were just barely able to make it out.

Even the HUD doesn't recognize that Toriel and Asgore are saying these things. There's no dialogue icon.

And there's a dialogue icon on the HUD even when talking to someone on the phone, so it's not because Toriel and Asgore weren't physically present.

The video is corrupted. The audio.. is also corrupted.

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Back to the calendar. I ask again.. Why would monsters base their year zero based on an event that they find completely unimportant (I'm honestly not sure if they believe it even happened.)

We know Sans knows Alphys. So one of two things must be true.

1-Alphys doesn't recall how they met, because they met under Gaster. In this case, we don't know what their relationship is right now.

2-Alphys somehow does recall how they met.. Meaning they didn't meet under Gaster, and likely met up after Gaster's fall.

If it's the latter, Sans would pitch in to help Alphys.

But I think I'm piling on too many assumptions. Let's start from the foundation again.

Jacky gave us a fine argument.. That reaches an unlikely conclusion.

So let's get into what a "village" actually is.

It appears that it is in fact possible for a village to exist in modern times. They're either a special district, or similar to a city.. But smaller.

But what do we know about the village that Chara is from?

We know that at the very center of the village, there were golden flowers.

...Is this a practice that still exists in the modern day?

There's still the "blow after blow, not shot after shot".

Statements 1-3 are all true. If there's a problem with the argument, the must be in later statements. (#5 is what I'm questioning.. Specifically, I'm trying to find out how "discernable" the audio really is. Clearly, it's not discernable enough for the HUD to know who's speaking it.)

Everything after Statement 5 has no errors at all. 1-2 were directly stated in the game, 3 is a natural conlusion..

But for 6 to derive from 4 and 5, the amount of warping must be so high as to make even the words impossible to find.

...Also, I'm getting rid of my idea that Chara just remembers what they heard on the tapes. That wouldn't explain Tape 1.

So the only way for the conclusion, statement 9, to be false.. is if either statement 4 or 5 is false.

Or, more specifically.. If the rate or severity of degradation that we should expect from the tape over many decades is less than the degregation that we actually see on the tapes.

That's because 7 is shown in the game, and given this, Chara must have fell after the birth of Asriel. So if we have a bound on the earliest event A could have happened, and know that event B happens after event A, then the same bound applies to event B.

And if it's less than a century since modern times.. Then that means it must have been in the 20th century. Thus, Chara's village was still around at the time.

We don't see this village in the ending.. So either it's gone now.. Or we're just looking in the wrong direction.

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So either the conclusion is true.. Or something's wrong with statement 4 and/or 5.