Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20190617222636/@comment-32182236-20190802181257

I have to wonder, though, if Sans/Future Frisk went back and did this to Gaster while Beta Frisk was still around.. Sans and Gaster would remember what happened, but would Frisk?

No, because Frisk didn't experience it. Your past-self never remembers your future.

But perhaps Gaster's fall is exactly what separated Frisk from Sans, and is the reason why Frisk doesn't later become Sans after the events of Undertale.

Normally, whenever time travel happens, there should be a causal loop. Your past self must eventually become your future self. Otherwise, we get a paradox. This is a reason why Alpha Frisk will become such a problem in your theory once I simulate it. Because there's simply no way for Alpha Frisk to become Sans..

But what if when Gaster fell, Frisk split apart? If Sans is from another world, Gaster's fall would be retconned from Undertale's timeline.. Including Frisk's timeline.. But at the same time, Ness would remember it.

Frisk has an Undertale SOUL.. Not an Earthbound SOUL.. If there's even such a thing. Ness has certainly leveled up in all of his adventures.. But his levels don't carry over to Frisk.

Maybe Sans isn't Frisk? But instead, "Frisk" is merely a vessel, similarly to how Kris is a vessel of us, the player in Deltarune?

Even though I disbelieve in the Ness Theory.. I'm still trying to gather all the information I can about it, and see how it fits together.. That way, when I simulate it, I simulate the real thing, and not a straw-man.

In the elevator Chara says the voice is one we've never heard before. But it certainly knows US.

...No, it knows Chara. If it knew us, it'd either say "Frisk", or, if your entire theory is correct, "Ness". Or maybe "Varik" if Varik is Ness and Toby Fox is trying to avoid a copyright claim. But "Chara" is completely off the table.

... maybe Frisk didn't lose his memory because of a headwound after all?

If Frisk is a vessel that is native to Undertale, then they'd either forget about Gaster, or become a Goner (which oddly enough is the name for the icon of your vessel in Deltarune). If they're from another world, they would remember Gaster just like Sans does.

When he of all people downplayed the idea that FNAF made sense a month later, then refused to discuss the very idea of The Two Villain Theory on the Megastreams, despite the misgivings of his own guests and staff, I thought he was being selfish.

The former could be because of contradictions he found in the lore. Contradictions is what made me reject the idea of FNAF having a coherent story.

The latter... I'm with you there, Ferret. ...He should have at least tried to debunk it. In his FNAF3 video, there's a scene where the script of it essentially flashes through.. https://youtu.be/OQv_k43MYdw?t=526

And in there, I've seen a mention of "Pink Guy".. And part of a rebuttal to the idea (about as good as the rest of his theories, though..). So MatPat was, at one point, planning on debunking the Pink Guy theory... That part never made the final cut.. And we don't get to see the whole rebuttal of the idea. I'm not sure why it got cut out.. Though your theory on the matter fits with said evidence-In which case the script was from before he was told not to talk about it.

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You can think whatever you like about me. But at the end of the day I want to be understood.

As I said, the only problem I've had with you was using things other than logic, science, and epistemology to determine your theories.

If we're trying to find out the hidden backstory.. We need to do this like a historian would. And if we want to go WAY back and try to find out the evolution of life.. Then from an archeological perspective. The fact that animals in the Underground are more closely related to monsters than humans is actually quite interesting. It means Undertale's tree of life is quite different than ours.. I don't think we'll ever find the common ancestor that all life evolved from, however. (I'm talking about Undertale's world, not this one.)

So I don't expect to come up with Undertale's version of "The Origin of Species" anytime soon. But it is interesting to note that humans and plants are, so far, the only known organisms in Undertale comprised mostly of physical matter.

My current hypothesis is that there is no common ancestor in these cases.. That the first magical life and the first physical life both came out of abiogenesis. But I wouldn't call it a theory-It hasn't been tested.