Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-27620479-20160914150718/@comment-28296608-20160915040434

I am not sure about flowey losing to sans every time. It actually seems like nobody remembers flowey, because at the time you fell down that is what he wanted. He remarks that sans gave him quite a few deaths, but flowey isn't the type to give up. In fact given his attack style and his attacks in the opening flowey uses weak attacks that are unavoidable. his pellet circle if you will. He also talks about how he has literally done everything and grown bored of the underground. This makes sense given at the beginning of the game he was simply waiting for someone new to show up. Which makes sense given that the hole in the roof of the cave is the only place anyone new ever shows up.

That being said this would also fit with the theory as it means flowey would have reset thousands of times more than the player did. At minimum because with save states and the like he must have been playing a wildly different game then the player.

Lastly sans and papyrus just show up one day and sans admits they where called because of the anomaly. But flowey talks at length about how he messed with them before the player even got there. Meaning all or most of sans dialog must have pertained to flowey's actions not the players and flowey is the anomaly that called them there in the first place.

I know some of this is repeat information.