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Now, for MY take on it.

Split Body-Two Beings in One

We start every run in a physical body that belongs to Frisk, but contains the essence of Chara within. The SOUL belongs specifically to Frisk, while Chara is the soulless narrator that can also take control at certain points within the game. Due to the nature of determination, while Frisk mainly has the ability to SAVE, Chara's determination can take over, specifically at the end of the No Mercy Run, meaning that their determination is close to Frisk's, and at this point overtook them. Seeing how Frisk and Chara share essences, they can also share memories, feelings, and so on. This is evidenced mainly by their speech at the end, where they say the feeling you get when a number increases is Chara.

"Determination", or the resolve to change fate. Chara says that they do not want to bring the world back; they only do it because they want your SOUL. We name Chara in the game, but that does not mean that we are closer to Chara than we are to Frisk. The name was only a mystery until we saw for ourselves. It's no stretch to say that we, the protagonist, have the most determination. We're the ones SAVing and LOADing, after all!

However, the physical body "rebels" in all routes, giving an indication that we are not working alone. In the genocide route, these movements are more noticeable, more numerous, and more drastic, though they are seen slightly in every route. That is evidence of Chara taking control.

Anyway. Let's talk about the Frisk/Chara essences. Frisk is the declared dominant spirit in pacifist - they say their own name to Asriel. However, Chara is still within them after the fight-And before. They are the narrator, after all, and the narration continues into the epilogue.

Asriel's Boss Fight

Alright. So, once Flowey "becomes a god", Asriel appears to us as he was when he was a child. He picks up his head (he may have been crying) and smiles. He then says "Howdy! Chara, are you there? It's me, your best friend." Then, he turns into his boss form and tries to defeat us, so that he can reset, and do this all over again.

What happened here? Well, at first, we don't know. We have to look at what Asriel said AFTER the fight to help figure it out. Asriel saw how good we were, and projected that onto Chara-It made him think that we are Chara. We know that Chara loves STATs, and doesn't love doing the same things over and over:Calling your sentimentality perverted if you do the Genocide mode twice:Therefore, they wouldn't have corrupted Asriel. What really happened is exactly what the game implied happened:Asriel thought Frisk was Chara, and wanted to play with them forever-After a happy ending, the game is over. More indication of this is how many 9's the Lost Soul's have in their data STATS - Asriel gave them those stats because of how much Chara likes 9's!

Okay, we SAVE our friends. Then, there is one last person to be SAVED - Asriel. But, not just the Asriel's hyperdeath form. Asriel states afterwards that he'll turn back into a flower:Flowey and Asriel appear as if they're separate, despite being the same. The collection of these two personalities would be SAVed together. Asriel smiles up until this point in the battle - then, he starts to cry. We SAVE Asriel by reminding him of his life before-His only time with true love. Chara helps out with this, showing those memories to Asriel:Then, they can finally end the battle. (A total side note here. Recall that the monsters at the end of a neutral route say that Asriel refused to fight the humans while smiling? Asriel doesn't mention smiling in his rendition. This indicates that the story got corrupted over time, so perhaps it wasn't completely accurate...)

Souless Pacifist

So. Pacifist runs post-genocide are ruined for one reason, and one reason only. Know how Frisk is usually the dominant essence in their body? Well, after a Genocide Route, that goes to Chara, when their SOUL is sold away. Though Chara is a part of Frisk's SOUL no matter what, by literally giving up Frisk's SOUL, Chara is now the dominant one, and can take over at any time. On the other hand, if we never gave up our SOUL, then Chara cannot take over, and thus, we have a true happy end.. (Or do we? ...Well, actually, probably not, but the reason why it's not a true happy end has nothing to do with Chara. Point is, Chara can't take control and Frisk can live on.)

Flowey's Warning-The Charisk Mix-Up?

As we discussed before, Frisk and Chara are two halves of a whole, with Frisk being dominant by default, with Chara being dominant after possession of Frisk's SOUL is given unto Chara. I also discussed how Chara can take control of Frisk in certain circumstances, even before they take the SOUL. Now, to an outside observer, it wouldn't be possible to tell which person is doing what action-Frisk is indistinguishable from Chara when they're both controlling the same body. Let's call this fusion Charisk, as we called the Asriel and Chara fusion "Chasriel". This would include Flowey as well.

Seeing as Chara's memories are what SAVEd Asriel, Flowey assumed that it was Chara who had the ability to SAVE, when it was in fact Frisk. Therefore, his speech was directed towards Chara, even though it applies to us, Frisk, seeing how we're the one who makes the real choice. There IS evidence that it wasn't meant for us, though, seeing how he assumes that we're here to reset, when we showed no indication of doing so-Chara, however, did:They want a Genocide Ending, after all. This caused Frisk to appear as if they wanted to as well:And as Flowey recognized these motions as Chara's, he assumed that Chara could reset, and thus, gave his speech. The only reason why we hear it is because even now, Chara still lives with us. Us and Chara are still one:Charisk.