Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20181123023529/@comment-35806478-20181202075700

Okay, guess I should respond.

First, about Sans' death scene. You say Sans doesn't instantly disintegrate from the blow that one-shots Asgore. I say you're wrong on two accounts. First of all, Asgore doesn't instantly disintegrate. He survives long enough to get finished off by Flowey, and then his SOUL survives so that Flowey can kill it too. Second of all, the blow Sans takes isn't the same one Asgore takes. Sans' blow is seven 9s. That sounds like a lot, but Asgore's blow is ten 9s. Asgore takes over 100x the blow Sans takes, and still doesn't die instantly. That means that Sans could theoretically survive his killing blow long enough to spurt out massive amounts of red stuff and then have a death-hallucination.

I'll concede that it does seem strange that Sans can dodge attacks literally in his sleep...but that isn't proof he's a future version of Frisk. Still very strange, though.

Again, I stand by my belief that the human-monster combo is part of the legend that tells people that human-monster combos can murder a bunch of people real well. Or maybe it was added on to the legend after the monsters were trapped under the barrier.

So Gaster has to be a human because not only does he have a human head (except for the fact that the only instances of Gaster we see in-game have a distinctly skeletal look) but he also pioneered determination research and the determination extraction machine before there were ever humans to experiment on. But, how do you know when Gaster was alive? For all you know, he had Chara to experiment on. Oh, and I can't remember - did your theory say that Gaster was pretending to be a monster? Because if it did, that would mean that Gaster would inevitably meet Asgore at the barrier. And then, Asgore would ask him "Where are you going? After all, there's no way you can leave! You're a monster, after all! Right?" Even if that conversation never happened, he would still be told by all the monsters that you need a human-monster combo to escape the underground. Perhaps that's why he became the royal scientist and built the determination extractor - so he could harvest a monster SOUL to go through the barrier!

Even if he wasn't masquerading as a monster, who's to say he wanted to go back to humankind? According to you, Gaster is a mad scientist that's always determined (heh) to achieve his goals, no matter the cost. Did humanity want that kind of person? Perhaps he was driven to the mountain, or perhaps he sought out refuge from the jeers of humanity.

I'm rambling, but I can base many different alternate explanations off of your theories. Sure, there's not any Story Potential(TM), but that's fine with me, because I've got my own Story Potential Theories(TM).

Yes, I understand that the amalgamates were powered by determination. You seem to think there was no empowerment whatsoever with the amalgamates, but you're forgetting that '''they were literally brought back to life. '''If that's not empowerment, I don't know what is. Also, you cite the neutral endings to show that Undyne never gooped up, unlike the amalgamates. But let's think about this for a second. You claim that Alphys is feeding Undyne trace amounts of DT. Thus, she has a lot of DT in her. But it doesn't fully come out until she's on the verge of death. Thus, if Undyne can call upon DT, then that means she can call off DT. Imagine Undyne suddenly gains a boost of DT, kicks Toriel's butt, and then loses that DT. That's a demonstration of the power of DT with none of the cost.

You're right, Snowdrake's Mom does take damage. But, to be fair, she has like, over 16 SOULS inside of her. Her attacks are all extremely weak, and her music is distorted as all get out. I'll bet the endless amounts of pain she experiences is weakening her's - and everyone else inside of her's - SOULS.

So, the Determination Extraction Machine (or DEM for short). Why was it created? Well, just a few paragraphs ago, you were describing how DT makes people more powerful than Boss Monsters. Seems like a good reason to extract this DT business to me. I mean, say Gaster came to the conclusion that injecting it into monsters would prevent them from even having their bodies killed. Most monsters die when their body dies, y'know. It's clear there's a connection between SOULS and the body.

How exactly does a Soul-Thief fit the strands of lore better than just plain ol' illness? Please explain, I don't understand.

I think that Mettaton used his Sexy Forme to confront Muffet, not his Boring Forme. I mean, Sexy Forme does have a winning smile. Although I'm surprised there was no mention of the patented Mettaton Legges(TM).

Hold on. How would Gaster have a human SOUL at this point? You just said he was a ghost human mad scientist who can make himself visible. Wouldn't he need magic to make himself visible? He's a human, remember? Besides, he was shattered across time and space. Not only can he not do anything worthwhile while shattered across the time-space continuum, but his SOUL should be shattered, too.

Okay. Now here's my grand theory that has the Story Potential(TM) about W.D. Gaster you so desperately crave.

The person who invites you over to play Deltarune is probably Gaster. We know this because they talk in the same way as the mysterious Intro Man. Also, the dialogue between Twitter Man and Intro Man flows very smoothly. Twitter Man says:

"SO TO BE HERE

FINALLY

ON THE VERGE OF CONNECTION"

And Intro Man says:

"ARE WE CONNECTED?"

To me, Twitter Man and Intro Man are the same person who is leading the player into playing this cool experiment with them. But how do we know that Mysterious Man is Gaster? Well, they sure do talk like Gaster, but not only that, the intro music is in the OST. It's called "ANOTHER HIM". This is in reference to him.ogg from the first game, a.k.a Gaster's theme. (It also implies that the Gaster we're talking to is not the same one as in Undertale)

So we're talking to Gaster. Big deal. Except it is a big deal. Think about what this implies. Gaster got onto the Undertale twitter account and communicated with the player. That is the most blatant 4th wall break I've ever seen. And how exactly did Gaster get onto the Undertale twitter account that Toby Fox, aka Annoying Dog owns? Well obviously, Gaster must have gotten access to the Annoying Dog's computer.

So, that's a big revelation. But let's look at the tweets again.

" I HAVE SOMETHING

SOMETHING I WANT TO SHOW YOU "

" SOMETHING

I THINK YOU WILL FIND

VERY,

VERY,

INTERESTING "

" BUT

IT IS NOT COMPLETE

YET "

" NO

IT IS FAR FROM COMPLETE "

" THUS

I HAVE A SMALL FAVOUR TO ASK

OF YOU. "

" RETURN HERE IN [24] HOURS. "

" AT THAT TIME,

I WILL ASK YOU A FEW QUESTIONS. "

" THEN

USING YOUR RESPONSES

WE WILL APPROACH ITS REALIZATION. "

" THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

I WILL BE IN CONTACT AGAIN

SOON. "

Did you spot that? He spouted a bunch of Gastery stuff, yes, but '''Gaster also implied that he can change the universe of Deltarune - the code of Deltarune - based on his and the player's feedback. '''And this makes sense. After all, he got access to the Annoying Dog's computer. Of course he has magic universe-altering superpowers.

Also, note that he says he's "going to ask a few questions". This is probably in reference to the intro of the game, where Gaster asks us "a few questions". Of course, he's interrupted by a strange voice - a voice and font dead-on with the opening of the original Undertale. That's right - it's not Chara who interrupts Gaster, it's the Annoying Dog (aka Toby Fox) itself. Likely he's not too happy with Gaster's "experiment". But judging by the mysterious egg-man in the scarlet forest, I think we haven't seen the last of Gaster's scheming.

So there you go. A theory with lots of Story Potential(TM) - Gaster can control the frickin' universe, for crying out loud! How's that for an ultimate threat!?