Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31371445-20170222233857/@comment-27136653-20180624150337

"Which proves we have the most determination, because only those with the most determination can SAVE and/or LOAD. Case closed."

Which, again, doesn't explain why we cannot do so during the Omega Flowey fight. Please, read my responses whole before you start replying.

"But, no. Frisk has more DT, not more SOUL power."

If that was the case, again, we would be able to defeat Omega Flowey through other means than by calling for help constantly. The question is still there, why couldn't we access our save file during a battle with Omega Flowey, but could during Asriel's battle?

"That's why I stated this is ALSO proof that determination can fluctuate."

Then why did it NOT fluctuate during the Omega Flowey fight? You can't just nitpick like this, saying it did there, but didn't here. Such theory sucks, it's just a dumb head canon.

"Why didn't they re-fuse against Asgore?"

"Refuse" happens, when your soul dies, but you can't go back, but you don't want to die either. Those kids COULD go back. But eventually, they all gave their souls away. Why? Well maybe Asgore really is stronger than he looks. And also, one more thing. I think the soul shatters only and only if it can go back. After all, why would the monsters try to destroy your soul, if that's what they want in the first place, and considering human souls persist after death, right? So that gives us a new look at the last two fights with Flowey/Asriel. Flowey wanted to play with us. He didn't care whether our soul persisted or not, after killing us, he would just reload. Asriel though wanted nothing but to get rid of us, and then reset. So going back was out of the question, as if our soul shattered, he would do it. That implies he had the control over the power. Because why else would our soul refuse, instead of simply going back in time as per usual? And making our soul persist would be akin to giving up. That's what the other kids did. So the only other option was something that hasn't happened before, that is, a "refuse." Though the question is, why couldn't he simply reset right away? There are many possible explanations for that, but it's certainly not a DT flux within Frisk. If that was the case, they would be able to reset and Asriel wouldn't. Plus, the above, why didn't it fluctuate during the fight with Flowey? No, Asriel had the power, but we were somehow preventing him from resetting the timeline. Maybe the reset option requires special conditions, such as, killing the previous owner. Though, that wasn't the case when we first entered the underground, was it? I think I've already said this once. Frisk gained the ability over Flowey, because their DT was higher. Asriel's cumulative DT was higher than ours, but then again, each part of it was weaker than Frisk's soul. So maybe THIS is why he couldn't reset and had to kill us. He felt that the power wasn't registering his composite soul. That's why the transfer of the reset power didn't happen there.

"but humans could never conceivably replicate that!"

You're telling me humans can't do bullet patterns... because they aren't strong enough. And yet they summoned the barrier. Just, I dunno, turn the bullets into an array, and then draw with that array like with a ribbon. That's what Flowey did with his bullets, I don't think he controlled each one individually. I mean, why would he? Plus, if humans can't express themselves with magic, despite having magic, then monsters can't express themselves with physical matter, despite them doing the same with their magical limbs and whatnot would come off the same. This "expression" is subjective if we draw the line on what is and what isn't an expression. The more easier, logical, and obvious explanation would be what I suggested. And this includes your dictionary definition as well. If someone can't cast magic, well, they can't really express themselves with it either, CAN they?

"They can move, they use it to build things."

I'm sure they don't build stuff out of their own bodies -w-

"So, because the game doesn't explicitly give an answer, every answer must be wrong..?"

Just... prove it, or give a strong evidence, and then such questions become relevant and worthy of a conversation.

"Laws of physics don't just change randomly"

No, but as I stated somewhere above, they could have been an exception. Maybe they absorbed the souls of boss monsters, giving themselves magic. Maybe they've had a rare genetic mutation tha allowed them to utilize magic. Maybe humans really could use magic back then, but lost the ability over the years for whatever reason (maybe for the absence of monsters?). See, there's a ton of ways we can rationalize their existence in the context of the in-game present day.

"Since dominant traits determine SOUL color, that means monsters have more magic than any of the seven traits."

There may be no such thing as a "dominant trait." There might be only one trait per a soul. Keep that in mind. It's easy to get lost amidst all these fandom head canons.

"and control it all at once?"

And could a monster? And I'm guessing the answer is yes. Ever tried juggling? I don't think magic must necessarily be "hold to exist" for humans. The barrier is a proof that they could cast spells that outlasted them. So why not small spells that don't require their constant attention for that matter?