Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31981697-20170722123329/@comment-27136653-20170801113521

Starscream1998 wrote: Wait what are you 2 arguing about, I got lost after the whole 'can the other fallen humans reset' and stuff like that? I guess I should say something else too.

I said that it can't be determination, since all of the previous humans had it too.

Then he said that Frisk just had more of it. I said that that doesn't make a difference, since all humans had an access to the same powers.

Then he said that it matters, since even if that's true, WE were the ones who managed to defeat Asgore, Omega Flowey, and Asriel. Something that shouldn't be possible.

I called that a bs, saying that that's not how DT works, and then proceeded to debunk everything.

Asgore lost because of himself, Omega Flowey lost because we convinced the souls to rebel, and Asriel lost because our soul refused to die, WITHOUT shattering, without going back. As strange as that is, it granted us the ability to defeat a god. If you think about it, it's simple, we were invincible in that battle. Why? That is a mystery indeed.

Other stuff we keep arguing about:

The date the game takes place in.

 The reason why the souls bear the colors they do.

 How much Asgore knows about the battle system (I say the smashing of the mercy button was just symbolical), and how much of the meta stuff is actually "canon". I mean, Frisk didn't name Chara. We, the players did, so it can't be canon with the story.

 Whether or not the items show that the humans died before reaching Asgore.