Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-28974149-20180305043309/@comment-32182236-20180324171030

"Actually that's what we call a hint , note that Toby over explained everything instead of saying "It's just bugfixs" he added alot of extra detail. "There's no reason to replay the game or anything." That a pretty suspicious thing to say. . .  It was a clue."

If there's only bugfixes, of course there's no reason to replay the game.

"Like, for example:  "Where are the cookies."  "They're NOT in the 5th cabinet. So whatever you do, don't look in there."  It's reverse psycology."

He simply said there were just bugfixes, and therefore, no reason to replay the game.

"Besides, lying about a patch and lying on a Kickstarter while using the 51,025 dollars the fans gave to you expecting everything from it is a totally different animal, I am aware there are some dirty assholes who completely lie on the kickstarter but do you really accuse our Toby Fox of such a thing?"

I do, and I have proof that he did indeed lie on the kickstarter. The same kickstarter said you would literally have a robot husband. We never date Mettaton in the game. Therefore, that is indeed a lie. And if he lied on the Kickstarter once, why not a second a time?

"..How dare you? You have no faith in the creator of this game we love?"

I did, but he shattered my faith in him.

"Toby has shown that he is completely honest about this, there were a few things that had to be left out of the game and he wasted no time in announcing this and apologizing. And also assured that the only Risk was that he wouldn't finish the game on time ."

Specifically, the game we have right now.

Also, why can't Toby saying there won't be a sequel be a case of this? The "something new" in 2016 likely was the Undertale Alarm Clock app.. Or maybe something non-Undertale related! After all, Toby did Homestuck before he did Undertale!

"He is a good honest annoying dog. The best qualities an annoying dog could have, honestly."

The annoying dog robs us of our artifact... ...The annoying dog isn't good. Toby might be, but not the dog.

"Undertale 2? There is going to be no "Undertale 2" He assured us that he would never make a direct sequel.  But that leaves alot of wiggle room for a game that's in-universe but not connected to anything or a prequel. Which I think is what "Shrouded in Darkness" is most likely going to be since Gaster only exists in the past now."

Gaster's no mystery. There's no need to make a game about him.

"We know what that other creation is it's nothing new:"

Yep, the machine in Sans' room. Gaster's no mystery.

"And we know Toby said "they" tried to fix it, but it's impossible... W. D. Gaster is lost forever... all that's left is the CORE, this little lab, and our favorite Skelebros who we know our related in some way due to their "Gaster Blaster" move, which Papyrus implies is his true special attack, and Sans' metaknowledge of how the Universe works."

Yep, they're related to Gaster alright.

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"We do know alot about Gaster, in fact, Gaster himself isn't really a mystery but what IS is his connection to Sans and Papyrus and to Suzy.   Who were all these guys?"

We have no evidence that "Suzy" is connected to Gaster. Sure, they're both mysterious entities, but that doesn't mean they're related.

"Who were these "Gaster Follower" guys before they became Spacetime-y  wanderers?"

The people we don't recognize, of course.

"Why do they look like NPC's that already exist? Are they alternate versions from the dead timeline? Or siblings? Same species?"

Same species. There's only so many species, after all. There is a more complicated explanation, but I haven't even gotten halfway through it, and it would involve a LOT of meta-ness.. So I'm just going with same species for now.

"And we know little to nothing about who the skele brothers are All we know is Papyrus feels lonely and just wants friends and fame, but he doesn't know why he wants these things according to his lost soul dialogue...
 * I MUST CAPTURE A HUMAN!
 * THEN EVERYONE WILL.

He's lost. He does't have his memories. That's why he's "lost" in the first place. He wants these things for the same reason why everybody else wants to be like Mettaton.

"Alas, Poor Papyrus.   It's pretty weird y'know considering everybody loves him and if he dies in a neutral ending the monsters overthrow the longstanding Dreemurr dynasty."

...That happens if you kill too many monsters PERIOD. Also, by "everybody loves him", do you mean the fandom? Because Papyrus wants them to love him, and is a dozen away from a double-digit count.. Meaning he literally has NEGATIVE followers.

"Is creative, loves building and tinkering with things such as puzzles, has a complex tome of puzzles, likes to be read a children's book at night, has an intelligent vocabulary except for those times when he makes up words for fun, has a vague knowledge of 'other endings'"

The worst possible ending, where Papyrus never becomes a Royal Guard. The end of a dream.

"hates Sans' puns but likes it when Undyne does them and occasionally does them"

He hates Sans using puns to be LAZY. Also, they're "bad" puns.. What about good puns?

"wants to capture you but doesn't want to kill you"

Killing you is Asgore's job. His job is to capture the human and send it to Asgore. This is because if he kills the human on his own, and doesn't put it into a SOUL capsule, the SOUL could get away!

"and also believes others can be as GREAT as he narcissistically thinks he is if they just try."


 * Sans:Do you think even the worst person could change? That everyone could be a good person, if they just try?

Papyrus:OF COURSE THEY CAN!

Sans:Bro. Aren't you supposed to be dead?|

But yeah, he does believe that we can change even after we kill him.

"Wants to assume the role of protector and idolizes Undyne for doing so. He is Sans' overly happy and strangely taller and stronger younger brother who also dreams of selling flames, a literal fire sale."

No, he dreams of becoming the Royal Guard. And possibly making spaghetti...?

"And we know Sans, the shorter, weaker, older brother, likes puns and jokes and even does standup at MTT resort, loves greasy food, practically lives at grillbys to the point that the place adopts his theme, dislikes making promises for some unknown reason"

We know the reason-It's stated in the Genocide Route. After you've killed everyone, he goes "sorry, old lady. This is why I never make promises". The "old lady" here is Toriel. He hates making promises because he knows things can change. That eventually, there's a point where keeping the promise isn't worth it, and that therefore, it's better to not make any to begin with.

"has hatred of humans but was nice to us because of the promise he made to Toriel"

We could be dead where we stand because, well.. Sans is supposed to capture humans?

"is very observant unlike his seemingly oblivious brother, knows alot about the universe, has done reports with someone, and has given up on something important in the past wanting to go "back" "home"."

That someone is Gaster.

"Likes sci-fi stuff, enjoys pranking others across Time and Space to the point where Papyrus sees it as an everyday thing, has strange reality manipulating ability that he shouldn't have and has given him more stregnth than is natural to him, and is depressed as he knows his entire universe is at our mercy and genocide."

And even afterwards, it can all be reset..

"And they both have to power to influence gravity, a scientific soul mode(and as we know monster magic is based on their own self-expression, who they are.) on the soul. We also know they are mirror images of each other, their characters are constantly butting heads."

They do agree on some things, and they bond over each other. They're not total opposites.

"Papyrus is stronger than Sans but at the same time is paradoxically weak due to wanting to give you mercy and fearing you in genocide(Alot like a Superhero he knows he has great power but wants to hold back and capture his enemies not kill them...he even dresses like one and his theme is even organized  like a classic style super hero theme.  The Great Papyrus is a title similar to the Amazing Spiderman in fact.), we only see his stregnth when he does his "super cool normal attacks" and Undyne mentions that Papyrus is no pushover. While Sans is weak but has paradoxical strength at the same time.   It's also interesting how the difficulty spike increases when you fight Papyrus and how you have the option to skip his fight if you die enough.  He maybe easy mode Sans, but Sans is pretty tough."

Yep. That's how knolwedge is better than brute strength if you aren't even going to use the strength.

"Another interesting thing to note is that Papyrus is intelligent enough and calculated enough to know how hard to hit you without killing you, sending you to 1hp every time."

This could just be because he doesn't want to fight, which lowers his attack. Toriel does something similar, although she's more obvious about it, by literally moving her flames away from you.

"That's alot, cool, but as you see from Sans there is alot of mystery, in fact, both of them have absolutely no trace-ble past."

Gaster.

"They are only known to have come in the recent past just "appearing" one day out of nowhere and "asserting themselves"."

Nobody remembers Gaster. Sans and Papyrus came from Gaster. Therefore, nobody remembers what Sans and Papyrus came from.

"There is also the interesting fact that undertale follows video game rules, that is, every monster has it's own habitat, and if so, Sans and Papyrus are out of place, Skeletal monsters belong in the lava level, in hotland. We know Gaster worked there but Sans and Papyrus are skeletons in a snow level... it's weird."

They could also just be using classical evolution rules. Hot monsters belong in Hotland, snowlike monsters go in Snowdin, and monsters better fit for a water envoriment belong in Waterfall. Skeletons are bones of humans, and therefore.. Don't necessarily belong in Hotland.

"And we know Alphys was an weeb lizard living among trash in waterfall until Gaster's absence allowed that she, with a misguided crush on Asgore led her to build Mettaton's body and collude with her friend to create the mettaton that we know and love and accidentily become the royal scientist."

She moved to the trash AFTER all of that. Entry 21.

"Just something to note.  Either way every scrap of evidence we can find about Gaster has been found, the game has been 100% datamined, and we still have all these questions... questions, only "Shrouded in Darkness" can answer."

Or we never bothered to try and piece the evidence all together. There's so much evidence that it could take years for us to break it all down.