Talk:Determination/@comment-71.74.137.133-20151117093048/@comment-28546429-20160731221349

-Spoilers for final boss in True Pacifist

Asriel died, and his dust spread over the flowers. Some spread over the flower that Alphys experimented on, causing Flowey to turn into a ... "God". The power, the determination, he wanted to finally erase the world. He wanted to reset so you would keep 'playing' the 'game' with him, and you would 'win' the 'game' if you get past him. Either determination is great enough for Flowey to SHATTER the fourth wall in this case, or he was using a very true analogy. Determination is a very strong force that can even avoid death completely, with the ability to LOAD and SAVE, so, naturally any normal monster couldn't live in these conditions, forming into almagamites, or just simply melting.

On a related note, even injected with VILES full of determination the almagamites still did not have the power to SAVE, and LOAD. The determination needed to achieve LOAD and SAVE is very great, something only a human soul could possess. Or, Flowey.

Flowey was injected with so much determination, Flowey actually gained these abilities.

To put it simply, Flowey is not a monster.

Why? Riverperson describes him as an entirely different entity ("Tra la la. Humans, monsters, flowers..."), and he does not turn to dust when you kill him (I've never tried to kill him so I may be wrong). He has an inability to feel things a human or monster can generally feel, like love, happiness and other things. However, he CAN feel anger, sadness and fear. What you can put together quite quickly is that he can only feel negative emotions due to the lack of soul.

He is technically a flower. He is also technically Asriel. He has been injected with determination.

He is not a monster.