Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20181123023529/@comment-32182236-20181225151528

I suppose I'll try to preview each of those possibilities first. (Which brings our possible universes to four!)

But one question. Where'd the name "Frisk" come from? Seriously, where? If your theory is correct, why doesn't Frisk either know that he's Ness, and give THAT name to Asriel, or, if he forgot his name, just not give a name at all?

Oh, and another one. When did the machine break? Gaster and Frisk arrived at two separate times. What even happened there?

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Alright. So what was previously universe group 1 is now both universe group 1 AND universe group 3. (Which one depends on whether Alphys worked with Gaster or not.) Similarly, 2 splits into 2 and 4. 1 and 2 have Alphys not working with Gaster, 3 and 4 have her working with Gaster. Our goal? Destroy as many of these possibilities as possible. (We only want one possibility to remain. I want to destroy the WHOLE chain, of course, debunking yet another theory, as I'm looking to leave one, and only ONE possibility of how Undertale's timeline(s) went.)

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So, in universes 1 and 2, Mettaton most likely didn't exist-This was Alphys' idea. But maybe he could-But not in his entertainment form. He'd be some kind of experiment instead, possibly even the vessel! But it most certainly wouldn't be a project to impress Asgore to become Royal Scientist-He already WAS Royal Scientist!

Well, I guess the universe splits again!

In A1/A2, Mettaton exists as an experiment by Gaster, and in B1/B2, he doesn't exist at all. (If you can show how universe C1/C2 could exist, with Mettaton still existing as an entertainer anyways, even without Alphys, I'll add it to the list. But right now, I'm convinced it doesn't.)

Either way, we won't be seeing Mettaton's shows. If he exists, he'd either try to kill Frisk as an eradication robot, or just be in the True Lab.

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Given that Gaster was Royal Scientist, and would have helped Alphys out in universes 3 and 4, the odds that the Amalgamates would be created are low. But it's still possible. But I wouldn't take this path if I were you-Then BOTH of the two possible big holes at the end of the timeline will exist at the same time. (The second would take a slightly different form, but still.) The other universes only have one of the two (different from universe to universe)

Maybe you'll fix them though. These two holes are past Gaster's fall, after all.

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Gaster may or may not have been on Frisk's side. By your theory, he almost certainly WAS, as Andonuts knows Ness, and was probably the one who made the disguises in the first place, but question is-How will he explain to everyone why he isn't setting effective traps against this final human, and then collecting the final SOUL to free everyone?

..Whatever that is, Frisk makes it through, passes by the CORE, and eventually reaches Asgore. Now, the universe splits again, because Flowey plays a big role now. Well, technically, whether or not he even existed, since the injection may or may not have happened.

Technically, Gaster could have tried doing the same thing Alphys did, so Flowey existing is compatible with every universe. At the same time, he could have had other plans, so Flowey NOT existing is compatible with Alphys not working with Gaster. (It's probably compatible with Alphys working WITH Gaster as well, for the same reasons why the Amalgamates probably didn't happen. But since Flowey was a success, unlike the Amalgamtes, the odds are far higher and reasonable that he still existed.)

If Flowey DID exist, things would progress as usual, and Frisk would achieve a Neutral Route. So, question is-Why couldn't Frisk keep that up and get a TP ending?

If Flowey DIDN'T exist, that means Asgore lives, and Frisk gets to live together with Asgore! So, question is:How was their absence explained? And what drew Frisk to Gaster? What made Frisk think Gaster was on their side right now, and that he's Dr. Andonuts, of all possibilities? How did they find out.. That Gaster's no monster, and transition into Sans?