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Chickenpants93 wrote: MagomaevaAmina wrote: Chickenpants93 wrote:

MML!opinions!Fun!Chocolate! wrote: Chickenpants93 wrote:

Saturn eat pie wrote: It's annoying that people say he/she is. They tell you to do the pacifist. they actually tell you to delete "this pointless world" and they also kill their own family. aaaand chara controls you to force you to fight monster kid sooooo evil. also asriel confirms she wanted to use their ppowers to destroy humanity. ...

They don’t control you. YOU control you. Frisk is still the playable character

If you weren’t responsible for your own actions, that’d defeat the purpose of the entire fluffing message of this game (Your actions have consequences)

Asriel never confirmed anything. He just said they weren’t the best person. It’s more likely he over-idolized them. Also, funny you’d bring up Monster Kid, who said a similar thing about Undyne... yet they actually said worse about her than Asriel did of Chara

Can we at least try to stick with canon information and point out when we’re going into headcanon and wild speculation territory? Because that’s what you did. The only thing that could be considered canon is your first point of the telling you to erase the world, but you didn’t acknowledge their dialogue on a second genocide run which is what the person you replied to was talking about. Where they tell you that if you choose to recreate the world again, you should probably do something else with your life because you already know what’s gonna happen if you murder everyone again. They actually aren’t even specific, they just say to choose another path. They also basically say you’re messed up

Can we PLEASE at least TRY to go with something at least plausible? The things you said basically haven’t got legs to stand on except for the very first point. However, you didn’t even acknowledge what the person you replied to was saying.

(Sighs) pointless Chara blamers... so pathetic that they desperately try to still find a way to think they’re the good guys and blame a fictional character for their own actions, despite them being the ones to play through the entire genocide run and ignored every warning... first of all, ouch! XD but what i meant about monster kid. is that your charictor walks towards him in a threatening way without you pressing any buttons. and monster kid didnt start the battle. but you as a player dont even have the ability to do that. I will admit that i didnt know about the second genocide thing. but it seems to me that chara (like flowey) is bored with doing the same thing multiple times. and that bit about asriel wasnt a head canon. if you go back to talk to him in pacifist, he says that chara wanted to kill everyone but asriel resisted. i realy did try to acknowledge what they had said, and if chara is prooven innocent then WHOOOHOOO! I honestly WISH i could proove otherwise. and yes, i agree the player is either messed up, or a comletionist to do the genocide run. i never have and never will, although i will quote flowey by saying "im one of those sickos who watched it happen." also, please dont be rude. im trying to have a real debate using all the facts i can find. you actually have brought up some points i will have to look at. Actually Asriel said that Chara tried to kill the villagers (presumably to defend themselves since monsters says that the villagers attacked Asriel and as before the attack Chara was busy with buriying their body),he doesnt say that they tried to kill all humans.Heck even as Flowey he still claim that Chara's plan was to free everyone in the genocide run oh your right sorry about that. but by free everyone do you mean.... freeing their souls from their bodys? because their plans seem a little... murdery

Neh ,Flowey has changed his mind

"There's just one thing left I want to do. Let's finish what we started. Let's free everyone. Then... let's let them see what humanity is REALLY like! That despite it all... This world is still "kill or be killed!!" Then...? Well. I had... Been entertaining a few ways to use that power. Hee hee hee... ... But seeing you here changed my mind. ... I think if you're around... Just living in the surface world doesn't seem so bad."

He say it himself that he want to show monsters what humanity is "really like"and that he want to go to the surface with Chara ,so he's clearly talking about breaking the barrier