Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20190617222636/@comment-26006155-20190725003940

The question now is, who set the spikes? And when?

The possiblity of human attacks might explain why the monsters left The Ruins.. except the lore says they were "no longer fearing human attacks", which counterdicts that.

Toriel doesn't like the idea of killing the humans, and she's the one currently ruling the Ruins. Although that didn't stop other monsters Frisk encounters from trying to attack him.

So if these spikes predate Toriel's return to the Ruins... and it does say they're ancient.. who set them and when?

If Chara was indeed the first human who fell during Asgore's tenure, why would they ever build the spikes? What would Asgore's monsters have to fear?

But as Asriel pointed out, Mount Ebbot already had a reputation from being a place people disappear, even before Chara.

There really has to have been another civilization before Asgore, that had to deal with human attacks from the spot Chara fell from.

Possibliy several.. if the Waterfall Glyph writer reported there were no entrances or exits from the place. Unless they didn't know about the Fall Point in the Ruins when they wrote this.

Then again, if there once was an ancient pre-Asgore civilization trapped behind a Barrier.. it means that civilization found a way to break it, somehow.

And if it was by collecting human souls, somehow the human world also survived the breakout.