Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20190617222636/@comment-26006155-20190721050523

Ambassador:

It is odd that the glyph writers said there were no entrances or exits. When Asgore's people came from an opening near where New Home was later build, and traveled all the way to the far side of the cavern because they were afraid of further human attacks.

If what the glyphs say was true, then it should be impossible for humans to attack, and the monsters should have nothing to fear. Then again, if the glyphs are to be taken literally, there's no way that Asgore's people could have arrived here themselves.

The Underground has a deeper history than just back to The War of Humans and Monsters. The Waterfall Statue, for example, with an origin lost to time. Yet Gerson can remember first-hand when the Barrier was created. That statue pre-dates even him.

Could it be that another Barrier was cast.. and broken.. earlier in time?

I think the part where a Powerful Soul can freely enter and leave the Barrier is an important detail. And one the mosnters were aware of.

That's why they were still worried about human attacks, even after the Barrier was created. And why they also knew that a human and monster soul combined together could pass throught the barrier.

Wouldn't it have been better if the mages just made the Barrier.. impassible? That you had to shatter it to go through it?

Unless, again, they wanted the loophole in place. Because the mages themselves had powerful enough SOULs to make the crossing, and threaten the monsters on the other side.

Why didn't the Six Humans get the same treatment as Chara?

Well, they must have arrived after Chara's death, when Asgore's decree was in place. That all humans must die so their souls could be collected.

There could be different eras of history at work, with more than one barrier. There have certainly been different generations of Boss Monsters if the method of how their SOUL energy transfers to the offspring is known, although Asgore and Toriel seem to have been King and Queen from even before the Barrier.

Just because Gaster had access to amazing technology, doesn't mean he freely shared it with everyone.

If my theory of his Fail Safe plan to prevent monsters from destroying humanity is true, he'd have plenty of reasons for keeping most of it close to his chest.

So it would take monsters some time after his death to decypher and

Even if the Capital was in the Ruins, there still had to be a monster presense elsewhere in the Underground. Monsters still needed to explore The Garbage Dump, after all, to get modern human tech.

I think The Ruins acted more like the Castle Keep that people could retreat to in times of danger, than where they literally spent every waking hour.

If the Glyphs describe an earlier migration that visited Snowdin and Waterfall and Hotland for the first time.. this again might be evidence of an earlier era of history that happened before Asgore's people were sealed.

Good eye in that some of the history books are missing.

When I say something is "weirdly specific", it's when the artist makes a point in reminding us about some detail that doesn't seem important at first.

Like how the First Order's stormtroopers all started training as little kids who have no memory of where they actually came from. There's no way this isn't a plot hook.

Undertale tells us that only burrowing creatures and ghosts can defy Toriel's locked door and enter the ruins under their own power. Which is why Napstablook and Flowey are able to make that trip.

But why give us this information? What other puzzle does this information fit into?

It tells us that a ghost like Gaster could also freely visit The Ruins. Something that I think is very, very important to know with the epidemic of Fallen Down monsters happening.

The monster population, which still somewhat small if killing 20 monsters clears up a lot of room, defintiely seems to be growing.

And New Home looks a lot larger than Home/The Ruins.

The trick is figuring out just how old the ancient Waterfall Glyphs are.

If Sans and Gaster already knew the full nature of The Anomaly, why did they have to travel to another dimension in order to study it? A trap that ultimately saw them trapped behind The Barrier, which appearently can stop a normal human.

If Sans knew the Anomaly attached itself to an earlier version of him... wouldn't not taking the trip solve the entire problem?

Sans knew that timelines were stopping and starting, and then ending. But he didn't know why.

Toriel would know if Sans was Frisk, if she was able to see his face. But so far, nobody else has seen his face, except perhaps Gaster and Papyrus.

The snails and birds probably did count as monsters. And perhaps harvesting SOULS from them might have helped break the Barrier.

But remember that Alphy's attempts at harvesting monster souls are in their infancy. He tried getitng them from Fallen Down monsters, and it didn't work. She's yet to retrieve a single SOUL.

And regardess of what types of monster exist, the Waterfall Glyphs would still apply.

I think we still have many questions about how SOULs and essense work. Although something of Asriel certainly did live on inside Flowey.