Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20181123023529/@comment-32182236-20181123161214

"Ambassador, Undertale specifies that the creepy voice Frisk hears in the True Lab Elevator is one he's never heard before."

It's Asriel's voice. The soundbytes match perfectly with Asriel's patterns when they're in their Hyperdeath form. And yes, I know Asriel is still Flowey at one point, but we know he CAN still use Asriel's voice in this form:He does so at the end of the Genocide Route when he begs Chara not to kill him, this time, in Asriel's child form. The call says you'll meet him soon, and you DID meet Asriel. The pieces were in place.

By the way, how was this supposed to prove Flowey wasn't the one that made the elevator fall? It's not like there's evidence those two people are the same.

"Gaster's invisible touch also permiates most of Undertale in the background. It's between True Lab entires 16 and 18 that Gaster's Lab Entry 17 should appear, which talks about a very dark experiment. Filed been 16 ("no No NO NO NO NO") and 18 ("The Flower's Gone")."

Alphys has her own Entry 17, explaining what happened to create the Amalgamtes. Gaster's Entry 17, therefore, was in a different set entirely. Further evidence of this is that her entries begin AFTER she became the Royal Scientist, which means that even Entry 1 was after Gaster's fall, and thus, after Gaster's 17th and presumably final entry.

"So Flowey may actually be one of Gaster's experiments, and have a more complex backstory than we know."

..How? The explanation we get with Dr. Alphys is sensible enough. Can you show how it wouldn't make sense for Flowey to just be a flower injected with determination, with Asriel's essence living on inside it, making Asriel become that flower? Or how something appears to be missing?