Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-32182236-20190920194329/@comment-33883848-20190924170217

"Monsters don't have as much determination as humans do. And determination is your will to change fate. But it can also mean firmness of purpose."

How is the "firmess of purpose"related to hate at all ? Hate isnt determination,hate is hate.

"Why is it as simple as throwing a stick for the dogs to leave their very important job of killing a human, to play a game of fetch?"

Man that's a DOG,of course they prefer to play

"Second, the humans haven't done anything to these monsters DIRECTLY, except for Asriel, and that is why Asgore declared war. Even still, the monsters seem to understand that the humans reasonably thought that Asriel had killed Chara."

Yet they are "hyped for their destruction"and humans have killed THOUSAND and THOUSAND of monsters and trapped them in the undeground for milenia

"There are plenty of reasons why Chara would hate humanity while the monsters no longer do."

No.There's NO reasons.Monsters live in peace with humans on the surface meaning that they can be kind too and Frisk kinda showed them that humans can be good too in pacifist run.And remember that Frisk is not "special"or an angel,they are just a random human kid.

"And let's remember that Undyne already loves one aspect of humanity-Their "history"."

And what does prove that Chara hate EVERYTHING about humanity ? Why would they read human books then and like flowers planted by them ?

"The power to reset is the power that WE'VE been fighting to stop, not Chara. And we were the ones that made friends with the monsters, not Chara. So it only makes sense that he's talking to Frisk. Yet, he calls them Chara, and speaks of Frisk in the third-person. So he's attributing Frisk's actions to Chara. He BELIEVES he's talking about Chara, but it was really Frisk who did all that. Because when two people share a body, it's impossible to tell which member of the duo is doing a certain action-They'd both look identical-The body moves to do the action."

Yet he figured our that it was Frisk who was fighting him,it's seems like he's refering to the fact that Chara fought alongside Frisk to stop this power,helping them.

'If Frisk loved them so much, they wouldn't have killed them all. They're just like Flowey at this point-Seeing everything as a bunch of information. Data. Like a game."

I mean in pacifist run,they definitely care about them.They even ask Flowey why he captured them all before his fight,implying that they are worried for them.And unlike Flowey,Frisk has a soul and thus the ability to love.

"No, but those innocent monsters still deserve to live! "

I know,i never said otherwise.I was trying to find logic behind Chara's actions.Yes,what Chara doing is awfull and cant be justified in any way.It's just that for them killing Frisk's beloved ones,preventing them to live with them hapily ever after is the best consequences and punishment.

"But if Chara doesn't think that these monsters are innocent.. Then it makes PERFECT sense why Chara killed them."

So...just because they arent inocent,they would kill them ?? what avout themselves ?? Why dont they kill themselves as they arent inocent ? Do they believe that they are a saint ?? And in this case,why dont they kill frisk's friends in souless neutral endings but ONLY in the happy ending ? To me it seems like Chara wants to take away Frisk's happy ending as they dont deserve it.I know others deserve but all they are is showing Frisk that they arent above consequences as Frisk showed they are by recreating the world that was destroyed because of them "But you cannot accept it.You think you're above consequences".

Again,i'm not trying to justify Chara's action here,i just want go find an understable motivation for them