Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20190617222636/@comment-32182236-20190721123543

Ok, the line about the monsters not having magic does jar a bit. Aren't they supposed to be the only ones that do?

Apparently this was something worth noting by the monsters who wrote this glyph. So even then, having magic was natural.. But now, they didn't have it. ... so not all monsters have magic?...

Asgore named the Kingdom of Monsters, so he was the first monster king. He lead the move to New Home. If the king had magic to light it up for them, the rest of them wouldn't need magic if they followed Asgore's light.

What probably happened is that the monsters used up all their magic in the war, and it'd be a long time until they got any magic back. They were beaten, hurt, and fearful for their lives by the time they surrendered. Back to the "Without candles or magic to guide them Home, the monsters used crystals to navigate" part. It does sound like this glyph refers to the original trip the monsters took to The Ruins/Home.

Exactly. But it was in past-tense, so it would have been written in the trip to New Home.

Although even after New Home was established, they're still using these crystals to light this dark segment.

So one could say that monsters simply don't have magic to help illuminate this place, but do have magic for other things? (As you can still get monster encounters there)

We're assuming that all the WaterFall Glyphs were written at the same time, but I don't think that's a safe assumption to make.

Even if we drop that assumption, we know that this particular glyph was written during the move to New Home, and there is no visible difference between this one and the one described as "ancient". It's still ancient.

The same glyphs that claim "there are no entrances or exists to this cursed place" also talk about the monsters fleeing a potential human threat.. that should be impossible if the humans have no way in.

Did you get Part 1 of Monster History mixed up with the glyphs? Monster History, Part 1 is a book. Not a glyph. (Or are you referencing something else?) The Waterfall Statue shows this Underground has a history that stretches even before The War of Humans And Monsters. There's history down here that not even Asgore's Kingdom fully understands.

Perhaps a human built the statue, when they were preparing Mt. Ebott for the monsters?

The Barrier was created as a result of the monsters surrendering to the humans. It could have been the goal of the war from the very beginning. The condition for surrendering. In that case, they would have picked the mountain ahead of time, and made sure that it was suitable for all types of monsters. They need a mountain with all the possible biomes. So they probably went in the mountain before the war, to see if Mt. Ebott was a good place to banish the monsters to.

We just dated that Chara fell after New Home was built, so her arrival happened after Gaster. And that Gaster arrived at a time when Toriel already had a camcorder

Yes. And the move to New Home was also after Gaster. By the time Chara fell, the knowledge may have already been known. But the question I was aiming to answer was: "What made the monsters not afraid of the humans anymore"?

You're right in that the monsters and their misspelled Librarby don't seem awestrikingly bright if left to their own devices. Which is why reverse-engineering human tech was so important to them.

But they can't reverse-engineer the tech if they're stuck in a state where they don't even know what reverse-engineering even is! Give them a modern phone, and they might just think it's a toy. So Chara definitely arrived in the modern era. An era that wasn't too far away.

...How does Chara arriving after Gaster's recruitment as the Royal Scientist put them in the modern era? Gaster was the one responsible for revolutionizing monster tech.