Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31371445-20170222233857/@comment-27136653-20171225144315

TheHumanAmbassador wrote: "They does have not only justice and kindness all the time regardless of chosen path, but possesses full spectrum of traits much wider than that short list I have written above."

There's only 7 traits. Or 8, if you count white/magic. No more than that.

Also, these traits can fluctuate. Frisk's determination has been proven to fluctuate, because at one point, they have less than six human SOULs with of determination (Omega Flowey), and in another, they have more than six human SOULs worth of determination (Asriel). They likely lost their kindness when they went on Genocide, in the scenario where they do Genocide after Pacifist (I was thinking more along the lines with starting with Genocide, though)

"Obviously, they still need a Mind to logically put that entire effort to good use, to determine the purpose of their actions and Free Will to start doing anything. In other words, they need a fully operational Soul."

They do need Free Will, the freedom to act, determination.. But, they don't need a SOUL. Flowey does just fine without one. =) What they really need is "essence". Chara doesn't need a SOUL either, as they can act as a phantom without one. Human essence is very well a thing, just like monster essence, and it is there where mental identity lies within. Combine that with determination, the will to live, the will to act, and you get life. SOUL or no SOUL.

I do agree Frisk has multiple traits, but to say that they ALWAYS have an equal number of all the traits combined would be to reduce them from being the trait of determination to simply a big mess of traits. Although Frisk can have the other traits, and always has at least some of them, they're always more abundant in determination than anything else. Otherwise they wouldn't be a red-SOULed human. True, there's only 7 traits, and the ball game proved that there can only be 7, no more.

Maybe Frisk's DT can fluctuate (when at new home, the message doesn't read that we're filled with determination), but definitely not as much as you're saying. After all, it wasn't DT that defeated Omega Flowey and Asriel. It was the souls rebelling and us reminding Asriel of his true self respectively. And yes, it is a bit strange that we couldn't die during his battle, but that doesn't prove we were more powerful than him. Merely that we were able to withstand magical injuries which brought us below 1 HP. A froggit could do that.

Also, it's meaningless to talk about kindness, patience, etc in the context that you're talking about them. The traits have been proven to exist for Frisk only during battles - when a specific soul mode is active.

I agree with you on essense. An essence is the culmination of one's consciousness. Kill it and you turn off their brain - ergo, death. A soul is just an icing on the cake, allowing one to be determined, to have magic, etc.

Lastly, what proof is there that they have any other trait in them besides whatever makes their soul red in a non-100% quantity? What proof is there that a composition of a soul isn't strictly unary? E.g. 1-patience 0-everything else. I mean, if these were actual personality traits then maybe. Humans ARE a mix of traits. But they are also a mix of more than 7. So these cannot be personality traits.

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