Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31981697-20170722123329/@comment-32182236-20170820125102

2)Asriel's in his hyperdeath form the same way he's in his regular "true" form. Whatever power he was using to maintain his form for a short while, he could have used here. Also, I have an explanation of the dog room that doesn't break canon-Since it takes place at the same time as the rest of Undertale, the future, the dog is simply making a game that's not Undertale, but one of the future games! The dog shrine, who knows, maybe Toby made Papyrus' cabinet into a shortcut like Sans. (The shrine happened for real once in Japan, mentioned in the Japanese FAQ)

3)...No comment here.

3.3)I also consider LV0 to mean no data. In fact, this is proving my point. Chara's SAVE data did NOT latch onto Frisk, as otherwise, Chara's LV would be there, not LV0. Frisk and Chara have separate stats, and the SAVE file has nothing to do with that, as even before that first save, you can still see that your LV is 1. There are also dashes where the place that you SAVED would be, as you never SAVED before..

3.5)The way attack damage works is that the system takes what your ATK is, compares it to the foe's DEF, and also takes into account how close to the center of the line you hit, and calculates the damage that way. I didn't notice any offset of randomness that couldn't be explained by the fact we hit closer to, or further away from the center. If Chara hit the best spot each time, they'd get the maximum damage.

Also, I stand against Chara's level of violence depending on us, and use this damage as evidence that Chara has killed! And Chara couldn't have destroyed the "game". That would make Undertale being a game, and the whole code stuff canon. So we'd get Glitchtale, except for the fact that Betty doesn't exist. And we'd have to ask why Chara didn't just hack our LV.

3.6)You can't interact with something that doesn't exist. And no, you don't have a real explanation for Sans' special attack. There you're just saying it's some meta representation.. And giving no explanation from the overworld perspective. How about I use an analogy to show you where you're messing up here. Let's say there are two possible theories-Classical physics and quantum physics. On the grounds that quantum physics is completely weird (hey, it really is, superposition, quantum foam), you've completely disresgarded it for the time being. Then, experiments seem to actually support quantum mechanics, and each and every one of them, half-baked explanations are given, saying we're seeing things incorrectly, superposition represents us not knowing where something is.. And then there's the double-slit experiment, which your explanation would simply be as simple as:"A wizard did it". At this point, all the evidence is suggesting that there is a HUD, and you're disregarding it on the grounds that it's "weird", and claiming they'll all some metaphor, not even explaining Sans' special attack from an overworld perspective.

Whether Frisk is speaking without our permission, or Chara's just making false assumptions that have nothing to do with what we selected is something we're discussing in another point. I stand by the statement that Frisk does NOT act without us! Chara can act without us, but not Frisk.

3.7)That would imply that WE are ghosts. We can hear the narrator. And humans like Frisk are NOT ghosts! And Aaron, not a ghost, response with "CHECK all you want", meaning they're aware of the checking feature.. But HOW? My explanation is this:They're aware of the narrator checking for Frisk, and deduces the feature from that. Also, they're not just hiding their stats, they're also feeding FALSE stats! Once again, Glyde's DEF is -20. That's not "high". Asriel's ATK is 8. That's not infinity, or 9999 like his HP and DEF.

You say it's nonsensical? ...Look, I stand by the theory that Chara is the narrator. So, give me an example of a point in the game that, if this was a tabletop RPG, we'd say Chara's player just broke character.

4.1)Not my very much though. The shape does vary, but the height stays pretty consitent.

4.2)We. Chose. MERCY! We had the chance to kill him right there, and we didn't! Now, if we chose FIGHT, that half I actually agree with your explanation. But with MERCY, Flowey was toying with us!

4.6)Once again, no cherrypicking! The line where she mentions giving a spear is Undyne's 2nd line, while the one where she explains it's fair is her fourth. The third line separates the two from each other, where she yells at you to JUST FACE UPWARDS!! Not facing upwards is when she explains that she wanted it to be fight. She also said she doesn't care anymore, and gives you a super hard attack, giving up at explaining the rules. She doesn't care about it being a fair fight anymore.. And that's her response. Therefore, she MUST be talking about you knowing how to actually USE the shield. We need to look at the statements in context!

4.10)Toby has confused us many times. He tricked us into thinking the game happens in the present (This is probably why 201X was emphasized in the first place), that we're Chara, and plenty more plot twists! Why can't this be another plot twist? Besides, the monsters using a different calendar because of being isolated from humans would actually make things a bit more realistic as well!

4.11)Why would he be suprised? Humans have fallen underground before that Flowey's aware of, like Chara, and he knows about Asgore having captured six humans, as he wants them for himself, and Asgore never showed them to him.

The only reason why the menu is there is because that's when Frisk first gained the ability to SAVE. They had to set up their SAVE file, after all, and start their new adventure! In Waterfall, Frisk has a memory of Asriel, proving that they have Chara's memory, so them seeing Chara falling underground isn't all that far-fetched!

"That's where you're wrong"-That's where your statement is complete bogus. If we can allow the game to be a nonsense like that, then we can also say that Frisk and Chara are one and the same, that Asriel isn't Flowey, and basically any bad theory we want, saying that it doesn't have to make sense every time you bring up counter-evidence. There'd be nothing to theorize about since we could disregard any and all evidence like you disregarded Sans. If it's in the game, it's evidence. Once again, we can't cherry-pick evidence, else we can make any ridiculous theory ever. We can even say that Sans is Ness this way, the same way MatPat did. What, bones are organic material? So what, it's Sans, he doesn't have to make sense!

Toby had much more time to work on the game than we had to theorize it. And there's always patches.

The electromagnetic field is the aether we've been looking for. Without it, light would suffer a similar fate to sound in a vaccum.

Well, let's go back to Einstien vs Newton, when gravity is involved.. As the Newton vs Einstien was my example, it was you who suggested aether was batter.

4.13)Indeed they do. The problem here is that if the other SOULS are as determined as Frisk is, then they wouldn't just give up if Frisk didn't either. We have to treat them as we would with Friak, just adding on whatever trait they carry. Law of transitionals, if A>B, and B>C, then A>C. Same thing if A=B. Asgore is C, Frisk is B, and the other SOULS is A. So, everyone should be able to beat Asgore, not just Frisk. Either that or we should fail to beat Asgore.

5)Once again, you're cherry-picking. We need to stop the cherry-picking! Chara narrated both a heckle AND a statment. They both narrated a heckle, and that you called them ugly, which is NOT a heckle. What we disagree with is calling them ugly, as that's not a part of the option that we selected. So no, the theory's not debunked! We just need to look at the FULL story!

You can still attempt to fight the Amalgamates, though their determination will stop the, from being damaged somehow. So even at the True Pacifist, Frisk is not somehow cut off from fighting. It's just fighting has no effect on Asriel and the Amalgamtes, and there's no more random encounters. Asgore getting sick is also sad, and Chara laughed it off. Chara said tears ran across our face, as if we were crying. But "Cry" isn't a part of the option. Therefore, we didn't do that. Chara was wrong about us crying. Every time, we do what the option says, but not additional added-on things that have nothing to do with the option we chose like Chara would assume.

Not all the time, though. The button also doesn't appear in the first one of those gaps.

6)Context is important. Chara spoke that your power brought them back, and that their human SOUL and determination were both yours, as how you did it. And this "other evidence" is what we're discussing right now! Here's my reasoning as to why it's literally impossible-The law of transitionals.. Wait, I already explained that in 4.13, didn't I?