Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31371445-20170222233857/@comment-31536324-20180902180736

Side note for ignoramuses: a minimum DT treshold is also present in addition to the said rule.

Still doesn't change the fact that there's no evidence of a monster having the ability. You're also trying to use FANON to explain CANON, which automatically debunks this point. The only rule stated for S/L/R is that you have to be the most determined being, the one with the most DT.

"Alright. We presume the characters audibly talk to Frisk. That they've all got their own voices, instead of speaking in a "trrrrrrrrrrrr"-sounding text. The reason we see it so however, is because once again, the game translates it to us. And that means it needs to stay consistent with its other translations, nominally, translating a fluid battle into a turn-based one. And to do that, it sometimes needs to change what the characters say a little."

So your answer is Meta. How does this explain Sans "Special Attack"? How does this explain his explanation? How does this explain that entire situation? How does this explain the line in the game that disproves the whole "world turns black and white in a fight" thing? How does this explain the battle system? How does this explain the narrations? How does this explain the descriptions whenever you choose CHECK? How does this explain Sans hint about the Blue SOUL Mode?

Tell me, how.

"There is no DT flux and there never has been for no human being ever. There is proof that DT doesn't fluctuate and the proof of the contrary has been discredited. Sheesh, can you even begin to fathom my absurd patience with you? Both of you?"

So, nothing, nothing is your proof. Glad to see you finally admit that, because I have seen none of this so called "proof".

You also contradict yourself here. DT clearly fluctuated with Undyne, and both the Omega Flowey and GoHD fights show that it's possible for a human, because in the latter it's literally the exact same situation!

A psychopath is threatening to destroy everything you know and love, and you're the only one that can stop them. Undyne gets her Undying form, and Frisk gets the ability to REFUSE. It's not that hard to grasp, the proof and evidence is there.

"Not if the souls are being used as a metric."

How does that matter?

"Malice said nothing about blue. Remember the reply chain."

I did, reread my post.

"Luck doesn't count. Proof: replicate the result. That's what scientists do when they encounter unusual data. And this game does involve luck. You can consistently get red only if you train intensively. And if you train intensively, you are bound to get all the other traits. And ultimately, this implies you not only struggle, but also start over after struggling, continuing your metaphorical search."

Scientists also scrap their work if it's proven to be wrong after constant retries, or if the data is flawed. You have failed to show how our data is flawed, you just keep trying to add faulty data to make it flawed. Our data is STRICTLY what the game gives us, and neither we or you have found nothing that actually contradicts it.

"Quite the opposite. Red being determination has already been sufficiently disproven, even if not officially confirmed yet, that it may as well be the new accepted truth, kinda like Chara being the narrator."

What proof do you have of this? I see no proof. As far as I'm concerned you're spouting nonsense here. You're really bad at this if you can't even back up your claims.

"And with turns, I'm just showing an alternative interpretation, one that would be compatible with the overworld. Toby may have said that turns are canon, but did he ever provide a consistent explanation?"

Oh, so you ARE disregarding canon! Nice to see that you finally admit that.

"That's what I'm missing here. I don't understand turns in light of the overworld mechanics, and I don't understand the overworld mechanics in light of the HUD."

They're naturally occuring laws and principles of the world of Undertale - that are unique to it to boot. No other RPG incorporates the elements of an RPG into the world of the game like Undertale does. That is something unique to it and it's universe. The HUD, Battle System, and Turns are like our gravity, photosynthesis, and the fact that we exist, in our universe. If you want to find a scientific way of explaining them, go ahead, I'm not opposed to it. But you have to accept that they're naturally occuring things in this world.

They're treated as natural things, so we are to take them AS natural things.

"Composite soul it is then. Thanks for cementing it for me."

Except, by your logic, Omega Flowey had a composite SOUL. And since he didn't have to do that for Frisk at the time, that proves that he had more DT, and that your rule about composite souls is false. Frisk still had to beat him to get the ability back at that time, and he had to do the same in the GoHD fight because we still had more DT than him.