Thread:Seralyna/@comment-5956954-20180510094348/@comment-5956954-20180511031734

The names were changed by Toby out of respect for the fact that they had transitioned and do not want to be reffered to by their old names. Can you provide a source for this, please? Myself and many other transgender people are extremely uncomfortable with people being reffered to, and having people know our old names. Unfortunately, for the sake of maintaining an encyclopedic value of the dotpoint, it needs to be comprehensive to educate people and leave them with as few questions as possible. For example, you kept the dotpoint that the names were changed. However, people will question what names were changed, what they were changed to, and so on. It is public information no matter what, so hiding it will likely cause a Streisand effect.

If a source is not provided to me that Toby Fox changed the names out of respect for the individuals and the individuals chose Toby Fox to speak for them, then this will be considered a personal preference that does not merit committing information. I think it is not a small leap to assume that if these people asked to have the name changed in game, they would prefer for it to be relativley hard for people to see those old names. If this is not a testimony from them that this is the case, then this appears to be you speaking for them. If you have their consent to have you speak for them instead of themselves if other sources cannot be provided, then this will be accepted. If I do not, then the edit is not warranted. As for "censorship", I do not believe that it is censoring anything, simply respecting the wishes and privay of the people involved. The wiki is not associated with these people nor Toby Fox or Undertale. It is a site owned by FANDOM made by the fans to document the subject and those affiliated. The wiki intends to document what is available and legal to display, meaning usernames like this are allowed no matter what but not real names (unless consented), phone numbers, or other personally-identifying or defaming records. Since the individuals are using nicknames, for educational purposes, the names are listed as being on the page or not does no harm unless it is given this connotation when forming the Streisand effect. There is no pratical use for the information to be used for that I can imagine, and as such I dont think much is missed by not including it on the page. If this is the case, then there are two options. Either the dotpoint is given the names back, or the dotpoint is removed. The latter option does more harm than good because it is removing what has been changed in the new version of Undertale for personal reasons that are not explained or cited in the dotpoint. The former option might offend people, but it is appropriate to include so the list is complete and comprehensive.

I apologize if my opposing stance on your decision is intimidating. My purpose is to find out with you what the best objective course of action should be made in regards to this edit. Personal opinion and feelings should not determine what is kept on a wiki or not, especially if it is simply changing their names. This level of care is only applied to pages that detail the biography of the person such as Toby Fox or Temmie Chang where it is extremely important to use credible sources and a neutral point of view. Omitting information without an explanation on the page or a citation to those wanting this removal will make people questions "what names were changed/changed to" and add it back, meaning the wiki is back to square one. If the dotpoint is removed entirely, then it ruins the point of the "version differences" page and the educational purpose of the wiki.