Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31981697-20170722123329/@comment-32182236-20170830112033

1)Same way that he's still Asriel when we go all the way back to the Ruins to find him at the flowers.

2)The dog is Toby's AVATAR, similar to how Frisk can be OUR avatar. Toby himself has stated that the dog who absorbed the artifact was HIM, and the trailer shows the dog as Toby Fox. However, the dog room itself reveals that it's not an accurate representation of Toby, as the dog's the reason for most bad internet comments.

3)So, why are we still using DJ disks in the 22nd century? And I didn't mean an exhaust pipe, we wouldn't see the pipe, as we're not viewing it from the correct angle. I mean the hole that you put the gas in when you're pumping in gas-THAT we csn see. (And Papyrus just leaves it open. Well, it DOES fit his goofy character.)

4)The battle interface is undoubteldy the HUD. But that's not the only part of the HUD. The definition of "HUD" is "head-up display". So all those interfaces? They're all the HUD. Also, from the world's perspective, Frisk is the only one seeing their own menus. The menu would be in front of them, and they're the ones choosing the option.

If Flowey didn't destroy the SAVE box, making the "File deleted" dialouge appear, I too would consider SAVE as nothing computer-like. Speaking of which, that's evidence the menu is canon-That too has been affected by Flowey when he steals our ability to SAVE. We also can't Reset, we're forced to Continue.

5)The inscriptions only say that it was hardly a war. And a war where no human is killed and their SOUL taken is hardly a war. Doesn't mean the battle wasn't long. If there is a contradiction here, that means the monsters got their history wrong, or are making themselves seem weaker than they really are... Is this propaganda? I'm going with what the intro said, because the intro gives us an objective view, instead of just something monsters speculated. But, as I said before, I don't see any contradiction-It was a long battle, but could hardly be called a war, as there were no humans killed.

6)..."Refuses to give more details about its statistics". That implies the monsters had to GIVE us their stats the other times, as the CHECK failed when the monsters refused to do so. Therefore, the monsters themselves are the ones telling Chara the stats. Which means they have to know Chara exists. Flowey too is aware of the narrator, they just don't think it's Chara, and ended up calling Chara a sicko.

7)We don't see both an interference pattern and not see one. Whether an interference pattern occurs or not depends on whether we observe, and nothing more. Why does the simple act of observing the particle change its very behavior?

I pick that we DO have the HUD. And.. can I see some examples of said times where Frisk acts without out command? (Chara and Frisk share the SAVE, and Chara acts without Frisk, so some occurances like the cutscenes can be attributed to Chara instead of Frisk.)

8)The HUD only tells us what the monsters' name is at that one point in time. The names can change. The letters are there to prevent two monsters from having the same name, which would be forbidden, just as naming yourself Sans would be. This is also why it's not forbidden to name yourself something like "Loox", as none of the monsters are actually named "Loox", they're named "Loox A", ect..

9)Glitches can only exist if the universe is code. And here I thought Sans afforded the rent by having 2-4 jobs at the same time. But.. That works too, since the currency is gold, he wouldn't be found out counterfeiting.

Something interesting about the snow:One of the monsters in the "illegal" hotstand actually acknwoledge that there's snow on the stand, but aren't in the least bit suprised. Instead, they just comment that Sans is too lazy to clean it off..

10)Then why doesn't he use that ability.. Like, at all? The reason why we took the tower when he was Asriel and not when he was Omega Flowey.. Well, it probably was a similar event to Undyne coming back to life-Our determination had been boosted for that period of time, as we knew wophat would happen if he won..

11)We have plenty if evidence she did know a lot of things, and her not calling this determination "SOUL power", that can be explained if SOUL power and determination truly were two different things. Also, the reason why we have more determination is because we have more physical matter to hold it. Also, the book stated that humans can't represent themselves using magic. They can still use magic all the same, that's why "seven of their greatest magicians" sealed them underground. The intro flat-out calls it a "magic spell". So some humans CAN use magic, but it's quite rare-Either learning to use magic is a hard thing to do, or only a special kind of human can do it.. I'll be like Asgore and call them.. "Boss Humans".

12)He merely declared war against the humans. Nothing was mentioned about seven SOULs yet.

13)They didn't. They disagreed and said they didn't CRY, and didn't call Snowdrake's mother ugly. Neither of those things match the option stated. Chara made a baseless assumption, and was corrected.

14)Actually, that's not my only evidence. Remember that Frisk and Chara save the SAVE file. That means they ALSO share the power to SAVE (hm, maybe the two being bound together is how Frisk can be the most determined human on all of Earth, since they have the power of not one, but TWO SOULs! That would explain resetting on the Surface.) and LOAD, and RESET. Chara makes use of this power to bring back the world that was destroyed at the end of a Genocide Run. Flowey's just stating the facts here. In the Pacifist Run, he's talking to Frisk, not "the player". Frisk has the power to reset and get a better ending. And when does he mention us on the overworld? If you mean the sicko who just stands around and watches it happen, I already explained why that's probably the narrator, something we're discussing more in Point 7.

Yes, the player and Frisk are in fact interchangable. This is why I originally said that we ARE canonically Frisk, as you can swap the player and Frisk with no real change in the story. But it's more accurate to say we're roleplaying Frisk. Either way, yes, the two are interchangeable. Frisk has all the "powers" we do, except for literally hacking the game, as the world being a game isn't canon.. Flowey once had the role of "The Player" as well, but we were never roleplaying Flowey-He just had the same powers a player would. Either way, Flowey in the Pacifist Ending was talking to Chara. And we don't see anything but him, because this scene was in first-person. So is the battle screen, actually.