Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-32182236-20171213151556/@comment-27136653-20171214223019

"Their prior knowledge proves they did this before."

 I don't see any motive though.

 " Vegetoid's description is "Not monitored by the USDA.""

United states of what exactly? I can make up a land called xxxx, divide it into 5 fictional countries, then unite them and call that the united states of xxxx.

"A Celtic is a Celtic."

Does the game refer to the humans as "Celts?" It fucking does not. This is all just your headcanon. Actually, if this entire post was meant to be a fanon timeline, then just say it right away, I'll immdiately stop commenting.

"I meant like SEVERAL DECADES after, with Gaster as the Royal Scientist. And if the war did happen in 3000BC, that means there was a 5000-year gap, placing Chara's fall around 600-900 years after the war, giving the monsters much more time."

So your headcanon is, that Gaster is thousands of years old, and he definitely knew what to do in order to create modern-day technology; he surely wasn't attempting any alchemy. Nice. Keep going.

"<span style="font-weight:400;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">Chara doesn't have a bed in the Ruins"

<p style="font-weight:400;"> I have always told myself that they slept together with Asriel. But I have to be honest, I said this only to find out what your counter argument for this will be, as I am slowly starting to lean towards the possibility that Chara never truly lived in the Ruins too.

<p style="font-weight:400;">But I don't believe that <span style="font-weight:400;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">Asriel travelled from New Home all the way to the back end of the Ruins all by himself for no apparent reason whatsoever. At the very least, his parents would have to be with him. And what would he even be looking for in there, right?

<p style="font-weight:400;"><span style="font-weight:400;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">This is why I've constructed the following headcanon:

<p style="font-weight:400;"> Chara fell around the time when everyone was already departing to the New Home. The Dreemurr family was the last one left out of those that wanted to depart (which would actually be a very likely scenario - the highest officials departing last) and Asriel wanted to say goodbye to that place or something, and that's how he found Chara. And so he brought them to his parents, who then healed them and THEN they all departed to the New Home.

<p style="font-weight:400;">...

<p style="font-weight:400;">This headcanon of course doesn't account for that one line stating that Asriel brought Chara to the New Home all by himself, but I think that that specific line is as much bs as saying that Asriel travelled to the Ruins all by himself. I think the monsters simply left out this slightly longer arc in order to make the spoken story shorter. No need to describe every detail, like who brought whom to whom, amirite?

<p style="font-weight:400;"> " <span style="font-weight:400;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">Chara must have fell after those plaques were written"

<p style="font-weight:400;"> The plaques also say that there are no entrances. Are you sure they were written shortly before Chara's arrival, and not when the monsters were still travelling from the Barrier to the area now-called the Ruins? Actually, no one could have written that without every crevice of the underground being explored. So that leads me to believe that those plaques were written when there truly was no hole yet, implying that even the hole  <span style="font-weight:400;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">through which Chara fell wasn't always there. This also means that the plaques are truly ancient, since why else would the mosnters bother with erecting traps and puzzles, if they didn't fear the humans?

<p style="font-weight:400;">So... all of this makes for a nice timeline: 1) The monsters are imprisoned. 2) They reach the end of the caverns and establish Home. 3) Some time passes. 4) The plaques are written. 5) The hole opens up and the monsters create a series of puzzles designed to halt any human that might pass through. 6) Long time passes and the monsters stop fearing humans. 7) The CORE is built and subsequently New Home. 8) Everyone departs, except for the Dreemurr family. Then Chara falls. 9) The Dreemurr family departs with Chara.

<p style="font-weight:400;">Your opinions?

<p style="font-weight:400;">"<span style="font-weight:400;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">My theory is now that Gaster built the Core as the monsters ventured through Hotland, but before they actually got to where New Home would be."

<p style="font-weight:400;"><span style="font-weight:400;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">So you're saying he built it in a week or something like that? I mean, getting through some place, albeit it being flooded with magma, is still probably much easier than constructing a friggin magical powerplant on top of that magma.

<p style="font-weight:400;"><span style="font-weight:400;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">" <span style="font-weight:400;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">They have VHS tapes in the 12th-13th century. Of course they're ahead in non-magical technology.. Or they made magical VHS tapes, that works too!"

<p style="font-weight:400;"> No one had any VHS tapes in the middle ages. And I see no reason to believe they would be that far ahead of humans in the non-magical tech anyways. I find it more believable that they were simply getting this tech from the dump.

<p style="font-weight:400;"> " <span style="font-weight:400;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">We know for sure SOMEBODY died in the Ruins <span style="font-weight:400;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">"

<p style="font-weight:400;"> Lay down on the floor and take a moment to contemplate why this statement is totally wrong.

<p style="font-weight:400;">"<span style="font-weight:400;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">Asgore needing a new scientist could just be interpreted as there being a massive void of no scientists"

<p style="font-weight:400;"> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B6gS2LPXdIc5emlRLU9zdHdpVnM

<p style="font-weight:400;"> It is quite explicitly stated that Asgore remembers Gaster and his brilliance.

<p style="font-weight:400;"> " <span style="font-weight:400;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">Undyne DID lose her eye, and the SOUL of Justice's gun is mysteriously empty, and SOMEONE had to try to teach Undyne how to cook"

<p style="font-weight:400;"><span style="font-weight:400;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">Training accident, all bullets were lost / used up, her parents.

<p style="font-weight:400;">"<span style="font-weight:400;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">I don't see a problem with striped shirts in the past."

<p style="font-weight:400;"><span style="font-weight:400;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">My problem is that you're stretching the timeline too much, while it's not necessary at all. Everything can be explained using the 100-year model (that is, that Chara fell roughly a century ago). You based your own model solely on probability. You refused to accept the fact that 8 kids falling down within one century and never before that is impossible. Well, guess what, it isn't. It's merely improbable. And besides, my idea isn't actually that far-fetched anymore. Remember what I said about the hole - that it probably wasn't always there. This would support the 100-year model, since without a hole, no one would fall down. What caused it to appear though? Well, there's magma in the underground, so maybe an earthquake. Maybe that's what demolished Home, maybe that was also one of the contributing reasons for the relocation to the New Home.

<p style="font-weight:400;"><span style="font-weight:400;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">"Gaster"

<p style="font-weight:400;"> I piss at your Deus ex machina. And besides, it wasn't just one discovery that led to the invention of cell phones and all that stuff. You must first establish telecommunications. And for that, you need electricity and also lots of background math. And for all of that, you need the industrial revolution to happen. "Gaster did it" is like saying "God did it".

<p style="font-weight:400;">"<span style="font-weight:400;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">Because the monsters would rather destroy humans' infrastructure and start from square one rebuilinding everything, rather than just keeping it around and claiming it as their own"

<p style="font-weight:400;"><span style="font-weight:400;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">So it was the monsters that killed all the humans... in the pacifist timeline... where... Dude. Maybe you should take a break. You're making less and less sense.

<p style="font-weight:400;"><span style="font-weight:400;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">" <span style="font-weight:400;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">Toby's tweets aren't canon."

<p style="font-weight:400;"><span style="font-weight:400;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">He only said that so that people wouldn't take his shitposts seriously. Since he shitposts often. And this tweet was kind of a joke too, since he appeared to be undecisive about the canonity of a bootleg nursery rhyme video featuring Sans's face. ALSO, remember when he corrected some person about what Undyne once said? ("PAST Asgore, not TO Asgore") <- or something like that. Well, the game did say that. So if his tweets aren't canon... then... do we have a paradox? Oh noes! Now what shall we do? Shall we disregard the canon information? OR PERHAPS THE TWEET?

<p style="font-weight:400;"><span style="font-weight:400;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">Hmm... tough choice indeed! :3