Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20181123023529/@comment-26006155-20181126184648

TheHumanAmbassador wrote: "And yet, when Flowey gives you the warning that only you can undo everyone's happiness.. he's being compassionate. Which means at the very least that he still had a soul in this scene, and a pure one that's been healed." Where's evidence he truly FEELS the compassion, and this isn't like when Asriel FIRST turned into Flowey, and was still good?

"We're talking about a human with cat ears, and magic powers. A hybrid? Is this how the 7 human mages were able to cast a magic spell to create The Barrier? They were monster hybrids?"

Or, you know, she likes anime so much. And romance. (Like with Undyne, for example..) Remember all those stories she made of herself and Undyne, living a domestic life? Sounds like fanfiction, doesn't it? She's your sterotypical anime fan-shipper.

"Deltarune, which is clearly a sequel, occurs in 202X."

Deltarune is not a sequel. It's a parallel world, where things happened differently. Kind of like the FNAF novels, actually.

Also, 202X is the earliest it could take place in. The manual was made in 202X, but that doesn't mean the game can't take place at a later date.

"Which means that the MTT foundtain couldn't have been a tribute to Asriel or Chara anyway, since the fountain was built in 201X."

Rules out Chara, but not Asriel. After all, the MTT statue's a tribute to Mettaton, and he's still alive! Same could be said about Asriel. Of course, it might have also just been a normal water fountain:A tribute to nobody.

"And Frisk's Undertale adventure is happening in 202X."

We don't know that. It's probably in 2XXX. The war happened in the Middle Ages, when Frisk comes down, we're at the modern era. Around a millenium has passed between those two events. Chara's the first to fall, Frisk is the last. Where on the timeline would the first human be most likely to fall, then?

Btw, the Gregorian calendar wasn't a thing during the war. Maybe the monsters use a different calendar than the humans do.

"This is why I'm reviewing everything. One missed detail could throw everything off."

True, very true. It is like when Asriel First turned into Flowey. Because now, he can feel compassion again. Because he's worried that your actions might cause suffering for everyone.

Again, these 4th-wall breaking conversations with Flowey happen outside the actual game. He's talking to the player directly. And it would completely defeat the entire tragic building up to what we thought was Asriel's fate if he immediately showed up as his non-faded self right after we witnessed the Truth Pacifist Ending.

Ambasador, the game is very clear, in multiple places, that the HUMANS cast the magic spell know as the Barrier. Something that should be impossible because Humans aren't able to use magic. Just like Steven Universe's Cookie Cat Song in the pilot, Alyph's repeated obsessions about Mew Mew Kissie Cutie, specifically, are something Tobyfox wrote into the script, and double down on. Alphys could have geeked out about many things.. but not, it's This Specific Show where a half-cat girl has magic powers. And something that would give us our only explaintion about how humans might be able to use magic.

This is hidden lore.

Whatever its origin, the monsters are clearly using the 20XX calendar, and that's consistent throughout the game.

Asriel and Chara offical died on the same night, long after Chara's arrival at The End of 201X in the "old calendar". Chara and Asriel did not die in 201X. But someone else did. And they were important enough to get a statue, but no so important as to having many object to that statue being replaced.

The only person in the royal circles we know who died during this time is Gaster.

And as I just pointed out, the present time is in 202X. But the fountain makes a point in telling both that the fountain was originally created in 201X, and that Mettaton was added "last week". We're a few months into 202X at the very least. This memorial was altered to be about Mettaton instead.