Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20181123023529/@comment-26006155-20181210201857

PersonThePerson wrote: Wow. This chapter really is long. Well, I'm going to ask a teensy-weensy little question.

What about Deltarune?

If Deltarune = AU and Frisk = Sans = Ness, how do you explain Sans' appearance in Deltarune? How, in this universe, did Ness/Frisk become Sans?

According to your Ness theory, Ness is Frisk. Meaning he didn't lose any organic material when he went through the Phase Distorter or whatever (i've never played earthbound). Which means that Sans should still be Frisk, because there was no way for Frisk to turn into Sans. If I've predicted the theory correctly, you think Frisk lost their skin (and not their bones) by going back in time after they bonked at the barrier. Of course I could be wrong, but you seem to be implying that Frisk became Sans in the Underground. Which never existed in Deltarune.

Does your timeline of events account for Sans traveling to Deltarune? He couldn't have gone to Deltarune before Undertale because there was no way of turning into Sans in Deltarune. So Sans traveled to Deltarune after Undertale. You can put that in your timeline, right? The whole part about Earthbound's Phase Distorer inevitably destroying flesh was actually debunked, in Earthbound itself. Pokey shows up just before the Giygas fight in his own time-traveling machine, looking as incredibly smug and grossly fleshy as ever, wielding what must be superior time-travel technology. Ness and friends never needed to do the FNAF robot-soul transfer thing in the first place. It's one of those great "Oh Shit!" moments from the game.

Doctor Andonuts does have a talent for creating monsters and turning people into them. Sometimes one has to wonder how often he tells the truth.

My current take on Deltarune is that it's an inversion of the setup from the first game. Instead of Chara attempting to possess Frisk, we're actually Frisk's soul (renamings not being used for a moment) that's possessing Chara. And the reason we can't change the story.. is that this is actually CHARA's story, telling the reason she ran away to the Underground in the first place. Which suggests Deltarune does have elements of a prequel.

However, Deltarune is also a sequel. Everyone's on the surface, the door to the Underground is locked, Sans has teleported both his house and Grillby's (as MatPat pointed out) to the surface, and even altered the original Snowdin sign, poorly.

The soul we're controlling DOES remember Sans, and has the option to say it's good to see him again. But this Sans doesn't remember Chara.. and says so. We have memories of Undertale, but they aren't Chara's memories, they're ours.

This is why single-stripe shirt Chara makes a point of tearing OUR HEART out of HER chest, and tossing it into a cage. This is her story, not ours.

And yet it's Chara's story.. being reenacted by monsters (the original town residents must have been humans) in the future.

It's almost like Gaster is forcing Frisk to relive Chara's memories in some twisted plot you might see in The Prisoner TV show. An effort to force him to undergo the same pain that cause Chara's soul to be compassion-damaged in the first place.

An effort to break Frisk.