Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20181123023529/@comment-26006155-20181218003241

Ambassador:

Glad to know you finally consider my perspective to be a thing of value for checking your own arguments.

Asgore is the original King because he’s immortal as long as he and Toriel don’t have a kid, and perfectly matches the King shown at the beginning of the game. Gerson the historian is very old, and remembers those times, and has no recollection of any other King during this time. There is no mention of a predecessor to Asgore anywhere in the game, so any such talk is speculation.

Again, Falling isn’t the only way someone can enter the Barrier. Anything can enter, the only restriction is leaving. Sans and Gaster could have blissfully warped into the Underground with the Silver Key Machine to check on the timeline disturbances, only to find they couldn’t leave as long as the Barrier was up.

Sans couldnt “eat” Gaster because they were both humans at the time, and Gaster’s shade couldn’t come back to haunt Sans and Frisk if someone had already eaten his soul. Something of shattered Gaster remains, his talking human head in a Follower’s hands. And it remembers what shattered him.. And WHO was responsible.

You said your catchphrase “NO EVIDENCE” again. You ought to know by now that that never works.

It doesn’t matter if Papyrus isn’t a scientist, he’s one of the Font Brigade, and follows Sans closely. Sans was certainly at the meeting with Gaster, a fellow human in hiding, and Gaster is the only one he could have traveled with on his quest to visit the Timeline Anomaly, since the others are native to the Underground. Sans is packing Gaster Blasters, and Papyrus would have one too if the Annoying Dog hadn’t stolen it. Asgore hired Alphys years later to replace Gaster, and the only reason she could build the Determination Extraction machine is because she found Gaster’s dusty blueprints where he left them. She learned Gaster’s secrets second-hand, not from Gaster himself.

Everything points to Gaster’s Darkest Experiment to being a turning point in the story. It’s the one clear point, conveyed through secret Lab Entry 17, where we can definitively nail down exactly what both Alphys and Gaster were doing in the exact place along both of the parallel timelines. Gaster askes Sans and Papyrus what they think of his experiment.. And then POOF.. no more Gaster. I think Gaster and Sans had a MAJOR disagreement. And since Papyrus couldn’t hurt a fly, Sans would have been the one to stop the experiment, and cause Gaster’s “accident”. Which is why Gaster has been hounding Frisk ever since. And why Sans has a high Level of Violence.

How can Sans be a remnant of Gaster when they were both in the same room before Gaster was shattered? Sans remembers what happened because he was there, and kept all his memories when he traveled to the past to try and make a better future. Sans, as a human, also retains the ability to remember details between runs of the game. Just like Flowey can. But Asgore can’t.

I’ve already exhaustively covered why Sans and Papyrus must be entirely different species. Papyrus doesn’t sleep, but Sans does. Papyrus’ face moves, but Sans doesn’t. Papyrus only ever drinks milk, but Sans eats all sorts of things. Papyrus doesn’t know what humans or the Sun looks like, but Sans does. Papyrus turns to dust when killed, Sans bleeds (something no other monster does), and we never see him die. We can clearly see all of Papryus’ skinless, muscle-less bone structure everywhere along his body, Sans is always wrapped up, and the only bones we see are his skull, which again doesn’t actually move. All indications are that Papyrus is a tough, but standard monster, while Sans had Godlike powers that surpass even Asgore.

Gaster did fall into the Core. And was scattered across time and space. You’d think he’d still be in the Core, unless something within the core caused him to be scattered. Like the time/space portal.

If Gaster just made his own list, why is it that the only way to access both Entry 17’s is to cheat and look in the game code? These aren’t just bulletin board messages, both these entry’s impossibly co-exist. There’s something very special about this that crosses over between timelines.

The Elevator Voice can’t just be Flowey/Asriel because it says “It’s been a long time” in a way that suggests a deep past that Frisk can’t remember. Flowey can mimic voices, but Flowey’s been talking to Frisk this whole time, it hasn’t been “a long time” since they met. And the manner of speaking, of methodical plans being put together, is very different from Flowey’s usual attitude.

I don’t yet have an explanation for how Frisk appears early in the story as an amnesiac. I imagine at some point we’ll learn more about the timeline, and the past with Gaster.