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Reply to #143: https://undertale.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:168444#143

At this point it seems like both an assumption to say that The Fountain was built before Chara arrived, and to say that Chara had a few days to visit Gaster before he died, providing him just enough time to make his blueprints. It hinges on whether "The End of 201X" means somewhere in December 2019, or December 31st 2019, and that's information we don't have.

The question is something savy to knowledge of storytelling tropes: We're supposed to learn something important by knowing when Chara arrived in New Home, and learn something from it. It's too well a hidden item not to have significance, and trying to circle around it or minimize it seems perilous to me.

The curtains in Pirate's cove were a perfect mix of William Purple and Henry Magenta. Perhaps the curtain colors aren't enough to draw conclusions on their own, but when added to a long list of other times Purple or Magenta appeared in FNAF, one can assume that this detail was choosen deliberately for a purpose. They are the two men who run Freddy's after all. So while randomly encountering Blue Curtains without any other context might not make the color important, if the detail matches other patterns it's irresponsible to ignore them.

Again, Chara wouldn't have a striped t-shirt if she fell in the Distant Past. You're been pushing for the possiblity that Chara met Gaster before he died in 201X, after all. So you've going to have to pick era for Chara to be from.

The Modern Era seems to have a lot more evidence to me. Especially if Chara and Asriel made home movies together on a camcorder.

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Reply to #145 https://undertale.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:168444#145

I'm well aware that Einstein was wrong about Quantum Mechanics when he said "God does not play dice". And perhaps his faith clouded his judgement in this case.

Still, Einstein made many discoveries during his lifetime. Obsessing about one of his failures doesn't seem fair when surveying his lifetime of work, and the techniques he employed. Techniques he encouraged other scientists to use, so that Science might continue to accelerate smoothly after his death.

Einstein was a scientist, first and foremost. And he earned all of his fame the hard way, starting from a humble beginning. Casually dismissing the life's work of one of the greatest scientists in history seems irresponsible to me. Especially since I've found that his techniques work, and use them regularly.

Einstein had trouble in school in his teens, because he experience that 'the spirit of learning and creative thought was lost in strict rote learning' ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein ).

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.... No, Ambassador. Imagination in science is not "making things up" as you say. It's about creatively searching for unknown causes for observations.

Have you ever heard of Epicycles? ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferent_and_epicycle ) They were an attempt by early astronomers to explain planetary orbits.

The theory was that celestial objects, being divine, had to travel in perfect circles, always. Yet this wasn't borne out by the observations of planetary orbits.

Left-brained thinkers found a way to preserve their belief in perfect circular motion and still explain these divergent observations, by creating Epicycles:

They said that the planets didn't just travel on a single circle.. they were traveling on OTHER circles that -themselves- were traveling on the main orbit circle! This way, the traditional belief of perfect circular motion could still be celebrated and respected, by using the same model and just making it more complex with another layer. The new observations were still off by a little, but they were much closer, and that was enough for most astronomers of the day ^_^

Right-brained thinkers blashphemously threw out the respected theory of Perfect Circular Motion entirely, and made perfect models of planetary motion by using Elliptical Orbits.

Imagination is about thinking outside the box, and trying something new.

Elliptical Orbits were always there. But it took the courage of Johannes Kelper to challenge what all of his peers believed to be true, before we could see them.

As you say, "Curiosity leads to the discovery of non-fictional facts".

And Imagination is the tool we employ to do this, by finding better, cleaner models rather than just continually patching up old ones.

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"The story of Einstein is a story about corruption." ... WOW. Okay. White Queen. We're moving on to keep things civil.

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I don't just ask why Tobyfox would do something. I ask why any competent artist would do something strange and particular.

If we know we're dealing with a detailed mystery, the little details aren't just filler, they're vital evidence.

I went into how J K Rowling blindsided me earlier by making Peter Pettigrew, Voldemort's right-hand man, Ron's annoyingly goofy pet rat Scabbers.

And there -were- clues hidden in the books that led up perfectly to this moment, Rowling didn't cheat at all. She was just a very deadly mystery writer, and excelled at hiding vital clues in plain sight.

The same way Rebecca Sugar hid all sorts of clues about Steven having Pink Diamond's power throughout Steven Universe.

Bits of evidence that were invisible.. until I devised a theory, and knew just what I should be looking for in order to test it.

The first time I watched Steven Universe, I didn't see any of the Pink Diamond easter eggs. It was only when I applied my Imagination, and began to especifally look for a link between Pink Diamond and Steven, that suddenly the easter eggs started  jumping out of the screen at me.

Imagination is a tool we can use to search for possiblities, that we can then test.

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Why would I Death Blow my theory that a mad scientist was putting human souls into robots, when no evidence opposed it, and I found more details that confirmed this assumption with every additional FNAF book and game that came out since then?

This is a reason to search more deeply, not to trash my theories.

Especially since minds that consider themselves smarter than Albert Einstein are on the record as calling FNAF's story non-sensical trash, even after I published "The Color Brothers".

Again, we can't put our personal biases ahead of finding the truth. Not if we want to call ourselves Scientists.

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And my response to the last post, #148 https://undertale.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:168444#148

Perhaps it does seem arrogant of me, when I say that when looking for possiblities, I look for ways that I would write the story, if I was the one telling it.

But isn't brainstorming for The Coolest Thing That Could Happen a legitimate tool for finding where to look?

Search for the most awesome story you can find with these details.. then study the lore to see if that might just be what the author is going for.

That's why I call what I do Reverse-Engineering a story.

I look for the cool places where stories might lurk, and test those wonderfully improbable outcomes to see if they match the facts.

And it's worked for me. Multiple times.

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Again, Star Wars 9 is coming out this Christmas. And my money's on Finn being a Mandalorian, and future Mandalore, the real hero of the series.

And while I don't currently have a perfect proof for this with the existing movies, there's no solid counter-evidence I can find, and each movie that comes out introduces new details that make my theories about Finn more probable, rather than less.

This is a good place to be in. And it's all because I tried looking for The Most Awesome Thing They Could Do... and when I came up with Finn the Mandalore, the pieces snapped into place.

Just like how they did with FNAF and The Color Brothers, years ago.

In "Rose Quartz Ate Pink Diamond" my reasoning went through a few phases. ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhHKxsxELdw&t=267s )

I cover The Dark Rose theory first, that Rose was secretly a gem-energy vampire, and had stolen Pink Diamond's power, because it was the theory that came first.

But when I took this dark interpretation.. and compared it to the tone of the Steven Universe up to that point, it clashed. Heavily. And didn't seem to fit the direction the show wanted to go.

Something didn't work. More revision was needed.

So I used Imagination again, searching for a better story. And came up with the model that perhaps Pink Diamond actually granted her power to Rose to found The Crystal Gems, as an act of redemption.

This story was a lot better, and better fit both the facts and the tone of the show. Which is why I cover this theory as the second one in the video, during the plot twist at the end.

And after learning that Pink Diamond was overcooked, I made another revision where the other gem powers were actually forced into her, when White Diamond tried to 'convert' her into a standard Diamond Titan, by force-fusing other gems to hers. The version of the story I tell in the Followup video ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DADtNXeF0nw )

That plot twist hasn't been proven yet in the show. But like FNAF and Finn, I keep seeing lore items that encourage the idea, rather than discourage it. So it's still very much in play.

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Perhaps you are right when you say you go for "Canon as Written', while I go for "Canon as Intended".

An assumption I always have to make before starting on a project is that 'There IS A Story To Find'.

An assumption that can't always be made, and is downright dangerous when dealing with fakers like Shyamalan and Uwe Boll.

However, I have a spirit that's both Artistic enough to search for greater meaning in all things around me. And that's also Autistic enough to doggedly power through long nights of research in search of elusive answers.

I believe good artsists create art for a reason, and have a message they want to tell. And this is what I search for.

And in several cases, that's what I found.

Which is why I defended Steven Universe as an artistic masterwork, even when so much of the fandom was ready to throw it away as random nonsense.

Theorists aren't politicians. We're supposed to find the real truth of things, not what the majority votes it to be.

We can see things that others can't. Which is why we have a responsiblity to speak up, especially when the rest of the world doesn't understand.