Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-34798955-20180310144518/@comment-34645353-20180313221505

TheHumanAmbassador wrote: Neither side of these characterizations of Chara are correct.

Chara does not corrupt Frisk, and Frisk does not corrupt Chara. Frisk is responsible for the kills, but Chara isn't innocent.

How about we explain this in some detail, shall we?

As we all know, Chara hated humanity. They likely climbed the mountain so they wouldn't see another one. The, of course, they found Asriel, and they became like siblings. As for Asgore's illness, the laughter was likely because it was like a pun. (Buttercups->Cups of butter) This gave Chara an idea.. The idea to breach the surface world. Now, I do believe Chara was going to kill the rest of humanity.. But this was still because of their hatred. And they couldn't just say this to Asriel, else he wouldn't listen. Asriel didn't know why Chara hated humanity..

Chara was finally going to answer that question. They took their own dead body to the golden flowers, and the humans attacked. As we know, Asriel refused to fight back, and he died with Chara. This "betrayal" may in fact be part of why Chara's evil when Frisk falls. (The other part being that they're literally SOULless. But the latter can't be the full story, since even Flowey started out good.)

Frisk can either kill everyone like Chara wants, or actually do the right thing and not be evil. Chara does not force Frisk to kill at all. That's because they want a true partner... Someone who actually WANTS to help them on their quest... Someone who wants to eradicate all of the monsters. If you miss a monster in Waterfall, and attempt to proceed, Chara stops you, to tell you about the monster(s) you missed, and flat-out tells you not to proceed yet. They want the Genocide. "Missed that comedian. Failure." Frisk isn't corrupting them. After all, why would Chara trust a human? They hate humanity, remember? If they still liked monsters, they'd side with the monsters, and try to stop Frisk, instead of helping them, and believing them, and encouraging them to stay determined.

As a result, Frisk and Chara are like partners in this route-Neither side corrupting the other.

TL;DR:Neither side is truly innocent, nor the sole one responsible for the route. Both sides are responsible for it. Players, don't say you did NOTHING wrong and blame it all on Chara, and.. Don't just say because players fought Chara's innocent.

PS:Isn't it ironic how both sides use the same argument? That one corrupted the other? Frisk and Chara are not the ones to kill, though. It is the player who corrupts them both. I never said Frisk corrupts Chara, I said the player did. You are not Frisk. Frisk is their own person.

That is not why I think they laughed. They were laughing their pain away. A whole lot of characters do this. I believe they wanted to free all monsters, not kill every last human. Asriel may have 'betrayed' them, but I think Chara knew it was because he didn't want to kill the humans anymore.

Most of your reasoning is behind the fact that you think by the player I meant Frisk. I didn't. I meant the person actually playing the game. They help you on your quest because YOU, the player, are corrupting them into believing killing is good and you want power. They want the Genocide after you already have started genocide and are already starting to become corrupted. Anyway, Chara wouldn't trust Frisk at first, but if they spare the monsters they start to realize that maybe this human is okay. On a Genocide run, they are stuck with you and can't stop watching you kill everyone through determnation. So the corruption starts, and they start helping you. But on a pacifist route, they help you. They make puns. When you die, they tell you to stay determined. They do tell you to stay determined on a genocide, but it is, again, because of their corruption.

I'm not saying Chara is completely innocent. Frisk isn't innocent on the Genocide run, as they start doing actions on their own that are pretty bad. Chara was willing to kill humans to free monsters.

Also, who is to say Chara even pressed the fight button for Sans and Asgore, anyway? It could have been Frisk. Nobody really knows for sure.