Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-30088034-20170108152544/@comment-30088034-20170116203640

Mabian wrote: Yes I'm single wrote:
 * so they want to kill all species. why don't they just do it in pacifist? also how does chara get so strong at the end of the genocide? (killing the game)On a normal run through the game Chara is just a spirit or something along those lines, and so has no ability to influence events or kill anything. Even if Chara can influence Frisk outside of the Genocide route, that influence is very minor, certainly not enough to overtake Frisk completely.

'''so you think frisk himself, and not chara controlling frisk, goes behind the lamp? but then why does chara have enough power to kill flowey and asgore?'''                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Chara most likely becomes stronger by slowly gaining influence over Frisk. As I mentioned before, one way to understand the process of killing monsters is slowly giving in to Chara's influence, and perhaps even making Chara more powerful at the same time. Only once a certain amount of influence is ceded, and when a certain amount of power is gathered, can Chara actually act on their own enough to destroy the world and such.

'''so on genocide, chara becomes stronger because frisk gives in to chara's influence? and chara becomes so much more powerful that she turns from a spirit from an actual person? if so, that answers all my questions.'''
 * who is the narrator then? frisk? or just the game?My take? It's just an atypical third-person narrator. Just like you would encounter in most other works of fiction, with Toby's own personal spin.

'''so why do you think chara's not the narrator? i am kind of neutral...'''
 * i actually think frisk and the player are different characters, from the proof you said above. and you've been controlling frisk for most of the game, so choosing what they want to do with their soul is no different. but then, why ARE you controlling them? ARE YOU CHARA CONTROLLING FRISK? (jk)You say you're kidding, but that would actually be a perfectly valid theory from the other piece of evidence that I mentioned. Though it would suffer from its own drawbacks.

'''I already know one. in genocide, chara spekaing to chara? lol'''

'''then asriel was betraying them because they didn't kill those humans. so chara in her death is very angry at asriel which is why they kill flowey in genocide right?'''That's the most likely interpretation of events. '''also what was charas motive in genocide? selling your soul? if they want to erase reality, how does a soul do it? a human can't absorb a human soul..... and i thought chara liked everything dead, why do they want to reset?'''Chara's motive, at least once a Genocide run is completed, is to kill. Not just monsters, but humans, perhaps animals, probably everything. But of course, Chara can't kill when they are just a spirit. So they need to actually get control of a physical form. The only way that can work, from what we can tell, is for Chara to take control of a human soul by having them give away that control. It wouldn't be absorbing, though what exactly it is is...not clear.

'''so if you true reset in pacifist, chara has your soul the whole time? which is how they take over their body?'''                                                                                                                                                                                           Chara specifically wants to kill, rather than just having things dead. The former is the desire to actually get your hands dirty and be personally responsible for the death of other beings. The latter is just wanting things to die regardless of how it happens or whether you play any part. So the former would require resetting, but the latter wouldn't.

'''does chara still want to kill everything right when frisk falls? what about at the end of pacifist or neutral? or just geno'''