Talk:Eight Humans/@comment-37493416-20190401010224/@comment-26907577-20190917131305

Interesting proposals. I'll need to invite you the next time some decent debate comes up.

Chara: "Your power awakened me from death."

Not Chara's determination. Our determination. Or maybe some other power Frisk has. The point is that it is not Chara's determination which awakened them, so you'll need another point to show their red SOUL has it.

We actually have reason to believe Flowey was revived from a dead flower. The lab entries state it was the first, not that it was alive. Individual flowers grow on an annual (or sometimes biannual) cycle, and don't bloom again; only their seeds do. Seeing as enough time has passed that the throne room is completely full of them, and there are patches throughout the Underground, it's certainly been a while since the buttercup incident.

Entry Number 8: "The first golden flower, that grew before all the others. The flower from the outside world. It appeared just before the queen left."

Before.

Entry Number 5: "Using the blueprints, I've extracted it from the human SOULs."

Plural.

So at least 2 humans (excluding Chara) have fallen between 201X and Flowey's creation. Given that Bratty and Catty mention "Millenia of being imprisoned", it seems unlikely that we would get a convenient 3 humans in a row. And the flower probably wasn't very determined before Alphys injected Determination into it.

So Flowey came to life by adding determination to it.

Entry Number 12: "i'll just keep injecting everything with "determination.""

Probably a lot of determination. What does Frisk have a lot of?

Essence of Chara (which stayed with their body until this point) + one determined kid = essence of Chara revived in said kid.

Essence of Asriel (which stayed with his dust until this point) + ( one a lot of determination + a flower) = essence of Asriel revived in said flower.

Still nothing in here that says Chara had excessive determination in comparison to the other SOUL traits.