Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20181123023529/@comment-32182236-20181212202906

While it’s true that Flowey can mimic voices, and has limited shapeshift abilities like changing his face early on, he only ever uses voices he’s heard before.

He could have had this voice back when he was Chasriel.

The voice in the elevator is one Frisk never remembers hearing.. (remember, he has amnesia) but one that says “It’s been a long time”. It hasn’t been a long time since Frisk met Flowey, Flowey’s been following him his entire journey.

But Asriel thought Frisk was Chara:That's the entire motif of his fight. And it HAS been a long time since CHARA met ASRIEL. This is what this line was referring to. Remember, the call actually says Chara's name. The call was meant for Chara, not Frisk. And I have proof! Take that:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKnY5nyhrNQ (1:04:55) I know it's not the more popular one, but that one had the fallen's name be "Papy", and that sounds like a nickname for Papyrus. This one's more clear. You can also look at the Undertale Text Project (Search for it, it's a real thing).

Don’t forget that even if you reload, some characters remember what you did. The creepiest thing I’ve seen in any video game is when I accidentally killed Toriel, reloaded, then spared her, only to have Flowey reform her face and says “YOU KILLED HER”. Creatures with human souls like Frisk, Flowey and Sans remember what you’ve done.

You know how Sans said things don't really matter when everythinf's going to be reset? Seems like a nihilistic point of view, when it has to do with other timelines. What happens doesn't matter, because it'll all be undone. Given this, why would Sans think this kill matters, if it's just been undone? He doesn't judge Frisk's kills at all if they've been reset, but if he truly had a DT soul, he'd remember them full well. By your theory, Sans' moral values/judgements are completely inconsistent. Do previous timelines matter or not?

Flowey’s DT was lesser than Frisk’s, but Omega Flowey’s was greater. Perhaps one can become more powerful by absorbing souls. And if Gaster had done that before his conflict with Sans, then Sans couldn’t load out of it.

But then, Gaster could have, and he would never have died.

Oh, and by the way, the rules are, whoever has the most total determination has the power. Omega Flowey got the determination of the SOULs he had absorbed. Your reset point is the point where you first gained the ability. (Yes, FIRST gained it. Omega Flowey steals it from us, but we get it back, and our reset point hasn't changed to right after his fight.) Your load point is where you last saved. In fact, you're probably going to load after Omega Flpwey, and find yourself at a previous save before Omega Flowey.

However, there are problems with this. Gaster traveled with Sans, and would have to get Sans through the barrier too. And when presented with the option of absorbing a monster soul.. Sans might not like the idea. AT ALL.

I meant, Gaster would then absorb six human.. Oh. He can't.

Really, though my post also mentioned an Option E:Take the six SOULs, and his own into a vessel, and use that to have seven SOULs in all, and brek the Barrier. That's simple, right? Basically, do what Alphys tried to do, but add that seventh SOUL so you can break the Barrier INSTANTLY!! Oh, and you get a nice new form as well. He doesn't need to kill nearly of monsterkind to make number 7:He is number 7!

But Sans still has access to the time/space portal Gaster built into The Core. If Sans simply wanted to time-travel within the Underground/Ruins.. He could. And has.

How do you know that portal even exists? What's to say the thing Gaster used to look through the timelines isn't that broken machine, like my story told? (The one about how the Darkest Experiment was actually Gaster trying to crack the power of S/L/R, and travel amongst the timeline freely, which is far more powerful than classical S/L/R. Oh, and by the way, by my story, the maxhine broke then, when it malfunctioned.)

And please, can you respond to my proof that he can't be talking about the Surface as well? You know, that since getting to the surface doesn't appeal to him EITHER, "going back" CAN'T be talking about the Surface? The Surface ISN'T his home?

Sans has had the capacity to simply bail on this timeline and move to another one where Papyrus is still alive, this entire time.

No, he couldn't. That ability is to Frisk, and Frisk alone. Frisk is the anomaly, not Sans. They're the reason why timelines jump left and right, start and stop, until everything ends.

You see, Sans knew that this was Frisk's fault. So really, if Sans let Frisk do what they did, they'd keep on consuming timelines until there's nothing left. Chara destroys the world, remember? And when that happens, it counts as a True Reset (plus adding on Chara possesing Frisk.) And what happens at Soulless Pacifist? Chara kills everyone! Just as Sans predicted, the worlds are still being consumed. If Sans stands down now, Chara will become a threat to all that exists. It supercedes timelines, which is why he can't afford not to care anymore.

It's not Frisk specifically he's trying to save. He's trying to sace reality itself. But he can't do that without SAVing Frisk.

Why would Sans, who is very clearly trying to actually kill Frisk in the Megalovania fight, deliberately teleport Frisk to safety in a situation where damage was certain?

He has to, otherise his attack is invalid. I ask again, if such an attack is valid, why didn't Sans make an undodgable attack on his first, "strongest" attack?

The attack probably would have vanished just before trapping Frisk.

And Sans does make sure that wherever Frisk ends up, there’s a horde of Gaster Blasters waiting for him, or another Wario-ware like situation where Frisk must react IMMEDIATELY to avoid getting wrecked.

...How, though?

Why doesn’t Sans teleport? Well, keep in mind the game prevents us from ever seeing what it looks like when Sans teleports, so he never does it when we’re watching. Dodging, though, is kind of a stand-in. We need an explanation for why Sans can flawlessly dodge Frisk’s attacks, but not Chara’s.

I said "them". I meant Frisk. Why didn't FRISK teleport to their turn?

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My reason still stands as an alternative. Ot basically explains why the question you raised before is not really a valid question. The answer is trivial. No need for a complex set of assumptions to get there.