Talk:Chara/@comment-26523710-20160623184359/@comment-24821641-20160624010643

I typed out a really long reply and it got an error agagdhgafg

lemme just try that again *clears throat*...can you please give any solid proof Chara was manipulative, didn't feel guilt, or ever intended to ruin Asriel's life, even if that's how it turned out?

Remember that it is FRISK/THE PLAYER that murders everyone (except of course Sans Asgore and Flowey), not Chara. Yes, they were there, but they only actually did stuff themselves very rarely, until you go into Asgore's garden the game plays almost completely normally. They didn't slowly gain more control over Frisk either, or possess them and force them to do it, it's made very clear they didnt start it, it was your fault. "You. With your guidence. I realized the purpose of my reincarnation. Power.".

It is likely they did have a bad surface life, since according to Asriel they came to the mountain where people disappear to, uh, disappear, or at least some "Not (a) very happy reason". As for poisoning Asgore, how do you know they intended to do it? Sure, I don't have concrete proof they didn't, but they were like ten, if they were distracted it wouldn't be that hard for them to mistake buttercups for actual butter, or even just assume they tasted the same, heck I though that when I was younger. There's also the fact that one definition of laughing something off is to "deal with a problem by laughing or pretending to be amused by it". This does happen in Undertale (Snowdrake's father, Toriel if you kill her after meeting spare conditions, the narrator's [Who is more than likely Chara themselves] reaction to laughing at Snowdrake's Mother twice, Migospel, probably Sans' entire life), so while we're not told exactly what kind of laughing happens here it's more than likely that definition, since I highly doubt that Asriel, no matter how much he looks up to Chara, would consider genuinely finding poison funny a good thing.

If they really did only want power and/or to destroy everything, it would have been much easier to simply attack Asriel when his guard was down, then absorb his incredibly powerful Boss Monster soul and rampage with that. But instead they killed themselves, through painful buttercup poisoning rather than something easier like their dagger, and let Asriel take their soul, aparently with the intenion of freeing monsterkind (though yes they could have been lying). If they really didn't care about the Dreemurrs, why would they do that?

I'm not claiming Chara was perfect or at no fault, they probably did intend to destroy most humans, but they're very ambiguous and what you're saying is canon really isn't, the Chara we see at the end of Genocide is probably as much the "real" Chara as Flowey is the real Asriel. this turned our longer than I intended wow. Also if I'm coming off as rude/hostile sorry, don't mean to.