Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-32182236-20190920194329/@comment-33883848-20190925203133

"Have you ever wondered why monsters are so easy to spare? Think about it-It only takes two acts for a monster to go from trying to kill you, to being friends with you, they even give you gold. If you saw a human doing that, you'd probably think they have HUGE mood swings."

Because Frisk showed them that humans can be good,because Frisk solved their problems and encouraged them etc..

"Seriously, it's unrealistic if it were a human doing that."

You're talking about a game full of magical monsters

"With a lack of determination, it's so easy to CHANGE their purposes. Their directives."

Dt is so far defined as the resolve to change fate and will to live,how is that supposed to be related to hate at all?

Plus,it's not only certain acts that gonna change chats mind about humans,Frisk saved the day,the world freed everyone and allowed humans to live in peace with monsters,how that can't change charas mind about humans?They are also just a kid remember.

"That's literally TWO monsters, that weren't around in Chara's days"

No dude,ALL monsters were filled with hope when Asgore promised to destroy humanity.They WANTED to see humans dead.Of course there's monsters that actually don't give a scrap about it but most of them do.Without mentioning that there's no indication that Chara ever planned to destroy humanity at all.

"we've already seen Toriel take care of another human, as if they were her child (instead of Chara)"

Yeah the ONLY monster who was disturbed by Asgore's actions.Besides given Chara's narration during her fight and when you kill her(check the coker)it's pretty clear that Chara want you to find a peaceful solution with her.

" Papyrus deciding to be friends with you (he only wants to capture a human because of Undyne),"

Papyrus is Papyrus.

"Sans flat-out protecting you"

No he doesn't.He never even try to protect during the fights,the only thing he does to help you is selling stuff.If not his promise he would flat out kill you

" Napstablook not even reacting to the fact that you're a human, he just wants to be left alone.. The Dogs deciding to spare you over PETTING, "

Despite it,most monsters want YOU DEAD why do you think they fight you otherwise?And yes you can change their mind about you and humans with your actions but why Chats wouldn't?

"And after all that, TWO monsters say that they are hyped for the destruction of humanity. Yet they're doing business with a human right now."

Those two monsters shows monster's general sentiment about humans.It's not for nothing that Asgore believe that destroying humanity would restore hope among monsters

"...I don't think that tells Chara that monsters hate humanity. It seems to suggest that monsters are totally cool with humans. That they don't see anything wrong with them.. Except, of course, the Barrier, but hey, maybe we can all be friends?"

Let's say that monsters don't hate humanity.Why would that make Chara automatically hate them all?Why is that their business?After all,their arrival made monsters unafraid of humans and made them believe that humans and monsters can live together in peace,Chara always knew that monsters had faith in humans so why that would be different right now?

Chara's hate of humanity is something PERSONAL that they refused to talk to anyone,heavily implying abuse or something.This they have no reasons to hate monsters for not hating humans as they don't know them as well as Chats did.

"Oh, and let's not forget to take into account that right now, Chara doesn't have a SOUL. ...You still think Chara's going to be friends with the monsters? I surely don't."

Flowey did.And look at their check text,they CLEARLY doesn't want you to fight and make to seem innocent every single monster.

Seriously,you claimed that Chats hate monsters at first because they attack Frisk and then because they befriend Frisk so what's your issue here?It's really seems like you're trying to find excuses to see Chara as a bastard without any real reasons.

""Together, we eradicated the enemy"-Chara Dreemurr"

Of course monsters are enemy,they attack Frisk and Chara!Heck they even refers to monsters as "enemies "in neutral and pacifist run as well "life is difficult for this enemy "yet STILL give a description that would persuade Frisk to spare them all.It's also interesting to notice that Chats does NOT view all monsters as "enemy "during genocide run either as they claims that you eradicated the enemy while there still many evaluated monsters .Thus they only seems to refer to monsters as "enemy "as they are LITERALLY Frisk's enemy.They also claims that they realized that the purpose of their awakening is to kill and gain power thanks to your guidance and that otherwise they didn't know why they were awakened.

"Sure, Frisk isn't an angel, but that doesn't mean that everyone else is like them. If they see one good human, and a whole village of "bad" humans, if they take all of it into account, doesn't the bad outweigh the good? By A LOT? ...They'd still think the villagers that killed Chasriel were bad, I imagine."

They are still a random kid though and thus likely prove to Chara that humans can be good if they try to.Plus Flowey prove at the end of pacifist run that humans and monsters live in peace so YES monsters can be kind.

"I'm talking SOLELY a Souless Pacifist. Since that's the path that Chara kills everyone in. And where Frisk has no SOUL at all. (Because they gave it to Chara)"

They do.They share the same as Chara's.Chara even confirms that this soul is STILL connected to it's owner as Chara can feel Frisk perverted sentimentality thanks to this soul

"From their point of view, the monsters DESERVE to die."

Why and what are your PROOFS?

"One, they DO. Then again, they did expect to survive and be with Asriel forever, so I suppose that's irrelevant."

They still have the capacity to kill themselves though

"Second, perhaps they think themselves to be an exception. "

Soo.....Chara hate all life in the world for not being ""innocent ""but not themselves?? Wow that's not hypocrit that's stupid and lazy writing

"Perhaps they think something along the lines of: "Oh, I’M a human too, but I’M the only one taking out all these bad guys""

Then why would they hate monsterkind too?

"Because they want to kill EVERYONE, not just Frisk's friends. "

1.PROOFS??

2.they still have the capacity to kill ALL monsters in soulless neutral endings too but yet they don't.They only kill Frisks friends in the happy ending,thus it's likely a punishment

"And they can't do that when they're locked by the Barrier."

WAT??Of course they can,monsters are locked behind the barrier thus THEY CAN kill them all without crossing the barrier.And let's not forget that Frisk reach the surface with Chara in all neutral soulless endings yet nothing unusual appear.nothing indicate that humans are killed.And Chara doenst even appear to suggest us to do soulless pacifist run.If they are aware of different endings and stuff why don't they kill all monsters in soulless neutral endings and then all humans when they cross the barrier.And here a better question :HOW can they destroy all humans ?what give them this ability?Chara never absorbed 6 needed for it to destroy humans and they can't so because their vessel is human and they don't destroy the world like in genocide ending

"Once again, as I said, there are PLENTY of other ways to ruin Frisk's ending. I'm convinced that, at least in Soulless Pacifist, Chara actually thinks the monsters DESERVE to die."

Being around their friends is Frisk happy ending and Chara doesn't want Frisk to die because they want them to learn their lesson