Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31371445-20170222233857/@comment-27136653-20180718232207

"That's a claim, now prove it by citing your evidence."

"Our reports showed..." = Sans's + someone else's reports. Whoever they were, they weren't the anomaly. That leaves Frisk and Flowey. Frisk can do a genocide run without dying once and the dialogue won't change, proving it was Flowey. Can't believe I need to repeat years old information to you.

"I believe in what can be proven, not baseless assumptions."

Then you must agree that if your claims cannot be proven, they cannot be correct, in the light of simpler, less assumptive explanations.

"simply by the fact that that is how it is treated and presented in world"

That can also be explained through mind control. But even if we say that that's not the case, it still doesn't tell us whether it was always there, or whether it was constructed artificially at some point. All I can see is that it disagrees with the overworld mechanics (which are more akin to our world), so there's two explanations: the overworld is just as weird as the HUD itself, or the HUD isn't natural. You refuse to believe that Frisk is stopped from jumping off a cliff by some invisible force, yet you choose to believe that there's nothing unnatural about the HUD at all.

"One-Shot embraces the Player's connection to the world, but it never does the same with the idea of the world itself being a game."

It directly states that the "player" has some sort of a machine through which they access the world. Which could very well mean that they know that their world is a game from someone's perspective. Plus, on top of that, the entire world of Oneshot is implied to be a simulation. The characters even tried explaining the concept of "folders" to Niko. If that doesn't imply anything according to you, I have nothing else to say.

"Undertale, the HUD and everything connected to it, is NEVER, I repeat, NEVER EVER ONCE implied, hinted, insituated, or proposed as such within the world itself."

As I said, there's enough proof to believe that it's unique to humans, which raises the question of why does nobody question it. And the answer I concluded out of that, was mind control. Got anything better?