Talk:Chara/@comment-35030974-20191227014300/@comment-32182236-20191230163750

""When the humans killed me, that's when I became that flower."

No confirmation that this person Flowey used to be is indeed Asriel. Could have been somebody else. Maybe it was even Sans' mom.

The same applies to your next line. FLOWEY died. But not jecessatily Asriel. (And technically, it's only Flowey THINKS he died.)

"In Undertale, ghosts/phantoms are still visible (Napstablook), so even if that were true we would still be able to see them in the overworld. Unless there's some invisible kid going around killing monsters I'm not buying it."

We still need an ecplanation for how "Frisk" was able to use a weapon they didn't have.

"I don't know if I said this or not, but I do think that Chara narrates some parts of the genocide route. (Namely the red text, the mirror text, and the text in New Home)"

And we don't have any evidence that there are two narrators. Shouldn't we just use Occam's Razor here? What's more likely? That there's a second narrator the game doesn't even HINT at the existence of, or that there's just one narrator and it's always Chara?

"Chara's dead. They didn't come back on the pacifist route. That's why he isn't talking to Chara."

Circular reasoning. You're telling us to accept the Player because Chara's not the narrator, but saying Chara's not the narrator requires us to assume that Flowey really is talking to the player, rather than Chara, the obvious choice, given Chara's name is the one used.

Chara only said our power brought them back-They never specified when. And where do you think those memories of Chara came to us from in the Pacifist Route? (Namely, the dream in the Ruins, and the flashack in Waterfall.)

"Yes, but when you move the bullet board down to press the fight button, he still gets hit by a slash."

Perhaps pressing the FIGHT button really was impossible for us after all. (Frisk can't use a weapon they don't have!)

Though that is an interesting factoid I'll have to take into consideration when I theorize the nature of HUD.