Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-32182236-20180104155430/@comment-28974149-20180910133518

Not at all. Also Hi again!

None of this is Chara's fault or doing. Yes Chara hated Humans and wanted to fight back against the attacking Humans, but that has nothing to do with what was done down here, centuries after their death.

Chara is completely neutral in the beginning. No no.

WHO's the one who pressed that FIGHT button? Hmm?

You just teach Chara(and Frisk) to kill by raising their LV. What does that save file say when you start?

CHARA LV 1, then you kill and raise it. Chara was pretty chill (as Temmie said in a tweet) before, and is nice in Pacifist.

But in geneocide well, as Sans says the higher the LV the more you distance yourself from people, and the more willing you are to slaughter the innocent, even your family or best friend.

Chara actually has no idea what *you're* trying to prove as they watch and learn from us like the kid they are, they even admit as much in their speech about how you taught them how to act.

They reason it's power, and even draw up a plan for both of you to continue gaining it, thinking you're their true friend "right where it belongs" as you teach Chara that Mercy, what Asriel used back in the day, is wrong and he just got them both killed, you're the better soul partner. (Since they and Frisk share the same soul.) (opposite message given to them in Pacifist.)

But if you say no they're confused(and betrayed). Eventually Chara just says fuck it, it's MY save file(since when were YOU the one in control?!) "CHARA(or whatever name you gave them)" and just kicks you by erasing it.

And then when you come back to the world YOU destroyed, procedees to kinkshame you about your killing in the void.

But, like Flowey, being a soulless being raised from the dead by DT(specifically, yours.) they feel empty inside and decide they'll reset their save file for you in exchange for a soul again. (Frisks Soul of course, the True murderer isn't even in that plane of existance, whoops just sold an 8-year old's soul! ).

And still kinkshaming you, they'll undo your happy ending from now on because you don't get one you monster. Infinite bad time. (Unless you're a dirty hacker, shame more on that later.)

Or if you do more genocides, they tell you about how you taught them what it means to kill (to become strong) but they admit they continue to believe this but they now know you do not believe this thing yourself, you have a "perverted" sentimentality to this world that causes you to sadistically create and destroy it over and over and over. And Chara cannot understand the feelings in your soul (kind of like how Flowey, even with souls, could not feel feelings regardless.)  And, disgusted, want you to do a pacifist this time after they reset the file.

Saying no, they continue to kinkshame you and put the guilt on you by saying that all this was "YOUR CHOICE LONG AGO!"

The above. That is what I think. YOU are the one that decides everyone's fate. Poor Chara doesn't deserve ANY of the blame. They were not the greatest person in life but they didn't plan any genocides or anything. "Six, we just have to get six". That was their compromise to Asriel, I belive. Sure, maybe Chara would gladly kill them all knowing they had a hatred of Humans especially to save their new friends, but knowing how uncomfortable he was they compromised. (They do that with us too, with the soul.)

Chara is a metaphor for the player character "The Demon that comes when people call it's name (name)" line is a reference to naming your character in an RPG. A normal RPG where that Characters goes on to killl and steal but not on their own, thanks to YOU.

It is YOU who makes the player a demon. It is you who made Chara a demon.

This was the RPG where no one had to die! But you decided to play it like normal!

But there are concequences, as Chara said when they realized how you really think and rebelled(think about THAT the next time you listen to "Megalo STRIKE BACK"), that you think you can get away with destroying this world and just "having it back" whenever you feel like.

"You think you are above concequences."

All in all, Chara was raised by a pretty good parent(Toriel was evidently their favorite as they copy her like how Asriel copies Asgore.). And Chara is the hero we need not the one we deserve. But this story has a sad ending if you decide to hack into the game and undo this.

In the end your power as the Extra-Dimension overlord "Player" is no match for even the most powerful being in Undertale, the one with the SAVE file...

And you are indeed irredeemable. For YOU, are the TRUE villain of Undertale.

You: "Mwahahahahahahahahahahahah...."

No that's not you.

You cannot accept it. Chara says this exact thing.

In the end, Toby predicted this with that line.

That the Fandom would try to shirk the blame.

And indeed we did.

We blame Chara.

Poor poor Chara. When it's OUR fault.

Oh my god I just got that. We blame the Character. “My character’s such a dick.” When it is our fault. Man Toby, beautiful game spilling some moral truths about video games, Role-Playing games specifically.

I wonder how this ties into Chara's backstory though, to continue this allogory of Toby's maybe Chara was often manipulated and controlled by other people and that's why they hate Humans.