Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31252171-20171008174544/@comment-35757757-20190719160311

Now for two things:

One: The leitmotifs aren’t as important as you think.

Metal Crusher and Gaster’s Theme both use part of Noisemaster’s theme from Cucumber Quest (Toby Fox made the song and some other songs for the comic). The song isn’t in Undertale, though

Most of the Waterfall tracks (including most of the Undyne-related songs) use the Ruins leitmotif

Dogbass uses part of Ghost Fight

Etc

Also, Megalovania doesn’t use any Undertale’s leitmotifs because this wasn’t its first appearance. The song appeared in Tony’s Halloween Hack of Earthbound, Cogdis Dissonance, and Homestuck Before Undertale. The second of the list wasn’t even done by Toby Fox.

Two: The “Sans Attacks First” argument doesn’t make any sense because so do Flowey and Undyne.

Flowey doesn’t even let you get a turn when you first meet him, and he’s your first encounter in the game. He pretends to teach you how to play, and he gets to attack you

Undyne changes your SOUL color green before your first turn on every route, no matter the version of the fight. Even in pacifist, where you’re completely innocent. In the rest of your fights on the genocide run, you attack first. Undyne and Sans are the only two who get the first attack (And Flowey but that happens before you can even start killing anyone). In pacifist, Undyne still gets to attack first (and Flowey I guess). In all the neutral runs, UNDYNE ATTACKS FIRST. Basically, she always gets the first turn, no matter how heroic you are. That’s why this argument falls flat. As seen with Muffet, changing your SOUL color can constitute a full turn. Therefore, Undyne attacks first no matter what run you face her on, which destroys the argument because people are saying that that means you’re the real final boss so the song that plays in the fight is your theme. By that logic, Spear of Justice and Battle Against a True Hero Are also your themes. You’re the boss when facing Undyne, but after and before that you aren’t... except for with Flowey. Oh right! That logic means that Your Best friend is the player’s theme and- I’M DONE WITH THIS GARBAGE! (Jumps out of the window Papyrus style)

I’ve already given my opinion on what the character themes are in my other comment above so I won’t repeat myself.

There.