Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31371445-20170222233857/@comment-32182236-20180923165734

"It can also be that you're hearing this as a straggling essence, as it moves back through time."

Still have Flowey and Undyne. And the point is, you reload while you're still conscious, which means before you actually die. If you were obliberated instantly, you couldn't LOAD, because you don't actually exist. Seems a lot more obvious when you look at it like that. Cue Malice's original argument, now that I've set down the foundation that it builds upon.

"Then what should we do, change, omit? How is that any different from me changing and omitting text in order to avoid the HUD being canon, because that's clearly meant for us, the players?"

Because hacking is not what you're supposed to do as the player. It's cheating. I thought this was obvious.

..So, my razor is now this:Has it been explicitly mentioned or taken advantage of within the game, that can be seen within normal gameplay? If yes, it's canon, otherwise, it's not. You're not SUPPOSED to hack the game, it's hacking. Cheating. You dirty cheater. Calling that canon is like calling the 4th day glitch from Majora's Mask canon. No, it's actually worse, because you can at least get that glitch without hacking.

"And the intro could just be human lore. This isn't an argument. If we wanna know what Toby meant by this, we must leave the canon and look at the meta. The plaques have no reason to be wrong."

Why not? Proof, please? Also, they have been wrong before. They said that "we" (the monsters) will be trapped forever, because no entrances or exits exist, and human will never fall. That's obviously wrong. As I said, they're on equal footing with Alphys' entries, if we ignore the obvious fact that Alphys is a Royal Scientist, and thus, we choose the one that's later on the timeline, the entires. If actually take her standing into account, her entries are more plausible.

Of course, none of this matters if they don't actually contradict.

"In fact, their sole purpose is to be correct."

They broke that purpose.

"Just like the intro."

And yet you claim the intro was wrong just to support your "third race" theory, while my simpler one keeps the intro correct.

"Alphys however has been wrong on several occassions, most notably with the amalgamates. Her purpose is therefore not correctness."

Actually, the only case she got something wrong was with the amalgamates. We do have her getting the layout of the CORE wrong, but that's because Mettaton rearranged it.

"Also, that thing with Flowey was fake, apparently. Brb I gotta kill someone quick."

Yeah, it's easy to fake things these days. Here's another fake video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIaByZsbMPA