Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31371445-20170222233857/@comment-32182236-20181116015214

"I was asking myself this as I was thinking about the mechanics of Sans's battle."

Where did Sans mess up?

"Or why don't the monsters simply block the roads if a human happens to enter the underground."

That's simple-If they did, the monsters couldn't cross either.

"The lack of utilization of these tropes and whatnot is just mind-boggling to me. Though, if you want a concrete answer to that question, perhaps, the crystals lose their power if you detach them."

So, from that, two things. First, I presume that means the crystals do not HAVE the magic, but draw them from a source, and utilize said magic to make the field. Works out. Second.. Let's now see how that links into his next line:Knolwedge like THAT is how he managed to survive this long..

"Is it a deux ex machina then? Or yet another inexplicable rule we could categorize as C? You know, the simulation hypothesis at least gives it an explanation. And I mean one which is plausible for our own reality. Which is where we're drawing our reasoning from anyways."

Undertale ISN'T our own reality. If we use those standards, my old light wave hypothesis (remember THAT?) is actually the best explanation for SOUL colors after all, Chara should have died from the fall, and the ice blocks from Snowdin should melt well before they reach the CORE. As long as the rules are self-consistent, and can make sense under some primary set of physical laws that always apply, it can work.

Now, there are two possible explanations I can think of to explain this. The first is that somehow, Gerson himself is being protected by some sort of magical aura (maybe from the power of the crystals!), and thus is immune to the human attack. The second possibility is that just like humans can only get harmed by bullets when a FIGHT has already been initated, the same goes for monsters, and something about the current state is preventing Frisk from initiating one. (Yes, humans can typically initate fights. If they couldn't, they wouldn't be able to attack the monsters to start the war.)

"I'm trying to reason that most of the HUD stuff is totally ad hoc. That is, very difficult to describe in terms of our own universe, consisting of very specific conditions, which are more reminiscent of a computer program, rather than something that has evolved on its own, and most importantly, is it really magic? Magic comes from souls. But souls are a part of this system."

In my take, the SOULs are in fact the main cause of the system. The SOUL being displaced from the body is what requires that items be used from a menu, since they cannot be physically held, and that requires attacks to be used in a different way. While the monsters trap your SOUL into the battle box during their turn, which you can only teleport out of once you've gathered stray magic from bullets (In Deltarune, stray magic from bullets is canon, but we're not sure about Undertale), and have no interference from said bullets, onto the four fields of magic, which are used to perform certain effects. I think you're familiar with what those effects ARE.

"I meant, my findings make it necessary to create an additional condition for the SLR power, due to Asriel's battle. If I were to reconsider, I'd break more than I'd fix. I'm not gonna reconsider everything because of one minor detail, which is starting to look more and more like a plot hole the longer I stare at it."

I've already compiled a solution FOR you though! (The DT fluctuation) But if you see problems with my solution, present them, so I can fix those too!

"That's not what I'm talking about though. I'm saying he doesn't address this in the FINAL fight, that's my point."

The rule about mentions is mentions within the story PERIOD.

"You have bamboozled him, and he doesn't even acknowledge it. Why?"

I just said it, you didn't actually bamboozle him. You still have o fight Asriel again anyways, you haven't won.

"Plot hole? Your DT? Your DT seems like the better explanation, but then again, we are using the same argument to argue why we have these powers to begin with. Careful there."

What's wrong with using the same argument to explain two things at once?

"As for the bug in the ruins, I dunno. Could be still there. I'm too tired to check right now. If the condition prevails though, it's obvious what's going on. Toby is lazy as fuck. I mean, he literally fixed characters walking over air with glass tiles, instead of addressing the core issue. What else do you expect? You expect him to create a detailed autosave for the final battle just to deal with that supposed plot hole? HA! Yeah, like that's gonna happen in a million years."

I asked another question, you know. When was the message sent to Toby?