Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-28009984-20160319184042/@comment-28009984-20160319220334

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1) The thing is, there's no evidence that all of the humans were children, here's why: according to the 'prequel' picture of war, Frisk would actually be adult human size and not a child (unless the ones who waged war were children). Since monsters are so much taller than humans, in Toriel's eyes they would all be children. Also the children shoes could've been made by Toriel herself (since she's obsessed with them).

If Frisk managed to get this far, why couldn't someone who 'even when they felt trapped, took notes and achieved the end of this mess'. There are more points to confirm this: when you fight Sans, his poison attacks are purple (Perseverance); Gerson seems to be an archeologist and would appreciate an intelligent conversation. Though one thing doesn't add: Perseverance writes in a normal human alphabet (Omega Flowey fight).

As I mentioned before, Gaster could be related to Shyren (uncanny resemblance, 66 HP), he is encountered in nearly the same location.

2) Electricity started existing in the underground just because the Core was created. Without it, without Gaster they still would've lived like in Medieval Ages.

3) She says it's 'endangered' but it doesn't make much sense. On the other hand, long ago, seeing someone helpless and afraid hiding in the grass from her 'greatest hero', knowing it's not a fair fight - could've caused this. And I mean that that someone must've either been teleported there, or was quite a bit 'off' and wouldn't react properly.

4) Alphys used some sort of blueprints to extract determination out of souls, building that machine isn't entirely credited to her.

5) Monster souls dissapear right after their deaths, they can't persist, therefore they can't become ghosts (ghosts live forever and can't be killed), but I guess there could be exceptions. Papyrus and Sans drops clues like breadcrumbs that they're former humans (including the last 'prank' by Sans - bleeding ketchup). Papyrus only show emotions to fit in, he even says once that he hoped he could love the human just because they've gone out on a date, but he still feels nothing. And Sans doesn't even bother.

Also, it is never said that monsters actually managed to kill at least one human before the underground. Since monsters are able to absorb human souls, humans might also have some means of becoming 'monster-like'.