Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20190820122909/@comment-32182236-20190823175325

I suppose that makes sense. You did a good job.

The theory that Gaster was forgotten doesn't eliminate the idea of the fountain being for Gaster... It actually makes him a stronger candidate!

Sometimes things go the complete opposite of how you expect them to.. But we can learn from that.

If by trying to debunk the idea of Gaster being the person on the statue.. I just made it stronger... That says a lot about the possibility curve of truth-values of this idea.

But where do you keep getting this idea that Undertale happens ten years after Chara fell? I still think it's centuries, and we still have the evidence I provided you earlier supporting this proposition.

Chara's story has turned into legend. Many details of it have been lost, and others completely added in.

For instance.. Asriel did not smile, and turn away as he was dying. He was resisting Chara's attempts at fighting the humans.

Now, it makes sense why the monsters wouldn't know the latter:They couldn't have seen what happened in the Surface. This is further evidenced by the fact that the story only mentions Asriel stumbling home AFTER he returns to the Underground-That's when they SAW him-He stumbled before then as well. That's what happens when two people try to control one body.

But why did they add in the former? Why add in the detail that Asriel smiled?

Chara's story is a legend now. It's been centuries.

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Blow after blow, not shot after shot.

How many villages still exist inside of the United States? The narrator states that Vegetoid is not monitored by the USDA, so Ebott is in the United States of America.

All the evidence points to 201X, the year that Chara fell.. Being in the distant past.

Because monsters don't use the same calendar as humans do.

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Underground, it would be nearly impossible to measure seasons. Only three places to observe sunlight, and temperature changing based on biomes, not where you are.

It's fall in the Ruins, winter in Snowdin, and summer in Hotland. Oh, and it's spring in Waterfall.

Yet, all of Undertale happens in just one day.

With no way to tell the seasons, there's just no reason to believe that the monsters would evolve the same calendar as the humans did. The war happened before the Gregorian calendar existed.

Not only that, the benchmark for year one could have been different as well.

We currently base our years based off of an (outdated) estimate for the birth of Christ, given what the gospels say.

But there have been other proposals on what year zero should be.

There's the Human Era calendar, which puts us at year 12019, based on estimates on the building of the first temple. There's the Ab urbe condita system, which was used in Rome, which made year 1 the founding of Rome.

The Kingdom of Monsters is a Monarchy, and it was common in mocnarchies to make year 1 be year one of the current monarch's rule.

So, what should we expect the monster calendar to be?

My hypothesis is that year 1 on the monster calendar is the year of the founding of the Kingdom of Monsters.

However, just as the Common Era gives an incorrect estimate on the biblical birth of Christ, the monster calendar might have also been off by a few years. Or more, since it was hard to tell seasons underground.