Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-30088034-20170108152544/@comment-30088034-20170117233647

Mabian wrote: Yes I&#039;m single wrote: 1. Mabian, what do you say about whether monsters have love? I don't see any issue with the idea that a monster could have some LOVE, though the way they are constructed tends against it. It's possible that some of the monsters you encounter, such as Gerson, Undyne, Sans, and Asgore, have a bit of LOVE. Most of the monsters are quite clearly confusing the human with a monster, and not realizing that their magic is hurting the human. So most of the monsters we encounter in the game likely don't have any LOVE.

'''how much love do monsters get from killing frisk? what about just attacking him?'''

2. On a soulless pacifist route, why can't chara just take control over you and do pacifist? is it because chara erased the world? And are there any easter eggs in that route, like flowey saying "This is your soul. The very creation of your being." Wait, you don't have a soul". and flowey remembers if you've done genocide before right?


 * The following is purely speculation, so take it with a good deal of salt:

I believe Toby's intention was that Frisk, Chara, and the player are supposed to be three separate entities exercising control of Frisk's body at different times. Once a True Pacifist route is completed, the player's influence over Frisk is gone, and Frisk goes off to live their own life. But, if we have sold Frisk's soul to Chara, then once the player has no more control, Chara has complete control, allowing them to perform the acts they intended. That is why Chara needs us to perform another True Pacifist run.

wow that's confusing.


 * There are no easter eggs when running a Soulless Pacifist route until the very end. No character remembers that you performed a Genocide run, and Flowey's memory is completely reset as it is in a True Reset. Nothing changes about the game except for a small bit of the ending. There was supposedly meant to be a few more tiny details, but that stuff was removed from the final release of the game.
 * but then how do you still have your soul? (moving it around)

3. Why does chara want frisk to do a pacifist if they like killing? And why doesn't he just kill frisk? By performing a True Pacifist route, you have all of the monsters alive, plus the Barrier broken allowing access to the Surface and humanity. So that maximizes the amount of people that Chara can kill. In comparison, any route which results in the Barrier intact means that Chara can only kill the monsters.

'''but this is only viable if you've already done a genocide, right? or is it every time? because chara is still a spirit at the end of pacifist right?'''

And if Chara were to kill Frisk, they would lose the body they are trying to possess.

4. kind of related to my other questions, but would chara rather you do a genocide twice or a pacifist after? Pacifist. In fact, Chara specifically tries to push you toward a True Pacifist route if you complete the Genocide route again.