Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-32783587-20180302162510/@comment-32783587-20180314010137

Tsskyx wrote: "no no no, toriel and asgore are WAY different. one is a deep voice, and one is a high voice. he speaks in a generic voice because he wants to blend in with other monsters and make it seem like hes not flowey (if he was flowey, frisk wouldnt accept his help and would take longer to advance the game)" Alas, there is no proof he's able to produce this sound. Again, this is no argument.

im using this to disprove people who previously sais "but the voice is different" im just saying that its possible and (based on my other proofs( makes it more likely than not)

"flowey knows much more than we do. and in the neutral ending is simply because he doesnt help you until after the route (because that is the best way to get pacifist, by simply restarting  after a neutral so flowey can finally be what he wants, asriel. being the riverman helps him reach places faster for neutral, whether or not he killed people, so frisk can go pacifist."

Okay, I'll cut you off there. First off, he didn't label those routes himself. He doesn't "know" more about the individual timelines than we do in a strict sense. After all, from his point of view, we've just arrived. No, he simply has a plan to gather everyone, and for that, you must befriend everyone. Second, he can literally burrow himself and travel underground. Imo that's much more convenient and arguably faster than riding a boat on a river in a dark cavern while roleplaying as some McBlueHood Mysterio (yes, I just made that up).

yeah, so transporting them places helps frisk with the neutral (finishing the game, telling him to reset is frisk killed monsters to initiate pacifist)  or, if frisk is genocide, to initiate genocide where he ALSO becomes all powerful (well, he THINKS they will be)

and you keep saying that he could just teleport, but the point is he has to bring frisk WITH him. teleporting or traveling underground probably couldnt make frisk go with him, so theres no point. and you keep trying to say that him dressing up in that costume is entirely random but thats like saying "oh woshua is weird because he has a duck" lots of things in the game are weird, so something being random is no surprised.

Third, the fastest way to reach the pacifist ending is to mercy and befriend everyone. Like, literally. You don't even need to fight Asgore to reach the true pacifist ending. But that's not something a lot of people know.

really? are you sure? i thought the undyne  phone call  while backtracking only initiated after the photoshop flowey reset.

But that's all besides the point, since you thought that you need to reset after the fight with Omega Flowey, while in reality, if you didn't kill anyone, you can simply reload. Shows how much you really know about the game.

but i dont get how this proves your point. knowing the game doesnt mean you cant make good theories.

"so any argument against me could be said: we dont know as much as flowey knows. probably dressing up, hiding his true identity, bringing him between places. as for why he doesnt show up, its because hotland is the only place where you can truly backtrack and have benefits for progressing the game into pacifist (and if genocide,  he can take you places to kill more monsters. remember, flowey is happy with genocide (he doesnt know hell die) AND pacifist, just not neutral"

RP won't show up each time you wind up at a port, but stepped out of the boat elsewhere. He also won't show up prior to Hotland, since he docks in Hotland by default. If this was Flowey, and he really wanted to help you, he would have the boat ready at any destination no matter where you dock, and he also wouldn't make you WALK all the way to Hotland if his goal was to get the souls, knowing that Chara (who he thinks you are) might be able to convince Asgore to show where he has them stored. That was my point here. You didn't explain anything.

he doesnt help too much because he doesnt want to seem suspicious. not only that, but the hotland thing, HOW could he help you if there are no boats around? water transportation is faster than any way i could think of.

Or maybe, I just didn't understand you. You speak English, but you still babble only illogical nonsense.

that dont make no sense.... just because you disagree means im an idiot? ass! well, not really, because i sometimes do the same thing, but be open to some different opinions!

"well, he moves fro ruins to hotland, so he had to cross water at some point on the way to waterfall.. meaning yes he can go over water, whether he teleports or not"

On the way through Waterfall. There are no rivers in Snowdin that he would have to cross. But that's besides the point, since he could just burrow UNDER the riverbed.

yeah, proving my point against someone who said "well how could he burrow underwater"

"sigh. i know theres flaws here, but the benefits above outweigh this one TINY drawback -_-"

This theory has no benefits. It is rather very counterproductive. And ↑that, that's not just a "tiny drawback", that's literally a hole in your reasoning, a hole in your entire "theory". What you currently have, is nothing but a failing hypothesis. Before you call something a theory, make sure it accounts for EVERYTHING we observe. But I really don't want to lecture you on basic logic and the principles of the scientific method. You should have done that research yourself.

science can kill itself because it doesnt matter here. how is it a hole and not a tiny flaw? name one theory that is not confirmed in the game, and i can name a flaw.

"i cant, so why are you using that  argument, but still trying to disprove me"

Because I already know how this will end. Unless you forfeit and retract your claims. But that rarely ever happens in these 'discussions.'

"wow okay, have your own opinion. but he probs is flowey. ive also thinking he might be sans but thats a long shot."

I was being sarcastic for the sake of an argument. BOI.