Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20190617222636/@comment-26006155-20190722021807

Ok, we seem to keep missing each other in these replies and counter-replies. So let me see if I can set out the current timeline about The Migration To New Home, and if we can agree on it:

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In the Middle Ages, Asgore's monsters arrived in the Underground around the area where New Home would later be. But they were afraid of further human attacks, so they traveled as far away from this entry point as possible, to the opposite end of the caverns, and founded the then-capital of Home, in the area that is now The Ruins.

The Ruins Door was one-way as a defensive measure, to protect against any human attacks that might follow the monsters, acting like a castle keep.

However, monsters still explored and partly inhabited the other areas of the Underground. Especially The Garbage Dump, which was their one resource for keeping track of the human world above, as well as learning from their technology.

While residing in the current capital of Home, Toriel used a camcorder to make a home movie of her and Asgore talking about having a child. A home movie that later turned up in the archives in New Home along with the others.

When Asriel was born, the Dreemur Family still resided in Home/TheRuins. He was their only child at the time, so they made a single bed for him, which can still be seen to this day.

The Dreemurs must have resided in Home in the early part of 201X, because Toriel has a calendar that dates to that time.

When Gaster arrived, his technological prowess took the monster world by storm, and completely changed their defensive attitude regarding the humans. They no longer had to fear the humans.. the humans now had to fear them!

No longer fearing the humans, the monsters migrated out of Home, and made the journey to build the linked structures of The Core and New Home, right at the exit point to the Underground. You have to travel through The Core to get to New Home, and Gaster designed The Core. So Gaster was with the monsters during this trip.

At some point in time, Gaster suffered a mishap in The Core, shattering him across time and space. Since the rest of the royal family was immortal, and The Royal Scientist is the only royal possition we know of other than The Royal Guard, the MTT Memorial Fountain was most likely made for Gaster, who was widely regarded as a hero at the time of his death.

When Chara fell, she landed in The Ruins, and was found by Asriel. The Dreemur family adopted Chara into the Royal Family, and gave her a bed in the Current Capital: New Home. Not Home. When Chara fell, New Home was the capital of the monsters. And there was no need to build her a bed in the old Ruins.

Chara arrived in New Home at The End of 201X, by Asgore's calendar and Narrator Chara's own admission. It was only an hour's walk from The Ruins, so there was no need to build her a bed there, Asriel just took her to New Home.

Since Chara fell in Winter 2019, and the doomed Buttercup Adventure required flowers that would only bloom in spring, Spring 2020 is the very earliest time Chara and Asriel could have died together. Which means the MTT Fountain, made in 201X, could not have been made for them.

After Chara and Asriel died, Asgore made his declaration that all humans who arrived in The Underground would be harvested for their souls. Asgore had no human souls stored at this time, as Toriel later berates him as a coward for not taking the first soul and using it himself to travel to the surface and harvest more.

Asgore's declaration prompted Toriel to seperate from him, and return to The Ruins, where she locked The Ruins Door from outside access. Although she would still open the door and travel to visit Alphys at some point to get her phone upgraded, so she could text with Sans.

While residing at The Ruins, Toriel saw at least Six Humans (she never gives us the actual number) pass through and travel to the Underground. Toriel is aware of the fate of these humans, and that Asgore killed them, so Toriel is still getting information from The Underground. Most likely through her phone.

Is everything I've listed about square with you, Ambassador?

Is this something we can agree on?