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Didn't they say lights were coming from the crystals on the ceiling? We get to see them in a few places. While the light of The Barrier is different, perhaps the sequence where we have to light the cyrstals to light our way happens in a tunnel or such where there isn't access to the ceiling?

Hmm.. some parts like Snowdin are well lit, with dark ceilings. While others like Frisk and Monster Kid's trip through Waterfall are dark.. with bright ceilings. Interesting.

While I agree that the Waterfall Glyphs were certainly made before Chara arrived, and date back to the time the monsters first entered the Underground and traveled to Home, why do you say the Glyphs must have been made after the birth of Asriel?

We know Toriel has a camcorder in her hands before Asriel was even concieved.

And that Asriel had a bed in Home, which is where he lived before the move to New Home. Which happened when Gaster arrived. Which itself happened before Chara arrived.

So Asriel became active in the Underground before Chara did. Regardless of how fast they age.

You have an interesting point in that Frisk only seems to sleep for a few seconds at a time, and the other characters notices this. And that the Froggit at the beginning says that it's still the same day as when Frisk's adventure began. This might simply be the game being self-referential. Or it could be that people with PSI heal faster.

I don't actually think destroying the Ruins Door was an issue. It was one-way, and Frisk was able to walk right through it going on. It's a defensive measure to keep humans from coming in and attacking Home.

I think Toriel was just testing us.

Many years passed between Gaster's death and Alphy's appointment to Royal Scientist. I don't think she worked with him. And if any of my theories are close, Gaster would want to keep his inner circle of friends very tight, so I don't think he was especially keen on teaching the monsters more than they needed to know.

Leaving Alphys to gather his notes and learn what she could when he started work years later.

Do Darkeners actually bleed? Do we see that in Deltarune? I thought most enemies just got bonked and spun off-screen?

Granted, the animated game pieces are probably very different in nature from Ralsei and Lancer, so they might operate under different rules.

Yes, I did notice that Kris' transport doors look a lot like the light under Sans' door.

Undertale makes a point of telling us the monsters learn technology from human garbage, then make the waterfall garbage dump an important area in the game on several occasions.

It's through his garbage that the monsters learn about the human world above. And what they learn also tells us about this world too.

The whole issue of whether anime is real on the surface or not is raised, too. The condition of the human world is important. And waterfall's garbage dump is how we learn about it.

What metric the monsters use to determine what is ancient or not. Toriel has a cell phone and a camcorder. All of which is in line technologically with the real world 2010-2020 calendar. I see no reason why the monsters should have a different way to measure time, or why the current year should vary far from this metric.