Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-30088034-20170108152544/@comment-27701762-20170109014731

Yes I&#039;m single wrote: 2. ok. was it because she thought it was cruel that asgore would use his own son's soul? or that they just didnt get a proper burial? Well, Asgore doesn't use Chara's soul, as it disappears when Asriel dies (Chara's soul is red, and you'll note when you fight Asgore that none of the six souls he brings up are red). It's likely just that Toriel wanted to give Chara a proper burial.

3. but then who solves all of the puzzles in snowdin/ruins/basically everywhere else? is it chara? Frisk is the one who does it, with help of the player. The Ruins are all done by the protagonist. Snowdin is also done by the player, with Papyrus giving up on the puzzles once it is clear that the human doesn't want to play along. Potentially the only place where Flowey might solve a puzzle for the human is with the little button that has to be pressed to cause some spikes to drop, which is pressed down by vines on the Genocide run (which then removes the problem, since Flowey isn't helping Frisk on non-Genocide routes). The only place where Frisk receives out from another source is Hotland, where Alphys often steps in to help by shutting down lasers.

4. but if asriel killed 6 more humans to free the monsters, wouldn't that just start another war? and also wouldn't chara still be dead? if so, chara would sacrifice themselves just to free the monsters? that's really nice. and asriel also was really nice because he was reluctant to kill the humans. and toriel/asgore didn't know the plan, right? If it did start another war, Asriel (with seven human souls) would be so powerful that the humans would lose. Yes, Chara would still be dead, but Chara sacrificed themself, potentially, to escape the Underground and destroy humanity. Meanwhile, yes, Toriel and Asgore had no idea about the plan.

5. read 1. did toby fox make this specualtion on purpose, or just forgot to add the details. (similarly, what happens to frisk in a neutral ending) It's possible that Toby made it ambiguous intentionally, or it could be that he made it fairly clear (taking the various lines and behaviors given at face value, Chara seems to be pretty malevolent from the beginning), and people are just overcomplicating it.

As for Frisk at the Neutral ending, there are various theories, since it too is unclear. Some think that Frisk is able to escape the Underground, some think that Frisk dies, some think that Frisk is still trapped somewhere in the Underground, and some think that Flowey creates a sort of pocket dimension where Frisk is trapped. This part seems to be blatantly ambiguous.

6. so when frisk fights asriel, they want to do that at first, but then gain too much compassion that they break the barrier instead? what a quick a change of thoughts. was it the souls that made him nice, or realizing that frisk wasn't chara? The reason that Asriel as Flowey is so cruel is that he has spent perhaps hundreds of accumulated years trying to recreate his lost feelings and failing, and eventually deciding that manipulating people and killing them is much more fun. So upon regaining his true form, Asriel is still operating on that Flowey mentality, as it has been so long since he has felt any sort of love and compassion. It is only when Frisk reaches out to Asriel's soul and reminds him of his compassion that Asriel changes, and at first he refuses to let go of his plan, but he is unable to overcome the emotions he is feeling, which leads him to the decision to use his power to break the Barrier. It may seem sudden, but there is a rather dramatic event that happens when Frisk reaches out to Asriel's soul.

7. wow, that's a lot there. poor papyrus! also, why doesn;t flowey just kill everyone? or is he not strong until he gains souls? Flowey has killed everyone. Perhaps this is where some of the confusion is coming in, but you should probably play the Genocide route up to New Home, or at least read Flowey's dialogue from that portion. Flowey tells his story about what happened to him, and essentially what happened is that he learned how to save and reset, and from there began using his powers for a variety of purposes. He started off trying to help people and regain his compassion, but when that failed, he started killing, and eventually gave into his "kill or be killed" mentality. So there have been occasions where he has killed all of the monsters, and then reset to try doing something else. But he can't absorb the souls of the monsters (since those monster souls disappear immediately), unless he has a huge amount of power (i.e. the power from the six human souls), so he's essentially stuck as a flower.

8.or it could be false understanding of the world. hey, who even wrote the signs in waterfall anyway? Well the angel bit is a prophecy, so not strictly based on an "understanding" of how the world works. As for who wrote the signs, no one knows and it is never even hinted at.

9. again, who solves the puzzles in the genocide route? is it chara? which leads back to my original question about this: why does chara only interfere with genocide? For the first two questions I'll return to my response to question 3. For the last question, I'll return to what I had said originally: one possibility is that by gaining LOVE, or by engaging in the obvious desire to kill everything, Frisk is giving into Chara's influence, allowing Chara to take over for just a bit until the very end when Chara can take complete control.