Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31981697-20170722123329/@comment-32182236-20170904013003

1)He did give them away, but he still had power remaining FROM the SOULs. And it takes the same amount of SOUL power to maintain Hyperdeath as it does to maintain regular Asriel.

As for infinite health, let's take a look at the battle in question.

There are no buttons at all, and no LV-simply an infinite HP. Not only that, we don't even get a bar. This is clearly a different interface than what we're given. It's almost as if it's not even PUR health that's being shown... After all, Asriel actually DOES have infinite HP. What if Asriel is showing us his HP?

2)It's an avatar of Toby, that has several differences from the Toby of the present. Actually, maybe in a few years Toby will put bad posts all over the internet, but probably not. As I said before, this dog, while it is probably Toby (just, a slightly.. DIFFERENT Toby), the game is not Undertale, as the time the game takes place in does not match the time of Undertale's release. This is simply another one of his projects. And we can't use "the logos are similar" as proof it's Undertale, as similarties between logos do not imply a connection. By that logic, we can conclude that said basketball team has connections to the Nazis just because they both have swatika logos. Therefore, while the dog is an avatar of Toby (The trailer and Toby Fox himself says so), the game in question is not Undertale. Besides, if we call the room non-canon because Toby is in it, them we can also say Papyrus is non-canon because Toby steals his special attack. We can call Toriel non-canon because Toby steals her phone. Well, Sans is related to both of those, so now he's non-canon. And Undyne trained Papyrus. She's non-canon. Undyne was trained by Asgore, and HE'S non-canon.. Everything's non-canon now. Look at all this nonsense.

The game has none of these "nonsense" moments, we create the nonsense when we mess up on our theories. It's canon, and only "nonsense" if you assume that the game in question is Undertale, and not an Undertale that was made within the world of Undertale, rather than literally the world itself. And we can simply not make that assumption, and it's all fine!

3)They didn't go anywhere because we didn't reach the Singularity yet. They will when computers overtake humans in processing power, or maybe a decade or two afterwards, but still far before 211X.

4)Well, Frisk has to select the buttons somehow! That'll just configure what Frisk needs to do to select the buttons! Also, is that in the PS4 version?

5)...How is that a spoiler. And that's not how games work. You're sometimes mislead, but the information itself has never been wrong, it's just we weren't given enough to figure put the true meaning,

Also, here's some evidence AGAINST the credibility of the plaques, evidence that we should think of them as actual plaques made by actual monsters who have actual flaws instead of Toby giving us information-The plaques actually state that the underground has no entrances or exist-And that monsters would be trapped underground forever. ...We already know that this is false the moment we start the game.

The game/developer is more reliable than monsters who didn't do their research and make such faulty assumptions. And as I pointed out, the plaques only say that it was hardly a war, they don't actually say how long it was. What's to say that the plaques and the intro can't both be true? That the war was a long battle, but hardly a war, as not a single SOUL was absorbed? With the HUD explanation I gave, it would also mean not a single human was KILLED... Yeah, that would hardly be called a war if the monsters didn't get a single kill, no matter how long this "battle" happened.

6)...Still, though, evidence suggests that monsters aren't normally aware of the HUD. If Aaron saw the HUD, then why didn't Aaron do a Sans and start dodging our attacks? And why is Aaron, of all monsters, able to see the HUD, but not the Great Papyrus himself? What about Undyne? What about Alphys? What about Mettaton? What about everyone?!

It just creates so much nonsense. However, when we already have instances of the narrator being heard before (Napstablook and Tsunderplane), what is so nonsensical, wrong, or illogical about taking into consideration the very LIKELY possibility, that the monsters are aware of a narrator?! It would explain SO much, and it naturally fits in, and looks like the most likely option, as it raises the least questions-Zero.

Or it could be a sign of a designer of the world of Undertale. After all, there's no way someone could change the laws pf physics themselves, but what if that's how the world of Undertale was originally designed? The mere fact that LV and EXP exist is quite unnatural for a world-How can distancing yourself physically make you stronger? The world of Undertale ITSELF isn't natural. Someone had to design it for it to be that way.

8)Except it's NOT unspecified and suited for the player because they have a TRUE name-Chara, short for Character.. Oh wait.. Toby?! Did you really just name the 1st human a shorter version of "Character"? ...Well, Chara is a real name-And that's what I'm going with. This was Chara's true name. So we ARE "changing" Chara's name. Also, we can't use "it's a game". You know who we'd be naming if this was a regular game? We'd be naming Frisk. We also don't see Frisk's SOUL interact with the SAVE menu. Frisk is interacting with those menus a different way, namely, some kind of "joystick". Pretty much everything in Undertale has a meaning behind it, even things that look like just game mechanics (SAVE, RESET, EXP), and stuff that looks like Toby being inconsistent (One striped human vs two striped human, flowers vs no flowers) have their reasons.

Hm, I wonder why it was hard? Perhaps because Toriel didn't get any practice from making them for Chara? Also, Chara's not the narrator in hard mode. None of the evidence that suggests Chara to be the narrator exists within hard mode. Under the new timeline, the most probable candidate for the narrator is the second (now first) human. Buried under the golden flowers.

The flowers were not there through the hole. The flowers came from Asgore's garden, which someone planted in after burying the first human. (Yeah, I'm not counting Chara, because they don't exist here)

I think I just realized a double-meaning of "Reset" now in Undertale. It liteally means re-set. You're resetting the FUN value, the timeline you're going to. Alas, why is is specifically the name Frisk that takes us to this new timeline? Did Chara take Frisk there as an act of vengeance for naming them after themselves, causing confusion?

Undertale is no normal game. And everything CAN make sense within the game. And we can find out what the correct explanation of the story is by eliminating all the ones that contradict evidence, until we're left with only one.

9)You're right that it doesn't crash, it simply restarts. However, the fact still stands that you've been sent to the menu/intro. My explanation still stands as a working one. :3

11)The barrier is in fact made out of SOUL power. In fact, it being made out of determination is quite silly, especially when we compare Frisk's determination with Asriel's. Sometimes they have more determination alone than over 6 humans combined. Determination massively fluctuates from human to human, with the red trait itself being on the high end. SOUL power, however, does not. And there's no evidence determination dictates a SOUL's strength-We can't just assume that it does, especially when there's evidence to the contrary!

Now, as the Omega Flowey/Asriel battles show, determination can fluctuate, and by quite a lot too! Now, let's just say for a moment that your theory is actually correct-SOUL power is synomous with determination. Now, that means that Asriel had the determination of seven SOULs, so Frisk just gained an extra human SOUL of determination (at least! And if we stand by your theory that red is NOT determination, then Frisk multiplied their determination by 7!) Now, all the monsters combined is only enough to make one human SOUL. Now, there's at least 106 monsters in the Underground.. Let's just give your theory the benefit of the doubt and say that's the number of monsters there are. I'll even round it down to 100, meaning that a monster SOUL has 1% of the determination of a human.

Now, you need at least a human+monster SOUL to leave the Underground. That would be 101% of a human SOUL's determination. And as we saw with Frisk, determination can fluctuate. Frisk got at least a 16.666666% increase in determination from Asriel. (If red is NOT determination, it's 600%. Hm, seems like red being determination is more plausible, doesn't it?) Well, the monster SOUL doesn't even make that much of a difference! In fact, the 16% fluctation will mean that you would actually be able cross the barrier without a monster SOUL just by being determined-The monster SOUL would only make it slightly easier. So now we have a nonsensical contradiction.

Determination isn't SOUL power.

12)The declaration was simply that every human who fell downwould die-That's what the story the monsters told us say!

13)Yes, you CAN. It doesn't mean you DID. And Frisk DIDN'T, so they pointed that out.

14)Napstablook and Tsunderplane, we've gone other this. We also have Aaron, something we're discussing right now. And if Flowey knows about the player, then Undertale is canonically a game. Glitchtale time! :3

You disregard evidence as jokes because they don't have evidence to back THEMSELVES up? I could disregard basic things in the game this way. I could say Sans never existed because his name is a pun on his font, and his whole existence is a joke. Same thing with Papyrus. Look, we can't just say stuff can't be canon, when there's no evidence whatsoever that it's non-canon. If it makes sense within canon, then it's probably canon. That is, if it's actually something you can find via legitamate gameplay.

15)And the player being a canon entity within the game would mean that both the HUD and the fact that the world is a game are canon. Two meta claims for the price of one!