Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31371445-20170222233857/@comment-32182236-20180819235102

"Also, let's talk about Frisk's soul again."

Alright. But, make sure to respond to the rest of my points too.

"Why does Asgore, Undyne or any RG member really, with the exception of Papyrus of course, seemingly want to destroy it?"

They want to damage it, yes, but destroy it?

"A human soul will persist after death. The death of what? The human, their body. Logically, a death of the soul is the death of the soul and nothing else, it should not persist after a fatal magical attack. And yet it does and it is the body that dies (presumably). If the monsters are fighting over the soul, why are they trying to destroy it?"

They're not. They're damaging it, so that it can no longer connect with the body. As we know, items that heal the SOUL heal the body as well:Damage to the SOUL damages the body as well, as Toriel indirectly proves. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B6gS2LPXdIc5cGJlTDRzYWVBMWs

Not hit? "Not a scratch". Scratches. PHYSICAL scratches is what she was looking for, and the messages for if you ARE damaged proves she does find them if you're damaged. But all the monsters attacked was your SOUL. Therefore, damaging one's SOUL will damage their body as well-Likely because of the connection between the two-Perhaps the SOUL sends its damage to the body to protect itself?

"(Maybe killing a human physically - the only way to keep their soul intact, was too difficult for most monsters, hence why there's no mention of a monster absorbing a human soul before Asriel's time.)"

Yes, not attacking them by their SOUL would indeed be difficult, due to the power of humans. All of their magical weapons do NO damage to the body:All they manage to do is make you enter a fight, leaving your SOUL vurnerable.

"Ps. I believe Frisk's soul shatters merely to let free the essence inside it, so that it can go back in time through the nearest save point and give the past Frisk the memories of the most recent run. There is no better way to explain this, certainly not by saying the soul did it on purpose to not let the monsters take the soul - being this mean to the monsters should warrant a choice: [SHATTER] or [GIVE AWAY], yet we got no such choice, so the soul didn't decide... or maybe it was because we were dead and this was the soul's natural instinct... which would contradict the saying about them persisting after death, so maybe it was not an instinct after all and my explanation with the essence is the only one that really works."

There's a third possibility. It's not the SOUL's natural instinct.. It's the instinct of DT within our body. And yes, in this case, it would likely be to go back in time... But before a monster could absorb the SOUL and steal that ability-Hence it happening instantaneously, and not just waiting for you to LOAD your file the natural way. As Chara's resserection proved, human essence is not bound to the SOUL, if the SOUL is gone, the essence is within the body:That's the only way our DT could resserect Chara, and actually GET Chara rather than, say, a p-zombie.

"Anyways, if you were a monster trying to take the soul, would you attack the soul, or would you attack the body? Either the soul sometimes represents the body itself, especially when facing RG monsters and Asgore, though such explanation would warrant too many asterisks, or maybe, there is a way to make the soul persist after death, even by attacking it."

It's the latter.

"Maybe the monsters are attacking it in a way that would make it persist, but not die."

Exactly.

"Though, I cannot imagine every monster wants to kill you, especially the Froggits, who are talking about mercy themselves, and there's no difference between such an attack and a regular attack that should destroy the soul instead of making it persist after death."

I already proved not every one of them wants to kill you. Not all of them will encounter you in the first place-Even under the worst case scenario, less than half of the monsters encounter you. Also, more than one Froggit exists, you know. Saying that because ONE Froggit talks about mercy, ALL of them are merciful is quite the generalization. Stop it with the stereotypes. Besides, the Froggit flat-out said that if they don't want to fight anymore, you are to use mercy. That means if you can't use mercy, they want to fight. It's that simple. Please, explain where the flaw is in my proof. I'll put it in first-order logic form again. Remember, W is the monsters' want to fight, and M is whether or not mercy is a working course of action.

Premise 1:¬W->M (Proven by Froggit)

Conclusion:By transposition, ¬M->W

"So maybe, my initial assumption that the soul shatters when killed by magic is wrong. But of course, HP = hit points."

No evidence. Remember, we thought that EXP meant experience points, but it doesn't. Also, why can't that be our BODY'S hit points?

"(A) the soul "sucks up" the energy of the body when it's about to shatter, which kills the body and heals the soul, making it persist (which is interesting, but too much work for so little time imo)"

Why not flip it around, then? It doesn't suck up the energy of the body, it redirects the damage it receives to the body. And it ALWAYS does this.

"HP represents the connections between the soul and the body, all identical and parallel to each other. You will have a harder time communicating with your soul if you have less connections (more current forced to move through the same wire), but you will die only if the connection count reaches 0. In essence, the HP is not the hit points of the soul, but of the thing keeping the body alive."

What side effects should we expect from it being harder to communicate from our SOUL? And how does that explain the Toriel bit I showed you?