Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20181123023529/@comment-32182236-20181123163023

"The Undertale library also says that Compassion is something that exists in a soul."

True, and I'm not denying that. I'm just saying we can't use things from Deltarune to prove that things happened in Undertale. The example I was specifically referring to was pointing to Asriel being alive in Deltarune as proof that Asriel never fades in Undertale. But really, Undertale and Deltarune are best described as parallel worlds. Undertale is Earth-1, and Deltarune is Earth-2.

"And Flowey makes the strange point of twice mentioning that the specific emotion he can't experience, while still capable of experiencing all the others, is Compassion. Something Boss Monster Kid Asriel was famous for having. Flowey feels that an essential part of himself is missing, and doesn't know why."

True. He's SOULless.

"Actually, Ambasador, you kind of helped my theory right then. The game makes a point of saying Chara and Asriel combined their souls together."

You're welcome, then? (Not my intention, but hey, helping make your theory stronger is a good thing too!)

"And in order to reach into Asriels' Soul to find the others.. Asriel has to have a soul you can reach into. Which means his belief that he doesn't have a soul of his own is totally gone now."

What's to say that said SOUL isn't simply the culmination of everyone else's SOUL, that is then controlled mainly by Asriel, within Asriel's body, thus becoming "his" SOUL? In the same way that after Chara takes our SOUL away, it becomes "Chara's" SOUL, despite the fact that it was originally ours? What's to say Asriel didn't just "steal" that combined SOUL?

"The exact nature of souls combining is open for debate. Photoshop Flowey is a bit like a Steven Universe fusion, where each being in the fusion has its own gem core that can still be seperated later, and can rebell and leave the fusion if given enough reason to. Flowey may have combined his soul with the six human souls, but that doesn't mean this is permanent."

It is permenant until someone frees them from said control. That's why it takes Frisk calling out to them before they can fight back, and break free of Flowey's control, and soon leaving, taking Flpwey's power away.

"And if Flowey still had Asriels' monster soul, he's still be able to feel compassion. Lots of it."

He had no SOUL whatsoever until his battle.

"The entire reason for Gerson's endgame dialog is to show that a boss monster kid gains soul energy from their parents over time. Which is a way Asriel can recharge the monster soul that he lost."

Asriel is still technically in the vessel of Flowey, though. Asriel's original body is nothing but dust, this is Asriel's NEW body, that was shapeshipted to fit the form of the original. But it is NOT the original. So we can't be certain this even applies anymore. And if it did, then Asriel is gaining SOUL energy, not physical pieces of the SOUL, but energy FROM it. And that becomes completely useless anyways once Asriel turns back into Flowey when we reboot the game (not reset, reBOOT)

Besides, let's say Flowey DOES eventually get a full monster SOUL back from Asgore and Toriel. He still needs SEVEN human SOULs worth of power to turn back into Asriel.

No matter how you look at the evidence, it all points to Asriel being gone after the Epilouge.