Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31371445-20170222233857/@comment-32182236-20180716182252

"If this is an AU, then what's the real deal? What is this universe alternative to, according to you? And don't say this one. If I know one thing, it's that no universe, no matter how alternative to our own, will have something even remotely similar to the HUD. UT is a game, not a sci-fi simulator. And besides, this game has made one fatal mistake. It's trying to refer to us, the players, while masking it like talking to Frisk. This backfired massively. Look at Oneshot for comparison. No problem there. I wonder why. So again, tell me, what is this game pretenting to be? It's own universe, or a meta tour? I have noted many times already how many things in this game would make more sense if they were actually meta, as in, the characters speaking to the player, instead to Frisk. But alright, it's a universe, let's embrace the idea. How did Flowey know about Chara? What WERE those scenes when he speaks in a seemingly empty black space all about? And most importantly, how is it supposed to be a brimming universe, if we're supposed to take everything so literally? It's a game, and we always knew that we shouldn't take the stuff we see on the screen literally when it comes to games. So what shouldn't we take literally with Undertale then, if this is not the case?"

You're confusing alternate universes with its fanon definition, which is closer to what we know as parallel universes. Alternate universes don't need to just be other versions of this one where only a few things are different. The very foundational physics can be different as well.

"How so? When we lost the ability to save because of Flowey, we also lost the HUD. I reckon the two are the same. The buttons have the same color, it all has the same themes."

We lost CONTROL of the HUD. We could still SEE the HUD just fine.

Besides, if you use that line of reasoning, it's time for another dillema!

As we both know, we DIDN'T lose the HUD in Asriel's battle. SO, if losing the HUD is the same as losing S/L/R, then that confirms that we DIDN'T lose S/L/R, meaning we did indeed have more DT in the battle, meaning a DT fluctuation did in fact happen. Frisk surpassed the DT of >6 SOULs (7 if we go with your assertion about DT being SOUL power.. But Frisk never broke the barrier, so.. That couldn't be the case, so we have to say DT isn't SOUL power) And as we know, that's a stretch, unless red is also determination.

So, you either have to accept all of that.. Or withold your statement of S/L/R being the same as the HUD itself.

"If I should be honest, I think the Froggits are a definitive proof that there is no "Undertale universe", and that the game is actually self-aware. So for example, Flowey speaking at the end of the game about resetting was doing it at us, not at Frisk. Since many players tend to name the character they're role-playing with their own name or a nick, so they would see themselves in that name. And Flowey mentioned precisely that name. And the same for the genocide route, where he called out the YouTube viewers."

In the case of the Froggits, all we had was an F4 button. No mention of a keyboard. It could just be a button on the HUD or something. But add Froggit to the list of those who know the true nature of the HUD.