Board Thread:Questions and Answers/@comment-28067574-20190904162421/@comment-32182236-20190910002938

Alright.. I'm here to go over what this means for the timeline.

First off, this quote is important.

"Every human that falls down here meets the same fate. I have seen it again and again. They come. They leave. They die."-Toriel

EVERY human. Without exception.

So, only two possibilities exist.

1-This human left the Ruins, meaning that they didn't die within the Ruins, and their items ended up in the Ruins somehow.

I'm not sure how or why. Perhaps there was something better in the chest where the Toy Knife was, and the human exchanged items? But then, what was in the chest, and what happened to it? Ultimately, some item must have been in that chest, so somebody died in the Ruins.. Unless it belonged to Chara, in which case, it doesn't make sense. Why would Chara's Real Knife be in the Ruins, but the Heart Locket be in New Home?

I just don't see how 1 could be true. But perhaps you have ideas?

2-The second human died before Toriel left.

Now, this is what the OP went along with. And at first glance, it's an easy, simple answer.

But I'm going to have to introduce a complication.

"In the center of his garden, there's something special. The first golden flower, that grew before all the others. The flower from the outside world. It appeared just before the queen left."-Entry 8

Does anyone know how long it takes for a seed to blossom into a flower?

It's definitely less than a year, I'll tell you.

That would mean the second human didn't fall that long after the first. I don't think it'd make sense for it to happen randomly. This only makes sense if Chara's fall somehow kickstarted a chain reaction, that made it MORE likely for someone to climb the mountain.

But we can't date Chara's fall too close to the time of Frisk falling, because, of course, Asriel died by being hit with blow after blow, not shot after shot.

So the second option doesn't seem all that likely either. But one of them has to be true. So we just have to find out which is more likely of the two. Unless someone can find a third possibility. I'd love for this to be a false dilemma.