Thread:Rafip/@comment-28517148-20170827134615/@comment-32182236-20171123233535

(response to the tangeant here: http://undertale.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:131998#20)

Statistics aren't just random guesses. The odds that eight humans randomly fell in the same year in a span of centuries are just too low. (Around 1 in 10^18)

"And only by pure coincident they have named it Video Home System as same as invention of Victor Company of Japan (JVC)."

So you're willing to take a 1 in 10^18 coincidence, but not a coincidence that's only about 1 in 18000? (Who said VHS means Video Home System in the Underground?) Besides, it doesn't have to be by chance. Take a look at the name:Video Home System. The name's self-describing-It's a video system designed for home-It was only natural that name would come to be. The monsters came up with the name the same way we did-Just naming the system by its own description. That is how Asgore names things in the Underground, after all.

"Because they have lasers able to hurt Soul, DT extraction machine and... um... Oh I know, they also have majik."

Yes, they have magic, but that doesn't justify the complexity of the CORE's technology. Sure, the lasers use magic, but the technology to beam them out isn't. Also, what about the strange machine behind the curtain? Or what Sans used to research the timelines?

"If they invented VHS, they also should Digital Versatile Discs and use them instead. But they didn't. Those are garbage from Surface."

Just like we first had VHS, and then moved on to DVD, the monsters took a similar progression. It's just in 201X, monsters didn't reach that level yet. They were still in 80's to 90's technology levels (in human terms), with their old cell phones.

"Also, durability of VHS tapes is only 10-25 years. Recorded by Asriel and Chara are still working when Frisk found them. Therefore, there is no more than 25 years from Chara's fall to Frisk's arrival into the Underground, no matter who has made those tapes. Unless you are going to say they are imbued with magic."

If lasers are imbued with magic, why not the tapes? Also, what's to say Asgore didn't make efforts to preserve the tapes in some way, as memories of his children and his wife that he wants to get back together with? We can both agree Flowey's creation happened pretty close to Frisk falling, so Alphys didn't take them from Asgore for a LONG time.

"Red font indicates errors, contradictions and inconsequences they have made. I wanted it to be evident for readers. Now I know my words aren't obvious enough."

Well, you did fail to specify that's what red font means in the actual image, so I assumed it meant similar to what it means in actual Undertale-Signifying importance. Maybe you'll do better next time, though?

"It is obvious that Alphys has chosen golden flower because she wanted to know what happiend when she injects Determination into something without Soul and free will. Golden flower was good candidate: no Soul, no will."

No, will and SOUL are two different things, just like the exact same entry states. DT is will, a SOUL is a SOUL.

"Also, nowhere has been said the flower died before or during experiment."

We can figure that out through deduction that it died before the experiment. Keywords:"gains the will to live?" The will to live.. It can only GAIN the will to life if it doesn't already HAVE the will to live. It can only BECOME alive if it isn't ALREADY alive. Since Alphys is trying to give life to the flower, it MUST be dead!

"The flower from the outside world - she only emphasises that those flowers came from Surface. The first golden flower, that grew before all the others is just... the first that has sprouted out of all of them."

Flower. Singular. She's saying that is THE flower from the outside world. The only one!

"I know that throne room is currently swarmed with golden flowers but who said there were golden flowers in there when Chara was alive?"

There weren't. That's what I'm saying. They all came into existence from the first one. They all bloomed, spanning across multiple generations, long after the death of Chara. Remember, that's the flower that came before all the others-So actually, that proves there weren't golden flowers when Chara is alive!