Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-37334388-20190301031034/@comment-33883848-20190903140746

"Okay, if they're going to be a soul inside Asriel no matter what, then why does it matter where your dead human body ends up?"

Holly heck,ask this to Toriel who actually buried Chara under the golden flowers they loved.

"But in that sense, there's still no need to carry the body to the golden flowers. Chara would see the flowers even if the body was dropped, simply because they are seeing the same things Asriel sees."

If they wanted to bring their body back to the village to force an attack then there's no need to carry it on the golden flowers aswell,showing Asriel carying it is enough.

"...What, you don't think Chara just standing around there instead of just getting on with either following with the wish (placing the body on the flowers) or killing the six humans (which shouldn't be done while holding the body) would be suspicious to Asriel?"

Again why would they carry it on the golden flowers that they loved very much as implied by their drawing instead of giving it to the humans ?.

"The narrative of the story tells of the screams AFTER Asriel found the flowers. So they saw Asriel holding the body AFTER they reached the golden flowers at the center of the village. They already reached their destination."

So no need to carry it on the golden flowers at all.

"If they didn't do that, Asriel would catch on that it's a trap."

Why would they care at all about it if they only cared about putting Asriel in harm ways??You're over complicating things really.It's easier to claim that Chara only wanted to put their body to rest on the golden flowers because they loved them.Even Toriel did that latter on with Chara's body.

"So, from Chara's perspective.. Asriel got the both of them killed to save evil humans."

Wrong,they let him run away without resisting.Otherwise Asriel couldnt leave.They did not want to oppose to his wish and latter on you have to prove whatever his decision was right or wrong.

"...Chara DID resist the decision. That's exactly why Asriel stumbled on the way home."

He never mention that.If Chara did resist the decision,they could kill them all or they couldn't do anything at all.Asriel just ran away in the vain hope to save himself.

"...They don't figure out that Asriel is Flowey until after the point of no return, which is after killing Mettaton NEO. "

They figure out it in pacifist run AND they already know that when you reset before completely aborting genocide run but even then Chara does not kill him.

"Plus, they need to have become fully physical to attack on their own. "

They NEVER becomes physical,they are a ghost,an essence similar to Flowey.What you see at the end of the genocide run is a projection.

"They don't just have control over Frisk at all times-In fact, I argue the cutscenes of Frisk moving on their own is just that-A cutscene. And that they are is Frisk acting. (So, Frisk is the one walking past Papyrus' puzzles..)"

Doenst matter,Asriel prove that Chara can take over however they want.

"...Isn't that what Flowey says at the end of his very first encounter? That it IS kill or be killed? Pretty sure Chara was there."

He is not their guide and he's not the one who get attacked by monsters.

"Z is the button you press to advance dialogue, and possibly certain emotional scenes. Of course you have to press Z."

There's no dialogue afterwards but you stil have to press Z OR to force them to attack like in any battle.

"And I said, specifically, rather than a swift one. So even IF we told Chara to kill Flowey (which I believe we didn't), that still doesn't explain why they made it a PAINFUL one."

Because they did not want to see him dead and thus wanted to completely erase from existence?

"Pretty sure you're not in a good position to attack back if you're still holding the body."

But why specifically on the golden flowers they loved and not drop it anywhere?

"But Asriel reveals Chara was the one holding their own body. So CHARA was the one moving, looking for the golden flowers. And as I said, they had a perfectly good reason to specifically pick that one, rather than looking elsewhere."

Yeah that what i meant,they were specifically looking for golden flowers,not a place to attract the most attention.