Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31981697-20170722123329/@comment-27136653-20170816043601

2) It is the developer's room. Therefore, it isn't a part of the story. You can't explain it canonically, it just doesn't exist in the canon universe. Frisk never enters that room in the canon universe either. And whatever we find in that room therefore applies to the present day real world. It's not that the dog creating Undertale is a nonsense, it's that the entire room isn't canon with the game. I keep telling you, stop interpreting everything literally. That's what Matpat's job.

3) Enemy =/= sheer hate. An "enemy" can also mean an obstacle.

3.3) How about this: When Flowey first woke up, he still thought of himself as Asriel. I think one can change the name that gets displayed on a save if their personality changes.

Can I see proof for the LV 0 thing?

It seems like the power only reaches the underground, nothing else, probably becuase of the barrier, or something else. Maybe it's not Chara + Frisk, if we acknowledge that this power cannot go beyond the underground, which would explain why Frisk gets sent back to the flower bed, without the need to pull Chara into the equation. Also, there's still no proof that it was them who had a vision of naming Chara. It could just be another one of those things that are meant to be solely for us. Like the developer's room, outside the canon universe. Our choice does get to rewrite the canon universe though. And again, there is proof of humans having the save ability.

Also, Chara did lock us out of the world. Even if it was destroyed, we could just reset. But we for some reason weren't in possession of that ability. And Chara certainly didn't steal it from us. After all, they asked for our soul only after that.

3.5) LV stands for level of violence. Nothing says it is capable of giving incorporeal beings a body. Maybe it can tip the balance of power in favor of the one with more LV, which would align with your theory that Chara can reset the world, while we can't. But again, I don't think Chara has the power do physically destroy everything. Nothing says that LV is capable of that too. Also, Chara points out that we want to go back to the world we destroyed. Aren't we already in it? Maybe by "going into the world" they meant going back in time, resetting, but wouldn't they use the word "undo" then? I strongly believe that wherever we are, we aren't in the world that we deserted.

And the wind howling is there because Toby decided that it is necessary. He didn't give it any meaning, he just added it, since we need it. Otherwise we might think our game is corrupted. This way Toby is saying us that no, the game is still running, since there's sound playing - it's not corrupted, don't worry.

Again, when constructing theories, you must differentiate between things which have a deeper meaning and things that don't.

3.6) No it does not necessarily mean that Frisk is aware of the HUD. It could just be various options formulating in Frisk's head, and what we choose is what they say out loud.

3.7) No, he could just be hiding them from Frisk. No one knows about any "narrator". It is a brand new concept that didn't exist prior to Frisk falling down. And the stats could be skewed like that because of Chara. Do you have any other examples other than Toriel and Asriel?

4.1) Frisk is close to it. We aren't. We can't zoom in on it. The snow could be very jagged up close. And the amount of snow varies between the individual buildings. Are you suggesting that they all were teleported somewhere too?

4.2) Again, kill or be killed = don't trust anyone. It's hard to trust strangers if that is your philosophy.

4.6) She says that only if you get hit by the bullets for the 4th round. And the previous 3 rounds she references the spear, not the short explanation of the green mode she gave you at the very beginning. Therefore, the 4th one also refers to the spear. She gets frustrated over our inability to deflect the bullets. How could she be referencing the green mode?

4.10) I think he picked 201X to show that at that year, the humans had the technology we had around the time he started working on the game. Not the monsters, humans. It is a human calendar for us, so if it's doing something in the game, it must be a valid calendar for the humans as well. That is my logic. That the sepia story isn't told from a monster perspective, but from a human perspective. Chara's to be more precise. Why would he assign a date to that event in the first place? Maybe to let people draw a connection that 201X = 2015 Earth, and not some nonsense date you keep bringing up.

4.11) Yes, but that intro wasn't Frisk's vision. If it was, it would mean he blacked out on the flower bed, and then explain Flowey not taking his soul while they were unconscious.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">And I think moving the box to the fight button was just another amazing meta scene that was supposed to spice up the battle. Technically, the box shouldn't even be movable, so it's most likely that it was just another Sans-generated anomaly that we shouldn't concern ourselves with. It is impossible for Sans to break the 4th wall so much, and the same goes for the annoying dog. So just ignore it.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Also, the quantum foam has nothing to do with light. The QF deals with the curvature of spacetime, and it is an unproven concept. Light moves through the electromagnetic field, and since has no mass, it moves at the maximum possible speed, meaning spacetime transformations (eg. ripples in the quantum foam) don't affect it, and from its perspective, it experiences no time, and no space.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">4.13) Then why doesn't Frisk just keep their soul in forever? Is it because the monsters can pull the soul back to the battle? Which wouldn't make sense, since they could just pull it back each time the soul hides. Unless, the HUD is also doing that. So then, what IS the HUD? Can you explain that to me? Is it some artificial construct created by some divine being, or is it really nothing at all, and only we can see it?

<p style="font-weight:normal;">The HUD seems like a big nonsense, speaking from a canon point of view. The concept isn't explored thoroughly enough. But I guess that that's because the monsters cannot see it. So then, they only see Frisk's soul disappearing and then appearing again. So, why don't they just strike their body directly? A soul is a culmination of a monster's being. Since human souls can exist separately, striking the body doesn't seem to pose a threat to the soul. But Flowey got hit by Toriel's bullets, so in theory a monster could just beat Frisk to death and take their soul, which would be unharmed. Why didn't that happen?

<p style="font-weight:normal;">5) Chara said something about laughing and heckling, and then found out that Frisk didn't say/do that, therefore Frisk didn't laugh and heckle. Simple.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">And maybe waiting for a button to appear can be translated to Frisk waiting for an opportunity to strike, and to call for help. Because they can't do so if there's a thousand bullets aimed at them. They need to find the right moment. If someone threw an axe at you, would you call for help, or would you dodge it? If you call for help immediately, it won't be effective, since you will move, and if you don't move, you will get hit.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">6) Crossing the barrier =/= breaking it. Flowey doesn't want to let you leave, because he won't be able to go after you. Sure, if breaking the barrier is an option, then there's no problem, but that option wasn't really available during the first run, before the pacifist one. There, Flowey killed Asgore, so that Frisk wouldn't leave.

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<p style="font-weight:normal;">And why did Frisk's soul awaken Chara? Simple. Their soul is red. Chara's soul was also red. Chara's essence "hopped" over to Frisk's soul, since they had the same soul type. Isn't it obvious? Who said the soul must be 100% identical for that to happen? Apparently, just having the same soul trait is enough.