Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31371445-20170222233857/@comment-31536324-20180711224236

"I'm doing the same, can't you see? I'm totally ignoring the meta and using the canon and logic instead."

No, what you're doing is being a hypocrite. The code itself is never mentioned, hinted, suggested, or implied to be an actual aspect of the world, so it is not canon nor a possibility. Using the code itself as an explanation is in and of itself meta, so you're being a hypocrite.

"If something is masking the true reality, that's a leftover from the meta - where Toby had no other way but to use the classical Pokemon / Touhou Project battle mechanics to show off the battles. So okay, he said it's canon. Good, I don't mind, but I mind how it looks like. The interface is and always has been a bridge between a "reality" of any sort and a game screen. It's existence therefore implies the presence of a simulation. If we want to keep the things it brings canon, we must take a different approach, if we don't want this to become a game. We can't just say that it's not a game, because that makes no sense. It only makes sense if it were a simulation."

No, you just want your headcanon to be a fact, and keep firing down people who bring up things that prevent that.

"Yes, but its existence doesn't imply the existence of a simulation as much as the HUD masking the true reality and its mechanics does."

Meaning it can't be a simulation then. Also, HOW does the HUD imply your simulation headcanon?

"I cannot imagine it happening on such a large scale, and with such precise shapes, shaped like letters and whatnot."

"I can't imagine it, so I'm going to force everyone else to stop! Wah, wah, wah!" - Tsskyx

"You still have those other hypothetical monster questions I gave."

Which would only work if they were actually questioning their world during the events of the game. But they're not, they're actually quite knowledgeable of these things, so they clearly questioned it before, with someone gaining answers, and accepted it. Why is this so far for you to comprehend?

"And you keep telling me that it's not a game. Please, such explanation practically BEGS us to default to the simpler option, that it's always been a game/simulation.

"Then I am allowed to believe in the simplest option, that it's all just a simulation."

Which is still meta, since Undertale is a game, and there is nothing to imply this at all. So you've boxed yourself here.

"I could say the same for the converse."

Okay then, what's your non-meta IN-GAME evidence of this? What is it that specifically implies your headcanon?

"What if there's no button? I belive in the save/reset buttons, but not these."

The HUD is clearly a thing in-universe, since Asgore showed that others that aren't the user can affect it.

"Well he could have at least hinted at it. But no, all we got, was one city on the surface. He didn't even bother to add the humans, that were implied to be there, into the final animation. The UT world is underground-centric to him. I understood this when I first saw the PS4 animation. It was the background of this wikia with starry crystals above. And an occasional annoying dog silhouette for a good measure.

GF does speak of the outside world. Shows it to us on numerous occassions even. Sends people from it to Gravity Falls and vice versa. Undertale just... ends."

He did hint at it; Undertale does the same thing. It shows us the outside world, the mere fact that people FELL eight times into the Underground outright screams at us that people live up on the Surface, and the city we see is confirmation of that fact. What was your point here?

"And I am not rejecting their existence. Just morphing them so that they wouldn't be so stupidly meta. You don't believe that the battles in the Pokemon world are happening in turns, do you? No, it's more like the TV show. Same thing here, the idea of turns being canon just isn't clicking for me. If everything works the way we see it, then we may as well admit that we're observing a universe that is simulated. Because what's the difference, really? No one is questioning these strange laws, most of which take effect only during a battle against a human... it's as if everyone was also a part of the simulation, designed not to ask any questions, with the exception of Sans, who is at least allowed to address it. Or DO you have an explanation for this?"

They're natural laws of the world that they questioned in the past, got answers to later on, and just accept by the time the events we see in the game happen. Simple.

"If you want a meta explanation for everything, just dig up the game's code, it reveals absolutely everything to you."

We don't want a meta explanation for everything, this whole time everyone but you has provided a non-meta explanation without using any meta. Which is what you've been doing. Hypocrite.

"That is a bit specific. And I would imagine such would be more universal. Assuming an equal distribution, why should only a 7th of the population be clever enough to take mental notes of something?"

There you go again, you keep assuming SOULS only have one trait per person. When we, and the game with the 1st red flag, have given the much more plausible explanation of SOULS having all traits, but the color representing a most dominant trait. That means that they do have aspects of the other traits, but not enough to have said traits be the dominant one.

"They represent combat styles. Patience, bravery, kindness and justice are obvious. The surefire accuracy thing applies more to the ball game itself than to the mode, but the mode is still about shooting. With green, you are being kind to your soul, remember that. The definition of blue agrees with the mode, but the name is a bit abstract. But perhaps it's a reference to Toriel, how she's described with that word by Sans. And purple's description agrees with Muffet's battle, as well as with what the purple human's hobby was. And the word itself, perseverance, maybe refers to the fact that you must go through the entire fight, you can't cut it short, for Muffet's stubbornness. And red may as well be the sum of all of them, while nothing new on its own."

This again? They can't be fighting styles, one errant thing brings the whole thing down. Case in point: kindness to yourself is selfishness, a synonym for jealousy the opposite of kindness.

"/dabs hard on everyone else in this thread/"

While you're in the corner trying to be "hip and cool with the youngsters" despite your obvious elderly age, and convince us that your headcanon is a canon fact. The rest of us will be using actual information from the game, along with basic common sense and logic, to actually figure things out. Not claiming it's all a Matrix parody and using the creator or games supposed ineptitude as an excuse for everything that's wrong with our thought processes.