Talk:Hard Mode/@comment-25753480-20181028004406/@comment-32182236-20181028005335

What little we have of Hard Mode disproves this. We meet Flowey at the start of the game.

However, it may very well be that the first fallen did not fall, as we took them away, bringing ourselves to take over. In fact, without Chara acting as the "future of humans and monsters", and the next human meeting Asriel instead, NOT acting so kind to the monsters, the relation between the two races might have been worse than in the normal game, explaining the reasoning behind their more agressive attacks/nature.