Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-37334388-20190301031034/@comment-33883848-20190903202354

"Toriel believed that Chara would simply live on inside of their body, in the same way that monsters' essence is contained within their dust."

How could she know that their essence would persist on Chara's body?Especially that Chara's soul was inside Asriel's body and turned into dust along with it.In short,there's no way for her to know it.She burried them out of respect of their body.Chara did the same thing.

"This is why Asriel had to tell us that actually, control was split between the two. He was correcting what we likely heard, because it's what every single monster believed happened."

I don't know why you mention bodysharing.This isn't the topic at all.

"The golden flowers were at the center of the village. Chara needed more witnesses. And Asriel needed to be convinced that the humans acted irrationally."

Lol,the fact that humans attack because they thought that Asriel killed them is enough proof that they had understable reasons to attack,not out of hatred or something.If they truly wanted to make it look as an unjustified attack,they wouldn't carry their body,showing just Asriel in the village with this monstrous form would be enough.

"Asriel was convinced it was solely a burial, and it would have looked this way to any human paying attention as well. But they attacked anyways, like Chara predicted. This makes them look bad."

Because it was truly a burial.Nothing implies that it was predicted.Otherwise there's no need for Toby to hint that Chara truly loved golden flowers.

"So it wasn't to put Asriel into danger specifically... It was to make humanity look bad. That way, Asriel won't object when Chara reveals that actually, they're destroying ALL of humanity, not just six."

As i said,why Chara didn't simply tell why they hate humanity to look it bad??That would be much less risky and Asriel already know that there's a lot of "floweys out there".And as i mentionned before,Chara simply COULDN'T eradicate humanity because of the body sharing with other souls.If they need Asriel's agreement to do anything,then there's no chance for them to succeed the said plan.

"Because that wouldn't make humanity look bad."

It would i mean:

Chara:Hey so i brought the human body of one of the children from your village, so you can burry it

Villagers:OH MY GOD A MONSTER THAT KILLED A CHILD!!

Chara would likely not tell it,but Asriel would understand this action and It would even make humans worse.

". They want Asriel to reach the same conclusion, so he won't object to humanity's destruction."

The other 6 souls would :)

"They did still care about Asriel."

So they only care about Asriel when it benefits you?interesting.

"The reason why they wanted the humans to attack wasn't to put him in harm's way."

What??Intentionally trigger an attack isn't to put one in harm ways?

"All we prove by killing off the monsters is that we're bad. Not that monsters deserve to die."

Chara themself admits that they follow YOUR guidance and lost all the confidence in themself to do anything so they are following the guidance of the only person they can always follow.Plus it's not like Frisk kill for bad reasons,it's tp defend themselves and because monsters attack them too.

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"They figure out it in pacifist run After Flowey transforms into Hyperdeath Asriel? I don't think Chara can kill Hyperdeath Asriel."

No when he turn back into a vulnerable Flowey who begs them to not reset at the poat crefits scene

"Why would we see a projection? And why only then?"

Because Chara did not see any reason to introduce themselves before.Herr they are to thank you for reviving them and showing them their purpose and to propose them to destroy the world.

" And how does a ghost use a physical Real Knife to attack Sans? (Even if you don't have the Real Knife equipped, a slash is still what kills Sans in the end.)"

They are possesing Frisk.I thought it was obvious. .

"Chara had a SOUL and determination back then. But here? "My 'determination'. My 'human SOUL'. They were not mine, but YOURS."-Chara Dreemurr"

And what does it change??Flowey can control his body well even though he has no soul or dt on his own and even when he absorb the other souls.And even when Chara take Frisk's soul and thus can control them as indicates by soules end ,they still dont kill Flowey in any other run besides genocide.

"If Chara knew that Flowey was Asriel, as you said.. Then they'd also know that even Asriel got the message."

I know.But you have to prove them that he's right or wrong just like Flowey asks "After defeating i been thinking.Is killimg really necesary?Prove to me.Prove to me .Prove to me that you're strong enough to survive".This is what Chara think.They want to know if Frisk can survive without killing.

". So it makes the monsters look just as bad as the humans that attacked Chasriel. In fact, I'd argue they actually are just as bad. Actually, worse, since the humans knew Asriel absorbed a SOUL, so it's easy to conclude that he killed Chara, and there's no evidence we killed anyone."

But again ,look at the narration.Chara never acts mean with any monster in pacifist amd neutral runs unlike genocide run.They are not so impatient and angry in non genocide runs.They dont even provide the kill count .They dont even take over Frisk even when the get a high amount of lv in neutral runs to kill all monsters.

"Though I do think it's better phrased that the humans are "no worse" than said monsters. But Chara would see it the more negative way that I described it earlier, considering that they already hate humans."

Again that all depends on Frisk.If Frisk show them that there's a way to survive without killing,then Chara does not view the world as kill or be killed.

"...There's no FIGHT button, though. So it's not like we're telling them to kill. We're literally just pressing Z to find out what happens next."

Yeah but still,there's no dialogue afterwards.

"...Because they can't. You're giving WAY too much potential control to Chara. Frisk is in control FAR more often than you think."

So about love that give mary sue powers again??You know how much i hate this hypothesis to justify anything as nothing implies that it's anything more than a mesurement of your eagerness to hurt.

"And they were about to erase the world directly after killing Flowey anyways, so it really wouldn't matter either way-All traces of Flowey would vanish when the world was erased."

They need to reavh the "absolute"though.Killing their best friend is the only way for them to reach the max of emotional distance,at least for Chara.

"Now.Now we have reached the absolute"

"This was clearly a revenge kill."

As you said,isnt destroying the world enough to kill him??after all,in neutral run ending,ONE slash is enough to destroy Flowey.

"The golden flowers they chose were the ones at the very center of the village. And because it's the center, it's the place that would attract the most attention."

Monsters implies that Asriel(who's controled by Chara)they only found golden flowers at this place "THERE he FOUND a bed of golden flowers"

"...Because they wanted to have as many attack as possible. If only, like, three humans saw them, Asriel might argue that Chara's generalizing too fast, and these just so happen to be three bad humans. But showing that the entire VILLAGE was bad?"

It a VILLAGE.If one human scream everyone would hear and attack without a second thought

"Asriel:So.. why do you hate humanity again?

Chara:...They don't like monsters.

Asriel:..Is that it? ..Maybe they just fear what we could accomplish?

Asriel:So, why do you hate humanity again?

Chara:They… attack what they don't understand. They fear the unknown.

Asriel:..That doesn't sound like them being bad. Just them being ignorant sometimes. That happens to all of us! Like that silly incident with the buttercups!"

Asriel while being attacked:Chara we can't kill them,they just attacked us because they thought i killed you!

"Just saying the reason wouldn't do it justice. Asriel would be more convinced if he saw that reason for himself."

It was a personal reason though since they never told it,thus not a general thing about humans.

"But if they attack after Asriel attacks, their attacks will clearly be self-defense, and Asriel would have no reason to see this as humans being bad."

YEAH BUT IF THE VILLAGERS ATTACK BECAUSE THEY THINK THAT ASRIEL KILLED THE HUMAN IT WOULD MAKE IT SEEM LIKE A MISUNDERSTANDING AND THUS IT WONT PROVE ASRIEL THAT ALL HUMANS ARE BAD.

Seems like i used your own logic against you!