Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-30088034-20170108152544/@comment-30088034-20170114145507

Mabian wrote: Yes I&#039;m single wrote: '''lets say one monster talks about his "dream." just one! then it tells another monster, who also has the same dream, and then it spreads across the undergrounf until they realize it was real! (jf they see flowey of course) again, just being a nitpick lol. ut it's possible''' Reset. Then it's like the conversation never happened. Remember that it's not like the monsters have an infinite number of chances to potentially remember and remark upon the events (one of the key things about them is that they always behave the same way, which is why Flowey gets bored). They're just living the same life over and over again, with whatever changes being introduced by Flowey's antics.

'''so flowey got bored.. so once "chara" fell down, he wanted to keep them trapped and always kill them, because humans act differently every time? and the only reason flowey sees chara as a "good partner is not because he feels compassion for chara, he just wants to torture them? and obviously flowey wants you to kill more, because he has no soul, right? which is why he feels happier with you in genocide? but when exiting the ruins on genocide, flowey says "let's turn them all to dust" but i thought chara just wanted to kill humans not monsters? on a side note, if chara hates humans so much, then why does she kinda help guide you (with narrations on either route) . finally, when frisk hides behind the lamp without the player telling them what to do, is it frisk or chara doing it? is frisk not the player? sorry lots of questions'

It should also be noted that they don't remember everything that happened. There are just little things that stick out. Toriel recalling your preference for butterscotch or cinnamon, Papyrus recognizing a rock, Undyne getting the feeling that she befriended you before, etc.

papyruys recognizing a rock?

so toriel is stating that they're both strong? No, it's more of an indictment against the monster population, which was willing to kill humans and wage war against humanity (remember that Toriel left because she was disgusted by Asgore's declaration of war after Asriel and Chara died). She's essentially saying that Frisk, killing Toriel at her weakest moment, is essentially toying with her, which is a monstrous (in the common sense of the term) thing to do. So Frisk is just as bad as the monsters killing humans.

makes sense

 As a side note, that's the line that comes up specifically when you attack Toriel once she becomes spareable. The line can come up in any type of run. The Genocide-specific line has to do with how her preventing Frisk from leaving wasn't actually protecting Frisk from the monsters, but protecting the monsters from Frisk.

'''so toriel knows if you do genocide? and the quote doesn't really fit well with toriel's motive?'''

'''does sans remember everything about past SAVEs or just much more than most monsters? and if so, why? does this lead into "is sans a human'"?''' No, he does not remember everything. But he can read the reactions of others to know whether they are manipulating with the timelines. It's not even necessarily the case that he remembers more than most monsters.

Sans special "memory" is tied to research he has been doing on the nature of the timelines. Exactly why and what research was being done is unclear, but we know that he is aware of significant tampering with the timeline. So given his awareness, he is more keenly aware of what those little feelings of deja vu really are, and so he wouldn't brush them aside like most other monsters would, as he knows that they are important. Sans does not need to be human to recall this information. He just needs to be smart.

wait, you're saying that chara might have done it? It could be Chara. It could be the player. Flowey addresses "you" for most of his True Pacifist ending speech, and ends by referring to "you" as "Chara." Whether this means he was actually talking to Chara, he was talking to the player who is also meant to be Chara, or he was talking to the player and confusing us with Chara, is all unclear.

'''but i have a question about sans. does he know how many people you have killed, even in the ruins? ''' Yes, he too knows how many you killed, even in the Ruins, which is presumably done by checking the kill counter plus the LV counter (the former just in case Frisk is at LV 1 but has still killed a monster).