Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31981697-20170722123329/@comment-32182236-20171028185333

"Why are you talking about walls and collision?"

Because this explicitly happens in the trailer: https://youtu.be/xUZ_-bKTxZw?t=57s

"It contains so many references to Toby and his work, that it cannot be ignored."

I've counted ZERO. Closest thing you can get to a reference to Toby's work is a game logo that looks like it COULD be the Undertale logo. The rest are just dog statues, a rug, evidence that the dog made a game (A reference to game design in general is not a reference to Toby-We can't jump to conclusions), jigsaw puzzles, and a rope. None of these show any reference to Toby Fox. In fact, the name "Toby" was never even muttered once in the entire game, unless you name the fallen child Toby, which counts as a normal name anyway-For all we know he doesn't exist in Undertale!

"since then, what would be the point of that room?"

What's the point of the hot-dog stand? What's the point of the piano puzzle if the dog just steals the artifact anyway? What's the point of the naming easter eggs? There's plenty of secrets with no real purpose, this could be another one. What's to say that's not the point-You completed the final minigame, the last challenge, expecting an amazing secret, finally figuring out what was inside the door... And it turns out to be just a regular room. Sort of like the artifact, when you think it'll be a game-changer, then the dog steals it. And there's no way to prevent this from happening. We shouldn't be going meta like this-These kinds of things are what brought us to the Sans is Ness theory. After all, if Papyrus isn't a Starman, then what's the point in making Papyrus' battle armor a near-exact match to the Starman marking? I'm showing there IS a way for everything to make sense, without disregarding or altering ANY evidence, since you argued this isn't the case, which is why we're not still discussing whether the red SOUL is determination.

"Yes, of course Toby worked on something that wasn't a full game, but merely a hack."

It plays like a full game, and when patched to Earthbound, becomes a full game-The only thing it has in common with vanilla Earthbound is the characters and game mechanics-Everything else is new-If it were made by the original creators of Earthbound, you could even call it Earthbound 2. It IS a full game he helped make. (He "helped" make it because the Earthbound ROM was used, so all the programmers of Earthbound indirectly had their share of development-But the sequel game was all Toby's idea.)

"he didn't make the entire game Earthbound. He didn't actually make any of it, he only added onto it."

I'm not saying he made the original Earthbound. I'm speaking specifically of what you get when you patch the Halloween Hack onto it-With a crazy Dr. Andonuts and Megalovania. THAT. Toby helped make it, and I would say he made the whole thing if it wasn't for the fact that he used Earthbound's code to do that, merely editing it, instead of making the whole thing from scratch.