Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31371445-20170222233857/@comment-31536324-20180709073603

"Then you MUST agree with me that nothing that appears meta in the game is canon to the game. Not even Sans speaking of "turns" - because there aren't any turns. Or is this not what you wanted to say? (because I did get that impression)"

No. Read my statement again. I clearly and EXPLICITY say that anything meta should not be used unless it's mentioned to happen, have happened, or be happening. Things like Sans talking about turns, Stats, LV and EXP; not to mention the SAVE Points, battle system, and the players influence on the world, are all canon to the game. Everything else that's meta that's played for laughs, treated like a joke, or never mentioned in-game despite happening (Mettaton and Flowey changing the title of the game, and even messing with the intro in Flowey's case) is not and to be disregarded. They have no place other than to be a source of meta humor, so including them in a theory about the lore and world of Undertale AS A WORLD OF ITS OWN, which is what people are doing and making theories about here, makes no sense.

We KNOW that Undertale is a game, we're not delusional. But as a world of its own, we're saying that it's a world with game-like mechanics and laws. Use information from the game, and if something isn't clear, look that something up, find the most truthful information on it, and apply that to the theory.

Throughout the game there are characters that reference and explain how different machanics and things work, and things that happen to the things that only the player should know about that give credit to the idea that these things do exist within the world of the game. Otherwise these characters wouldn't be explaining them otherwise. It's one thing if ONE person does it and explains all of it. But it's a completely separate thing entirely when MULTIPLE PEOPLE ARE DOING IT THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE ADVENTURE! Heck, Flowey himself even said that he would teach us how things work IN THE UNDERGROUND, not the game, THE UNDERGROUND. Where's your explanation there, when even Toriel carries on that same explanation the psycho flower was doing?