Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-29788596-20160906011125/@comment-37550376-20181118173328

"That's your reason? Really? We use evidence to theorize, not subjective parameters. We want to find the most likely possibility, not the most "interesting" one."

Well... yeah. Chara being one-dimensional is boring, and makes them less comparable to a real person because real people are typically extremely complex. I wasn't trying to push my post as a definitive answer, I was just posting my opinions on a character I thought was interesting. Sorry if I'm in the wrong thread for that.

"So.. Where's the idea that they aren't just evil come from?"

I'm not trying to claim Chara is "good" per se, just trying to state their character is probably more complex than just being pure "evil."

"It was likely a little of both. They cared about the monsters, and wanted to free them, but their hatred of humanity sort of takes priority over that, to the point where the maniuplation happened. They wanted to destroy humanity, AND free the monsters."

Most likely yes, I agree.

"I really go for a hybrid. I start with the little evidence we have, using them as restrictions, and make educated guesses that best fit the evidence. Closest to the scientific method I can get."

Smart of you, and the best way to go about it overall.

"Really, I think the reasons overlap with the humans attacking Asriel. Something similar to that. Which means the humans attacking doubled as an attempt to corner Asriel into attacking them AND trying to show why they hated humanity. Asriel luckily didn't get the hint."

Do you mean like they refused to talk about it to let Asriel fill in the blanks and come up with something even worse? Sorry, I just want to make sure I understand your meaning as best I can.

"Probably the latter. They make a lot of puns later on as the narrator."

Yeah, that one was a bit of a stretch.

"Perhaps. Knowing them, they might have actually made a pun out of it.."

Well yes, but I meant it was either showing they have an uncommon detachment about death or that they use humor to mask potential pain.

"The first (getting Asriel killed) was not Chara's intention, in fact Chara would believe Asrieldid that, since it was ultimately his refusal that got them killed, but yes, what you said is accurate. An anti-villain is still a villain, after all."

I didn't mean to imply it was their intention, but that it was a consequence of the choices they made, and that they bear the responsibility to his death.

"They DO say you brought them back with your guidance, but they just say THEY realized the purpose of their reincarnation. They reached the conclusion THEMSELVES."

They way they spoke to you at the end of the Genocide route seemed to suggest otherwise. They state your power brought them back to life and that they were confused and didn't understand why they were still here, then specifically say the with your guidance they realized the purpose of their return. It sounded to me like they where confused and didn;t understand what was happening and therefore looked to the first available example, which was you/us.

"I think I might have actually proven that theory."

I just finished reading your post, it was well done in my opinion, nice work.

"Okay, what evidence is there that they turned good in Pacifist?"

Well again, I don't mean to say they turn "good" in this, but that they change as a person. If they are the narrator, it's fair to say that they do offer Frisk help throughout the Underground by explaining what's going on around them and translating things that Frisk likely wouldn't understand for them. Then the memories that creep into the game seem to be for helping, or they could just be something that happens involuntarily, I can't prove it either way. But the idea of them being more helpful was the idea that they offered the memory you see when you save Asriel at the end, because that memory clearly has an effect on him and Frisk wouldn't have had it on their own.