Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20190617222636/@comment-32182236-20190707012843

When I said as a group.. I meant as a group. But evidence suggests this is not what happened.

"Every child who comes here meets the same fate. They come. They leave. They die"-Toriel

The humans did in fact come one by one. There might not be much time between the six humans based on this statement alone, but it at least reveals they came one by one. Something that doesn't make sense if they were a team of search parties for Chara.

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As for Gaster, remember that I still don't believe that the fountain is of Gaster. And in fact, this was the reason why I wanted the fountain to be anyone BUT Gaster.

And the Gaster Followers are the only ones who remember Gaster... And when we encounter them, our phones don't work. Goner Kid counts as a follower as well, describing a world that works exactly the same... But you don't exist. Sans, someone who isn't known for forgetting anything at all... Has to make a note that explicitly says not to forget.. Alphys attempts to describe how the CORE creates magical electricity, as if she thought she knew... Before failing to describe it... When asked about how Alphys met Sans, she struggles to say anything.. Before Sans replies with "Doesn't everybody"? ...Can you explain that? The only explanation I can think of is that they met through Gaster... Whom Alphys does not remember.

But if they met through Gaster, then Alphys was already around, partaking in experiments with Gaster. So if Gaster fell, and this was all remembered, then why didn't Asgore pick Alphys right away? Why didn't he pick Sans right away? There was a clear next-in-line for the Scientist.. So why didn't he just do that?

...Because they had all forgotten what Gaster had done.

Need I present more evidence supporting the Cosmic Retcon?

In fact, I'd argue that Alpha Sans met the same fate as the Followers, and the Sans we see in Undertale is Deltarune Sans-A Darkner from the Dark World. Gaster wasn't erased from the Deltarune timeline-He's just fine in that bunker of his, and he had no reason to make an experiment to bypass the Barrier if there was no Barrier.

The Gaster we see in the Dark World, scattered across it all, interrupting our phone calls is Undertale Gaster. Who fell into his own creation (The Dark World)

But the retcon wasn't very smooth. Gaster himself was erased... But his creations were not. Deltarune still existed. The Dark World still existed. The CORE still existed, and it's a mystery where they came from. Gaster's helpers, Sans and Papyrus.. They still existed as well, even as Sans was a Darkner made by Gaster, and Papyrus very well could be Gaster's son. Hence, as their origin involves Gaster in some way, and Gaster was removed, in the new timeline, Sans and Papyrus quite literally came from nothing-Hence the shopkeeper's statement about them just "showing up".

However, the Royal Memorial fountain can't be of Gaster, because it would have had to been made after Gaster's death... And thus, after the retcon came in full effect-They wouldn't make a memorial of someone who they didn't think even existed.

Asgore, while not remembering Gaster, would still have deduced that there had to have been a genius Royal Scientist. After all, someone had to have built the CORE. ...Who was it, again? Why can't I recall?

Whoever it was, we need a great Royal Scientist.. We can't just pick anyone.. We need something big.. Someone who can build such a revolutionary device..

Oh! A sentient robot? I'm picking you, Alphys! ...By any chance, did you make the CORE? You look quite like an engineer...

...Okay, now that I think of it... I see that you might have reason to deny such a hypothesis. I didn't state it well enough. I didn't build it well enough. As it stands, there's actually something that appears to be a contradiction in my narrative. Can you find it before I reveal it to you?

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If those who knew Gaster faded away and became followers... Why didn't Alphys became a Follower herself?

...Is that the contradiction you saw? Is that what you expected me to say? Did you have something else in mind.. Or did you see no contradiction in my narrative at all?

...Really, the only defense I can think of... Is that Sans and Alphys were paired together by Gaster.. But Alphys never actually made direct, personal contact with Gaster.. And direct, personal contact is what is required to become entangled with Gaster, and cursed to become a Follower when the Cosmic Retcon happens. As we know, Gaster spoke to only two people in his Entry 17 experiment... Sans... And Papyrus. Alphys was nowhere to be found. Alphys may have heard of Gaster, and being a Royal Scientist may have been what lead her to meet Sans... But she never actually physically met Gaster.

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Oh, and by the way... While the technology is futuristic to us.. To a society that lives in said future, they would call it "modern". In the 22nd century, we won't call 22nd-century technology "futuristic", we'll call it "modern". The futuristic technology is modern to the monsters. By time the 24th century comes along, we'll call this technology ancient. So it's important to look at the text from the context of the person who is speaking it.