Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-27677820-20160131035943/@comment-27677820-20160208214318

Tykiari wrote:                                                                                                                                  A whole lot of stuff that I'm cutting down for the sake of being concise. Their post is above, check it out. I agree with a lot of the things you're saying. We don't have confirmation that Asriel immediately felt emotion when he became himself again, as we don't know for sure that he was crying when he was first brought back. It seemed like it to me, with the shoulder movements that seemed like sobbing, and the way his eyes seemed to be shut tightly when he turns around, but we never actually see any tears, so I could see the argument against it.

We also don't know how for sure that Flowey spent the majority of his time killing, rather than being nice. I was just speculating that he was probably killing for fun much more often than acting nice because of his general evil and manipulative vibe, and some things he says, like this line in the genocide story  "You of all people must know how liberating it is to act this way" (in reference to killing of course.) Even past that, when he was being nice he wasn't doing it because he was a nice person, just because "Their companionship was amusing." Technically he was solving people's problems, but it was just for minor entertainment, not because he really felt anything for the people he was helping. Just because he wasn't killing doesn't mean he wasn't toying with them.

I do have to completely disagree with him not having the option of suicide though. Here's a quote from Flowey's genocide story "And when I tried to load my save file... It didn't work. Your DETERMINATION! Somehow, it's even greater than mine!" This and a whole lot of other stuff, too much to source really, basically say that "the person with the most determination gets to save." The reason all humans can’t usually save and load is because there’s humans around them that cancel out them being the “most determined.” In the underground however, the barrier limits the determination pool to within it, so since Frisk/Flowey are the most determined beings, they’re able to save. I'm really sorry if you already know this, I know I’d be annoyed if someone tried to explain this to me. Anyway, since the barrier’s shattered, no one gets the ability to save or load, and Flowey would be able to kill himself. End of story-goodbye-the end.

“Now wait”  you could say “Frisk is still able to perform a “True Reset” even after the barrier is shattered. ” This is true, you do have the option to True Reset after the game is over, however Frisk isn’t the one that does it. Flowey directly addresses you, the player, when you relaunch the game. He says you, again the player, have the power to reset everything, not Frisk. Only through your direct influence can the game be reset, Frisk’s determination no longer cuts it.

As for your second idea “About the Saving Asriel.” Um… I don’t really see how it relates to anything else you said, but you seem to be agreeing with me so… thanks?