Thread:Rafip/@comment-28517148-20170827134615/@comment-32182236-20171201200913

"Yes, we can't do that but at the same time game doesn't reveal any details how monsters are analyzing timelines. I do not want to guess about it."

I'm not going to guess the specifics either-We just can't, because it's not something we have the ability to do yet. If we knew how they did it, we'd be able to do it too. They're using some kind of futuristic technology that we don't know about, because it's futuristic. This had to be something the monsters themselves invented (either Sans or Gaster, likely), as we know the game takes place in the present, so the futuristic technology could not have came fro the humans. Thus, monsters are ahead of humans. That's the point I'm trying to make.

"We are able to make tons of useless stuff just for pure entertainment and still have advanced technology, that's what."

And monsters did it quicker by focusing MORE on science. Let's say that we spend, maybe, 50% of our efforts on scientific advancements, and 50% on fiction. The monsters don't focus on fiction at all, that came from the humans! So, they'd focus 100% on science, advancing twice as fast as us. Now, maybe the numbers are different a bit, but the fact still stands that putting less focus on fiction will mean you'd advance through science faster.

"True in reality where everything has cause and makes effects, which we are able to find. However, Undertale is made-up story that is happening in made-up world which has been made especially to tell that story (several kids have fallen behind the Barrier only to monstars can have their Souls)."

...What. We can, and SHOULD analyze Undertale the same way we analyze our own world, just using Undertale's laws of physics, including magic, and the nature of the SOUL. But we should still use the scientific method and logic when making these analyses. We want facts and theories, not baseless speculation that's barely even a hypothesis.

"When game says monster's soul is made from love and compassion, we should treat it as true because there is no other info about this aspect of monster's soul, we are unable to figure it out by ourselves and there is no better way for game creator to inform us about this than just say: they are made from love and compassion.

We ARE able to figure out for ourselves that the description is wrong. Like I said earlier, Asgore lost all of his hope when Chara died, yet nothing happened to his SOUL. He didn't suddenly have only 2/3rds of a SOUL, or have no real SOUL, despite the fact that one of the things that supposedly make up his SOUL is now GONE. Now HERE'S some speculation that I'm going to use:That right there is the reason why Asgore wanted to bring false hope to the monsters-He fears that if the monsters lose hope, their SOULs will disappear, because hope is supposedly one of the things they're made of.

"But it is still only more or less likely. I could even use here your own argument correlation does not imply causation, but it would be just overthinking about your statement, which is still based on a speculation."

We can debunk the first possibility definitively, but it's true that the second might not be necessarily true-It could have all been a coincidence, or Chara might have something to do with it. That's why I didn't say the second possibility HAS to be true-But it's the one I'm going with, because it's the most likely-I'm prepared for it to be wrong, though, and I'm not going to use that as PROOF for anything. (Unless theories are themselves proven, they can't be used as proof.)

"Theoretically, if you injected a flower with no essence with DT, it would be brought back to life as a regular flower - speculation"

It's really not. Remember, DT is the same as life. Giving DT to the flower's what brought it to life, with the essence of Asriel's dust making it so that ASRIEL is brought back to life AS a flower. Also, as long as you stay determined enough, you won't die. Yep, stay determined enough, and you can even overcome death itself!*

* Does not apply in the real world, only the world of Undertale:Do not attempt.

DT is the same thing as life. And what's the difference between a dead flower and a living flower? The fact that the living flower is ALIVE! It has life. It has DT. DT and life are synonymous. So, giving DT, or LIFE, to a dead flower will bring it back as a regular, living flower. Flowey's a special case, because of Asriel's essence. When the DT was injected into the flower, it was also injected into the dust in the flower. So, Asriel's essense came back to life, inhabiting the flower. But, since flowers can't exactly feel emotion... Well, that would explain why Flowey can't. He's a flower.

I have responded to every point you made, but when you don't respond to every point I make, I can only respond to the ones you responded to. In fact, even the original discussion of CHARA is there, in the same thread I mentioned continuing the timeline discussion here. (Not sure if it was the same post or a post directly below/after it.) (Hey, I said I'd talk about the TIMELINE here, the parts that had to do with Chara would still be talked about on the Chara thread.)