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TheHumanAmbassador wrote: Long ago, two races ruled over the ear-⏩

▶️And so, Chara falls underground. And this is where our story begins.

So, who, or even what, was and is Chara? A misunderstood angel who did nothing wrong? A hungry demon who wants to destroy you all for power, and mind-controls/coerces Frisk into killing everything? Neither of these statements are true. I've spoken about Chara before, and my points have been misinterpreted before... Hopefully this should clear things up, now that I'm presenting the full story at once. Let's turn it back a little, shall we? Back to some of the stuff I fast-forwarded over? (Not all of it, the war is its own topic)

After many years of the monsters being banished underground, there was a human, unlike the rest. One who hated humanity, one who considered it unjust. Their name, was Chara. Of course, the banishment wasn't their only reason, they just had bad experiences with humanity, and came to the conclusion that humanity's evil. So, they went off to the one place that no man was said to ever return from, so that they would never see another human EVER again... Mt. Ebott. And so, Chara falls underground. And this is where our story begins.

They woke up, and met Asriel Dreemurr. Just as Chara suspected, they seemed nice. Chara even made friends with Asriel, and became part of the family. But soon, things got dark. For Chara was going to devise a scheme to destroy all of humanity.. And also free the monsters. Knowing that Asriel would back off if destroying all of humanity was mentioned, Chara told Asriel that he would absorb Chara's SOUL, then they would, together, collect six more, and break the barrier. Yes, Chara KNEW they'd still be there when the absorption would occur. Proof is in the tapes.

"Six, right? We just have to get six... And we'll do it together, right?"-Asriel

So, the plan goes through. But Chara has other plans too, like I discussed earlier-Eradication of humanity. But how could they get it through to Asriel? They've expressed their hatred of humanity before, but this would be different. Chara was finally going to answer the question Asriel wanted the answer to many times over. They were finally going to do it. The answer would be revealed: Why did they hate humanity? They picked up their dead body, to cause the humans to attack in fear. This was their plan, and the reason behind their death wish. (Come on, why would they really want to see the flowers of a village they HATED one last time? To destroy them?) And so, they did... Just because Asriel was holding the body of Chara, and a little research would be enough to prove it was a burial. But nope, they just attacked. Just like Chara predicted. This, was their answer. THIS was the reason why they hated humanity-For fearing the unknown, casting blame on the innocent... The reason why they wanted humanity dead...

But Asriel resisted. He knew killing them would be wrong, and would probably lead to another war. This ended up getting the two of them killed after they made it back to New Home, telling their story to the monsters, which is how they know it enough to tell it to Frisk later on... Their combined SOUL shattered, as Asriel's body turned to dust, right on Asgore's garden. Asgore declares war, while Toriel leaves a few months later, but just before she does, she gives Chara a proper burial under the Ruins, after seeing how Asgore put them in a coffin. She planted a seed from Asgore's garden, so Chara may rest in the flowers they wished for.

At this point, it may seem like I'm praising Chara, and one of those people who say Chara did nothing wrong. This is probably why I've been seen as that kind of theorist in some scenarios. But everything changes from here. This, right here, is where Chara falls.

Asriel betrayed Chara. At least, from their warped perspective. They had no SOUL now, so having compassion for Chara just wasn't their thing anymore. They didn't even TRY to be good like Flowey did, though. Something... happened. We don't know what, maybe it was Asriel betraying Chara, but Chara has gone evil now. Enter Frisk, the eighth fallen human, the reason why they were brought back to life.

"Why was I brought back to life? You. With your guidance."-Chara

Now, Frisk can either kill everyone like Chara wants, or actually do the right thing and not be evil. Chara does not force Frisk to kill at all. That's because they want a true partner... Someone who actually WANTS to help them on their quest... Someone who wants to eradicate all of the monsters. If you miss a monster in Waterfall, and attempt to proceed, Chara stops you, to tell you about the monster(s) you missed, and flat-out tells you not to proceed yet. They want the Genocide. "Missed that comedian. Failure." Frisk isn't corrupting them. After all, why would Chara trust a human? They hate humanity, remember? If they still liked monsters, they'd side with the monsters, and try to stop Frisk, instead of helping them, and believing them, and encouraging them to stay determined.

And they have a HUGE grudge against Flowey, aka Asriel, for betraying the plan. This is evident in the manner that they kill Flowey in. Slow, and painful... So, congratulations, Frisk, your evil genocide is complete. Now, let us erase this pointless world, and move onto the next, partner.

No? You must have misunderstood.. SINCE WHEN WERE YOU THE ONE IN CONTROL?! -9999999999999999999-

"Interesting. You want to go back. You want to go back to the world you destroyed."

Um, Chara? YOU destroyed the world? Also, when did we say we wanted to go back? We had a deal, Chara. 'Now, let us erase this pointless world, and move onto the next.' What happened to that? Yep. Chara lied to Frisk. But why? Because...

"You still have something that I want. Give it to me, and I will bring this world back."

They want to take Frisk's SOUL. But why? Because it gives them total control over Frisk. That way, when Frisk goes pacifist, likely as retaliation against Chara's betrayal, they get to destroy the Surface world too.. As seen in Tainted Pacifist. They want the WHOLE world gone, and for it to STAY gone. They don't want any more recreations, or for the world to just stay living. After all...

"You are filled with a perverted sentimentality."

No, it's not destroying the world. Say no to destroying the world, and..

"No? This is the feeling that I spoke of. Unfortunately, regarding this... YOU MADE YOUR CHOICE LONG AGO."

It's recreating the world that Chara considers perverted. They want the world dead. They have fallen from a misunderstood child, to a demon of pure evil. The very manifestation of LOVE.

"When a number goes up, that feeling... That's me. 'Chara'."

But don't go blaming your genocide on Chara. You're still the one killing off more than 95% of the monsters, Frisk. The fact that you're killing all these monsters is just what made Chara see you as a worthy partner. There is a MERCY button, after all, lol-Ever thought of using it, Frisk? xD Not at all. Also Hi again!

None of this is Chara's fault or doing. Yes Chara hated Humans and wanted to fight back against the attacking Humans, but that has nothing to do with what was done down here, centuries after their death.

Chara is completely neutral in the beginning. No no.

WHO's the one who pressed that FIGHT button? Hmm?

You just teach Chara(and Frisk) to kill by raising their LV. What does that save file say when you start?

CHARA LV 1, then you kill and raise it. Chara was pretty chill (as Temmie said in a tweet) before, and is nice in Pacifist.

But in geneocide well, as Sans says the higher the LV the more you distance yourself from people, and the more willing you are to slaughter the innocent, even your family or best friend.

Chara actually has no idea what *you're* trying to prove as they watch and learn from us like the kid they are, they even admit as much in their speech about how you taught them how to act.

They reason it's power, and even draw up a plan for both of you to continue gaining it, thinking you're their true friend "right where it belongs" as you teach Chara that Mercy, what Asriel used back in the day, is wrong and he just got them both killed, you're the better soul partner. (Since they and Frisk share the same soul.) (opposite message given to them in Pacifist.)

But if you say no they're confused(and betrayed). Eventually Chara just says fuck it, it's MY save file(since when were YOU the one in control?!) "CHARA(or whatever name you gave them)" and just kicks you by erasing it.

And then when you come back to the world YOU destroyed, procedees to kinkshame you about your killing in the void.

But, like Flowey, being a soulless being raised from the dead by DT(specifically, yours.) they feel empty inside and decide they'll reset their save file for you in exchange for a soul again. (Frisks Soul of course, the True murderer isn't even in that plane of existance, whoops just sold an 8-year old's soul! ).

And still kinkshaming you, they'll undo your happy ending from now on because you don't get one you monster. Infinite bad time. (Unless you're a dirty hacker, shame more on that later.)

Or if you do more genocides, they tell you about how you taught them what it means to kill (to become strong) but they admit they continue to believe this but they now know you do not believe this thing yourself, you have a "perverted" sentimentality to this world that causes you to sadistically create and destroy it over and over and over. And Chara cannot understand the feelings in your soul (kind of like how Flowey, even with souls, could not feel feelings regardless.)  And, disgusted, want you to do a pacifist this time after they reset the file.

Saying no, they continue to kinkshame you and put the guilt on you by saying that all this was "YOUR CHOICE LONG AGO!"

The above. That is what I think. YOU are the one that decides everyone's fate. Poor Chara doesn't deserve ANY of the blame. They were not the greatest person in life but they didn't plan any genocides or anything. "Six, we just have to get six". That was their compromise to Asriel, I belive. Sure, maybe Chara would gladly kill them all knowing they had a hatred of Humans especially to save their new friends, but knowing how uncomfortable he was they compromised. (They do that with us too, with the soul.)

Chara is a metaphor for the player character "The Demon that comes when people call it's name (name)" line is a reference to naming your character in an RPG. A normal RPG where that Characters goes on to killl and steal but not on their own, thanks to YOU.

It is YOU who makes the player a demon. It is you who made Chara a demon.

This was the RPG where no one had to die! But you decided to play it like normal!

But there are concequences, as Chara said when they realized how you really think and rebelled(think about THAT the next time you listen to "Megalo STRIKE BACK"), that you think you can get away with destroying this world and just "having it back" whenever you feel like.

"You think you are above concequences."

All in all, Chara was raised by a pretty good parent(Toriel was evidently their favorite as they copy her like how Asriel copies Asgore.). And Chara is the hero we need not the one we deserve. But this story has a sad ending if you decide to hack into the game and undo this.

In the end your power as the Extra-Dimension overlord "Player" is no match for even the most powerful being in Undertale, the one with the SAVE file...

And you are indeed irredeemable. For YOU, are the TRUE villain of Undertale.

You: "Mwahahahahahahahahahahahah...."

No that's not you.

You cannot accept it. Chara says this exact thing.

In the end, Toby predicted this with that line.

That the Fandom would try to shirk the blame.

And indeed we did.

We blame Chara.

Poor poor Chara. When it's OUR fault.

Oh my god I just got that. We blame the Character. “My character’s such a dick.” When it is our fault. Man Toby, beautiful game spilling some moral truths about video games, Role-Playing games specifically.

I wonder how this ties into Chara's backstory though, to continue this allogory of Toby's maybe Chara was often manipulated and controlled by other people and that's why they hate Humans.