Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31981697-20170722123329/@comment-27136653-20170801134552

Don't use a middle man to communicate. If you have something to say, reply to me directly.

> "But my case is they don't have enough DT to trigger the power."

They do tho. And also, all monsters have DT. Some, like Undyne, have a lot, Flowey has even more, more than Undyne, but since all humans have an access to the same powers, then all humans have more DT than Flowey, and therefore...

> "Undyne would have met other humans. If she did, it would mean they didn't have as much DT as we do."

and therefore they have more than Undyne as well. Also, what? Care to explain your reasoning here?

> "Undyne instantly recognizes you as a human. Other monsters don't do this."

A LOT of monsters recognize Frisk as a human, it's not just Undyne. For instance, Papyrus recognizes you, and he DEFINITELY never met a human in his life. True, he had to ask Sans for confirmation, but the idea did come to his mind. So then, the question is raised. Their ages are pretty similar, due to their names on Undernet. So unless they're separated by a century of age, which I don't think is the case, since Undyne looks really young, then Undyne never met a human too if Papyrus didn't. As I said, Papyrus guards the passage to Waterfall like nothing else. Undyne controls a completely different area. She never saw one if Papyrus didn't.

> "They have a "Toby did it" solution."

It's magic. Just like the christian God, magic can also be used to explain everything. You don't need to understand it, you just gotta believe it, since it makes no sense anyways. So why would you attempt to bring physics into Undertale, when there's no physics to begin with?

> "And my case here is that the player and Frisk are one and the same."

Frisk can disobey you. They're not you.

Also, about the humans fighting Asgore,  I believe Undyne said that "no human has EVER made it past Asgore". Which leads ME to believe they fought Asgore. All of them. They couldn't just die along the way, otherwise they would have reset and tried again. So they must have stumbled upon something REALLY difficult. Like, perhaps Asgore. Either they gave up trying to overpower him (even Undyne couldn't, ps. see below), or they just straight-up donated their soul. You know, to serve the greater purpose. I can imagine kindness doing that for example.

Oh and also, don't say that Undyne couldn't defeat him because she wasn't determined. SHE FUCKING WAS DETERMINED. But she could only defeat him after many tries, just like us, when we fought her. And the other humans? They lost, even after many tries. Asgore is tough, he was just going easy on Frisk. He practically let Frisk drain his HP. He didn't let Undyne do that. "I couldn't land a single blow on him".

As you can see, Undyne is a great fighter. The kids weren't, which is why they didn't win. But in Frisk's case, Asgore wasn't dodging, which is why Frisk won.