Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-35615238-20190121141916/@comment-32182236-20190305130627

"How would I even have access to "yet-to-be-revealed" evidence? All my theories involve evidence that has ALREADY BEEN REVEALED. I simply see meaning where others just shake their heads."

Hopefully you know now that I made a post all about that.

"Let's hit Pink Diamond head on. My theory was that before she was shattered, Pink gave her powers to Rose Quartz, who then had Steven with Greg. So Steven is a fusion of three beings, Pink Diamond, Rose Quartz, and Greg. Three beings who are one being."

While I take sides with White Diamond, and say Pink became Rose, which is possible to do because both gems are cut out the same way.

"The main theory commumity now believes that Rose Quartz simple was an alias for Pink Diamond. But I'm sticking to my original theory though, because 1) It makes a far better story 2) Because there's plenty of evidence that Pink and Rose were actually seperate people."

Alright, condition 2 is what I'll be analyzing, I think you already know I don't use condition 1.

"Take the flashback in Gemcation. Garnet tells about how she and all the other Crystal Gems fought Titan Pink, a version of Pink Diamond every bit as large as the others, sporting a four-sided gemstone in her navel like a traditional Diamond."

Of course! This was before her shattering, and all Diamonds would start out this large! So far, there's no suprise.

"Pink Diamond is naturally a dwarf in Diamond terms. She's small. And her five-sized Diamond cannot be rotated into any form that shows only four sides. And while forms can change over time, and shapeshift, the material gem at the core of a gem NEVER CHANGES SHAPE. And if it does, such as when a gem gets cracked?.. the form immediately changes, often warping horribly like what happened to Amethyst."

So.. How do we know that isn't exactly what happened to Pink when she turned into Rose? There did seem to be clips of Pink "shattering" herself (she really shattered a mirror, though.) So perhaps she cracked her own gem.

"So my theory was that White Diamond tried to force Pink to become "a real Diamond", by poofing her and force-fusing lesser gems onto her material core until she LOOKED like a Real Diamond. Which would explain why Titan Pink so so terrifying looking and twisted, a sharp departure from the circle-shoed kind elf Pink originally was."

..Don't you mean Rose? And if we're actually valuing SP, do note that White Diamond was considered a motherly figure to the Diamonds by the creator of the show themselves in an imterview. So based on SP.. White created the other Diamonds, as that would explain ner motherly role. And she wouldn't create Pink to be flawed.

..You see, "story potential" is quite inconsistent. It appears to lead to a logical conclusion, but really, it can take us just about anywhere. Hence why I've considered it a flawed argument.

At the same time.. you DO know Rose having five sides only supports this theory if Pink really WAS Rose, right? If they're two separate entities, Pink isn't necessarrily naturally five-sided, and the Titan could have been her natural form. Is Rose Quartz Pink Diamond or not?

"For these flashbacks, which were witnessed by several other Crystal Gems including Pearl, to be real, someone had to warp Pink Diamond's gem in the past. One reason why she would want to be shattered.. just like the horrible gem shard fusion experiments that horrified Garnet so much, she's now a gem-level fusion, and no longer herself at all, doomed to a life of tormented horror."

And that would crack her gem!

"How can you claim that Pink Diamond is Rose and "it's as simple as that", after seeing Change Your Mind?"

As I said the last time I talked about it, the episode just failed to make a proper conclusion. The entire "Steven vs White Diamond" scene was completely rushed. It had a LOT of potential, but it was lost, because the needed exposition just didn't happen.

Basically, here's all that we learned.

1-Yes, Diamonds can be affected by other Diamonds-Blue vs Yellow anyone?

2-Obsidian is revealed! ..But we already knew about that form.

3-So, fusion can still happen, as a way around getting trapped in your gemstone!

4-Steven's gem is Pink Diamond. *slow clap* I saw that one coming from a mile away. If Rose is Pink, and Rose "became" Steven, then of course Steven has Pink.

5-But of course, Rose is only HALF of Steven. When Steven is split into two, Pink Steven is Rose/Pink, while body steven is Greg.

6-Let's laugh, and then fuse back together!

7-That's acting like a child, Steven! *bangs fists*

8-Because I am. What's your excuse?

..Yeah. Pretty rushed.

"When Steven's Gem is removed, splitting him into Human Steven and Light Steven, he goes through three forms before forming: Pink Diamond, Rose Quartz, and then Steven. And even after his gem is removed, it's still Light Steven inside that gem, not simply Pink possessing a human."

Pink isn't POSSESSING the human, Pink IS the human. These are all different FORMS of the same entity.

"There are multiple times where Steven goes through three forms, remembering himself as PInk, then Rose, then himself. Three beings. Three beings that are one being."

So, the truth is simple. Rose and Pink are literally one and the same.

"And then the kicker from the last episode. When White Diamond asks Light Steven where Pink is, he says: "She's Gone". Then screams it a second time "She's.. GONE!!!" wrecking White's throne room with a DBZ sonic blast."

Clearly, the power of Pink Diamond.

"Pink Diamond WAS shattered. She's no longer there. Her energy is in Steven (along with the energy of several other gems by Steven's strange powers), but the gem White pulled out of Steven's belly wasn't Pink Diamond's gem."

..Then.. Who was it, and why did it shift into Pink Diamond? I took that as similar to saying that Anakin Skywalker is gone, there is only Darth Vader now.

"Gem forms are largely determined by their gem cut. And in RL gemology, something SU references very frequently, rose quartz gems are cut in EXACTLY the same manner as pink diamond gems. It's very difficult to tell them apart."

Hence why I believe is it possible for Pink Diamond to become Rose. She just has to use the cut that she ALREADY HAS. No need to alter that!

"The personality of Shapeshifted Pink in A Single Pale Rose is childish and immature, not at all like the wise matriarch that Rose has been like through the series."

That's because she's developed since then. Character development, Ferret!

"And as Rebecca herself pointed out in an interview, gems always call their superiors "My ...." yet in a flashback Rose once called Pearl "My Pearl", which makes Zero Sense because Pearls are widely considered slaves in gem society, of the lowest rank."

As I said last time, Rose was acting in-character. Remember, she was trying to fool everyone. She said she shattered Pink, and Pink is now gone, none of which is true. Remember, she's pretending to just be a Quartz.

"A Diamond looking up to a pearl would be unheard of.. but here, Rose Quartz is doing it."

Because she doesn't want to get outed as Pink Diamond.

"Pink created all the rose quartz gems, and we've yet to see what a regular rose quartz soldier looks like. Pink could have very easily cut one particular rose quartz gem that looked exactly like her in her rotated form. And I believe that's exactly what happened."

So.. Rose is a clone of Pink?

"Pink Diamond is dead. The entity known as Steven has her energy as part of himself. Yellow Diamond mentioned in the last episode that Diamonds CAN be shattered, you can simply smash them with enough force. They're not invincible, just very powerful."

Of course-Otherwise a diamond wouldn't be able to shatter another diamond.

"From the liberal bent of the show, having Pink being horribly victimized by forced-fusion makes perfect sense. The show is a beautiful satire about what's messed up with Modern Christianity. White Diamond basically put Pink through the gem equivalent of Gay Conversion Therapy, trying to smash and warp her real form into something "acceptable" by White's standards, even if it meant utterly destroying everything Pink actually was. Pink, the aspect of love and compassion, was horribly victimized by her Diamond sisters, which is why she ran away, and eventually rebelled."

I still consider it a deconstruction of the Mary Sue achetype, and a message that perfection is just plain overrated, and nobody can actually BE perfect. Essentially, don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good!

If we took a Mary Sue, and put her in a realistic world, keeping all of her abilities, but no longer have the plot just get ruined, rather deconstructing the concept, and taking it to its logical conclusion/extreme, we'd get White Diamond. She has immense, potentially infinite power, is supposedly "perfect", and she wants everything to go HER way.. Which it usually does.. She mind-controls those who go against her way, much as a Sue warps the canon characters to make them do things for her that they wouldn't canonically due.

"This theory, along with all of my other ones, utilizes firm evidence that has ALREADY BEEN REVEALED."

Then the key is presenting that evidence.

"I do build theories using the conclusions of other theories, and I realize this is shakey. But if the story makes more sense by taking this direction, I go with it. And it's served me well."

What you should instead do is analyze those other theories as well, and see if THEY'RE supported by the evidence. Just as you need to provide evidence to show that the main theory is current, so much you do this if you use lesser theories as evidence. The Narrator theory you linked to, and that's good. I've separately proven the Narrator theory as well. Since you linked to it and its proof by Determinators, you can use that in your theory. But if an unfounded theory is used as your evidence, then that makes your bigger theory ALSO unfounded, unless it can be proven without relying on said theory, or you manage to actually give the unfounded theory some foundation using evidence.