Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31371445-20170222233857/@comment-27136653-20180921231817

" The plaques YOU used and provided as flimsy evidence outright disproves this statement here."

I am denying this, unless you'd like to get a bit more specific.

"Yup, you're DEFINITELY in denial."

If I say that no normal magic can be behind this, I'm being genuine. This is some serious down to the quantum level shit and kinda has to be native to the universe itself. And due to its complexity (to be more specific, shapes, selectiveness, manipulation with reality itself), it kinda implies a creative design. And since I'm not in favor of this, I just like to say it mustn't be "canon," for the greater good.

"The game acts as if these things are natural parts of the world"

That's what Toby said. My simulation theory is a much simpler explanation. If you dislike this type of reasoning, please, add Toby back into the equation. Besides, I've just discovered that Flowey can point out whether you've messed with the soundtrack... another nail in the coffin for the non-meta universe hypothesis you're all propagating.

"if that one instance forces us to acknowledge it, then we have to acknowledge it across the board in all other instances"

Then I shan't force myself to acknowledge it. I've already provided an alternative explanation after all, that the HUD translates everything for us.

"Which is more stupid, being in denial or accepting facts? Clearly you chose the former."

I take that as 'unable to answer a simple binary choice question.'

"Except Sans talks about EXecution Points while NOT in the battle system."

And that's why I consider EXP an actual property of the soul. Notice. I'm not denying the existence of saves or souls or magic. Only of the HUD.

"The same can be said about you and both the Alphys Entries and the plaques."

You mean her contradicting the plaques? Well, as I've already said, I default to the plaques, simply because Alphys could have been wrong, whereas the plaques couldn't have been, else their existence would have been pointless.

"He was talking about people like him."

No one's quite like him. Maybe except for Chara, as he thought. Though, in that instance, he was speaking of some third unknown person.

"Actual logic, the kind that you seem to be allergic to. Gaster never used or manipulated the invisible barriers to his or the monsters advantage, and neither did the monsters."

Just like no one except Sans and Asgore ever bothered to tap into the arts of HUD modification.

"DENIAL!"

Mirror mania, man.

"The power of a soul" is a statement semantically equivalent to "soul power". Notice, you can take Alphys's words, and interpret soul power as a condensed label she made up for whatever makes souls powerful. It's not like she enclosed the phrase in quotation marks, or perhaps capitalized both of the words and not just the word "SOUL", so I don't really feel like it's explicitly its own term. Ergo, its phrasing is free to change. Like I've just shown.

"In other words, Determination. The plaques were talking about the SOUL's ability to persist after death, which is what Determination is defined as."

Yes. Meaning, that soul power is determination. Unless, you're saying that monsters actually have two distinct, yet nearly gramatically identical terms, for two different things.

"DT can't be what the metric is talking about, because we've clearly seen two instances where it CAN increase and change in quantity."

And I've stated many times how the theory explains those two instances. You just keep coming back to this statement, saying I still have to comment on it, when in reality, I did, but you ignored me.

And in the end you call me an idiot, because I have nothing else besides the stuff you've decided to ignore.

"meaning that their DT increased and achieved the threshold to attain that ability"

Alright, try not to ignore me this time. Since soul power is DT, it cannot change. Else it would be way too easy to break the barrier. And yet, DT changes. I'm not changing my statement about soul power, since that's dead obvious. So I gotta splice DT instead. It doesn't change, but the amount a person utilizes at a given moment does NOT equal the overall amount they have. So, in short, they need to be "mentally determined" in order to utilize DT, the actual physical substance.

This is also how I explain the other children dying, despite cleary having enough DT to be able to reset. Not enough mental determination. (It also explains the refuse mechanic, fyi.)

"Your problem about Frisk having more DT then the other SOULS"

Not my idea. I cannot fathom how you managed to come to such a conclusion.

"The phrase, "the power of a SOUL," is not used in either plaques."

Gramatically, it is. I just substituted the pronouns with the proper nouns.

"Once again disregarding canon I see. You are REALLY bad at this. Also, I do believe that is called a Fanfiction, i.e not canon."

You're just missing the point.

"And where is the implication that they are the same thing? Oh, wait, I remember: those two plaques that only talk about DT, and not SOUL Power, that you thought counted as evidence for your case, but really didn't."

Then say it. How am I wrong? In this specific case with the plaques. Nevermind DT flux now.

"The last sentence also doesn't flow with what's shown in-game, if they were the same thing, then she would've made that distinction before or after extracting DT. But she didn't, anywhere."

The way I see it, she still considered souls a mystery, just like the books or plaques or whatever, that their absolute nature is unknown. She knew DT plays a role, but didn't know what the X in the equation DT+X=SP is. But we now know that X doesn't exist.

"In other words, only when you want us to and not when we can use it to disprove you."

No, I mean it. The intro and the plaques are both on equal grounds. The arrow of time takes precedence in that case. The plaques and Alphys are not however. Alphys is a person, she can be wrong. The plaques cannot be wrong for the same reason that the intro cannot be wrong. It's lore.

"Evidence to this statement. She experimented and got results that said as such; you are REALLY, REALLY, bad at this."

She thought she could make monster souls persist after death by injecting them with DT. If she studied more, she would have known that monster souls and their bodies are one and the same thing, meaning her experiment was destined to fail.

It's not my fault you lack this sort of knowledge about the game, and yet you engage in these long discussions, where every participant assumes everyone else already has a full knowledge of the game's content, to simplify the discussion.

"Except he didn't need to do that as Omega Flowey, disproving this."

Omega Flowey didn't want to reset. My theory makes the prediction that if he wanted to reset, he would have had the opportunity the moment he would have killed Frisk for the first time. But of course, he never resets, only reloads, so that he can keep torturing us. So while it's not attestable, it's not disproven, as you're claiming.

"An ability that humans automatically have; unlike REFUSE. You disprove yourself here."

Persist without dying ya dingus.

"No, you don't. REFUSE is an ability you GAIN, and can't be one you just have from the get go, as shown by both of my prior explanations before hand!"

And I'm not saying humans have it from the get go. I'm saying they have the potential.

"Because the former is the power of the SOUL as a whole, and the later is but a PART of the SOUL as a whole, and clearly able to fluctuate."

So, because DT changes, you imagine the content of the soul changes, which then cannot be the actual stuff that gives it its power, because that stuff, as stated, doesn't change. Okay. So you're splicing soul components.

I'm splicing DT itself. What fluctuates is your inner force, the one you use to communicate with the essence, whereas DT, the physical stuff, doesn't fluctuate. And why I'm doing this?

BECAUSE"THE POWER OF A SOUL"  MEANS THE EXACT SAME THING AS "SOUL POWER"  IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE, SO WE CANNOT POSSIBLY BE SPLICING SOUL COMPONENTS OVER HERE.

Also, I don't consider trait mixing to be a thing, so don't think our theories are any similar.

"You're introducing something that's never stated, hinted, implied, or referenced in the game in any way. That is literally the basic definition of "introducing new elements into play.""

It is referenced and I also believe hinted at. Asriel says he must kill us first in order to reset. Does he not realize we could just come back? Or if we couldn't, why cannot he just reset immediately?

"So, DOES DT decrease and increase, or doesn't it?"

Welp, what else would it do inside the soul? It has to be utilized somehow. Still, I believe it possesses incredible regenerative properties, all thanks to the power of the human body (we know how well it synergizes with DT, right?), meaning, it never falls short of that target soul power amount for too long.

"Or they just destroyed the world, because, again, it's clearly stated what would happen. Also, are you trying to get rid of the meta or keep it, you keep flip flopping here."

Which is impossible. They did not have the resources to do that. Also, whenever possible, I'm trying to demonstrate the absurdity of the more meta explanation.

"First: How? Explain."

Lol really? You're asking how would the soul lose its control over the timeline?

"Except Asriel actually succeeding. Also, Pacifist Frisk is clearly different from Neutral Frisk, as shown by the repeated citing of the Omega Flowey and GoHD fights."

Their soul is the same in both runs. Idk what you mean.

"Except the Alphys Entries, OF and GoHD fights, and Undyne the Undying; also, proof, do you have any to show and back up your statement?"

I said unshaken by the rest of the game, not by nothing. And while I have no proof, just like nobody has any proof that the red trait is DT, I have my evidence. You've just denied my entire work with a single comment once again. Why do you even bother? Heck, why do I?

"Nope, no mention of SOUL Power here, just DT."

I get it now. You're denying the identity of the two phrases only because you believe that DT is not soul power. I'm trying to preserve its correct semantical meaning however. And that led me to splice DT into two categories instead. One physical, one metaphorical. The metaphorical fluctuates, whereas the physical can stay equal to the power of the soul, soul power.