Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31536324-20190117214835/@comment-31536324-20190316190527

"That's a proof that they're not us. We command them, but there are limits to what we can do with them."

Exactly.

"'Infinite worlds, infinite possibilities, chances are actually fairly high.'

Don't know about the probability, but I certainly believe that if the laws look artificial, the universe itself probably is. I mean, there are people irl who think we're living in a simulation, and the laws of our universe aren't even that weird (as in, they're still very different from how a computer game would work)."

Fair enough.

"'In other words, what THA and I have been doing.'

Except I change the HUD instead of keeping it the way it is."

But why change it though?

"'Why should it be?'

Occam's razor."

And how is it simpler? It sounds more like laziness.

"'They'd be more likely to speculate that games were made based on this phenomenon that occurs in their world first, THEN speculate things like that.'

Seeing how easy it is to create those games, versus how difficult it is to simulate our universe here (physics engines are no joke, I tried making them a few times before, got stuck on making a double pendulum), I think they'd eventually get the idea that maybe their universe might be just like one of those games. I mean, it has already happened here too, we did make physics simulators, and after understanding their simplicity, we got the idea that maybe we're living in a simulation."

Doesn't meam it IS though, and that's the keyword: LIKE.

"'Different universes, same multiverse. Basic stuff is the same, it's just that some things are more prevalent, or present period, there than in Undertale.'

That still doesn't mean the laws are the same. Heck, I'd argue they aren't, because of the party system. Why is Kris the only one with a soul? Or, if that's just the effect of the dark world, what's the dark world to begin with?"

1: Kris is the one with the ability to SAVE, and given the implications of them being possessed being a frequent occurrence, the one with a Red SOUL.

2: Presumably the party system slightly extends the SOUL's influence. There is a sequence with Suzy that we follow and have little influence on after all.

3: As I said: BASIC THINGS, as in the basic battle system. And as I also said: with more things prevalent or present period.

"'That's why I don't interpret it as a game either, or buy the simulation hypothesis.'

And that's why I need to demolish the HUD. Because it's not just the 4th wall, it's all the references to it being a game."

1: How is it?

2: Yet it's a canon part of the world, and THA and I have managed to distill it from the 4th Wall.

"'I was referring to the player as the Anomaly, probably should have put that there, and how Genocide is basically just calling out the player.'

I mean... yeah, it is. Most things in the game can be explained that way. But that's old knowledge. Right now, we're seeking to give them in-universe explanations, such that wouldn't involve the player."

Okay, it's part of thr battle system, the canon natural method of Human vs Monster fights. Oh look! No mention of the Player!

"'In-universe the Player is the Anomaly'

That's a placeholder name that Sans gave it, and the anomaly was Flowey."

Oh look! This kid is doing LITERALLY THE EXACT SAME THING AS THE FLOWER! And the Flower is no longer doing it to boot! I guess this anomaly isn't a single person, but a force of some kind! Gee, I am such a good scientist!

"'What day was that posted?'

Heck if I know. If you're looking for it, she may have deleted it already."

Most likely.