Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31981697-20170722123329/@comment-27136653-20170730023639

1) They couldn't win. Asgore was too strong.

2) We don't know. The ball game is a mystery. Proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq3abPnEEGE

3) You're forgetting. Undyne wasn't alive, or was too young. There was this time period described by Toriel as being "a long time". That was between the 6th human and Frisk. A long time isn't one year. She was there for like a century. For sure a long time would be something like 20 years to her.  There's a lot of nitpicky stuff that could help us unblur the timeline, but the most important piece of evidence is  Undyne's Undernet name: StrongFish91. Undyne is around 20 to 30 years old during the game. Undyne was probably very young when the 6th human came (if you say the long time is the 20 years). God knows if she saw the human, but the human did not teach kid Undyne how to cook. That's ridiculous. You would think her parents would teach her that. And I think she never met the human either, considering her knowledge about humans is like, REALLY limited. Maybe she saw them, but you know that a lot of monsters mistake Frisk for another monster.

That water is actually a canal. An articifial canal created specifically for the core. We see the ice blocks on a conveyor belt. If it was natural, then the ice blocks could have ended up literally anywhere. The water might be flowing into hotland, but a lot of stuff ends up in the dump as well. The waterfall isn't just that one river with ice blocks we saw, it's an entire area with many swamps and small rivers and yes, waterfalls.

4) True. And the coffins in Asgore's castle are ordered by the rainbow. No I'm not kidding, they are.

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6) We have little proof for this red soul theory, but we know a lot about determination. Just the sole fact that all kids had DT and DT-related powers renders the red soul theory invalid. Determination is yellow, never red, it is never mentioned by the ball game, and the outcome of Asgore's battle had very little to do with it, because it was his power that shut down the other humans. Frisk was just a lucky 8 year old in a striped overall. How would that help him get through the fight?

The only reason this theory exists is because determination is a thing, and a red soul trait is not.

7) thx I guess

If you want to push this red soul theory further, then ask yourself, when does disproving the little pieces of evidence that go against it actually make your theory more complicated than the opposing theory itself? If you want, you can visit the nochocolate blog and ask them about it, if this isn't enough: http://nochocolate.tumblr.com/post/153875085963/the-red-soul. It may take a few weeks for them to answer, but they're really good at dissecting the game.

Also, there are more instances of this "being yourself" theme. It's in the mirrors, and in Sans's judgement.