Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-32182236-20190920194329/@comment-32182236-20190924144407

Sigh..If Undyne,Asgore and the whole monsterkind stopped to hate humans because of Frisk's kindness,why would a KID still hate them?

Monsters don't have as much determination as humans do. And determination is your will to change fate. But it can also mean firmness of purpose.

Why do you think it's so easy to spare a monster that's trying to kill you, that it seems.. unrealistic for a human?

Why is it as simple as throwing a stick for the dogs to leave their very important job of killing a human, to play a game of fetch?

I'd say it's because of a lack of determination.

Second, the humans haven't done anything to these monsters DIRECTLY, except for Asriel, and that is why Asgore declared war. Even still, the monsters seem to understand that the humans reasonably thought that Asriel had killed Chara.

What do you think happened to Chara when they started adamantly defending the monsters to a monster-hating society? (I'm pretty sure they would have disagreed HEAVILY with the war.) Going on and saying that humans SHOULDN'T have banished monsters that have the capability of destroying all of mankind?

I don't know how the humans would have responded to that claim.. But I don't think it went well.

There are plenty of reasons why Chara would hate humanity while the monsters no longer do.

And let's remember that Undyne already loves one aspect of humanity-Their "history". ---

Speaking of which, what kind thing has Frisk ever done for Chara directly and knowingly? Frisk awakened Chara from death.. And that seems to be about it. And Chara has to spell it out for Frisk, so I don't think that was intentional on Frisk's behalf. It definitely wasn't on our behalf.

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Flowey has been getting Frisk and Chara confused. Frisk is the one in control in the Pacifist Route, and, in fact, all non-soulless runs. (Yes, that includes Genocide.)

When Flowey realized that Chara wasn't gone, he figured out that Chara was the narrator, and the two share a body. From Flowey's experience, when two people share a body, they both share control. So Asriel believes that Frisk and Chara also have split control. And seeing how much he looks up to Chara, he'd attribute many of Frisk's good acts to Chara, to try and convince himself, that he was RIGHT about Chara.

The power to reset is the power that WE'VE been fighting to stop, not Chara. And we were the ones that made friends with the monsters, not Chara. So it only makes sense that he's talking to Frisk. Yet, he calls them Chara, and speaks of Frisk in the third-person. So he's attributing Frisk's actions to Chara. He BELIEVES he's talking about Chara, but it was really Frisk who did all that. Because when two people share a body, it's impossible to tell which member of the duo is doing a certain action-They'd both look identical-The body moves to do the action.

I dont think that Frisk feels the same way about their friends as we do.

If Frisk loved them so much, they wouldn't have killed them all. They're just like Flowey at this point-Seeing everything as a bunch of information. Data. Like a game.

They ruin the pacifist end not because of the personal hate but because it's the only run where frisk got their happy ending.

And how is that not sociopathic again?

"I don't want YOU to be happy, so I'll kill all these people that I KNOW are innocent and did nothing wrong!"-Mago!Chara

In genocide run you killed more than 100 monsters thinking it won't cause any consequences so do you think you still deserve your happy ending?Do you think that Chara think you deserve one ?

No, but those innocent monsters still deserve to live! Mess up the ending some other way, maybe Frisk dies in a car accident or something. Or Chara tells Sans about everything and Sans kills Frisk. Or maybe Frisk lives, but is shunned by all of their former friends, because Chara messed everything up for them. (Maybe by controlling them into giving Alphys Mew Mew Kissy Cutie 2 as a birthday present?)

There's plenty of ways to mess up Frisk's ending without killing innocent monsters.

But if Chara doesn't think that these monsters are innocent.. Then it makes PERFECT sense why Chara killed them.