Thread:MagomaevaAmina/@comment-33883848-20190403192832

Ive played the game several times,read hundred theories about this character,collected all info about them and so i feel obligated to debunk some misconceptions concernimg this rather controversial character

1.Chara never planned any war

This is the main reason why people believe Chara is evil but the fact is :its never confirmed in the game.The game only says that it would be the consequnces of their actions,not that its something they wanted.That because murder always has bad consequrnces according to the lore of this game.But what confirms that Chara never planned to eradicate humanity??

a.Chara seems to knew that the control would be split as asriel say that they would fulfil their plan "together"and Chara wanted to absorb 6 human souls.Iam i the single one that see a major flaw here??If chara wanted to eradicate humanity they would know that the souls they absorbed wouldnt allow them to and take over.Chara would only have 1/7 control,so do you think they could eradicate any race with only having 1/7 of control??It would even let humanity opportunity to kill the fusion even though Asriel would turn into a god like entity since it would be over the 6 souls control and as it would still be affected by cruel intentions since asriel would still be a monster

Not only that but the souls can rebel as during omega flowey fight,so it would fail Chara's plan.We dont know why the souls cant rebel against Asriel during the pacifist last fight ,perhaps because all of those souls are composing his soul as the narrator says?

b.Chara refers to their plan as "our plan"and not "my plan",if.So their plan was common to Asriels one and asriel's plan was to free the monsterkind.Their plan was only the one that Asriel agreed to so "Well be strong well free everyone.Six we just have to get six...".If Chara had any ulterior motive,they would call it "my plan"not "our plan".

c.Flowey still think that Chara wanted to free the monsterkind despite the fact that he know that Chara wanted to kill the villagers."Lets finish what WE started and free everyone".Despite the common belief,hes not refering to death but the real freedom as he wants to show monsters what humanity looks like"Let finish what we started and free everyone.Let them show what humanity really looks like",the only way for monsters to see humanity is by breaking the barrier.And Flowey co firms that he really wants to break the barrier"as lomg as you are arround living on the surface doenst seem to be that bad".

So even Flowey,the one whe knew Chara better than anyone,better than all fans still claim that Chara wants to free the monsters.And thats not related to idolisation here since he has a pretty twisted morality now,so he would rather see as a good thing if Chara wanted to eradicate humanity but he still claims that Chara only wanted tk free the monsterkind .That because he know Chara.

So given all of this,i think its much more likely that Chara only wanted to free the monsterkind.

2.Chara destroy the world.

Actually,Chara thought you wanted it given how much they are suprised if you refuse to "No...?".They expected Frisk to choose to erase the world.Why wouldnt they?After all why else would Frisk kill all monsterkind if its not for a mission as erasing the world?For fun??thinking it would cause no consequnces??However since the world destruction is consequence of their actions"It was was you who pushed everything to its edge and led the world to its destruction but you cannot accept it,you think youre above consequences",Chara erase it regadless your choice.They thought you were killing monsters thinking it was a mission,they thought you killed all monsters to gain enough power in order to destroy the world"Now we have reached the absolute ,theres nothing left for us here.Lets erase this pointless world and move on to the next"but by wanting to recreate the world,you showed that you killed everyone thinking it would cause no consequnces"but you think youre above consequnces"

Some would argue its just a manipulation tactic to guilt trip Frisk so they would be eager to give their soul but Chara still blame Frisk alone in the second geno ending,the one where they already have their soul.

And Chara clearly doesnt want to keep world destroyed in the second genocide ending"Sbould you choose to create this world once more".So they need a valid reason to keep it destroyed it seems as "mission".

In short,Chara destroy the world regadless your choice because its your consequences for killing monsters as your actions showed Chara its what you wanted but by recreating the world you showed them that you killed everyone thinking "youre above consequences",thinking it woud cause no consequnces.

3.Its never implied that they wanted you to do the genocide run since the start.

They dont give any kill count in the ruins,something they would if they wanted the player to do this run.They are also passive in all runs besides the geno run,implying that they changed in the genocide run.In fact Chara was following Frisk's guidance a sthey no longer trusts themself when their plan failled and their guidance showed them that power is the "purpose of their reincarantion",they dont even knew why they come back to life untill you showed them why"at first i was so confused.Our plan is failled,why was i brought back to life ?you with your guidance i realized the purpose of my reincarnation power".And they are souless at that so unable to feel compassion"creatures like us wouldnt hesitate to kill each other"they no longer feel compassion towards monsters,so they cant judge by their compassion anymore.

And if you never kill ,Chara says that bag full of dogs food is "half full",which means that they are opmistic and if you kill at least one monster they are pessimistic as they says "its half empty".So in fact they dont want Frisk to kill,they want to believe that Asriel was right regards sparing the attackers and didnt betray them.In the genocide run,you shows them that you cant survive without killimg simce you literally kill every single enemy,so Asriel betrayed them ,which is wby its the only run they shows anger towads Asriel.

Strangely Chara abort genocide even though you spare monsters that dont provide exp or gold as Glad dummy,so it seems like they abort it because you show them that the world doenst really work on kill or be killed and so doesnt need to be destroyed and so they abort the "mission",so you fail your mission "Comedian ran away failure".

After all,even Flowey follows Frisk's guidamce in a way "Since i defeated you i thinking,is killing really neceseraly.I honestly dont know anynore.Proove to me youre enough strong to survive".And if you kill nonsters in your next run he would say "So killing people is actually fine?",prooving that its not manipulation.And nothing implies that he ever manipulate you,he take your friends souls only when he realize that Chara was in Frisk all along"Chara are you there"

And Chara slaugher Flowey violtenly yes but they have lv 20 when they do so and so they have a really high will to hurt.Its proven that love make you more violent as Frisk hit the dummy more and more violently as they love increases,plus Chara is souless.

And checking the family photo give them a real pause in this run instead of describing it as "nothing usefull"as they do with most stuff in this run.Since right after Chara is about to kill by themself their family to be completely emotionaly distant and erase the world,it seems like they feel guilty about it regadless how much love they get.

Chara also describes many monsters positively ,for example they says that Toriel "knows best for you",they ask you to not pick on looxs "dont pick on him",says that one isnt evil but just hanging out in wrong crowd etc...And most importantly ,they see undyne as a hero even in the genocide run even though she never showed in this run that she hate humanity.It seems like they see them as a hope to stop Frisk,so deep inside they dont really wants Frisk to kill those monsters even though they feel themself obligated to let them to as they dont trust themself to do anything.But yeah,in this run they dismiss some monsters as Toriel or Papyrus or Monster kid,perhaps its to reduce their guilt regards killing them well because

a.Toriel is their mother so they likely feel guilty about killing her.And when you kill her even in this run they still shows sadness as showed by cooker narration "Noone will ever use this anymore.."so they try to dismiss her saying that shes not "worth talking to" b.Papyrus likely remind them of Asriel,so it would cause guilt killing him so they try to dismiss him as "forgettable" c.Monster kid ,iam not sure.Perhaps they really see them as a "free exp",given how agresively they approach this monster.Or they feel guilty about killing an inocent monster and try to cope with it saying its a "free exp"?Who knows...

4.Asriel never said that Chara was a bad person

"Maybe the truth is Chara wasnt really the greatest person,while you frisk youre the type of friend i wish i could always have""

Keep in mind that Frisk can be an ashole in the "pacifist"run too.They can insult monsters and hurt all of them until they have only 1 hp left but he stil says that Frisk is "the friend he wish he always had".Since its not related with being mean,its seems like its related to a specific aspect of them:Frisk refused to kill even in self defence,Chara doesnt,so he wish to had a friend like Frisk,a friend with who he could share his compassion for life.

And he still have an idea that Chara care about monsters as he ask them to not be worried by them ,even after realizing that they "werent really the greatest person","Seems like everyone is perfectly happy,peace and harmony would rule across the land .TAKE A DEEP BREATH THERES NOTHING LEFT TO WORRY ABOUT[...]See you latter Chara".So again,this line doenst mean that he figure out Chara was cruel,but that he stopped his idolisation,.After all he didnt want to doubt of Chara in lifetime"No ill never doubt of you never!",which les him to agree with the plan and to death.

5.Chara never intentionally poisoned Asgore.

"But we accidentally put buttercups instead",both made this mistake,so it was an accident.sure he says that Chara "laughed it off"but...he says that he was supposed to do the same thing.. "I should have laughed it off like you did.." Hes not stupid after all he know that Chara is sadistically smiling in the geno run"You got a sick sence of humour",so he would know that Chara was sadistically laughing if they were really sadistically laughing and so wouldnt say that he should do the same thing.

And "laughing something off"commonly means "to light a situation in order to make it seem less serious"https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/laugh+it+off

Since they choose this same horrible method to die instead of idk failling or other methods that would hide their suicide ,they choose the most painfull one ,plus a method that would ruin their chances to hude their suicide since they would share some symptons of it with Asgore.So they feel very guilty about it and so they tried to cope with it by "laughing it off".

Sure monsters says that they fell "ill"but i doubt that asgore and toriel that chara killed themself....because well...thats something private...

6.Chara wasnt cruel towards monsters during their lifetime

Rather reverse actually,Asgore saw them as the "future of humans and monsters",as someone who would make peace possible,they gave monsters hope to live in peace with humans.So they were definetely friedly towards them.Asriel says that Chara was the only person who could understand him .They also played together a lot "Youre the only one with who its funny to play".They also made a sweater to asgore that says "Mr dad guy",the one that likely took months to knite as Asgore is rather big.Flowey also notes how Chara and asgore were close as he believes that despite how hard he tried to convince Asgore,he would show those souls to Chara.

Its also strongly implied that Chara is the reason why monsters loose their fear of humans and went to populate the rest of the underground instead of hidding in the ruins as Chara appears to lived in the ruins as Toriels house has a golden flower drawing that looks exactly the same as chara and put in the exact same place.Plus Toriels house has "a room under renovations"implying that Chara usex to sleep here.And Chara is awfully familiar with the tree near this house"every time this tree grows any leaves,they fall right off"and you can even see Chara and Asriel playing arround this tree in Temmies concept arts(where they look nicer than any of their fanon depictions so far lol).And Chara fell in the underground arround 201X,while coincidentally monsters moved out the ruins at the begging of this year"Theres a old calendar here from the begining of 201X".Chara sure says that they "came here"at the end of this year,but they could so meant that this is the date they came in new home and the date could be circled because its the date the dreemurs decided to adopt them.I mean they wouldnt adopt a human right immediatly right??

Some people would of course say that they manupulated everyone but really nothing implies so.Its also unlikely that they would be able to manipulate the people they lived with for arround 1 year without anyone noticing their "true nature",especially Toriel.They are also a kid not a mastermind guys.

7.Chara doesnt possess Frisk in the genocide run

They likely says "its me Chara"because they no longer hide that they are inside of Frisk as in this run Frisk is their new "best friend",so thereres no need to hide personal stuff.After all ,they accuse Frisk for "pushing everything to its edge",stil often narrate using "you "pronoun in this run(which refers to Frisk "still just you Frisk"while the "i"is the pronoun they uses to describe themself)and even the sins belongs to this "you","you feel your sins screwing on your back","this plant judge you for your sins",.They also give you the kill count,that would be absurd if they were giving kill count to themself.They even says that Frisk and themself are "partners",which indicate that they work together. So they only take over in some instances during this run.

8.Chara doesnt want Frisk to do the pacifist run to destroy humanity "Another path would be better suited" Theres no evidences that they are specifically talking about the pacifist run rather than any run neutral runs included.They also dont interfer in any souless neutral ending while they reach the surface in all of them as Frisk does as nothing implies that anything wrong happened.Plus,Chara cant eradicate humanity unless they get a bomb or something?perhaps they want to make a deal with Kim Jong hung lol.And there lot more counter arguments to this theory so.. td;lr Chara doesnt suggest you this run to destrou humanity 