Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-29788596-20160906011125/@comment-30479380-20200218213925

I agree that some points in Determinators' post are based up to assumption. Many things are based on your own interpretation in thie game.

Replying to your points: I recognize that Determinators' assumptions can be interpreted in different ways, and many points could most likely be wrong.

In my interpretation, half-full vs half-empty is a common way of defining optimism and pessimism, supported by the fact that Undertale itself has many real-world relations to ways of speaking or thinking. Yes, you could argue that this is my interpretation, but to be honest, this entire Chara is evil/not evil debate is based off interpretations. There is simply not enough evidence to determine one side as correct or not, and I believe Toby left it that way purposefully to spark debates.

"There's also the assumption that "You remembered something funny" means that CHARA thinks it's funny. It could also mean that Frisk thinks it's funny, and Chara narrated that."

However, this is made to support a fact that Chara becomes sadistic after killing many people. There is sufficient evidence to support this. For example, Sans states that you are pretending to be a human. Asgore no longer sees the light in Frisk's eyes that resembles them to Chara, etc, etc.

"Not only that, the "what kind of monster are you" is almost certainly in reference to FRISK, yet the Determinator post pretty much takes for granted that it's CHARA who has changed, and not Frisk."

Asgore is reminded of Chara when he sees Frisk. In genocide, Determinators' is assuming that whatever reminded Asgore of Chara: namely, that stated light in Frisk's eyes - is no longer present, causing corruption. The point that only Chara has been corrupted is Determinators' post is untrue. I agree with that, and you make a good argument for it.

Adressing your point that Flowey was once a compassionate flower. It's stated in the game that monster souls are consisted mainly of compassion. However, Flowey is soulless. There is no possible way he could be compassionate. Every action he did was to see the different possible outcomes, similar to some players.

"Why was I brought back to life? You. With your guidance, I realized the purpose of my reincarnation."

I agree that this can be interpreted multiple ways, and so I won't use this as a point since that's another heavy debate.

I agree with most of your points, but I stick to the idea that Chara is not evil. I personally believe that as with many other theory posts, Determinators' post is definitely not perfect, but the important points are based off ingame evidence or heavily supported assumptions.