Board Thread:Fun and Games/@comment-30829949-20161111084235/@comment-27701762-20161130051508

LunaticStarLight wrote: Green soul- Undyne never met a human before, true. But maybe someone else killed a human and gave the power to Undyne? Maybe Gerson, because he was head of the Royal Guard before Undyne. And as for the green attacks, kindness=healing.

This still isn't making sense. If Gerson had indeed killed a human, there would be some hint of it in his dialogue. Or in the dialogue about him. But no such mention is ever made. In fact, there is not even any indication that Gerson actually taught Undyne, since Undyne specifically says that she learned everything from Asgore, and simply followed Gerson around when she was younger and tried to help him beat up "bad guys."

Likewise, if the green soul is specifically tied to the green attack, then the specific connection being made makes even less sense, since there is no indication that Gerson taught anyone any special techniques.

Yellow: Remember, Alphys doesn't really use the yellow soul attacks in her battle, just activates it in Mettaton's. And that, too, was activated with the phone. So maybe when Mettaton was still a ghost (Happstablook), he killed the yellow human, got their soul, and shared it to Alphys, who installed it in the phone. Again, this explanation doesn't make sense. The entire reason that Alphys and Mettaton meet is because Mettaton had started a "Human Fanclub." There is absolutely no reason for someone who has killed a human to start a fan club over them.

Light blue and Orange: I'm thinking that those two children are the only ones (well, aside from Frisk) who made it up to Asgore. And since nobody except the player made it past Asgore, they were killed. And again, soul power can be distributed, which explains the lazers, Pyrope, and the Canine unit in Snowdin. But these explanations aren't needed. The various forms of attack (green, blue, orange) all stem from the magic of the monsters involved, and there is no reason that monsters cannot simply manipulate their magic to have different effects. Not to mention that in a few cases the color of the magic is just a design element or a shorthand for some other action, such as with Woshua's soap attack, getting close to Tsunderplane, and cleaning RG02's armor (blue, green, green, respectively, but Woshua's attack still hurts you even when you are still and those two green attacks do not heal you).

Kinda noticed that this conflicts with the iteems the vendors sell... IDK anymore Which should be an indication that there is a major flaw in the theory.

You're absolutely right that there is a thematic connection between the various colors: certain soul colors represent certain qualities, which are displayed in various ways including how one deals with similarly-colored attacks.

But any explanation that tries to claim that monsters receive their power from the human souls (including the multitude of explanations which rely on the various bosses and minibosses having killed particular humans) is fundamentally flawed, as it requires a narrow connection between facts with a healthy helping of speculation without any evidence whatsoever, often flying in the face of dialogue that suggests the exact opposite.

Not only is there no evidence that the specific monsters in question ever killed a human, but all evidence we have points to the exact opposite conclusion that they haven't even met a human before. Getting around this by saying that they just learned those techniques from someone else takes us back to the original problem that there is no evidence that the people they learned the skill from ever killed a human, and in some cases (as with your explanation of Mettaton/Alphys) still is contradicted by the game's dialogue.