Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20190403163405/@comment-26006155-20190423233142

PersonThePerson wrote: Okay, I'm too lazy to type this all up again, so I'll just copy-paste it here:

" Of COURSE Frisk left the barrier. It’s so ridiculously obvious.

In all Neutral routes, after Flowey steals the SOULs (and maybe some other stuff happens too), you find yourself in a room.

This room contains a patch of grass, and a doorway. This room is not any of the rooms with doorways previous. This is where we end up if we do a True Pacifist.

In True Pacifist, you can walk back from this room to the other monsters. This proves that this room is past the barrier.

In some Neutral routes, Flowey doesn’t fight you. But in all Neutral routes, he steals the human SOULs. This is likely what caused Frisk to be propelled across the barrier.

Plus, if you kill Flowey, his flower body is shown in the room you’re in; the room past the barrier. This is how he contacts you after you do Neutral. " I don't recognize which thread this is from, its not from this one..

Actually, we do see this room with a doorway before. It's just like the room Frisk first encounters Flowey in at the beginning of the game. AND just like the room when we encounter Flowey after Toriel before we enter the Underground. AND just like the room where we encounter Flowey again at the end of the game.

Wait.. we also see this room in the MENU SCREEN!

And I was wrong in the script, because we DO see The Second Key room again on neutral runs, it's the room after Asgore's throne room: https://youtu.be/BObcG-AiWt4?t=22831

Ok, so they're saying that the Menu Screen Room must be past the Barrier. But is this really "proven?"

When Asgore shows us the Barrier, there's a long hallway ahead, before he turns around and starts the fight. Isn't there room in this place for The Flowey Room to exist again, before we encounter The Barrier?

I think that the fact that we see Flowey in the Flowey Room on neutral runs when we don't pass the Barrier is proof that this room is right before the Barrier, not after it.