Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-34798955-20180310144518/@comment-34645353-20180315150212

TheHumanAmbassador wrote: "Flowey literally tells you to let Frisk be happy at the end of True Pacifist. So, you are not Frisk. You control Frisk, but you are not Frisk. Flowey was once like the player, but he wasn't controlling anyone (he manipulated, but not physically controlled)."

He was talking to Chara, not us. Only reason why we hear it is because Chara is forever tied to us, aka-The narrator.

"Yes, Chara most likely was showing Asriel that humans were bad, so it was okay to collect their souls. They knew that Asriel wouldn't collect the souls of innocent humans if they did nothing back. I don't think Chara thought they were going to die, and wouldn't have done that if they knew. That was bad, but good people make mistakes."

I don't believe Chara knew they were going to die. I believe Chara knew the humans would attack, and thought Asriel would finally actually listen and kill them. Which was.. wrong. (Not "evil" wrong, but, wrong as in, that's the wrong answer.)

"Chara can't stop you. They can only watch you kill everyone. Until they gain 20 LV, that is, and have more determination. And by then they're corrupted and evil because of what you did to them and the Underground. You can't get Frisk killed because they resurrect."

Well at least don't give us all the stats that'll help us kill everything. Also, they wouldn't become evil because we are. We and Chara would grow more and more distant with each other until they kill us at the end of the Genocide Route, instead of killing Asgore.

"They start helping you because they are turning evil. They realize they can't stop you and, because they are turning evil from your actions, they start helping."

Except.. How does that even work? Why don't they just consider us the evil one, as further proof that humanity is despicable, and NOT turn evil?

"The memory of staying determined is from Chara, when Asgore told them to stay determined while they were dying. You don't really... 'absorb'... their essence. Frisk and Chara are stuck together through determination. But you aare not absorbing Chara. Asriel felt all of the monsters feeling because he literally absorbed their souls. You didn't absorb Chara's soul. Chara tells you to stay determined, on either route, because they want to help. On Genocide because they are turning evil and can't stop you and on True Pacifist because they love the monsters and want to free them, which was their plan all along."

Yeah, things are a lot more complex than that. We actually have each others' essence. This is because Chara knows how we feel as well. Evidence:"You feel like you're going to have a bad time". This is because, as you said, Frisk and Chara are tied together. Also, we get a memory of ASGORE telling Chara to stay  determined. We don't go by Chara. We go by Frisk. Or whatever name OneShow calls you. (Aka:The name you put into your computer profile)

No, we didn't absorb Chara's SOUL. Chara's SOUL is GONE, plus we're a human, and humans can't absorb human SOULs. Of course, since Chara isn't exactly a human anymore, they could still absorb ours, hence the SOUL deal. =)

By the way, the reason why Chara turned evil is probably because of Asriel refusing to kill the humans.

"Chara gained all of that EXP the whole time. It's possible we DID gain EXP from Asgore, but it didn't show since Chara didn't care to inform you, since it wasn't a battle. It just might not had been enough to level us up."

Where'd you get that from? The fact that the stat screen has Chara's name on it? Because, by that reasoning, whenever we get hit, so does Chara.. And that we're somehow protecting Chara by wearing armor?

Chara only gained EXP three times:Sans, Asgore, and Flowey. Or, maybe four, if destroying the world itself nets you EXP for killing Alphys and all the evacuated monsters. Also, it was a battle. Just as much of a battle as Mettaton NEO, Muffet.. And all the bosses save for Undyne and Sans. We don't know for sure if he was talking to Chara. Chara doesn't have the power to reset: we do. I feel like Flowey may have assumed you named the fallen human your name.

Finally something we agree on at this part. I didn't say Chara knew they would die, by the way. I just said that if they knew both of them would die, they wouldn' t have done the plan. I do agree they were wrong, but not evil.

Chara most likely has no soul. They can feel, but not much. This part is mainly a theory, but I think on the True Pacifist route, by sparing monsters, they sort of get their soul back and can feel good emotions, like happiness. However, on a Genocide, they still gain emotions, but bad ones. They only feel malice, depression, and anger. Except they do gain emotions of mercy since at the end, it is our job to kill their best friend. That is literally just a headcanon and I don't know if it is true or not, but it's what I think.

That paragraph above works for both the third and fourth paragraph you said.

Frisk and Chara's essences are connected, probably. They probably do know how you feel. I do feel like Chara chooses on their own to show you a memory. They can't just change their memory to say "Frisk! Stay determined." since that is not how their memory was (unless you change their name to Frisk in the files...).

Already said Chara is soulless but I think they can gain emotions. Yeah, they are a ghost. They can absorb souls so they control Frisk forever after becoming evil.

I don't think Chara became evil after Asriel 'betrayed' them.

Chara can't be hit by attacks because they're a ghost. They can't die or get hurt, but they can gain EXP.