Thread:Halibee/@comment-38493938-20190902173056/@comment-38493938-20200101031346

Halibee wrote: Okeirany wrote:

Halibee wrote: Okeirany wrote:

Halibee wrote: JustinMasterMine wrote: I'm glad I'm not the only one here who's sick of the Undertale Wiki being filled with immature brats arguing about Chara's morality. I bet that if this senseless conflict keeps going, the Undertale Wiki will regress into Hong Kong. Lol, that's for sure. Like, it's one thing if it's a debate, but God forbid you point out a flaw in someone's theory then they'll get on you for it. And they have the nerve to mock you for it! Except you didn't mention a 'flaw in my argument'. You tried to say that Undertale, a game in which the player's actions and direct choices alter the storyline greatly and characters speak directly to the player, and in which the player is a separate entity that still has an impact, can't involve the player in the argument.

For your first rebuttal, I doubt turning away will get rid of sounds. And, it's explicitly stated that Chara only became powerful enough to stop you after you completed the Genocide Route due to their SOUl- and by extension, LV and EXP- being linked with yours.

Secondly, no, Asriel never said that. He that they picked up their own body. Along with that, Chara only told Asriel to use his full power. Why would they be telling him to if they were in control?

Also, your other thing makes zero sense. If they already knew about SOUL merging, they could have easily just killed the entire Dreemurr family by themselves and taken their SOULS as they were Boss Monsters, and then killed all the humans. But they didn't.

And three, no you haven't. That's... not a rebuttal. Well look who it is, the rebel without a clue. And here I thought you decided to grow a brain cell and heed my own words and buzz off. Looks like I was wrong.

Were you taking so long to respond just to come up with this stupid argument? If you did, then I suggest you buzz off somewhere. I swear, people like you get on my nerves. Saying something so stupid and continuing to act stupid even when your arguments are overwritten.

Time to point some things out. Firstly, if Chara was actually trying to stop Frisk, she wouldn't suggest erasing everything. Instead, she would actually kill Frisk.

Secondly, I just told you that Asriel said that Chara picked up her own body, all you're doing is repeating what I'm saying. You really are stupid if you're gonna bring that flimsy excuse into an argument. Since you conveniently forgot what Asriel said about the incident, I'll remind you. Asriel said that he was fighting with Chara for control over his body, so obviously Chara was telling him to let her have full control.

Another stupid flimsy argument, you might wanna stop while you're ahead, you're just embarrassing yourself at this point. If you paid any attention at all to the game, then you'd know that humans CAN'T absorb monster souls.

And three, since I have to explain it, your argument was that everything that happened in the Genocide route was the player's fault. If you're gonna blame everything that happens in a VIDEO GAME on the player, then that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt, that you're an idiot.

IT IS A STUPID VIDEO GAME, A FREAKING VIDEO GAME!!! In other words, IT'S NOT REAL!!! Anything that happens in a game, is the character's fault, not the player! All the player does is advance it by making certain choices and taking certain actions, which leads to different endings.

A video game is supposed to be fun, but YOU people have to turn it into something horrible by making others feel bad about their choices and enjoying themselves. So do me and everyone else a favor and BEAT IT!!! One: Chara does kill Frisk.

Two: Asriel nerver stated that they were fighting for control. There's a convenient wiki with information about that if you'd like to check.

Three: Yes, humans CAN absorb monster SOULs. It's just rarer as only boss monster SOULs remain upon death, meaning that humans can only anbsorb the SOULs of boss monsters.

Four: Yes. It is your fault. The advertisement for the game explicitly states that your choices directly affect the storyline and gameplay. With an interactive game such as Undertale, the player's choices and actions do directly affect the game, thus making the things in the game due to the player's actions. Uh, are YOU the creator of Undertale? Cause, last I checked, the creator of Undertale was Toby Fox. So basically, what you're doing right now is pulling crap out of your butt. Since you're saying things without thinking and for your own convenience, and using flimsy excuses and reasons, like a stupid advertisement, for your pathetic excuse of an argument.

You know, anyone with half a gnat's brain would know when an argument is won. But you, apparently, don't even have that. All you wanna do is argue because you have nothing better to do. How about you grow a brain cell and beat it when I tell you to. Oh, I'm the one who's lost when you can't even come up with a solid rebuttal? I wasn't saying that the ad was canon, I was using it as an example of the fact that Toby- who wrote the ad- meant for the player's actions to directly affect the storyline. Hence the line of "You think you are above consequences?" It's the game itself stating that your actions have consequences. Also, I'm not being rude nor am I insulting you, so I don't know why you are. One of the reasons I particularly wanted to shift your mindest at least a bit is because you insult and degrade anyone who disagrees with you, rather than just having a discussion with them like a regular human being. This was meant to be a discussion, not a contest for you to see how many times you can rehash the same insult to hide the fact that you have nothing new to add to the debate.