Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31371445-20170222233857/@comment-27136653-20180717095120

"No, they just don't say you're a human because that would be the biggest case of being Captain Obvious in Undertale history."

O rly? How come they keep expressing themselves around you as if you were just another monster? I'm pretty sure that's what they're doing. They think you're one of them. After all, monsters come in all shapes and sizes. And by the looks of how some monsters fret their overall situation even in your presence, I doubly think so. Besides, why shouldn't any of them be a "CO" anyways? What makes you think ALL of them would react so calmly to our presence? And lastly, if they knew you're a human, why did none of them alert the authorities, why was Papyrus the first and only one?

"No, you might expect a giant mob coming over, and crying out to kill the human, but not a bunch of monsters coming one by one, saying how you're a human and such."

Because no one expected a human. If a mob came, I would have guessed somebody recognized us. Didn't happen. So maybe, an encounter is necessary to recognize us? Didn't happen either.

"Besides, the flavor text and Toriel's tutorial both imply the monsters are the one that initiate the battle."

I don't know anything about that. All I see is that we sometimes stumble upon lone monsters, or groups of monsters, while waltzing around. Oh and saying the Dogi are the only ones who cannot recognize us makes no sense. They did it with their smell. Plus, they were trained into royal guards. If anyone isn't capable of recognizing us, it is the monsters from the repetitive encounters, who don't say anything at all.

"Yes, they do know. It's just they don't want to be the biggest ever iteration of Captain Obvious."

What I said applies to you too. Try not to repeat yourself. All I'm doing is correcting your assumptions about my statement. Summarize your point into a single paragraph and then reply. Try not to repeat yourself. Or I will lose interest in replying again. Oh and if a bunch of humans saw an ET, they would not keep chatting with one another, I'm positive on that.

"Say it with me:INTELLEGENT. DESIGN."

What's the difference? :P

"I mean, look at all the things about the Earth, all the things that needed to happen for life to form. Almost as if it was fine-tuned, amirite?"

So you're proposing the HUD evolved naturally? That's something we can discuss after we settle on who can observe it and who cannot.

"You mean sends everyone back in time"

That's mostly the saves. I rather meant the battle interface. The saves aren't really that weird, unless we're also counting the starting menu screen. In which case, it's friggin bizarre.

"Making baseless assumptions not mentioned by the game, and then using them to say a simulation is most likely? Really?"

Yeah. Why SHOULD the overworld work like our world? Hmm? If you wanted me to embrace the idea of the existence of the HUD, then you should have known I will try to normalize it across the entirety of the game.

"The last one is NOT the most cheesy one. The mind control and transumation into stats are far more cheesy."

Not really. If we assume all of those are correct for a moment, we will realize that the idea of fonts without a computer to generate them is much weirder than essence editing (the essence is what stores a monster's memories - maybe outright their entire mind even). Because the latter can be explained through magic, while the former is... what exactly? (And if you're about to say magic, then explain how. In the case of essence editing, we can say that the HUD, whatever it is, sends magical signals to modify the magical structure of the essence. What exactly is generating the HUD again? A magical computer? A magical computer where?)

"No, it's an effect of an extra law that exists somewhere."

A (physical) law is something that exists everywhere, unless constraints are specified.

"Also, what are the odds?"

Low. Hence my question. The odds of the HUD evolving are low too for example.

"The very FACT that it's very clear is why they don't point it out!"

Because they're being mind-controlled was my answer to that.

"PS:Undyne remarks about not landing a hit. This is concrete proof they know about dodging. But add in these natural conditions to dodging the slash attack, and you'll see why they didn't just figure THAT one out."

So... we agree that monsters can dodge normally, but cannot when it comes to human attacks? Afaik the HUD only takes one form. So unless you're suggesting visible attacks for a monster HUD, which by the way you have no proof for really, we must assume that the HUD is non-existent for monsters. Which would honestly make more sense because it also seems to be tied to the SLR ability, which is unavailable to monsters.

"You're confusing alternate universes with its fanon definition, which is closer to what we know as parallel universes. Alternate universes don't need to just be other versions of this one where only a few things are different. The very foundational physics can be different as well."

Aye, a type-4 parallel universe you mean. Well, I would agree that such universes may observe different universal constants, but I honestly don't know about a total simultaneity halt. That still seems possible to me only in VR.

"That Frisk and the player, are one and the same."

Which is impossible, unless you're a delusional moron who doesn't know how computers/games work. But okay. Say the UT is canonically a game, and that someone is playing as Frisk in such world. Essentialy, duplicate the idea of a player into the universe itself. So now we're hypothesizing a universe, which may or may not be like our own, in which UT is a computer game. Bravo.

Also, one of the perks of being a player is that you can leave. Can Frisk leave? Is this something you believe is possible for them?

"He had the ability to SAVE and LOAD before, so he can see the HUD, and thus the narrator speaking to Frisk. Also, he doesn't know it's Chara. He wouldn't call Chara a sicko knowing who they are. He just knows there's a narrator."

I was just about to reply, thinking you meant he figured out that Chara is the narrator. Well then, if he didn't, then the final scene clearly wasn't canon to the in-game story.

"That's Flowey's void."

A what.

"Stuff that's not explicitly mentioned by the game and its characters."

Define "not explicitly mentioned by the game." As in, if it's not in the game's window, it's not canon? That would rule out the name of the game changing, but not the Kickstarter backer names for example.

"We lost CONTROL of the HUD. We could still SEE the HUD just fine."

Well it didn't look the same to me. Buttons scattered all over the place was the most meta thing about it. In fact, it was so non-meta, I could just say those buttons were us finding a figurative opportunity window and striking. If this is how the monsters see it, then that only plays towards my theory that they aren't familiar with the invisible blow tactic. Which is even stranger, considering we could see Flowey's attacks just fine. Theory hole?

"if losing the HUD is the same as losing S/L/R, then that confirms that we DIDN'T lose S/L/R"

If cheating a part of the HUD is real, then losing the reset ability but retaining the reload ability is real too.

"In the case of the Froggits, all we had was an F4 button."

But there isn't an F4 button in the game. Only on our keyboards. So, if we want to futher push the idea of everything being canon exactly the way we see it on the screen, then closing the game to reload is canon, which would confirm what I asked above, that Frisk can leave the world. I mean, if we say there is a "reload" button that we just don't see, then what else is there that we don't see, what else differs from our screen versus the in-game world? Could it be... everything about the HUD? I mean, why not? What's the difference, amirite?

"Why can't it be similar to a font from a printing press?"

That too is managed by a program. Computers are like calculators, except you can program them.

"Correct. The easier anseer being that it was ALWAYS a part of the world."

Why does it exist then?

"Never that Gaster was reaponsible for this."

I know that. The part about Gaster wasn't relevant though, my point was about it being created by someone. And Gaster IS responsible for it in GT. You just gotta lurk. Then, you will know all the answers ahead of the time. I won't tell you what happens in episode 6, but it's gonna be intense :>