Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26444418-20161107011103/@comment-27701762-20161107014334

Ugh, this again. A couple of people brought up the "Gaster created Flowey" part of this theory in the True Lab comments section, and so I'm just going to copy and paste some of what I said then here:

That explanation wouldn't make sense, as it suggests that within the span of a few days Gaster wrote several entries (despite the fact that every piece of writing that is supposed to come from him is in Wingdings), then died, then Alphys immediately took over as soon as things started going bad, then stopped making entries so that Sans could record data as soon as things got better (this despite the fact that Sans speaks in lower case, with only a few exceptions), and then Alphys took over again once things started going bad again. Nothing actually suggests that there were that many people working on the project (the entries are always written in the first person, with no mention of any other researchers), or that Gaster was alive during these events.

That particular line [i.e. Lab Entry #8] only says that whoever wrote it knew the flower had grown before the queen left. It does not say that whoever wrote it personally knew the queen. Given that whoever wrote it can identify this particular flower out of a bunch of other yellow flowers, and insists on returning it to Asgore once the experiments are done, the suggestion is that this is not some normal yellow flower. It has a special significance, one that can be explained to others without anyone needing to know the queen personally. Alphys would therefore not need to know Toriel to know that the flower grew before she left.

In contrast, if this theory is right then there should be some reference to multiple people at some point. Instead, not only do we get a single set of entries that are written entirely in first-person singular, but once we turn the power back on Alphys specifically says that Asgore had asked her to study the nature of the SOUL, and that she had isolated a power that she called "determination" (the entry coining that term is written with proper grammar, which by the theory would mean it was written by Gaster). At no point does she mention any other researchers, nor is there any evidence that suggests there were other researchers. Likewise, Alphys is the one who gets all of the letters regarding the missing family members, despite not being the person who had called back the families according to the theory (that would be either a Sans or Gaster entry), and no mention is made about Gaster's death or disappearence, despite the fact that whoever is writing the entries has no qualms with putting personal information into the entries.

The assertions about the timeline are based on a fundamental misunderstanding about the nature of "fallen down." A monster that has "fallen down" will soon perish, but does not perish immediately. Alphys (or whoever was running the experiments, to take the more general case) still refers to the monsters as "comatose," and refers to them "waking up" after being injected. So they are not dead, and the theory relies on that death to compose its timeline. So there is an unspecified span of time between when Shyren's sister fell down and when she was taken to the True Lab. During that span of time Alphys made Mettaton's body and presented Mettaton to Asgore, and was made Royal Scientist (according to one of Gaster's Followers, it took a "long time" for Asgore to appoint another Royal Scientist, so how Alphys could have become the Royal Scientist within a few days and constitute a "long time" is baffling). Given that no mention is made of exactly how long it takes for a monster that has "fallen down" to actually die, it is entirely plausible that Shyren's sister is still alive by the time that Alphys would have begun the experiments.

 A much simpler explanation is that Alphys wrote all of the entries, and the change depends upon her mental state: during the first few entries she is optimistic and writes with proper capitalization and grammar, then as she gets frustrated she lets her writing slip, and as things get better she returns to a more professional style, which then slips again as things get worse.

The theory just doesn't hold water.