Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31981697-20170722123329/@comment-27136653-20170807163450

2.2) Well it certainly wasn't a mistake. I do think there is a reason he didn't put any humans in, but I don't think he wanted to point that out. Maybe he just wanted to raise more questions, or didn't want to include any characters just for the sake of having a background, or just wanted to keep it simple.

3) I don't think that by "enemy" they were addressing the entire monsterkind. Maybe just the last few monsters that actually put up a fight or betrayed them before.

3.1) They don't trust you. They're indifferent about some trust. They just see that you're doing something that makes sense, and so roll along with it.

3.3) We don't call out to them. The only thing that happens is that the following prompt comes up: "Is this name correct?" And that's before the game even starts. And did I say anything about EXP?

3.5) In a way you can say they hate them. Or that they're "fed up" with them. But it's probably not like they just sided with humans again.

3.6) Exactly my point. They didn't correct us. If anything, they corrected themselves, this time saying "but it's not funny". Since Frisk did not laugh this time. So it would be weird if Frisk did laugh the first time also.

3.7) Didn't I suggest something like that already? That Frisk tries to laugh, but it fails? You try to laugh, but it's not funny. You call for help, but nobody came. You don't laugh, you don't get help. And if Flowey thinks he's speaking to Chara, then he must also think that Chara did the killing. Therefore, Chara couldn't have been the passive individual Flowey talked about.

4) https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B6gS2LPXdIc5MUV0eTJfTW53SDA

Or, Flowey might be talking about the player themselves. After all, they aren't having the conversation with the player, but with Chara. Either way, the 4th wall was broken here.

And yes, Sans could have done that, but as I said, it would be redundant. The HUD activating is enough to block our (the player's) vision altogether.

4.1) Yes, I do believe that in the Snowdin forest, Sans does teleport, but it's just that. He can teleport himself and other people. So he probably summons a portal. Still, I think it would be quite difficult to move an entire sentry station through such portal.

Also, https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B6gS2LPXdIc5YTU4MVExdXVSQ0E

Sans has 3 confirmed stations. It seems like the 4th one is "unregistered". After all, he does sell hot dogs in it.

4.2 + 4.3) Whatever Chara calls themselves isn't really important. Asriel calls himself the god of hyperdeath. The important part is, that we're led to believe our name is whatever Chara's name is, before we discover who Chara really is. It is meant to separate us from Frisk. |f the entire game didn't acknowledge this, only Flowey did, then I wouldn't think this way. It's even more apparent when you give Chara your own name, which is what most players do. Then, you realize the human that you're playing as is not you. Either Frisk has a backstory, in which case you're possessing them, or didn't exist prior to falling down (which you've already rejected as a possibility), in which case we ARE roleplaying them. We don't own Frisk, we can't be roleplaying them. Not if the biggest spoiler in the entire game hints at the fact that Frisk is someone else, someone most likely independant of us.

4.6 + 4.7) I don't think Undyne was trying to be kind. She just wanted to kill you fairly, since it wasn't really a personal fight. But maybe, Undyne is kind after all. I know soul modes represent what your soul is supposed to do, but in this case, Undyne's behavior might have reflected onto your soul.

4.8 + 4.9) Ok. That makes sense. But only if you acknowledge the fact that the HUD is canon, and so are all the 4th-wall breaking moments, including the dog programming the game. If you say that that's a paradoxical nonsense, then I can say the same about the HUD.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">4.10) I never said that. The game doesn't take place in 201X. The events of that year take place in that year. And X is an obfuscation, not a digit. Of course it can be a human date. Besides, you've already rejected the posibility of it being in the dozenal format.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">And how can you say the game takes place in 2025? It's been at LEAST a hundred years since 201X, and since back then they already had tape videocameras. And I guess the surface in 201X was in that time period when everyone started to throw those devices out. That just a few years back for us. The game takes place at least in 2100 or further.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">4.11) I'm not gonna comment on that. The inability of someone to do anything but avoid attacks during that phase is absurd. Unless the Undertale universe is that retarded.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">4.13) Well then, the box isn't Frisk. It simply restricts their movement.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">4.14) First, Chara comments that you're filled with determination, and then the save file window opens up. There are no comments in New Home.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">5) They have a name. If they have a name, someone named them. Probably their parents or whoever took care of them before they arrived at the mountain. Meaning they did not just appear out of thin air, which would be impossible anyways.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">5.1) Interesting, the same sound and effect happens when you enter Sans's room, just before Papyrus turns on the lights. It makes me think that if these two events are the same thing, then they're just for effect. But if they aren't, then only this one is, and Sans doing that is still him turning on the HUD and fleeing. I still don't understand how he would block Frisk's vision completely. I can understand that he perhaps blocked ours, but since you keep insisting that we're Frisk, then I don't see a plausible way of him making literally everything go dark.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">Besides, as I've already mentioned, Frisk can't see behind themselves, but we can see behind Frisk, so we aren't Frisk. We are, as you said, roleplaying as them, but we can't be them. We are watching the game from a 3rd person view, not from a 1st person. So if Sans makes Frisk go blind, it shouldn't make us go blind. I think he messed with us directly instead.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">6) That's not my point. You asked why couldn't they play on the surface, and I answered that before the 2nd route, the idea of breaking the barrier without killing Frisk was absurd. Frisk could only leave the underground by taking Asgore's soul, as Alphys mentioned, and Flowey prevented that because he wanted to keep Frisk around.