Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-34798955-20180310144518/@comment-34645353-20180316002716

TheHumanAmbassador wrote: "We don't know for sure if he was talking to Chara. Chara doesn't have the power to reset: we do. I feel like Flowey may have assumed you named the fallen human your name."

Flowey didn't even know Frisk and Chara were different until the end of True Pacfist. How do you think he figured out our existence? Also, why doesn't Sans know this? Or, if he does, why doesn't he just hack the code to make himself invincible in his fight?

"Finally something we agree on at this part. I didn't say Chara knew they would die, by the way. I just said that if they knew both of them would die, they wouldn' t have done the plan. I do agree they were wrong, but not evil."

I was clarfying I didn't believe that Chara knew they'd did either, as you seemed to think I did. But yes, we both agree here. Guess we can end this part of it.

Time to analyse the next part sentence by sentence..

"Chara most likely has no soul."

Correct.

"They can feel, but not much."

They feel NOTHING. Well, technically, they don't feel love. They're like Flowey.

"This part is mainly a theory, but I think on the True Pacifist route, by sparing monsters, they sort of get their soul back and can feel good emotions, like happiness."

It's not even a theory, it's impossible based on the physical laws established by Undertale's world. Chara's SOUL shatered. It doesn't exist anymore.

"However, on a Genocide, they still gain emotions, but bad ones. They only feel malice, depression, and anger."

They had those to begin with, just like Flowey!

"Except they do gain emotions of mercy since at the end, it is our job to kill their best friend."

No, that's Chara. Pressing Z is used to advance through dialouge. We advanced the cutscene. That was a Chara kill.

"Frisk and Chara's essences are connected, probably. They probably do know how you feel."

Glad we can agree there.

"I do feel like Chara chooses on their own to show you a memory. They can't just change their memory to say "Frisk! Stay determined." since that is not how their memory was (unless you change their name to Frisk in the files...)."

Of course they can't. I'm saying they aren't giving it to you, at all, but, since both Frisk and Chara know how each other feels, Frisk can just get Chara's memories and read them like their own. This is why they dream of Asriel finding them, the intro of Chara falling, and in Toriel's house, Asgore saying Chara's the future of humans and mobsters.

"Already said Chara is soulless but I think they can gain emotions."

SOULless people can't feel love. Flowey tried pretty much every way that could be done.

"Chara can't be hit by attacks because they're a ghost. They can't die or get hurt, but they can gain EXP."

Doesn't change the fact that it's a battle. Just because you can't lose doesn't mean it's no battle. I mean, it's impossible to get hit by Mettaton NEO, amd he dies in one hit. But that counts. How does Chara know the player? I think it might be determination. Sans doesn't have a determined soul (I actually consider his soul patience), and Chara and Flowey have determination.

Agreed on this and next one.

They don't feel anything except horrible emotions, like anger and stuff.

I'm not even sure what happened to their soul. Think about it: Asriel absorbed their soul, and then his soul shattered. I don't think their soul broke, but disappeared. Like Gaster. But it wasn't completely gone.

Okay. I think they gain malice, or just 'evilness', during the course of the genocide run. But it is shown that soulless creatures can gain emotions. When Flowey is telling you his story on the Genocide run, he starts to feel afraid. That is an emotion he hasn't felt before obviously, since he seems confused on why he is shaking.

We push Z to make it happen. We make Chara do it. Chara doesn't kill Asriel on their own. And I know what you're going to say, "Chara didn't have to listen." But they did. As the player, we can control certain people. Frisk and, at the end, Chara, until they gain enough LV to take you out of control.

More agreeing.

Honestly, arguing about this when there is minimal evidence of either theory is pointless. There really isn't enough evidence to prove or disprove that Chara gives you their memory or not.

If Flowey can turn into Asriel and feel emotions, who is to say Chara can't get emotions once they are at peace?

It is a battle, a battle where Chara can't get hurt. A battle where Chara isn't the one battling but still gains EXP (that is until they kill Sans and Asgore). Mettaton NEO is a battle. Genocide Asgore fight is a battle.

Also, this is off-topic but I just found out Undertale is coming to the Nintendo Switch! :3