Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26905610-20160225224529/@comment-26905610-20160226133959

Mabian wrote: The reason I asked for more direct information on the attack power is because I actually did a quick search on r/Underminers for the claim you made, and did not turn up anything. Nor is there any such information to my recollection on the Wikia, and presumably such information would be here. I should also add that I am not confusing this with the battle with Toriel. No attack from Asgore will drop you from more than 1 HP down to 0. Meaning that if you have 2 HP, the next hit you take will drop you down to 1 HP, even if the attack normally does 5 damage.

I hope I don't get banned for this or anything, but here is the page where I saw it.

https://tcrf.net/Undertale/Debug_Mode#Asgore

(IMPORTANT: the method for turning on debug mode found there is outdated and will not work, this is the only reason why I'm posting the link)

But as I said, not really that important...

I didn't understand what you mean earlier, but it's true. Literally, no attack from him will bring you from more than 1 hp to 0 lol... This is odd really, but it cannot be considered mercy since he goes on to kill you anyway. Toriel will make her attacks impossible to hit if you are one hit from death at the beginning of her turn, so it's really not the same. I even had some trouble trying to die in the battle against her actually, and she makes a horrified expression.

Mabian wrote: What really prompted me is the misrepresentation. You're trying to paint Asgore as a sort of character who is at once bloodthirsty and cowardly (admittedly, in two completely different routes). You only describe two actions (he attacks Frisk in one route, tries to reason with Frisk in another), and denounce Asgore over those two responses, while making no mention of the complex set of factors that lead up to those responses. Which, at the very least, gives off the implication (correct or not) that you are dismissing or ignoring very important contextual information about Asgore's character.

I'm not. When I reached him the first time, you have no idea how much I did not want to fight him, not because I was going for the true pacifist but because I wanted so much to befriend and give a happy ending to someone who suffered injustly so much for so long. Seriously, if not for Sans, his would be my longest battle by far in the game, because I couldn't bring myself to hit him. It was only after looking up on the internet that I was supposed to spare him after the battle that I finally completed the game, or I don't know if I would, because I would feel terrible killing him at that point. The nice king whose subjects where ambushed and slaughtered, the caring father who adopted a kid from the race responsible for ruining their lives and had his other child beaten to death while trying to honor the last wish of their sibling... I have to kill this guy? No way!

But as I kept playing, learning the story, connecting the dots and finally facing him as Chara I ended up deeply disappointed with this guy. No other character had my sympathy like him, so I guess that's why my judgement on him is so harsh.

I don't know if I'm being simplistic, but... I do admit I kinda have the disposition for seeing the world in black and white. However, I try my best to be fair and reasonable.

Mabian wrote: As an aside, I'm not certain if this has come out as sounding angry or antagonistic. I've tried to avoid doing so, but the discussion has raised the vague specter of something unrelated, but which has a resemblance to the discussion at hand, and is something that truly enrages me. I won't go into any details, as it is irrelevant, but let me know if I need to reel it back.

I don't feel antagonized at all. I'm not sure what you mean, but I mean no offense or disrespect, and I apologize if you felt offended by anything I said.

We are here just to have fun, I find all your points valid, so don't feel stressed or forced to go on if you don't feel like it.