Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31371445-20170222233857/@comment-32182236-20180623175026

"But is loading by leaving the game ever addressed in the game? Actually, I think it is. But as I said before, there must be a more sensible explanation for this in-game than us pressing the Esc button. Maybe this action is represented via a RELOAD button or something. But alright, we can load during the final fight with Asriel."

Which proves we have the most determination, because only those with the most determination can SAVE and/or LOAD. Case closed.

"In the Omega Flowey fight, he saved his own SAVE file, and destroyed our own (or maybe that's what him creating his own SAVE file caused, so maybe it wasn't destroyed, it was just pushed down the save file matrix stack, which would explain why we can go back normally to the game after finishing the Omega Flowey fight)."

Hmm.. Omega Flowey never used File 1, and our in-game file is called "file0".. So maybe..

"Either way, one of those things took the power away from us. In the final fight, Asriel did neither. Maybe that's why we could still go back during it."

Only one person can have the power at a time. Otherwise FLOWEY would be able to SAVE and LOAD when we start the game for the very first time, before SAVing. But he states in the Genocide Run that he tried to LOAD after he failed to kill us. Therefore, we took it away just by existing. Because our determination beat even his! The same would apply here. This is why he has to kill you, and decided to make it so that you can't REACH your file. (Asriel, you're forgetting something.. :3) Why did he try to prevent us from LOADing? Because he knows we can, and would LOAD if we died, making his plan of killing us useless. He wants us to die for REAL.. So that he can just reset everything, which would bring us back to life. (And we'd have to start the whole game over.)

"But why do you keep insisting that 1 > 6? We didn't defeat Asriel, we've convinced him to stop fighting on his own."

That's SOUL power. Not determination. Frisk has just as much SOUL power as 1 human SOUL. Asriel clearly has more SOUL power, and you just proved it. After all, if it was SOUL power that Frisk had more of than Asriel, they could break the barrier themselves! But, no. Frisk has more DT, not more SOUL power. They're two different things.

"And as I mentioned above, the fact that we could go back is not a proof that this is the case, as it simply might be a technicality. I mean, if 1 > 6 was really true, we could go back even during the Omega Flowey fight."

That's why I stated this is ALSO proof that determination can fluctuate. Though, I suppose you could argue that Frisk classically has the DT of one other SOUL color, and then somehow increased their DT by over 500% to beat Asriel, rather than, say, a mere 20% if we say Frisk's DT is naturally close to 6 SOULs.. ..Maybe that's how Alphys had so much DT to make the Amalgamates.. Wait, why aren't these lost SOULs reloading their SAVE files? Why didn't they re-fuse against Asgore?

"I still find such explanation very abstract. I mean, sure, monsters are atuned to their souls. Whatever they do with magic would be expressing themselves, similarly to whatever humans do with their physical bodies is expressing themselves. But I don't think the word here is about a creative expression."

..That's exactly what the definition of "expressing oneself" is, officially, in English. Sure, sure, it doesn't say anything about being creative, but it DOES explicitly say: "to say or show one's thoughts and feelings"-Merriam Webster

So, for that to qualify, they have to show their thoughts and feelings through their spells. Now, can you tell me how a healing spell does that? It's only effect is, well, to heal. Monsters can naturally do it through their bullet patterns, but humans could never conceivably replicate that!

"Similarly to how monsters have a little bit of physical matter, but cannot put it to any meaningful use. Not because they aren't used to it, but because they don't have nearly enough of it to be able to do that."

Um, yes, they can. They can move, they use it to build things. What, they can't SAVE or LOAD? They can't hold a huge amount of determination? Well, yeah, humans have more. And they still have determination. Just not nearly enough to SAVE or LOAD.

"And the same with humans. They may be aware of their soul, feel it even, but can't utilize it, for it has too little free magic inside it, unlike the souls of monsters."

Or, maybe they can, but not nearly as much as the monsters.

"And the question whether the humans can be categorized based on how good they are in using magic is not answered by the game."

So, because the game doesn't explicitly give an answer, every answer must be wrong..? That's not how it works! It means any answer can work, as long as it doesn't contradict other evidence within the game! We're supposed to figure it out on our own, using the evidence we have, eliminate the ones that lead to contradictions, to eventually get to the one answer.

"As I said above, the ancient wizards may mean nothing in the context of the present day in the game."

..Ancient wizards means human wizards are possible. Thus, they can use magic. Laws of physics don't just change randomly-They've remained the same for the entire duration of the universe.

"In fact, all of the human souls are implied to have the same power (after all, they are being used as a metric to state the strength of the barrier), so they all MUST have the same magical potential."

Yes, they do. I compared wizards to a character class, not a sub-race. You can't exactly be a wizard if you didn't study how to use your magic. Unlike monsters, humans aren't naturally attuned to magic-That's not their main trait. (8th trait=White/Magic) Therefore, they have to actually study to use it artificially. They need to LEARN how to summon a fireball, make a barrier, use healing magic-It's not as simply as intending to do it and it happens, unlike monsters, who are MADE of magic, to the point where magic is PART of them, and thus, they naturally control it, as well as we naturally control our bodies. Magic is also a manual process, they have to focus, concentrate, and use it all themselves. If you want to summon an attack, you have to focus to summon it, and aim, then fire.. one at a time. You won't be able to make all these bullet patterns this way. You're stuck with simple spells.

If you want to know whether a certain spell could be performed by a wizard, or a collection of them, ask yourself:Could a human reasonably concentrate on every aspect of the spell, and control it all at once? If they can't, then, well, they can't cast the spell, since they'd have to do said thing. Could a human cast a bullet pattern? No, it'd require concentrating on a large amount of bullet objects at once, and firing them all, at once, in different directions, with great accuracy. That's far above human skill.