Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-32182236-20200127163832/@comment-33883848-20200129121651

"Chara was helping you."

But you said that you were helping Chara with their assumed plan in genocide run.

"Because they COULDN'T."

1. Evidences?

2. I meant when they take Frisk's soul, in the post genocide runs.

"Perhaps Chara thinks we're just better at doing this than they are. But recall that when Chara does take over, Frisk's body becomes like them. When Chara takes over, we see them, not Frisk."

Sorry but this POINTLESS to do that. Why would Chara assume Frisk is better than them at this while Frisk doesn't even knows their so called master plan?

"I mean, Chara literally has the ability to destroy the entire Underground, at least, reducing it to a physical wasteland. With ONE SLASH. For whatever reason, Chara has far more physical power than your typical human.So I wouldn't compare them to your normal human. They have became a demon, after all. Likely the counterpart to the God of Hyperdeath. How Chara managed to achieve this power? I have no idea. But we need some explanation for how Chara erased the world, so even your take has to explain how they erased the world."

Exactly, we don't know how can Chara menage to destroy the world so i won't use this as evidence that Chara magically developed super rainbow powers after their death. There's a logical answer to this, either Chara can hack the game either it's due to their reset abilities( they perhaps erased our save file which erased the world, explaning why we can't return to it anymore). But there's no evidences that Chara have developed the power to physically destroy 7 billions strong individuals, especialy that they never show this kind of power in genocide runs.

"Resets are based on the one with the most determination. And as Flowey proved, determination can exist without a human SOUL. Given that we still have control over resets after selling our SOUL, it's likely that most of our determination lies outside of our SOUL."

Alphys extracted the determination from the souls so it's by evidences in the souls. And Frisk's soul belongs to Chara in the soulless runs. Also the save menu have Chara's name, implying that they can use them. Plus Frisk come back to life after hearing Asgore telling CHARA to stay determined, implying it's Chara's doing. It's very likely that both of them share the reset powers as they share the same soul (though, Chara absorbed Frisk's soul, Frisk is still the soul techincaly since consiosness is in souls)

"However, we can't True Reset in Genocide.. We have to give our SOUL first."

Anyway" Chara menaged to true reset when they get Frisk's soul implying that they can use it, at least with Frisk's soul while they still let Frisk to reset the souless pacifist run despite having Frisk's soul.

"That was actually a test I was attempting to have happen. I really wasn't sure what happened AFTER a Soulless Pacifist, just the taints that happen."

Sure so since there's no hint at what happened, why should we built hundred and hundred of speculations about it, trying to force our opinions onto others?

"Then again, all we see is Chara LAUGHING, and Chara replacing Frisk. (And X'ing out the monsters in the photo). They probably didn't start actually executing their plan yet. So of course everything would be fine. Chara didn't start yet. If Chara did destroy everything, Flowey wouldn't be there."

Then if you assume that Chara haven't done anything yet, why do you assume that they would?. If Chara had a murderous plan and if your interpretation of them is true, Flowey would be their first victim.

"They know how evil Frisk has become, and they have no reason to suspect that Frisk will stop with the monsters."

That still doens't explain the music "But the EARTH refuse to die" when Undyne reborn as Undyne the Undying implying that the whole world is treated.

"Weaknesses are only useful if you want to kill the monster."

Wrong when they point out Aaron weakness, they simply says that his attacks are harder to dodge at the botton of the box, it simply tells Frisk how frisk is supposed to dodge the attacks. Also, you can weaken an enemy without the intention of killing them, it can allow to spare your enemies.

"Just because they tell us we have it doesn't mean they literally spawned it."

They dont tell us that we have this option, just that we have a little power left to save our friends and when they mention it and realize it "but maybe.."the SAVE option appears.

"Though really, Chara doesn't want Asriel to just reset everything. That won't help with the plan. They're a pragmatist.'

Which plan? Where is it stated that they have any plan at this point?

"Considering that the other memories of Chara happened when Frisk went unconscious, for no real reason, it's more likely that Frisk just GETS them from Chara, rather than Chara directly, voluntarily giving them to Frisk."

But we never see Frisk triggering these memories (just pressing the save button) unlike with the rest of the monsters in this fight.