Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31371445-20170222233857/@comment-27136653-20180716043416

Okay, here's something for all of you. I currently have no interest in replying to anything in here. So it's just a lone, brand new statement.

Most of the monsters seem oblivious to the fact that you are, in fact, a human. Only a selected bunch of monsters, mostly the royal guard members, correctly deduce it. If the entire kingdom would be on a hunt for a human soul, I would expect LOTS remarks about it. But no, most monsters keep acting the same upon an encounter. So they truly don't know. And so, if the looks isn't what tells it, then maybe the HUD would, assuming Asgore would tell everyone what to expect from an encounter with a human.

I don't think he told his people what the HUD is without mentioning that it ties to humans (from his experience; he couldn't have known that non-human creatures can acquire it, so he thought it's unique to human combat - at least to the humans that fall down there, so he must have mentioned it in connection with humans that the monsters may encounter, ergo, the monsters would from there on know/think that this is how humans fight). Besides, I don't think he knew nearly enough about it to actually realize that the HUD is its own thing, and not something that is unique to post-201X human souls (assuming the HUD didn't exist in the war times*).

So assuming that, the monsters should have been able to identify you by just fighting you. But that did not happen. Not a single time. So Asgore didn't do any such thing. And so, if the monsters were oblivous to the existence of the HUD, they should have at the very least asked about it, correct? Well, that didn't happen either.

This sufficiently proves that they don't perceive the HUD at all, as if it was clouding their mind and preventing them from reasoning correctly.


 * Unless... the HUD did exist in the war times too. Then, it could have been a part of their folklore. They would know all about it, as in, how only humans seem to have it and how it makes battles go down, and so with that, they should have guessed your identity by just encountering you...

Again, we know that didn't happen. So we have two final answers: the HUD tampers with their minds // the HUD doesn't exist. A cheap cover-up vs. denial. The former would be the weirdest assumption yet and the latter would, apparently, go against Toby's own words? Well... since Undertale only works as a game, it may as well be self-aware like Oneshot or Doki Doki Literature Club. But if we want to turn it into its own universe, then the only sensible explanation for the former WOULD be a simulated reality**. And as for the latter? You can ask me all about that one.


 * You see, you have something that tampers with the continuity of the entire world, that may or may not have always existed, and even intricately modifies everyone's memories so that they would not ask the right questions. If it always existed, then we can extend the idea onto the overworld too. It would be a logical thing to draw. If the HUD was always there, what else was always there? The HUD is literally incompatible with OUR world, so why should that world be like our world, am I right? What if it's just as crazy as the HUD itself? E.g. Frisk doesn't walk off the cliff because something is physically holding them back, collected items turn into pure stats and letters (they are captchalogued, as Homestuck would say), the Froggits speaking of keyboard keys meaning it literally, etc, all of which would even strongly imply the simulation scenario.

On the other hand, say the HUD was created artificially at some point in time and you've got a problem, it collides with the overworld, which should still act like our world. Unless, of course, the creation of the HUD changed it as well. Or perhaps, the fact that it wasn't like our world made it possible to construct the HUD in the first place.

In any case, you can see that the overworld MUST be different from our world no matter what, all because of the HUD. But due to the nature of the HUD, we know exactly how different. Assuming the overworld and the HUD are the same, ergo, their laws agree with one another - they're compatible, then the following must be true for the overworld as well, or at least, possible to construct: selective mind control, selective continuity / mind-related action halt, transmutation of physical matter into non-physical magical "stats", buttons that utilize fonts, etc. The last is probably the most cheesy one.

All of this would be fine on its own, but the HUD is still the biggest hurdle here. Where is it coming from? I don't think the souls are creating it on its own, it's always the same. The only thing the souls appear to be doing is cheating it. So it must have a different source. Is there like a machine powering the entire world into such state? Or perhaps only the underground?

Final question: is the entire underground under a mind control experiment where no one asks any question about this otherwise unnatural (although completely possible) phenomena? I mean, constant explosions in the air are possible in our world and yet, you would probably see people freaking out if they started happening. Same thing here, the HUD might make sense, but is certainly not natural. The monsters are being mind-controlled into thinking it is.

This is my explanation of things if the HUD was a thing. Because the difference between it and the overworld is like night and day, clear even to the biggest idiot. And while the monsters may not see all of it, they would still observe its effects, e.g. turns. But they don't.

I guess Sans is the only w0ke one or something?