Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-28918734-20161210010346/@comment-32182236-20171028140155

No, they wouldn't have. They wouldn't be able to. It's time for us to talk about SOULS and control.

During Omega Flowey's fight, Flowey used the power of the SOULs for his own sake, and even could use their SAVEs. He had full control. But how could that be taken away?

You see, we actually have an example where we know for a fact who controlled what-Asriel Dreemur's case. In this scenario, Chara had control most of the time, despite the fact that Asriel is the one who absorbed Chara, so it IS possible, and it seems like I argued against my case. But let's take a look at another example, ANOTHER case of Asriel Dreemur-Where he absorbs the SOULs of nearly every monster in the entire Underground, PLUS the monsters.

Nobody could fight back. The humans couldn't, and not even the very monsters who were friends with you could-Their states went back to before you met them. Undyne's back to hating humans. Alphys is back to nervously wanting to lie. The SOULs are lost. But Toriel still attacks you... That doesn't fit pre-SAVing Toriel, as Toriel never actually wanted to kill you-Get low on health, and she misses on purpose. The fight was also only to stop you from leaving the RUINS, you already left. Toriel's clearly ALSO under Asriel's control here, and she isn't fighting back.

YOU, however, can SAVE the monsters, and restore them to normal, where they now cheer you on instead of fight you-Just as you call out to the humans in the Omega Flowey battle, and get THEM to break free.

So, the rules so far seem to be:Absorbed SOULs are under the control of the absorber, but can be broken free... By what? Well, that's where we go back to the Asriel+Chara scenario.

We all know Chara has the red SOUL, and so does Frisk. And only Chara and Frisk were able to break anyone free from the absorber's control-It was Asriel that absorbed Chara, after all. So, what's required to break free from someone's control like that is the red SOUL of determination-That gives you the power to change fate, to fight and win an impossible battle (Undyne literally brings herself back to LIFE from determination.) From how powerful determination has been, how farfetched would it be to say that it can also break you and theirs out of control, and allow you to fight back against the one who absorbed you?