Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31371445-20170222233857/@comment-28517148-20171226112716

It's the only type of an obstacle where soul modes/traits are involved. The point is I always perceived those "traits" as emotions/emotional states that are shaping attitude and behavior, like kindness that means being kind to others. After all, all those humans have choice to make Genocide or to stay Pacifist, they can choose between [Fight] or [Mercy], between [Erase] or [Do Not]. To overcome these obstacles is required something more than "fighting styles" represented by Soul Modes. But this is my way of thinking. ''Also, that line that Flowey muttered, it doesn't prove that Frisk was more determined than the other humans. It only proves that they're more determined than Flowey.'' That's what I have said: Frisk is remarkably Determined - Your DETERMINATION! Somehow, it's even greater than mine! Not only those related, it lists all possible ones. I can agree with that. It makes things easier. Also, there are no mentions about any other traits anyway. ''I know that there's no mention of a human essence existing. However, it is the only way to explain Chara.'' Are you sure about using unproved argumentation to explain things, because I'm not. it begins only after the first kill I have to disagree. Genocide starts much earlier than you think. It starts with a thought - decision to kill is always first while the act of killing takes place after it.

But it WOULD be able to absorb an essence, as nothing is saying it wouldn't. Everything which is not forbidden is allowed. That's a pretty thing. May use it as well?

''Chara's soul couldn't have survived, because Frisk's soul wouldn't be able to absorb it, since there's a condition if you remember, that a human cannot absorb a human soul. But it WOULD be able to absorb an essence, as nothing is saying it wouldn't.'' I know. Since "human essence" concept is unsubstantiated and has no basis in the game (even you're admitting it: I know that there's no mention of a human essence existing), the survival of Chara's Soul supported by its nature described by the game (Its power allows it to persist outside the human body) is the only reasonable explanation. In addition, it proves that Frisk having Chara's Soul obviously cannot be human: a human cannot absorb a human SOUL - Entry #7. To sum up: we have not only canoncal explanation what have happiend to Chara, but also consistent with canon conclusion that Frisk isn't a human as a bonus.

Chara was with us all the time as they say: "That feeling, that's me" - they've been with us all the time, so they must have also been with us without their soul. That's correct. They have been with Us all the time - ''Greetings. I am [Playername]''.

If Chara's soul survived, Asgore would have utilized it. Since Chara's Soul survival is proper explanation compatible with canon, monsters should find that Soul in the castle, where Asriel died. However, they somehow didn't. That's one preety plot hole. The hole people will try to cover with unproven concept of "human essence", because canon doesn't describe how Chara ended with Frisk and offer anything else but Soul's nature to figure it out.

''Do you know why I'm being so rude? (...) I've been digging into this, engaging in discussions for quite some time now, and debating whether Chara's soul...'' Maybe you should take a break? It is only a game.

''I am baffled by your lack of knowledge of the lore... All I'm saying, is that the proof of human essences existing is there, in the game... I know that there's no mention of a human essence existing.''