Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31981697-20170722123329/@comment-27136653-20170903211804

1) And yet he gave all those souls away. And even if not, then you still gotta explain the infinite health thing.

2) You must stop taking things so literally. By "internet", Toby meant just the sites that he goes on, and the thing about all bad posts on the internet being caused by the dog is just a self-deprecating joke. There is no doubt that the dog is Toby, therefore that makes the room non-canon. It's not just any random dog, it IS supposed to represent Toby. Therefore that makes the room non-canon. So  what is right? The developer implying that certain things are a nonsense for the sake of being a nonsense, or an explanation that goes against the developer's own words, claiming to be "fixing" the nonsense?

What is right according to you? Canon nonsense, or a non-canon logic? I know that that specific dog represents Toby, so the room cannot be canon.

3) The discs are a mixing tool. Sure, they might be an "outdated" concept, but they're used for an entirely different purpose. They already ARE digitalized. They're just used to warp the sound. And no, a simple lever or a button won't do. A disc is a classic DJ tool, just like drum pads, and it's not going anywhere. Just like a grand piano didn't go anywhere.

4) When you re-enter the game: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B6gS2LPXdIc5a2YzTzA4aEl4R1U

Obviously, a joystick is a gaming tool, so that menu screen cannot be "canon", unless you say the world is canonically a game. So then the question is, what else is not canon?

5) Because it's a spoiler. There's no game if everything is spoiled to you right away.

6 + first half of 8) Maybe the HUD is real, though it doesn't probably look the same to Frisk as it does to us, unless we acknowledge that it is artificially made (perhaps by Gaster). Then, it would be more believeable that rectangular shapes and letters, something so unnatural, can naturally pop up.

And I could believe that we have to name Chara since the "system" "forgot" their name. But you yet have to convince me that giving Chara a name is canon in the first place. Their name is supposed to be unspecified, suited for the player. Toby made it vague so that it would suit the players, not because there was some deeper meaning behind it, such as the system forgetting their name. The "system" only labels monsters during a battle, nothing more. It doesn't actually change their names. And yes, naming Chara does change their name, but that's because Undertale is a game. There is no proof that it was Frisk's doing. We didn't even see Frisk's soul during that moment. So how can you say it is canon?

second half of 8) About your explanation of hard mode, Toriel made a snail pie, because the other one was "hard". And Chara is still with us, so they still died and someone buried them below the bed of the golden flowers. And since the golden flowers are there, it means that Chara and Asriel still went with their plan to go out (or perhaps it wasn't Asriel - but either way, Chara died, and was covered with golden flower seeds). Those flowers couldn't have gotten there through the hole. If that was the case, they would already be there when Chara fell. The hole was probably there for thousands of years, before the barrier was even erected. So, what if there's no explanation, and hard mode is just... hard mode? Perhaps the reason why there are stronger monsters is because they've always been there? And during "normal mode", they've never been there. Why? Well, that's the same as asking, why does the timeline change (fun values) upon each reset? In that case, a change is dependant on the reset event, and in this case, a change is dependant on your choice of name.

These conditions are a result of a choice, no matter whether that choice was made by someone in the canon universe, or by us, the player. Undertale is a game. Some things simply don't make sense.

9) PS4 version doesn't crash, so it's just for an effect. It can't be canon. And my explanation for Flowey remembering stuff across resets is that he has high determination. After all, he's not the only one that "remembers". Plenty of characters remember, although only vaguely.

11) Almost all of monsterkind. And no, determination and soul power are proportional. Alphys said that the barrier is made out of soul power, so she didn't realize anything, but human souls made the barrier, and human souls are strong because of determination. Monster souls are weak in comparison, as they have much less determination compared to the human souls. Determination IS soul power, since it dictates a soul's strength. Soul power is the power of the soul. So unless there's some unseen force, it's safe to say that determination is soul power.

12) Asgore said they will collect 7 human souls. This is what got Toriel mad. And he didn't just say it, he gave the orders, he acted accordingly.

13) Because you can cry out of laughter too. Hypotalamus is unable to recognize between sadness and joy. And do NOT say that Frisk's hypotalamus works differently. That's not how you disprove something.

14) Please provide me with a proof then. And Flowey doesn't have to be speaking to let's play viewers, just to the potential audience, that is, the player. Since I have no proof that Flowey knows about the narrator, I just take that line as just another joke from Toby.

<p style="font-weight:normal;">15) Yes, I said that, but I actually believe that he blinded the player, since I don't believe the battle interface is canon.