Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-27581425-20170619123421/@comment-32335103-20170625235812

Yeah, now that I think about it, The Ruins are closed off. So for Asgore to have access would mean they weren’t closed at that time. So, Patience being the first is the most probable.

Does this mean that the Omega Flowey apparition order could be true then?

I'm still a little skeptical about the order being based on the apparition of the objects though. What I’m trying to say is that the objects could have been moved. Some characters sell them even? Even if they weren’t moved, this it is still kind of random. Asgore movements cannot be predicted so…

Bravery could be the 2nd human but... I think you have to be really unlucky to have encountered Asgore so early in your journey. Justice could be 2nd too and had been lucky enough not to meet Asgore until they reached Hotland.

Maybe there are another hints we can find about this we hadn't notice in the game? Like what Toriel said but from other characters? :v