Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26173722-20180625135942/@comment-33883848-20190911154024

"Determination is described as an actual substance; a power that allows Human souls to persist after death. That's how Alphys is able to extract it from the human soul and inject into monsters and plants."

Yes it allow them to persist and if they dont have dt they dont,which is why Chara's soul was gone with Asriel's.AND if it was combined with Asri's soul as Asriel states:

"when Chara and i combined our souls together"

why Asriel's soul was destroyed while Chara's wasn't?As i said,Chara's soul was combined with a monster soul,which is why it did not persist

"Determination, in this context, is not a feeling. A soul losing the "will the live" and just shattering isn't ever brought up as something that can happen in the canon."

A soul is the "culmination of your being"as stated many times.And monsters souls do prove that they can loose the will to live when tbey dies and thus do not persist.And Frisk's soul shatter too when they die.

And yeah it been never stated that Frisk is Chara aswell

"It's possible Sans is actually a human in disquise. We can go through possibilities all day, let's talk about what's actually probable and has evidence behind it."

Sorry but its like NEVER stated that Frisk is Chara,even Asriel says that Frisk and Chara are diffetent people.Frisk's fall is said to be broken by the golden flowers while Chara's fall wasnt etc...

"Is there any evidence to suggest Chara lost the will to live in that moment. Would their plan failing even be enough to cause that?"

Is there any evidence that Frisk is Chara??No.So did you brought it up at all?

" If souls are dependant on the will of their host, doesn't that mean all suicidal people in this universe could become soulless?"

WTF ??I never said that.

"I've already gone over how I think Frisk isn't human."

So according to you is far fetched to claim that Chara lost their dt when they died rather than claimning that a kid who look like a human,has a human soul and is refered to as human by every single characte is not?

"If you want to use Frisk as an example you're going to have to prove to me they are human."

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"Yes, but what does that mean? Does that mean they fused together, becoming one soul? Or does it mean they cobined their powers in one body?"

Asriel does not say that they combined their soul ,he says that their souls were combined.Thus if Chara's soul persists than Asriel's soul should to

"I think the latter is much more likely, as when Flowey absorbed souls, none of the souls fused together they all remained seperate and I think that's also the case with Chara and Asriel."

Sure but when Asriel absorb all monster souls and the 6 human souls they becomes one ,Asriel's soul as confirmed by the narration.

"You see this that a lot differently than I do.

As Frisk becomes more murderous Chara's power grows over them as evident by the line:

"HP. ATK. DEF. GOLD. EXP. LV. Every time a number increases, that feeling... That's me."

Chara is possessing them. Frisk didn't make Chara attached to them by awakening them, Chara put themselves in Frisk's body."

This line speak for itself

"Your power awakened me from death"

Frisk's power/dt AWAKENED Chara from death,they did not choose Frisk body.Plus again it's said that humans cant absorb human souls so thag must mean that Chara is not a human soul.And if they were a soul,they wouldnt ask for "your" soul at all and couldnt absorb your "human soul"

"Your soul resonates with a strange feeling"

"I don't think you understand the mind of a grieving parent."

So you're a pshocological profesional or what ? Where is that said that Asgore refused to use Chara's soul because he was in grief ?? And pretty sure that he would prefer to use their soul rather than killing Frisk to free his people considering how much he hesitate.I dont ubderstand why he would refuse to use Chara's soul once rather than killing another child