Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31981697-20170722123329/@comment-32182236-20171023002228

"So where did people get the idea that the dog represents Toby from?"

They made it up. Or just took Toby's tweets as canon, despite the fact he said they aren't. But, considering that they're non-canon, it's just as good as it being completely made-up. They pulled it out of thin air.

Paradoxes aren't puny. They are a clear sign that we did SOMETHING wrong. For example, there exists a proof that 2=1, but it requires dividing by zero. Since 2=1 is a paradox, it can actually serve as proof that you can't divide by zero. (Specifically, it involves variables "a" and "b" to be equal to each other, and factoring a^2-b^2 vs ab-b^2, then dividing both sides by a-b, which is zero.) Paradoxes is how we discovered quantum mechanics, the only way to explain the results of the electron double-slit experiment. They're a big deal, and THE main goal is to explain all the evidence while avoiding ANY paradoxes-They serve as proof the theory is wrong, unless they can be properly explained, in which case they stop being paradoxes. Perhaps you can give the dog paradox a try? Remember, this entire discussion came about because you argued there is no way to properly explain all of Undertale, and that we can blatanly disregard evidence as a result of that. I'm here to argue that we can't, and hopefully return to the red=determination (Or doesn't) discussion after we both agree on the methods of doing so-It's easier to do real discussion on the game when we're not both convinced the other party is using bad logic, and completely missing the way we look for evidence.

Also, I give Guzusuru no credit for any code except SOME of the animation code. If he coded more, Toby would have said so. The point being that the mere fact that Guzusuru helped with the animating process implies he did indeed code... by doing the animation process, and nothing more. I was simply using the fact that you can't have animation without code as my basis here.

Also, like I said before, we can't call actual events in the games jokes, just as we can't call the empirical evidence we see around us jokes. Because that's what the game IS. Empirical evidence on what it's like. In Undertale's canon, the dog made it accidentally... Which probably means the game was terrible. (Like, E.T. terrible, if not worse.) And that's just it-The DOG programmed a WHOLE game. The entire thing. Every single line. Therefore, nobody else could have added a single line.

Also, I do not consider the line a lie, I consider it as proof the game in question is not Undertale. It would only be a lie if the game in question WAS Undertale-My case is it isn't. Guzusuru didn't help with the game that the annoying dog accidentally made-Toby has no obligation to give Guzusuru credit for something he didn't do. So I find Toby Fox not guilty.