Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31371445-20170222233857/@comment-27136653-20180716124739

"Why should they remark on identifying you? It would serve no purpose whatsoever."

A human is a rare sight. At least their behavior should have changed. A slight shock perhaps, at the very least. But not a single non royal guard monster mentioned anything. Quite weird for a society that is on a hunt for human souls.

"They clearly know how to attack and make obsticals using it, and, again, like seven or eight (including Muffet) characters prove both that the HUD is an actual thing, and that knowledge of it is commonplace."

Flowey easily disproves this. We know how it looks when you're not in control of the timeline - there is no HUD. Which means it's unique to high-DT creatures, so naturally, not everyone should be familiar with it. I don't imagine that every single monster in the underground is familiar with human encounters. So in short, no, it's not commonplace at all.

1) Flowey naturally knows about it. 2) Virtually anyone's remarks about sparing or fighting could translate to our definitions of such. That you fight someone, or decide to have mercy on them. Not that you literally press the buttons. A similar case goes for Asgore telling Chara on their deathbed to "stay determined". He couldn't have known about DT, or at least, that this was the substance's name, as it was Alphys who first called it so, according to her own words. If a name already existed, she wouldn't say she "named" it. 3) Sans indeed is the woke one. 4) The battle rectangle and soul modes indeed are peculiar, but then again, the HUD is unique to beings in control of the timeline. The monsters should not have been familiar with it at all. 5) Asgore knows about the positions of the buttons, yes, so I'd argue he too is running in this woke thingy. He and Sans are like Neo and Morpheus. 6) And Gerson would be Trinity.

"An assumption with no evidence versus a statement disproven by the game itself."

Indeed. Quite a bit of a pickle we have here, isn't it? You know what I think? I think the fact that the two of our best explanations for this game are both horrible is a proof of this game's poor logistic design.

"We've been telling you how it works as a universe of its own repeatedly."

And I've been telling you to stop feeling me your stupid head canon. Fair enough?

"Why do I have to keep telling you the basic concept of an AU?"

If this is an AU, then what's the real deal? What is this universe alternative to, according to you? And don't say this one. If I know one thing, it's that no universe, no matter how alternative to our own, will have something even remotely similar to the HUD. UT is a game, not a sci-fi simulator. And besides, this game has made one fatal mistake. It's trying to refer to us, the players, while masking it like talking to Frisk. This backfired massively. Look at Oneshot for comparison. No problem there. I wonder why. So again, tell me, what is this game pretenting to be? It's own universe, or a meta tour? I have noted many times already how many things in this game would make more sense if they were actually meta, as in, the characters speaking to the player, instead to Frisk. But alright, it's a universe, let's embrace the idea. How did Flowey know about Chara? What WERE those scenes when he speaks in a seemingly empty black space all about? And most importantly, how is it supposed to be a brimming universe, if we're supposed to take everything so literally? It's a game, and we always knew that we shouldn't take the stuff we see on the screen literally when it comes to games. So what shouldn't we take literally with Undertale then, if this is not the case?

"No, that is straight up fanon."

Yeah, that's the HUD dilemma for ya.

"From what we can get from the game, the HUD and S/L/R Ability are two distinctly separate things."

How so? When we lost the ability to save because of Flowey, we also lost the HUD. I reckon the two are the same. The buttons have the same color, it all has the same themes.

"This! FINALLY! EVIDENCE! IT'S ABOUT TIME!"

If I should be honest, I think the Froggits are a definitive proof that there is no "Undertale universe", and that the game is actually self-aware. So for example, Flowey speaking at the end of the game about resetting was doing it at us, not at Frisk. Since many players tend to name the character they're role-playing with their own name or a nick, so they would see themselves in that name. And Flowey mentioned precisely that name. And the same for the genocide route, where he called out the YouTube viewers.

"How is the last one the "most cheesy one"?"

Font = program + screen = computer + projector = simulation.

"First: Where did that machine come from? Who built it? How did they build it? Why did they build it?"

Exactly. Those are the correct questions. And if we don't have an answer to them, we may as well look for an easier answer.

"Second: Why do you keep reiterating the same question, and acting like it's a completely new one? It's a natural law and principle of the world, like gravity, or the wind."

I'm doing it for myself, not for you. So that I don't lose my marbles over here.

"At least Glitchtale actually uses proof and evidence from the game to explain its world."

Glitchtale is literally what I just said. That the world used to be normal, but that Gaster modified it with some machine so that it behaves like a game. Here you go, this happened yesterday: https://puu.sh/AXjup/71c5157555.png

Glitchtale is built on fanon. Gaster the father of S and P, Chara hate, red soul OP determination, human trait magical weapons, save Asriel with 7 traits, the list goes on.

"What exactly implies that they don't?"

You have asked that question as well as many others many times throughout your reply. Save yourself some trouble and don't reply to the things you've already replied to. It makes your responses shorter and less of a pain to sift through.

"No, he's just the only one who researched it enough to discover that monsters can dodge too."

Dodging should be a very basic thing. What if the monsters of Snowdin had a snowball fight for example? Wouldn't they be able to dodge those? If you're telling me one needs to do "research" in this universe in order to be able to dodge, you may as well tell me to embrace the idea of the meta being fully canon and the game being self-aware.