Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-34762984-20180927183143/@comment-34762984-20180928130544

TheHumanAmbassador wrote: But first.. I'll have to add some stuff to my second part. Turns out I missed stuff on my way to where I am now.

Now, there's a few paths that your theory completely fails to explain. Why does Chara say "Then stay here for all eternity" if you said no, which is supposedly what they'd WANT you to select? Why doesn't this eventually mean "You passed the test! You're now free from this hell!" Second, if you answer no to being above consequences, they ask what you're looking for. If you DON'T want to go back, what are you looking for in this void? So apparently, you were ACTUALLY answering if you wanted the world back, to undo your consequences. Now, they do still ask for your SOUL if you say no. Likely because "Then what are you looking for" was supposed to try and get you to "realize" that you DO see yourself as trying to avoid consequences, because "if that's not what you were looking for, then what is?" Then, you never have the chance to answer that you're LOOKING for the "next world". Or that you were looking for Chara. Why? Because Chara doesn't WANT that, nor do they want you to even THINK of that. They want you to reach the conclusion that you want the world back, so that the SOUL exchange is that much easier for them. It's NOT some guilt-trip, it's trying to make it so that you are illing to give up your SOUL-Whether it's through your guilt or not. They refused to take you to the next world, pretending they forgot about that, leaving you in the eternal void left by the world they destroyed. By saying you destroyed it, that's to excuse themselves for not recreating it for free. Not to make you guilty, but to make them look better, and to make the deal not seem completely unfair. It's a scam.

(If you haven't figured it out by now, the "move onto the next" is a piece of evidence that I use a LOT here, because it makes it very clear that Chara's participating in trickery.)

Third, how is the ten minutes a "test" at all? It's not like you can escape the void. You can't possibly fail this one. Just survive for ten minutes. How does reveal that idea of the world of nothingness is unbearable to Frisk/us? Even if we ENJOYED the void, we'd still stay there for ten minutes. We have no choice. It's not a test, it's a demonstration. Surely we'll get bored eventually. And they count on that, since every time you refuse, you're told to stay for eternity. You do get another chance after another ten minutes, though. And then another.. And then another.. They're clearly trying to railroad you into giving that SOUL up. And they succeed, and alarmingly efficiently;I don't know of a single player who reached the void and didn't give up their SOUL. (Other than the cheaters who just removed the Genocide files, and I don't consider hacking like that as canon.)

Now, the paradox of them asking for something they can't obtain is actually something I consider as proof that Frisk is the player. They want Frisk's SOUL, it can't be you outside of the game, because they really can't obtain that. Yet, they're talking to you. So that means you're Frisk. That's the only reasonable conclusion I was able to make, and it also makes a LOT of other things simpler. If the player is Frisk, there's no problem here. Chara isn't a human anymore, they have no SOUL, so of course they can take Frisk's SOUL.

Really, one of the only things that stands in your way here is whether or not Frisk is the player. It's perfect against people like Nochocolate and Justice Boy, though, since they both agree Frisk is NOT the player. Yeah that last part, that's where you and I differ. I regard the player and Frisk as entirely separate entities while you say they're practically the same. And by the way, I stated in the theory that "the void that Chara created in deleting the world was a way to punish the player as it left them with no pleasure’s to obtain from it, '''but it’s NOT Chara’s endgame." The real punishment this demon can bring upon you is in the Soulless Ending, not the Geno Ending.'''