Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20181229180615/@comment-32182236-20190116024640

So that was why, Ferret? Well then. The reason why I set out to destroy the Ness theory was not because of anything I have against MatPat, but because I simply find the idea that two worlds made by two completely different game developers to be canonically connected simply preposterous. Secondly, if the theory is true, Deltarune might just get a cease-and-desist from Nintendo for using their IP (Ness).

Then again, Toby never actually revealed it, so I suppose it'd be pretty hard to justify a DMCA takedown under these circumstances. Not only do I disbelieve in Sans is Ness, I disbelieve in the Earthbound/Undertale connection entirely! (Though Undertale/Deltarune does appear to have a connection)

Either way, let's take a look at the facts again!

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So, your journey to find the Earthbound/Undertale connection began with.. a name.

That evidence is useless now:Ninten is not Ness. Though I suppose if someone wanted to argue that Frisk was actually Ninten..

Either way, two characters with the same name is just a coincidence. I do indeed think Suzy is NOT a reference to Susie, since the name is different, and also because Kris is the one who sees Susie, not Frisk, but I don't consider it an Earthbound reference either. It's something for Undertale's sequel.

(No, Deltarune is not the Undertale sequel mentioned in the Kickstarter. It was stated that the script for the sequel would be developed after Undertale is finished, while Deltarune was developed alongside Undertale. As a result, the Undertale sequel is a different game entirely. A third game. Whether or not it's still going to happen, we can't say yet. Probably will, but it could take 99 years. After all, the alarm clock app IS being developed, but very, very slowly.. Probably because Deltarune is taking Toby's time instead.)

But it is an interesting one. So, let's continue, shall we?

So, a connection between Uboa and Gaster? I still haven't analyzed the Halloween Hack enough to respond to Chapter 10, but here's Uboa:https://i.ytimg.com/vi/A5WMip_XwL8/hqdefault.jpg

And here's Gaster:https://66.media.tumblr.com/19f555cc1e392451e3b28a8fb7f7a45d/tumblr_nzf71nPkKd1uiwpaqo1_400.png

While they both look like scary skeletons, there are notable differences. Gaster has those pupils.. Uboa doesn't. Uboa has eyes stretched horizontally, looking distorted.. Gaster's distortion is that they're stretched vertically. And the notable two stripes on Gaster (One above his eyes, one below his eyes) are completely missing from Uboa.

Given that Toby Fox's avatar at one point matched the scary face that can appear in Omega Flowey's TV monitor, it seems to be that Toby Fox has a knack for making distorted faces. But enough differences exist between Uboa and Gaster to say that the connection isn't meaningful.

As for Sans' teleportation, we need to take some things into consideration.

Firstly, the click sounds nothing like what happens in Earthbound. Second, Sans doesn't have enough time to set up the PSI Teleportation spell in the timeframe the screen is black for when he teleports in your face in Snowdin Forest. Third, every time Sans uses a "shortcut", it appears to be through some kind of door.

So, how can Sans teleport? Well, there is a possibility. First, we know Sans has some kind of time magic-He's actually frozen time at Grillby's. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNSxGIxS_S4 (Notice how as soon as the screen dims, everyone except for Sans and Frisk STOP MOVING.) And guess what sound effect that comes with? The exact same sound effect that he uses whenever he teleports. So, could it be that whenever he teleports in front of us, he's simply freezing time for us, and then just walking away?

Second, the screen does turn black. But given that the screen darkens at Grillby's, it seems this is a natural effect-Sans could have made it yet darker. We can't see his teleport, because time is frozen for us.

Third, if the previous explanation for the screen doesn't work, the screen may turn black because Sans initiated a battle, and then "teleported" before the battle fully initiated, counting as "fleeing", ending the battle. The screen does turn black as the first sign of a battle initiating, after all, RIGHT as the sound plays. The very beginning of said sound? Matches the click sound.

As for the shortcuts? They match the doors in Deltarune. It could be that whatever devices these doors use, Sans has one of those for himself. But since they were designed to work on DOORS, Sans can only use them with doors. Sans' shortcuts aren't being flown in a straight line like Ness' PSI abilities, so there is a clear difference between the two.

Oh, and Gaster and Andonuts both being massive geniuses don't make them the same character. It just means they're both massive geniuses in their world. Only Gaster could have done it. Nobody else NEEDS to be able to do this stuff. And sure, Andonuts could have done it. So could Athena, God of Wisdom possibly. And Dr. Emmet Brown. And Professor. E. Gadd. And Tails the Fox. Do you see what my point is yet?

Also, Undertale argues the answer to the question of whether the worst person can change is actually NO, Ferret. Why? Because once you complete the Genocide Route, it cannot be reversed. So either Frisk or Chara is now corrupted, with no hope of turning good.