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He had no emotions whatsoever; that's been gone over quite a few times. All he could really feel was satisfaction.

At first it was made clear that he did things that were good; he helped the monsters.

Then he turned to bad because he's done everything good that could've given him any satisfaction.

In the Genocide Route, what you guys seem to have speculated was that he could've killed himself when he saw Chara/Frisk's determination over-rid (or over-rode whatever idk) his own. So why didn't he do it?

He was foolish; he thought that it was really Chara. He thought Chara had "come to save him".

Look at it from this angle. He identifies you as Chara a couple of times throughout the run. You are still Frisk, however. At the end of the Genocide Route, it's still Chara over there asking for your soul.

Flowey/Asriel didn't understand what being used meant, until it happened to him. He kept using others for his own satisfaction because he didn't know what else to do. But only at the end, when you see Asriel's face in Flowey, does he realize that he's been used; that he's on the other side of the table now. Let's be real; if Asriel/Flowey knew that Frisk wasn't actually Chara, and was just some messed up person, he wouldn't have been there to take the blow from you. He thought you were Chara, he saw something in you, but tried to make you a good and better person, ultimately failing. Asriel had the power to Save and Load. He probably knew that in one timeline, he was at one point saved. However, he didn't fully know this; remember, YOU did the TRUE RESET. The TRUE RESET overwrites Floweys Saves and Loads; so he wouldn't be 100% sure. But he probably knew that deep down, you wanted to see him saved, because at one point or another, you may have temporarily saved him, and were heartbroken because you couldn't. Remember, that we're accounting in the fact that he has EVERY scenario ever possible to be made in his mind. Him speculating and guessing as to different routes and paths you might take isn't as much of a shot in the dark as it may seem to be. So, from my point of view, he decided to risk it and see you at the end, begging for mercy, only to know that no matter what happens, Toby Fox is one messed up belissimo son of a mama and doesn't want you to EVER save Asriel.

Asriel is trapped in an emotionless frame. He's seen the most messed up shit, and we all know that. He's killed his mom, his dad, his friends; everybody. I'd like to believe that the only reason you could see Asriel in Flowey was not because of his actions, but rather because of your vision. Remember? You're basically possessed by Chara. Chara probably saw Asriel, but Chara didn't care about him. In fact, I don't think Chara ever cared about Asriel. Chara was basically in control of your movements by the end of the game. YOU didn't chose to slash Flowey to death. Chara did. YOU didn't chose to slash Asgore to death. Chara did. I know this because 1. YOU would probably spare Asriel/Flowey, and 2. I sure as hell wouldn't refuse a cup of tea with King Asgore. And I guess 3. because it literally doesn't even give you an option... I'm pretty sure it was quite clear that Chara had control over you in the end of the game. Flowey thought he saw Chara in you, so he begged for forgiveness. Chara saw Asriel in Flowey, and chased for slaughter. Chara cares only about themself. Chara already rules the world. I mean, somehow. I don't really get how, it wasn't really made clear. I mean, 6 human souls? Seriously? On that note, people who go to war wouldn't be fighting with guns, but with save files and soul thieving. Something else was behind it, but I'm getting off topic. Let's get a bit more off topic before I get back on topic, while I'm already at it. 

I read a Fanfic a day ago. I told myself that there's nothing that would ever make the gaping hole in my heart from Asriel's endless fate. But this one connected almost every single dot; the only thing I'd say it didn't was the fact that Sans may be Ness, but that's just a theory; a GamE THEER''Y. ''(hits chest) But it involved the mysterious W. D. Gaster. Here's the link. It's ominous, and some parts seem a bit lackluster, so to speak, but it's worth the read.

imgur.com/a/8wI5W

 If the many speculations on Gaster were correct, this would be plausable.

 Look; I believe Asriel is a soul worth saving. Remember that he's not the soul that killed millions of monsters in millions of different timelines, he's the soul that refused to kill a village of humans and died for his traitorous best friend. He's torn and infinitely broken on the inside, because he never understood true love. As Frisk, you showed him what true love was, and it mended something inside of him. It even went well into his Flowey phase, which you see the next time you load the game. Where he asks you to not stop playing, because he wants to be with you. Because he wants to be cared for, and that's it.

 He wanted to feel positive emotions again dude. That's all, that's it. He can never forgive himself for what he did, and he knows that himself. He says that himself, I believe, if you talk to him again in the patch of golden flowers at the start of the game. He can never get the good ending, and even though he knows that, he disregards it all over one human; you. Frisk. He gives you, and all of the Underground, freedom to the overground at the exchange of his own life, essentially. All he is, is the essence of a 8-12 year old child, living in a flower.



 If you were a flower that was used by your best friend, then slaughtered, then turned into a flower with no ability to sense, feel, and emote, but you could save and load...

<p style="font-weight:normal;"> You'd have no concept of anything. Someone would have to give it to you. And nobody could for Flowey. Nobody would for Flowey.