Talk:Chara/@comment-36073590-20180704133156/@comment-28517148-20180721125742

I NEVER said that chara isnt bad ,i said that they are not bad for the sake of being bad. And I am saying they are bad for doing bad things because this is what makes them a bad person - their deeds and circumstances, which unlike their motives are actually shown in the game. The reasons why they have done these things don't matter. End of story. that why we have to analyse their behaviour to understand them and its not to justify their actions but TO UNDERTAND their actions,to not think that theres is persons who do bad stuff without motives So, you are trying to understand Chara's conduct by analysing their motives without categorising them as good/bad, while I'm calling them bad due to their bad conduct. Why are we even talking? And that is all about crux of the matter.

And undertale is about understanding characters and their motives so what wrong here? The problem here is Undertale is ambiguous fanservice that can be interpreted in too many ways. The games imply the presence of something and not absence of something .The game doesnt imply Chara's knowledge about the control split?Then that means that this knowledge is absent. And that is the problem - implying instead of being direct. UT is made up story happening in limited, fictional world without clear rules. Also there are plot holes and plot inducted stupidities. Thus you can't conveniently rely on implied stuff and say: that's truth, because it's not. It's speculations. but you completely ignored it . If I ignored something that means it was speculation. You even ignored Chara's own words which confirms that they didnt have any ulteriour motive:rememeber they say "our plan is failled"and not "my plan",if they had any ulteriour motive they would call it "my plan" ...Our plan had failed, hadn't it?... To this day I don't understand the actual meaning of Chara's genocide ending speech. (...) The fact that they took their body to the village can easily be explained with... more speculations.