Talk:Chara/@comment-35030974-20191227014300/@comment-32182236-20200115133157

"That wasn't my point. My point was that, according to you, a character outright saying something is true doesn't count as confirmed, but fan theories do. If this is what we're going by, then Chara must be an innocent angel. Sure, they literally said they were a demon, but it doesn't matter because they could be lying."

Actually, fan theories don't count as confirmed. I even specifically said the narrator theory is not confirmed.

I brought the idea of Flowey not being confirmed to be Asriel because once you decide "if it's not confirmed, we can't use it", well, now we can't even say that Flowey is Asriel anymore.

And characters have lied before. After all, Alphys at first lied that we could just get through the Barrier without killing Asgore. And pretended to be the hero, when she set up the Mettaton encounters in the first place.

So no, a character saying it doesn't make it true. So why so we think Flowey is Asriel? Because of the vast amount of evidence supporting it.

Why am I telling you to accept the narrator theory? Because of the vast amount of evidence supporting it.

So seriously. Point out the flaw in my proof. Not the theory itself, but the proof that I GAVE you of it. And if you say once again that "it's not confirmed", you now have no reason to believe that Asriel is Flowey. Because that also was not confirmed (By the way, the narrator actually did say that they were Chara. "It's me, Chara"-Narrator, New Home. So if a characr saying something makes it confirmed, then I guess the narrator theory IS confirmed.)