Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20190425222457/@comment-26006155-20190503135643

Ambassador, my replies to your last post:

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Chara is from the Surface. She has a history in her village by the mountain, one she ran away from, and wanted to revenge on. Sans and Gaster might be from another Universe, but Chara is from the surface above the Underground.

Also, Chara is a child, not a grown-up. And Sans seems to be fairly childish, as well. The Riverperson seems to be referring to an adult, and the much taller Gaster is a far better fit for this.

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B--Sans is more powerful than The King of All Monsters

A--Asgore made it very clear that he doesn't want to fight us. And what happens when a monster doesn't want to fight?

And yet Asgore is definitely determined to fight us, going so far as to smash the "Mercy" button at the start of the fight. He's the 3rd most powerful boss in the game, and believes he must destroy Frisk in order to secure the freedom of his people.

Remember that Asgore was the one who insisted on the policy of killing humans who arrive in the Underground. He might not be fighting at 100% strength, but Sans' ability to actually break the physics of the game is a level of power far beyond what Asgore or even Undyne the Undying can muster.

Sans could be deliberately punking you at 9 deaths. Keeping count for that long is quite a feat, and you *have* been trying to kill him over and over that many times.

Although it's true that Sans doesn't know everything. And assumes you haven't died at the MTT diner, although he can read your face and reacts to it if you have.

But the entire reason Sans gives you the repeated tests in order to get his Room Key is to check to see if Frisk is a time traveler.. like Sans himself is. And Frisk has been achieving his time traveling by using his human power to Save and Load.

Undyne had Determination, but not the ability to Save and Load. It takes a human SOUL to do that.

Frisk's Determination does seem to exceed Sans' own, and Flowey mentioned that Frisk/Chara's deterimation jammed his own ability to Save and Load. So perhaps Frisk is interferring with Sans' ability to remember saves, causing the innacuracy?

Glad we can agree on Sans bleeding.

B--Sans thinks a government stance that not all humans are good or evil should be a high priority

A--That's the rational, smart choice. And for someone who's against killing innocents, this would definitely be a big priority.

Yes, but look at it in context: This is a world of monsters who have seen nothing but cruelty at human hands. And Sans' statement happens in the King Papyrus ending. Which means Sans is stating that misjudging humans is wrong.. right after a human just walked through the Underground, killing countless monsters and every main character except Papyrus.

Human popularity during this ending is at an all-time low. For the new government to be pushing for human tolerance here, now, is a real risk that makes little sense.. unless Sans has a special interest in why he thinking making this statement is important.

Sans may have studied The Anomaly along with Gaster, but Sans wasn't certain what The Anomaly was, until his boss fight. Remember that neither Sans nor Gaster knew about The Barrier going in. So they didn't know every detail beforehand, part of the reason for the scouting expedition.

B--Sans has a personal reason he doesn't want to be King

A--Perhaps he just doesn't want to kill the person on the throne?

Yet even when every other leader has either been killed, or declined the throne, Sans will still choose not to become King even if he could have the crown without having to kill or de-throne anyone.

And it's not just because Sans is lazy, because Sans works very hard to see that Papyrus' government actually functions.

Sans even blames himself for the chaos, because he says 'this is what happens when people like me take it easy'.

I saw Gaijin's Revenant video when it came out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uBGfEOoDkM

There certainly is something dark about Sans, and I have no doubt that he has killed before.

But if Sans truly hated humanity.. why did he consider it important for Papyrus' government to state that humans shouldn't be unfairly judged right after one had gone on a rampage through the Underground?

As I mentioned in the script, Sans' excuse that he defied King Asgore's clear instructions to kill all humans because of a vague promise he made to a woman whose name he didn't know that was great at telling knock knock jokes.. has several holes in it.

Sans claims not to even know Toriel's name at the MTT dinner, yet Toriel herself says that Sans has told her so much about Papyrus, and that she's glad to "finally" meet him during the True Pacifist reunion only an hour or so later.

As cool as Revenants sound, if Sans was truly undead, why does he need to eat so much? Undyne's clocking him making hundreds of midnight snacks, and if revenants are vampires, he ought to be leaving a trail of the drained and dead behind him.

It's hard to imagine an undead creature whose singular reason for existing is Revenge... to put that aside because an old lady who was great at knock knock jokes asked him nicely.

Gaijin also makes the point that Sans retains lots of knowledge between games.

So revenants have blood. But Sans has been ordering a lot more than just ketchup at Grillby's, has a bag of chips in his fridge, once cooked a quiche/pie and operates a hot dog stand. He doesn't seem like a vampire to me.. or a skeleton.