Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31981697-20170722123329/@comment-27136653-20170801180246

I don't like this. You keep talking to more and more people. Just make one comment where you reply to all open questions, and then we answer it. You take your time, and again write a communal reply.

> My case is they all have DT, but they DON'T all have the power. Also, Flowey was given this DT FROM the humans, to recreate what it did. Flowey actually HAS the power, from having the most DT.

- Flowey had the power. Yes. And then Frisk came. Frisk had more power. But my point is, that all humans had the power. Not just Chara and Frisk. Why do I have to repeat myself?

> "The idea is that if it took you, Frisk, to show Undyne what human's power for determination really is, you must be able to show it in a way no other human has.  And having the ability to SAVE and LOAD is a  perfect way to do this. "

- If and only if she met other humans before Frisk. Which she didn't. And her only reaction to your power is... well, none, since she doesn't know about this power. When you repeat the battle, she recognizes you as an old friend, but then dismisses that as mind control. So she can't know about this power that we possess anyways.

> " Sans and Papyrus are  skeletons. Skeletons don't appear to age much. They could have just appeared 10 years ago, or been around since shortly after Toriel left to the Ruins."

- Maybe they were around to witness the death of Asriel and Chara, maybe they're the oldest monsters in the underground. But they arrived to THIS universe, where no one knows them, after the 6 humans passed.

1) About the aging. You're right. But, nothing proves that the monster in the intro is Asgore. Nor the small one, nor the huge one. Idk why people even take it as a fact. Boss monsters age normally with offspring, so there could have been quite a few generations in the underground. And Asgore definitely looks younger than Gerson, so he's probably younger. Even if we subtract the years of not aging. And Gerson, well, he's a turtle. Turtles live long. We can't assume that all monsters can survive for millenia.

2) About physics, extraction isn't really quantum mechanics. Don't try to explain it. It's a fool's work.

3) What about that time Frisk refused to insult Snowdrake's mother? Or when they hesitated to walk towards the curtain? Frisk has a personality. They're not a mindless zombie just because we're playing as them.

> " If none of the humans made it to Asgore, then none of the humans made it past him either."

- I am aware of this loophole. But then Undyne could have just straight up said that no human has ever gotten to Asgore. Why would she imply that they all made the journey then (some at least)? And it WAS all of them, if we assume that they could reset - which I already proved to be the case.

4) If Asgore's so weak as you say, then why did Undyne say she couldn't land a single blow on him? Are all monsters so perplexed by entering a battle with a human that they forget to move? Except for Sans somehow? Asgore can definitely dodge. But he didn't. I wonder why.

Now, onto your other comment:

<span style="font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-weight:normal;">> " <span style="font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-weight:normal;">due to her both instantly recognizing you as a human (evidence she did)"

<span style="font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-weight:normal;">- And I suppose Papyrus then saw a human too? Even though Sans said otherwise? And what about Dogamy and Dogaressa? I say that they all just received some training to recognize humans. Isn't that a much simpler explanation?

<span style="font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-weight:normal;">> " <span style="font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-weight:normal;">and not realizing what Alphys meant by humans being determined until Frisk showed up"

<span style="font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-weight:normal;">- I uhh what? I don't remember her saying that. Can you please quote?

<span style="font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-weight:normal;">>  <span style="font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-weight:normal;">I have an actual in-universe explanation, but it's quite complicated, so complicated in fact that Tsskyx thinks "Toby did it" is a better explanation. It's a matter of how well it explains the concept vs how simple it is.

<span style="font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-weight:normal;">- Occam's razor. Also, [insert an obligatory Pierre Fermat joke here].

<span style="font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-weight:normal;">All and all, your logic is good, but you keep dismissing some important points. Just because something is just partially flawed doesn't mean we automatically have to take the 2nd route. There's enough evidence that Chara was evil and yet, people dismiss that. Why? Because it makes more sense if she was normal, rather than evil. Even if all evidence can be interpreted both ways.