Talk:Chara/@comment-36073590-20180704133156/@comment-28517148-20180726173712

...he (Asriel) had to kill 6 persons but he agreed to it because he doesnt wanted to doubt of Chara (...) He would do it alone if he idolised Chara very much,his idolisation doesnt proove any manipulation... Actually, idolisation where one sees other as authority (...No! I'd never doubt you...) is one of the fundamental method of manipulation. Asriel saying twice he strongly doesn't want do dissapoint Chara (No! I'd never doubt you, Chara. Never! (...) I said... I said I'd never doubt you...) and agreeing to do things he doesn't want to do (I... I don't like this idea, Chara. Wh.. what? N-no, I'm not... ... big kids don't cry. (...) I don't like this plan anymore (...) Six, right? We just have to get six... And we'll do it together, right?) clearly shows he has been manipulated. Moreover, Asriel agreed to serious plan of killing six people not only against his will but also without having any good reason (except for not dissapointing his friend, which isn't reason at all, only proof of manpiulation) since there is no pressure of time to do doubtful and questionable things like commiting suicide or killing, and monsterkind actually isn't in any real danger and doesn't suffer, except being trapped in Underground, which is merely inconvenience.

...perhaps he idolised them that much because they were the only one who could understand him as he says.Its the reason why he doesnt wanted to doubt of Chara... Rule of sympathy and affection - another way to manipulate by befriending the victim and making them to like you.

''...The human died. ASRIEL, wracked with grief, absorbed the human's SOUL.'' Rule of reciprocity - other way of manipulation: I died for you, now it is time for you to return a favor and do what I asked you for.

Also, children are the easiest to manipulate.

This leads to conclusion that Asriel has been manipulated all that time.

Also thanks for providing argumants =]

Nochocolate did the same thing to "proove"Asriel was abused... Never heard.

And please stop this pointless discussion because you dont have evidences to proove that he was manipulated You know you are exhibiting denialism from this point.

PS - Chara is evil as hell.