Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-32783587-20180302162510/@comment-32783587-20180311003741

Tsskyx wrote: Anons unite, you're doing the quotes thing wrong. You quote a passage, and then write stuff below it, not into it. But personally, I don't bother with quotes, I simply italicize the quoted text.

this is how i do it on my main wiki, i will only change if youre really bothered with it

As for all of your arguments so far, I will reply to them in no order in particular:

"but whats under that hood? you cant see it, so it could be and is very likely to be flowey!"

I wouldn't say very likely. There's probably hundreds, if not thousands of monsters in the underground that would be big enough to fit into that hood perfectly. Flowey is just a single one. So based purely on probability, RP is very likely to NOT be Flowey. As for the vines, yes, that would explain the size discrepancy.

but what im saying is, people use "well he clearly doesnt LOOK like the river person" as an excuse, when in reality, it is perfectly possible.

"it has been shown that flowey can imitate voices pretty well, like in the true lab."

To my knowledge, Flowey speaks in four voices in total. Asriel's, his own, Toriel's, and Asgore's. His own is probably just an alteration of his normal (Asriel's) voice, and Toriel and Asgore, well, they're his parents. Their voices do sound alike. It wouldn't be too difficult for him to imitate them. Riverperson however speaks in the "generic" voice, that many other monsters speak in, and also the voice that we hear when we read something. Following your logic, any one of those monsters (for example the brown Bear in Snowdin) could just be Flowey in a costume. If he can get a blue cape, he can get anything.

'''no no no, toriel and asgore are WAY different. one is a deep voice, and one is a high voice. he speaks in a generic voice because he wants to blend in with other monsters and make it seem like hes not flowey (if he was flowey, frisk wouldnt accept his help and would take longer to advance the game)'''

"now, if flowey is evil, why is he helping you? simple, he wants you to hurry up and reach the end of the game by sending you places."

True. He's the one pulling the strings. He was the one to tell Papyrus to gather everyone at the end of the game. But he still could be helping you further. He doesn't help you in the neutral endings for example. Only in the no mercy route does he actually complete all the puzzles for you. So why would he then dress up as someone much taller than him, with a weird voice, and ride you around in a boat, in every single route? It makes no sense whatsoever. Why would he do something more difficult, instead of doing something much simpler? And lastly, when you leave the boat, and then walk towards a different river port, the Riverperson won't be there. If Flowey is stalking you and wants to transport you around, he would show up every single time.

flowey knows much more than we do. and in the neutral ending is simply because he doesnt help you until after the route (because that is the best way to get pacifist, by simply restarting  after a neutral so flowey can finally be what he wants, asriel. being the riverman helps him reach places faster for neutral, whether or not he killed people, so frisk can go pacifist. so any argument against me could be said: we dont know as much as flowey knows. probably dressing up, hiding his true identity, bringing him between places. as for why he doesnt show up, its because hotland is the only place where you can truly backtrack and have benefits for progressing the game into pacifist (and if genocide,  he can take you places to kill more monsters. remember, flowey is happy with genocide (he doesnt know hell die) AND pacifist, just not neutral

So explain, if RP is Flowey, WHY does he dock in Hotland, when the first port you encounter is all the way in Snowdin, and WHY does he not automatically move to the ports that you walk to? Why does he always stay in the one where he docked with you the last time?

explained above

"teleportation. he can do that somewhat easily as a flower."

He doesn't teleport. He moves through the ground. In a way, he does phase through the earth, but I just can't imagine him phasing through water like that. It could be possible though. Unlikely, but possible.

well, he moves fro ruins to hotland, so he had to cross water at some point on the way to waterfall.. meaning yes he can go over water, whether he teleports or not

"now the only downside to this is, asriel is in the pacifist route in the ruins but the river person is normal. but honestly, theres much more proof for it than against it that we can ignore this point."

As I said, this indeed disproves your theory. Asriel didn't want to be seen. With his state of the mind and his goals, why the hell would he out of ALL the things dress up in a cloak and sit in a boat, waiting to you to arrive? (Assuming he somehow knew whether you would come or not.) And what about the vines, hmm? Riverperson has a larger figure than Asriel, and Asriel is a boss monster, not a flower. Lastly, no, there is no proof. You simply showed how none of those arguments disprove your speculations, but you haven't presented a single convincing argument that would conclusively prove them yet.

sigh. i know theres flaws here, but the benefits above outweigh this one TINY drawback -_-

You know, I can play that game too. The Earth is flat. There, try to disprove me :)

i cant, so why are you using that  argument, but still trying to disprove me

"yes, that was the one thing against it, but there are many more things for it, which i addressed above. and for the asriel thing, maybe asriel can still teleport you back somehow using the river person? even if no, that downside is outweighed by the benefits."

Explain the teleportation. Don't say that "it just happens." That's no argument. As for the benefits, here, I showed you they're all fake. There are no good arguments for this theory. Just those that disprove the impossibility of this theory. As I said, you have no arguments whatsoever. You're just eliminating the counter-arguments, until what you're left with is pure fanon, based on no and contradicting no concrete evidence at all.

explained avoce

"not true. there is no indication of the froggit being final froggit, except they're call

''ed the same thing. but with all the proof above, it connects together"''

See, this is the irony of your reasoning. You present broken arguments and then say that my claims have no foundation. The truth is simple. There is no proof, nothing connects together, your theory sucks, and we might as well say that Riverperson is Gaster. (Since who else could possibly know all the things that RP knows, amirite?)

wow okay, have your own opinion. but he probs is flowey. ive also thinking he might be sans but thats a long shot.