Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-35615238-20190608024117

Now, this isn't a new topic to complain about, but I wanted to sum everything up in a single post that is rational and calm because someone else attempted to do this (I won't say who they are) but while they did it they sounded incredibly childish and short-tempered. With that said, I'll just go ahead and say it. Sans is one of the main reasons that Under tale has its reputation of having one of the most toxic fandoms to exist.I'm not saying this because I think he's a bad character. I understand what Toby went for with him. Toby wanted to create a funny jokester who secretly had nihilistic views about the entire world and wanted to remove the cause of that. I do agree that a character such as Sans at least deserves some respect. However, people take him way too far, often thinking he's the name of the game and doing stuff with that in mind such as saying he's incredibly powerful, shipping him with literally every female character ever made, and requesting him to be the representation for the whole game in different A U's and games such as Smash Brothers. I need to talk about how and why these people are incredibly hated, and why their actions are despised by the community because it's true. The Sans fanbase is incredibly stupid and doesn't stop anywhere, and here are 5 reasons why.

1. Sans is nowhere near as powerful as everyone claims he is.

We know Sans is considered to be the hardest boss in the game by a good amount of people in the fandom. However, most people mistakenly believe that because of this consensus, Sans is one of the most powerful monsters in the Underground, claiming that he has the ability to defeat characters like Bill Cipher, Goku, The Nightmare Wizard, Etc. This is obviously completely wrong. Sans has the worst statistics in the game, and the only reason he does insanely high damage is that Karmic Retribution nullifies invincibility frames which means that the player receives 1 damage per frame of being hit. If Karmic Retribution is a mechanic that works correctly because of the player's sins, then Sans cannot use it on any heroes who have not deliberately done anything intentionally negative, rendering him unable to do any significant damage. Also, you must take into account that Sans gets tired relatively quickly, falling asleep after only 23 turns of the fight going on. So with that in mind, it's pretty easy to say that Sans would not stand a chance against any strong opponent.

2. Sans is ultimately the least important major character in the plot.

This is a controversial statement, but I will explain why it's a valid point. Across the game, Sans does nothing more than just make everyone laugh and make you realize your progress in the adventure. Compared to other characters like Papyrus, Undyne, and even Asgore, he serves no real purpose in the plot, and could even be completely removed with the story being intact. This thought raises a question, which is the same point our good friend Billy Bob Joe made: What would the Final Boss of the Genocide route be? The answer is the same answer he stated. If Asgore absorbed the 6 human souls like he was supposedly told to, he would make for a much more challenging Final Boss than Sans. If you want to prove me wrong on this statement, you can go ahead and try, but if you use Gaster as a tool for your argument, then it's invalid because there is no confirmation that Sans had ever worked for Gaster.

3. Sans probably has the least character development out of any major character.

Again, a controversial thing to say, but let me show you why this is nothing to scoff at. All Sans does in the plot is act like a lazy and funny guy. That is it. Sure, you learn why he's so lazy in his boss fight, but that doesn't mean anything, because learning a character's motives through pacifism and understanding is much more valid of a method than just killing everyone to get them to talk. This is why characters like Papyrus, Undyne, and Alphys are way better-developed than Sans is. They require a friend who is understanding and kind to them, and Frisk is a good friend to all 3 of them, but Sans, despite Frisk's pacifism, will always threaten to kill them if Toriel didn't ask for the promise. Dude, that is mean. You don't do that. This kid is the future of your entire race and you want to destroy them? Hell no.

4. Megalovania is not the best song in the game.

I know this is subjective and all that, but let's be honest. Megalovania is incredibly popular. So popular that it's actually caused drama. I'm not kidding. If you were in the fandom during the time Man on the Internet was rising up with Under tale the Musical, you may remember all of the times the director of the team, Alex, got enraged due to being bombarded with Megalovania requests, going as far as sending death threats if they didn't perform the song. Listen here. Honestly, there are probably over 10 themes that are better than Megalovania. These include:

- Battle Against a True Hero

- Hopes and Dreams + Save the World

- Death By Glamour

- Under tale

- Another Medium (Yes, really)

- CORE (Yes, really)

And that's just half of it. People need to get over a song that is never heard at all in the Pacifist Route, which is honestly the most meaningful route in the whole game. This song is also attributed to being part of the main reason why Sans is what everyone thinks of when they think of Genocide. It's never the whole "Accept that you're killing everyone" message that the game tells you. Nah, Nah, fuck that. It's clearly Megalovania this, and Megalovania that.

Finally, 5. Sans is not a shipping toy.

We all know of the infamous ships of the Sans lovers. You know Frans, Soriel, and Fontcest. While these alone are incredibly wrong since Frans is pedophilia, Fontcest is incest, and Soriel is adultery (assuming Toriel forgives Asgore post-game), it doesn't stop there. I heard that fangirls have gone as far as creating inappropriate art of their own character with Sans, and people even use A U versions of Sans to literally bone himself. First off, none of these ships could theoretically happen because Sans is obviously a skeleton, and last time I checked, a skeleton can't even do all of this in the first place. Secondly, the fact that people do this is perceived as incredibly cancerous and really says a whole lot about the Under tale fandom and why people hate it so much.

Once again, I don't think Sans is a bad character at all, but for what he's worth to the plot, he's seen as the center of the whole game and treated accordingly, overshadowing the many other properly fleshed out personalities such as Alphys or Toriel, who have just as, if not more powerful sentiments than Sans does. These people claim that Sans is the vaguest character and that they're just trying to find out the mysteries of his nihilism, but as long as Toby never confirms anything, that mystery will never be truly solved.

So there you have it. My personal input on why Sans is the most overrated character in the game. If you wish to respond on why you disagree with me at all, go ahead, but at least make your point rational and sensible because using Gaster won't help you. 