Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20190617222636/@comment-32182236-20190704121612

We also know that a long time has passed between Chara falling, and Frisk falling, and given the lifespan of flowers, that Flowey was brought back to life less than a year before Frisk fell.

I gave you the alternative. Chara did arrive at the last month of 201X. Gaster died just a few days afterwards, but still during 201X. After Gaster died, the following Spring, Chara died as well. That is my alternative. And all the evidence is explained. Do you spot a contradiction? Because contradictions are what you need to be looking for. Not asking what we're "supposed" to do. You're treading on "God doesn't play dice" again.

Run the simulation. See where it crashes. That's a better idea than to just ask why Toby put something there. That's just as bad as a scientist asking why God put something there. We're better than that. Instead of asking why Toby put it there, ask why it exists... In-universe.

Chara says it's the date they came... Because it's the date they came. Simple as that. So Chara's fall gets placed at the end of 201X, and all timelines that say Chara didn't arrive in 201X are wrong. And that's all it means. Nothing more.

As I said, there's a difference between eliminating the possibility of a human walking right through a room with a bunch of rocks.. And saying that since one side is lighter than the other, the whole room has to symbolise a transition between a light realm and a dark realm. You're doing the latter. Only the former is allowed.

Here's another example of what I'm getting at.. Let's take a bit of literature as an example.

"The curtains were blue".

Many people would argue that this signifies some kind of depression (seriously, why do people make a bunch if stretches to argue that so many things are about depression? Seriously, guys!) But you know what's most likely what the author of this line meant?

The curtains were blue. Hex code #0000FF. The end of the light spectrum. The color BLUE!! The curtains... Were blue!

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Perhaps Chara DID visit Gaster's lab before Gaster died. What's to say they didn't? They had to learn about the split control of SOULs from something! ("And we'll do it together, right?"-Asriel, Tape 4, in reference to killing the humans after the SOUL absorption.)

Here's my timeline again, in case you still haven't gotten it. (Only the Beta timeline-Though I did edit an earlier post of the timeline to include all of the Alpha and Beta timelines, at least where Gaster is involved)

Chara falls down in what the monsters call 201X, but is in fact in the distant past. This is what inspires him to make the blueprints of the DT extraction machine. Chara Dreemurr. A few days after this, Gaster dies, before he could actually BUILD the machine. Which why Alphys finds blueprints, but no machine. Gaster died before he could start his DT experiments. Afterwards, Chara dies the following Spring.

To put it simply, my premise is that Gaster died at some point between Chara's arrival in New Home, and Chara's death. When it was still 201X. Which means Chara was around to witness Gaster's fall (though they might not have actually seen the fall, because they could have been playing with Asriel at that time.) That is what I want you to run the simulation of. Gaster dies while Chara is Underground. Oh, and that Chara's fall and Frisk's fall have a LOT of time between them.

But you might wonder how Gaster was able to do this? Well, even before then, he probably wanted to study the timelines. After all, the Dark World is probably Gaster's Dark Experiment, and he was the one who built this machine. So, when Chara fell, he discovered an anomaly in the space-time continuum. An anomaly that he would trace to determination. That's how he learns about it. And that's when he attempts to find a way to extract it.