Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-27907368-20160428221757/@comment-27907368-20160504192723

I don't trust Flowey's interpretation of the world around him. He flubs on motivation in the polar endings because he projects into others what he wishes to see.

I trust sans more because he sees our actual STATS. Do you recall the 0 EXP neutral run judgement?

http://i.imgur.com/IvW6qvb.gif

You've got something called "determination", and we need to hold on and do what's in our heart to, eventually, do what's right. Knowing that our 'heart' is Frisk's SOUL enlightens this judgement. He never says that we have DETERMINATION, regardless of run.

Flowey tosses around DT and dt like it's nobody's business... None of Flowey's determinations go in scare quotes. However, he gains the scare quotes in his boss fight. The scare quotes mean that there is some skepticism to the term - they are seen predominantly in the True Lab and in the Snowball Game. They're the recognition that an abstract concept is used as a physical property or is jargon

Alphys definitely has experience with dt. sans may too, knowing that he and Alphys share ties related to the amalgamates. They both use "determination" consistently. I'm not sure if Flowey does. He asks us to befriend Alphys, but then again he asks us to befriend everyone.

This is part of why I believe that Chara was present in that boss battle - Flowey/Asriel gained knowledge of DT and dt.

DETERMINATION is always without scare quotes. No uncertainty to it, that's what it's called. Odd.

So, we've agreed on a triumvirate, then(?). Chara and Frisk are separate, and as a player we are not considered either of these identities.

Evidence for us not being Chara is at the end of genocide "WHO SAID YOU WERE IN CONTROL?" and all of that good stuff.

Evidence for not being Frisk is Flowey's plee to Chara at the end of pacifist and the information that we ought to "leave Frisk alone".