Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20190617222636/@comment-35806478-20190706073558

Ferret, let's talk about Undyne and her determination.

Undyne does not serve as the control group for it! You claim that it took Undyne years of training to hit Asgore once, but that is simply false. Here's the dialogue: * Y'know, I was a pretty hotheaded kid.* Once, to prove I was the strongest, I tried to fight ASGORE.* Emphasis on TRIED.* I couldn't land a single blow on him!* And worse, the whole time, he refused to fight back!* I was so humiliated...* Afterwards, he apologized and said something goofy...* "Excuse me, do you want to know how to beat me?"* I said yes, and from then on, he trained me.* One day, during practice, I finally knocked him down.* I felt... bad.* But he was beaming...* I had never seen someone more proud to get their butt kicked.   Undyne has had years of training and can now hold her own against the King of Monsters. I suppose determination could have something to do with that, but it seems as though it was mostly raw skill. So then, what about the Fallen Down monsters? How did they Fall Down? Simple. Illness. Look again at the hidden text about Fallen Down monsters. Here's what it says:  * Unfortunately, monsters are not experienced with illness.* However, when monsters are about to expire of age, they lie down, immobile.* We call this state "Fallen Down."* A person who has Fallen Down will soon perish.

"Unfortunately, monsters are not experienced with illness."

Why would the book say "unfortunately" if the monsters couldn't experience illness?

Well, it must be that illness is rare enough that when it does happen, there aren't any proper treatment methods for a monster.

Therefore the possibility of illness becomes much more possible for the Fallen Down monsters.

Of course, this also means no control group for us, which makes everything a whole lot harder. Oh well; that's probably on purpose.