Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20190403163405/@comment-26006155-20190415130700

https://undertale.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:162205#111 Response to Ambassador’s reply to Chapter 5:

New Home was actually the second stop, after the monster originally came in from Home in the Ruins.

I’ve always wondered how the Spiders got split. And how did some of them get through Snowdin if the cold was lethal to insects?

… or did they come in through the Ruins? Asgore show’s there’s an opening at his castle in New Home that leads right outside. The Barrier would prevent anyone from walking out.. But not anyone from walking in?

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While only burrowing creatures and ghosts can freely travel to the Ruins under their own power, there’s no law that prevents Toriel from opening the door and letting others in.

She does that for Sans and Papyrus after all. And we know she opens the door occasionally because she let the other humans through, had Alphys upgrade her phone, and delivered all the Fallen Down Vegetoids to Alphys’ lab.

There’s no reason Toriel wouldn’t open the door for others, too, if need be.

And Toriel is certainly still the Queen. She’s identified as that when she returns on the neutral endings to take the throne. She left Asgore, but there’s no indication she ever abdicated.

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You have a point that when an area is clear for No Mercy, it doesn’t mean everyone is dead. You can still encounter Shyren and other pre-planned events when the counter is at 0, and you can still encounter multiple monsters when the count is at 1.

So No Mercy is a better term than Genocide. We don’t actually kill them all.

You count adding up to 666 is interesting. No reason that wouldn’t work.

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… Alphys DOES know that Toriel exists. Toriel has opened the Ruins door before, and specifically visited Alphys both for her phone, and delivering the Fallen Vegetoids. Alphys even knows that Sans called Toriel to the Asgore showdown instead of Papyrus.

It doesn’t make sense that Alphys wouldn’t know who Toriel is. I believe she and Papyrus are both playing dumb. They’re working together to test Frisk

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The Waterfall Glyphs are quite clear: https://youtu.be/lOC2MdcKN4M?t=264 >>*And an incredible power would be needed to take the SOUL of a living monster.
 * This power has no counter.
 * Indeed, a human cannot take a monster’s SOUL.
 * When a monster dies, its SOUL disappears.

The Waterfall Glyphs specifically state that, while difficult, in theory a SOUL *can* be removed from a living monster.

Alphys injected monsters with Determination and waited for them to die.. But they never did.

Alphys never attempted to take the SOUL from a living monster… … like Gaster did.

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Are you really sure that Mettaton only has 9 viewers? Or was that comedy?

He made a media empire for himself, after all. Complete with a hotel. And a LOT of people called in at the end.

As you pointed out, there are about 666 monsters minimum down there. Probably more. And Mettaton is the premiere star in the Underground.

My point is that I think it’s impossible that neither Muffet nor any member of his numerous spiders would recognize Mettaton’s unchanging voice as the one who hired her.

I admit that claiming Gaster hired Muffet is one of the weaker parts in my theories.

But then again, when Mettaton claimed to have hired all the people who attacked Frisk, he might not have known about Muffet the Mercenary.

This is a game mystery where knowing what each of the characters know, and how what they know influences their actions.

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The Redacted Sprite could be a shapeshifted form of Gaster. We know for a fact that he does shapeshift, we see it happen when he gets surprised. His body is gluey, like an Amalgamate, and he seems to be a combination of two creatures.

The sprite that watches Frisk take the apron in Hotland looks a bit like the Core Mercenaries.. But isn’t a perfect match.

You’d think if it was a mercenary, it would attack. But instead, it’s just watching Frisk, clearly interested in him.. But refusing to attack him *personally*.

Gaster never attacks Frisk directly. Either he’s cooking up some kind of plan.. Or he’s actually worried about how that fight might go. From experience, possibly.

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Gaster’s Head in his follower’s hand can’t be a skeleton head, because it doesn’t look like a skeleton head, it looks like a fleshy talking human head.

Which is super creepy, because not only is the head saying these words, but it’s also Gaster’s head.

Perhaps the Followers are part of him? Or he’s infected them with parts of himself?

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The Elevator voice sounded very confident, like a mastermind. Yet Flowey was still surprised when all the other monsters showed up.

It hasn’t been a long time since Flowey and Frisk talked. Yet the Elevator voice says it’s been a long time.

This voice belongs to someone other than Flowey. And if Flowey is using it, he’s either mimicing someone else (his personal knowledge wouldn’t change though) … or someone else is speaking THROUGH HIM.

Regardless of how this voice talks to Frisk, his entire experience in the True Lab is negative, filled with horrors and memories. And the elevator ride up is very rough.

I get a feeling of determined malice from the Elevator Voice. Which then uses the goodlike power of Hyperdeath Asriel to make Frisk’s live a literal hell.

Something happened between them. And Gaster has a bone to pick with Frisk.