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Monster technology is anime made real, and far more advanced than anything the average human has above. Only a truly mad genius would have the ability to create such wonders, and horrors, in equal proportion.

The very scientist who developed Determination Extraction in the first place. The revered Wingding Gaster.

Gaster’s followers tell the story:

Alphys might work faster, but Asgore waited a long time to hire a new Royal Scientist because Gaster was such a hard act to follow. Asgore was so enamored by Gaster that he let WD direct most of the monster economy into building the massive Core complex, with all of its inner peculiarities, to Gaster’s exacting design.

One day his life was cut short, as he fell into his very creation as his experiments went wrong, in a manner that still exists because Gaster Follower 2 wonders if Alphys will end up the same way. Gaster must have fallen into the time/space portal, still operating in the Core after all these years. Alphys learned how to build the Determination Extraction machine from blueprints she found in Core, it would make sense if her dimensional research was inspired by Gaster’s legacy as well.

Gaster Follower 3 confirms Gaster’s brilliance, then says it's rude to talk about “someone who’s listening”. Something of Gaster does linger beyond death, in the form of a ghost.

The hidden door leads to The Mystery Man, a sprite long suspected to be Gaster, a strange amalgamation of two faces fused together, with a face that appears to have undergone some Determination Melting. Unlike most other sprites in the game, the Mystery Man has no collision detection, and Frisk can repeatedly walk right through him. It’s only when you try to interact with this figure that it seemingly wakes up, and fades away in front of your eyes, making this a ghost for certain.

While the identity of this figure has never been confirmed, there’s a powerful reason why I do believe this is Gaster. But the evidence is a massive spoiler that I need to hold onto for a little bit longer.

So Gaster was a brilliant scientist who transformed the technology of the monster world into something that surpassed even the human world. It’s easy to see why so many monsters would choose to follow this charismatic, brilliant man of destiny, when Asgore himself was a fan. And again, even if the monsters didn’t know it, Gaster *was* a human. The Man Who Speaks in Hands who came from The Other World, who’s still around as a ghost, that the River Person tells us to beware.

There’s more evidence for Gaster being human than just his talking human head in Gaster Follower #1’s hand. He was the pioneer of Determination Research.. At a time BEFORE Chara or any of the other known humans fell into the Underground.

The fountain in the lobby of Mettaton’s apartment-complex-turned-hotel reads “Royal Memorial Fountain / Built 201X / Mettaton Added last week”. Mettaton is very clearly alive, so his own golden effigy, installed last week, was not the original statue that was created to honor someone who died.

And the original statue was NOT of Asriel. Not only would Asgore and monsterkind never allow Mettaton to deface a tribute to their fallen Prince with his own water-puking effigy in such a tasteless manner, but this memorial fountain was made before Chara even fell into the Underground.

Chara confirms in the genocide route that the date on Asgore’s old calendar “from the end of 201X” is the date she arrived at New Home. Which would mean Chara fled her village around Christmas, 2019, a terrible time to be depressed. Since Chara and Asriel spent some time growing up together, the date of their doomed buttercup adventure must reside a few years into 202X. Yet the memorial fountain was built for someone who died before this time.

And the Waterfall fountain wasn’t the one that Mettaton’s statue replaced, since in her phone calls Undyne says that Statue’s been there forever, and nobody knows where it came from. The figured at the base of it are strangely dry. There’s a deeper mystery here, but not the one we’re looking for.

There’s no indication that Asgore, the immortal King of the monsters whose son never really had a chance to grow up, wasn’t the original King at the time of the war with humans and the creation of the Barrier. Long-lived Gerson the turtle remembers those days, and we never hear about anyone within the Royal Circles dying during the game. With the lone exception… of the beloved Royal Scientist Wingding Gaster.

If this memorial was constructed to the time-traveling Gaster.. It means that Gaster’s “accident”, quote unquote, happened at time before Chara fell into the Underground. At a time before any documented humans were known to have visited the Underground.

And yet, somehow, Gaster was still able to conduction his ground-breaking research on Determination Extraction.. At a time when he shouldn’t have had access to any captured human SOULS that produced the stuff.

Which means.. Gaster must have had a different source of Determination at this time. Either extracting it from Sans.. or himself. Which proves there must have been at least one human hiding in the Underground, pretending to be a monster, if not more.

The memorial statue was to someone the monsters felt was important.. But not so important that they minded it being replaced. No member of the royal family would get such disrespect. And Gaster did design the Core a long time before Alphys took his place, with resonates with Asgore’s 201X calendar being “old”.