Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31066439-20170116175126/@comment-27701762-20170116211218

This idea is a bit of a non-sequitur. You say that most people think the Golden Flowers are buttercups, and whether it is true that most people think this or not, it definitely is not true. And we don't need to point to any aspect of flower physiology to prove this, though I suppose it can help a bit.

But "the Golden Flowers are not buttercups" has no bearing on the conclusion of "Gaster was involved in the determination experiments."

In point of fact, there is no evidence that Gaster ever gets anywhere beyond simply creating the basic idea of extracting determination and the method: there is a set of blueprints for making the DT Extraction Machine, which are "used" to build the machine. So if Gaster built it, then he got the blueprints from someone else, but there is nothing to suggest that someone preceded Gaster, so it makes much more sense that Alphys built it, using blueprints left behind by Gaster.

But taking it a step further to suggest that Gaster was specifically trying to bring back Asriel and Chara doesn't make sense, since there is absolutely nothing to suggest that. At no point do the True Lab entries suggest that the first Golden Flower is chosen for the sake of bringing back the children. It is never given even the slightest bit of thought. If this was the specific purpose of the experiments (as opposed to, say, trying to find a way to break the Barrier, as the entries state), then why is that purpose never mentioned, hinted at, or even given the slightest moment of thought?