Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20190617222636/@comment-26006155-20190703124742

If the memorial fountain wasn't built to honor anyone in particular, why would they date the plaque? Surely the date of the Departed would be more important than when the fountain was built? And why call it a Memorial fountain if it was a generic fountain that wasn't built for anyone?

Regards of what the human year is above, the Monster Year is always used down in the Underground, in the cut scenes like the beginning, and in Ralsei's guidebook. But since modern cell phones and anime DVDs are falling into the junk piles from above, the human world above the Underground seems comparable to our own real world level of technology. If there is a calendar year discrepancy between the humans and monsters, it can't be severe.

And since we always use the Monster Calendar, all the dates are still locked relative to each other. Which means Chara arrived at The End of 201X, and Spring 2020 still stands as the earliest possible time of her death.

When I said "Chara is the first known human to have visited the Underground in the modern age", I was taking the Evacuation of Home into account. Where the monsters, for some reason, felt the need to leave the Ruins to avoid attacks, even though it was inside the Barrier.

This goes way back to the Human-Monster Hybrid theory we talked about months ago. Where I theorized that The Seven Human Wizards were able to use magic, like Mew Mew, because they had monster ancestry. The same way descendents of your friend Kanashi might have a trace of human energy in them from their ancestor who absorbed a human soul. And might have become the first Boss Monsters because of it.

Hybrids might have had SOULs powerful enough to pass the Barrier, leaving The Seven Mages a convient loophole where *they* could visit the Underground and return, but nobody else could. And prompt the monsters to retreat to New Home.

However, the point I'm making is that Gaster was able to study Determination before Chara arrived, and before Asgore had collected any souls from the six humans who followed her.

Regardless of when he made the blueprints, Gaster would have had to have studied Determination at some point, either in the Underground or his world back home, in order to make blueprints for a working DE Extractor. So either Gaster and Sans were humans themselves, and used their own energy for Gaster's research, or Gaster and Sans came from a world of humans where they could have studied Determination beforehand.

Either way, Gaster learned about Determination without using Chara's or any of Asgore's collected souls to do it. Which means Gaster has had previous exposure to humans. And likely used to be a human himself.

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Why don't the Gaster Followers make sense?

Many of them disappeared in front of our eyes in Undertale. Especialy Clam Girl, who turned grey in front of our eyes, and then vanished. And it seems color versions of these creatures exist in Deltarune.

Perhaps they're performing a timeline/dimensional warp, and leaving this timeline for another?

It might even work into your theory that Deltarune is related to the Darkest Experiment. It could be that Deltarune is actually the Alpha Timeline, a world The Ghost of Alpha Gaster conqurered and bend to his will. And then Alpha Gaster could have re-invaded the Beta timeline, just like how Giygas re-invaded worlds where he'd been erased in the Hack?

Almost all the Beta Timeline monsters would revere Gaster, gathering followers would be easy.

And it's possible, if Sans did disrupt The Darkest Experiment in the Alpha Timeline, that the monsters left behind after Alpha Sans and Alpha Papyrus warped to the past didn't realize what Gaster had tried to do, and wrote it off as an accident?

And as a ghost, Alpha Gaster would be something Neither Human Nor Monster, be able to absorb the six human souls into himself directly.. and add them to his own human soul to gain the power of a God.. personally.

Forget Flowey. Alpha Gaster would be a much more frightening opponent.

With a personal axe to grind against Sans.. and his earlier incarnation Frisk.

And his choice of personal, creative Hells to prepare for him.

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While Chara would have had a chance to meet Alpha Gaster and Alpha Sans during the original unaltered timeline, I don't see how Chara could have met Gaster during the Beta timeline where San's warp to the past triggered Beta Gaster's early death.

Chara's interaction with Sans and Gaster in the Alpha Timeline is still a large question mark.

Although if both Gaster and Alphys created Flowey in their respective timelines, perhaps Chara and Asriel met their flowery doom in the Alpha Timeline too.

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While Asriel tracked the very first golden flowers back to the Royal Garden from the surface world, The Royal Garden existed before this time. So Chara would have had a supply of buttercups inside the Barrier.

Flowey was the first golden flower that sprouted after Asriel's death. Not the first flower in the garden.

Here's Gaster Follower #1: https://youtu.be/3C1cvPaaoiU?t=6

It doesn't look like a skeleton head in the Follower's hand. It looks like a fleshy human head with a touch of hair. And the head is talking as the Follower talks, so it's actually talking about itself.

"I'm holding a piece of him right here."

From everything we've seen, a human head makes sense. Even if it seems strangely smaller than Frisk's own head. But I don't think Gaster's humanity was supposed to be obvious.