Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31981697-20170722123329/@comment-32182236-20170802201432

1)Correct. There is only one way to explain why they lost it-And that would be if they didn't mean to. But if they didn't mean to, they could have easily reloaded. Case in point-The humans couldn't SAVE and LOAD. It's the only way to explain this problem. As for Chara's stuff, alright then! Now we have seven sets of items. Here they are, ranked by their usefulness:

Red (Chara)>Yellow>Green>Purple>Blue>Orange>Cyan

Chara died first, obviously. For someone to drop Yellow's stuff, they would have to find Chara's stuff. So, Yellow drops their stuff because they found Chara's stuff, and makes it all the way to New Home. After Yellow loses to Asgore, he puts Chara's stuff where it belongs-Why it's neatly set up the way we see it.

Where did Yellow find Chara's stuff? It would have to be where the green item was found, because that's why the green human would drop their stuff earlier-Because they found Yellow's stuff. So.. How did it get to the dump? One could argue that the dump is where Chara's stuff was found-But then why didn't any of the humans afterwards pick it up? Was Yellow the last human before Frisk? If so, then why didn't Green pick it up earlier? We know their stuff was found PAST the dump, so they must have passed it by. And no human other than Chara themself after dying would have dropped Chara's stuff, so the first human to make it to the dump would have picked them up. And yet, Chara's stuff having been in the dump is the only explanation as for why anybody would have dropped Yellow's stuff. So it's the same problem as last time.

2)Catty and Bratty said they've been trapped for millenia at the time Frisk fell-Not that it's been millenia when Chara fell. And even at 211X, the city doesn't really look futuristic. So, that can only mean the town was abandoned. Maybe that's why we don't see any humans in the True Pacifist Ending credits. Though it also brings back the possibility of the game happening after 211X. The midevial period didn't really end until 1485-And even during the Renassaince, there were still kings, and probably weapons like seen in the war. So the war could have happened, say, 450-600 years before 201X. The year itself also isn't accurate to history. In 201X, cell phones had no texting features? Even in 2010 there was texting. Plus "201X" is supposed to be an actual year, the calendar flat-out shows it as one. So, the monster calendar is vastly different from our own. Perhaps the "X" means "extra"? Their number system itself can't be different, as we still use GOLD in decimal format.

3)They're not a demon when they're alive. But what about the soulless being you see at the end of the Genocide Route?! I'm sure someone destroying the world and then trying to take Frisk's SOUL pretty much sets things up. Selling your soul to a demon..

3.1)Insult is not one of the options to choose from. Remember, HUD is canon. Frisk doesn't "refuse" to insult Snowdrake's mother. Of COURSE you can't insult Snowdrake's Mother! Next time, use a real example!

4)What makes you think Sans' behavior is dismissable?! It's NOT dismissable! He's a very important part of the game! What Sans does is important, and we can't just dismiss it like it's nothing. Evidence should not be ignored. At all. And you're dismissing an entire character. He's important, we need to keep him in the game! And no, it's not the monsters making the box. That's the HUD doing it. The box is the same size in every encounter, with two exceptions.

1-When you push it up in Papyrus's battle.

2-When Sans alters the box himself in his battle. (His final attack)

The monsters are the ones attacking your SOUL directly with magic, though.

5)Yes, there is someting going on-The fact that he teleports in the first place. Every time he teleports, it's off-screen. Every single time. The one time we ACTUALLY see him teleport, the screen turns black, so we don't see how he did it. Just as it turns back during his "shortcuts". Also, he does stare at Frisk, during the Genocide Ending. And if we take every spot he's been in, he's usually in a spot where directly behind him is a wall, of a cliff. Not much there. He looks forward, to have the most view, for when Frisk arrives. Now for a response to the theory you linked:

Where do we get anyone saying Sans has the ability to manipulate "doors"? (If the theory is true, that also means Undertale being a game is canon as well, and that the code itself is canon, as it would be abused by Sans. We'd ACTUALLY get a Glitchtale scenario. Why can't this be similar to Ness' ability to teleport? It also involves running a while, before arriving somewhere else.

Look, the Gaster part of the theory is a good story, and I do believe the Gaster timeline was a different timeline, and the part about FUN as well (Fundamental Universe Number)-And these three followers would be different shards of Gaster's existence. And Sans stopping Gaster from comming a Genocide Run, after learning how he was corrupted by the LOVE of monsters.. Well.. If Gaster reset, wouldn't his LV would be reset as well? That's how it works for us! Still, I don't deny that he might start by trying to commit Genocide just to see what happens, and Sans destroying the machine before EVERYTHING would end. But there's no evidence to suggest the code is canon. Unlike the HUD and SAVEs, there's nobody who shows knolwedge that they're in a video game. Closest you'll get is Asriel saying that to YOU, it's just a game.

5.1(5.2)-We're debating about whether the PLAYER is a being of their own within the game, or if they're just Frisk. Once again, what about literally every character ever in a game with branching paths?

Also, the Asriel quote REALLY hints that Frisk is the player, and Asriel is AWARE that Frisk is "the player".

"This is all just a GAME to you. If you "win", you won't want to "play" with me anymore."

6)That just so happen to change your SOUL to match a trait. And your SOUL color actually does depend on your trait, as evidenced by the SOULS in Omega Flowey. And even still, there sre only seven SOUL colors. Why is this? Because seven traits exist, at least that determine your SOUL color. We know from the BALL game that each color defines a trait, and know what six of them are from it.