Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-27677820-20160131035943/@comment-25799546-20160226031345

SilentClimber wrote:

It's an interesting idea. (The answer is for the whole post btw, it's just that there's no need to quote everything)

{However, Flowey tried to go home because he wanted to become his former self again, how he was inside at least. He was uncaring with his parents from the moment they met again and even annoyed by their presence, he abandoned them as soon as he found out his plan was not working. It was a selfish attitude, he was freaked out by his lack of feelings and just wanted to turn back }(Point 1), {I don't remember he saying to Chara that he made an effort to be good even if he couldn't feel anything because it would be the right thing to do.}(Point 2)

About souls, since I happen to be in the true lab I will just write here what we learn there:

{"ENTRY NUMBER 3

But extracting a SOUL from a living monster would require incredible power...

Besides being impractical, doing so would instantly destroy the SOUL's host.

And, unlike the persistent SOULs of humans...

The SOULs of most monsters disappear immediately upon death.

If only I could make a monster's SOUL last..."

It seems the souls really disappear, and leave nothing to Alphys work with.}(Point 3)

{However, there's something else. I'm not going to quote the game again because I'm lazy, but we also read there that the original plan was to inject the flower with Determination and also the monsters' souls, because neither monster or human could be a vessel for a monster soul mixed with Determination. If you check the refrigerators while the mist is still there, Frisk will find all kinds of weird stuff where they were supposed to be. He finds something "Warm and moist", something "in the shape of a man" and even what appears to be a tree with ripe fruits. With the mist gone, you find the refrigerators with "samples" inside. Alphys did it, she collected the monsters' souls using Determination as a vessel by itself, she even had some poor souls captive and ready to use when you get to the lab.

Well then, could it be that Flowey got filled not only with Determination but also with some of those deformed souls? And what could be the implications of this? Although I don't believe your theory to be correct, it's an interesting thought that never ocurred to me before. :)}(Point 4) Point 1: (I'm going to put some theory here. But I'm really tired... Just give me a sec. Will be right back.)

Point 2: I don't think I said anything about that...

 Point 3:  We are not sure if Alphys really had a way to detect SOULs, however let's consider that if she did have a way to find out, for the sake of the argument. Then Asriel's SOUL might be a special case. As Asriel's SOUL might be the only known non-boss monster to have absorbed a human SOUL(a.k.a. Chara's), then it is entirely possible that it may be able to persist for longer(With Chara's SOUL as a binding agent). Asriel's SOUL might be able to last longer than most boss-class monsters' SOUL.

My guess on this is that when Alphys injected the DETERMINATION into Flowey, it woke Chara's SOUL from it dorminant state. Yet, it fused the two SOULs together, somehow causing a mixture of Chara's apathy and Asriel's memories. But when Frisk reached out to him, Asriel was able to shunt away the personalities of Chara and retake his body.(The mass abundance of monster SOULs might have also diluted the effect of Chara's SOUL on Asriel and caused him to revert.)

(I know Chara appeared in the Genocide Route, but it is implied that Chara didn't have a SOUL.)

If Alphys didn't have a way and only did so by looking, the answer is even more simple. As I said, Asriel's SOUL is shattered and stuck with the dust, and I'm not even sure if any monster could sense it anymore.

Point 4: (Again. I'm tired. Just give me a little time and I should have something whipped up.)

I know that all of you guys who support the notion that Asriel is evil, or saying that he is not as good as he seems might argue, but here is a question to you.

Why did Asriel revert back to Flowey, except to punish himself?

As shown in Neutral Endings, Flowey is able to overide Frisk's SAVE files and corrupt/destroy them. Unless we all agree that Asriel has a ulterior motive(Which doesn't applies. Why turn back to Flowey's measly SAVE file powers when you have the power of a god?), then I don't understand why Asriel would like to revert himself back to a dangerous creature who has no feelings?

There are two answers to this. Either he knew that his SOUL will remain(Which conforms to my theory. He might have lied in the True Pacificist Ending just to let Frisk forget him, due to guilt, and live a secluded life as Flowey.) And second, he did it because he knew it was the right thing to do. He can't possess all the SOULs of the monsters.

And sociopaths don't work like this actually. A person's actions are defined solely by his memories, and memories could be altered. Say, if I give a sociopath a drug which can make them temporarily feel love and caring, and the drug only has a few minutes of working time. After the drug wears off, the sociopath remembers the love and caring they experienced. And then it would define their actions from then on. They remember the feeling of it.(Possibly that you have reformed Chara's SOUL as well as Asriel's, as they are fused together... At least in my theory. It is unconfirmed though. Psychology is an extremely hard to understand subject.)

One more question. Has it occured to you that why Flowey is such a special case when injected with artifical DT? The Amalgamates melted, and yet only Flowey persisted. A flower at it own already has the will to live (And therefore DETERMINATION is already present), and injecting more into it just doesn't make it suddenly talk.(Unless you say that talking actually makes survival easier.) There has to be some driving force behind.

Will reply to Cookies in another post.