Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-39385741-20200106144455/@comment-27136653-20200107060122

@SuperMarioGuy4

I wasn't even being harsh at the beginning, I was just stating facts. Near the end however, I said all of that deliberately, because I felt like joking around a little bit on that day.

But you have raised an interesting point. You said you do not think that DT is a power, you said that it's a trait, like any other trait, for example kindness... despite the fact that determination HAS been stated to be a power by the game, and in fact, the most powerful one of all!

So regardless of how you spin it, making Frisk slightly more determined than the other humans really presents no logical reason. So tell me again, why are you doing this? I know most people don't think about it that much when they say it, but I wanna know what exactly they find "wrong" about the well-established theory that DT is yellow, that all kids had it, and that Frisk was the first one to not get smited down by Asgore not because of their DT, but because of Asgore's own weakness.

When you make the red trait be DT, do you mean determination itself, as in, the power, or do you mean some totally other, non-canon determination? As far as I know, there is only one kind of DT in the game, so indeed, giving Frisk more does make them more powerful, because DT is a power, first and foremost.

And I still don't understand why exactly you did it. You said you simply "wanted" to do it... but why?

Look, let's assume that their trait is indeed DT.

...

Okay, now what.

What does that give us? I don't see anything.

Since there are no hints in the game that this might be Frisk's UNIQUE power, it gives us literally nothing. On the other hand, if Frisk's trait is for example "being yourself", as the ball game stated, then that at least matches the ball game. In other words, it aligns with some direct in-game evidence. Your assumption however aligns with nothing. It merely aligns with the pattern of Frisk's journey that we now know was the same for all the other humans too.

... Unless, of course, you dismiss that pattern. But the default assumption should be that Toriel indeed got a deja vu, not that she was reminded of Chara, because it aligns with the experiences of the other main characters when they meet you again post-reset.

So, to wrap this up, the reason I stopped believeing in the red = DT theory is the following:

- there aren't two kinds of DT, so explicitly giving Frisk a "DT soul" does make them a bit of a special snowflake / mary sue

- I saw that there exists an alternative path of reasoning, one that takes us from red to yellow, and from "only Frisk" to "all 7 children"

- as the red = DT theory really had no path of reasoning of its own in light of this new path, I've decided to switch to the now more probable theory

- in other words, the default assumption that had no merit behind it (and was kinda crappy anyways because it made Frisk "speshl") got superseded by a fact-based theory; that's the entire story

Please, if YOUR path of reasoning has ANY proof behind it, OTHER THAN dismissing the proof behind my path (i.e. all humans have DT bUt FrIsK hAs MoRe, and Toriel was jUsT rEmEmBeRiNg ChArA), then again, I'm all ears.

Also, one more thing. When you said:

"It doesn't have to be slightly stronger. It just has to be > 1 and < 7."

That's literally what I meant too. By "slightly", I literally meant 1 < X < 7.