Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-32182236-20170602170443/@comment-27089028-20170725211839

TheHumanAmbassador wrote: What do we use thise things for? Cooking. Ovens and microwaves do the same thing! Why not just do that? Perhaps we could just ban fires.. Near flammable buildings. That would still prevent all fires, and allow us to use it a little more.

Except I'm convinced such a failsafe simply doesn't, and cannot exist. Can you think of a good failsafe? (Make sure to use Undertale's mechanics) When you come up with it, say what it is, and I'll look for flaws. Also, we already have a way to have peace-Just make another barrier! Both races can live in peace! The barrier was the goal of the humans the whole time:Why do you think we actually ACCEPTED the monsters' surrender? Oh, by the way, this time, let's not forget to add the other side of the barrier. Don't want a human falling down Mt. Ebott and killing everyone there, or freeing the monsters. Because there are bad humans too. We're not all innocent like monsters think they are.

They have peace already! In the Underground! And, I do NOT believe they were trying to achieve regular freedom-They WANTED to kill humanity. Frisk may or may not have changed their mind about that, but it doesn't change the fact that somebody, monster or human, WILL try to destroy everybody. (Yes, a human could cause the end too. By killing a Boss Monster and taking its SOUL. Humans don't know whether or not that would have unfathomable power, as it has never happened before, but it's best not to take the risk.)

While it is true that Asgore did this out of blind anger, and did not truly wish to fight (He didn't really want to kill Frisk), when he said that, the monsters, filled with hope, wanted this to happen, and for real! ESPECIALLY Undyne!! Asgore might have not wanted to declare war, but once he did, the monsters went along with it. But they were sincere about it, unlike Asgore. (Especially Undyne) They didn't try to make peace with the humans whatsoever, the plan was to kill them all. The only possible exception (other than Asgore of course) is Alphys, but she more than likely just wanted to break the barrier earlier to start the war earlier. And no, Toriel was not an exception. She wanted to start the war even sooner by doing what Chara tried to do. She was more than likely disgusted by the sheer stupidity of Asgore's plan. (I mean, Toriel's plan would be more beneficial to what the monsters wanted. If Toriel's plan was used, humans would probably be dead.) Fire safety and the future of an entire race are not equivalent.

This is a world where time travel, resurrection and magic you'll forgive me if I find your claim that a solution cannot exist rather hollow. Your solution is segregation...well to say that I don't exactly find your solution thrilling would be an understatement.

Yet it took one child to change both Asgore and Undyne, the whole point of Undertale is that with a little bit of determination and mercy nothing is impossible.

Well I'm sorry but I do not share that belief because there are plenty of Monsters who clearly want nothing to do with a war, if you're going to try and convince me Monsters like Napstablook wanted war you might as well tell me Mettaton has stage fright. Also, why are you worrying about an evil human stealing Monster souls, 1 Human soul is worth more than all the Monster souls in terms of power.

Look, I understand where you're coming from you're trying to prevent the worst case scenario by stopping it from ever existing in the first place but have you ever stopped to consider that by doing that you're creating the problem? No progress of a species was ever made by not taking risks, not once in the history of humanity and that still stands. You're right in that something needs to be done to ensure that a rogue Monster Frisk didn't encounter doesn't try to become a God but segregation is not the answer, you'll just be undoing everything the True Pacifist Ending stood for.