Thread:Rafip/@comment-28517148-20170827134615/@comment-28517148-20171128091911

If it's not good for you, you explain how monsters have lasers and all the tech they do Yes, monsters do have some tech, but we can't be sure how many of them are their orginal inventions and which ones have been found on garbage dump and adapted by them to improve their tech or being improved by them. Yes, they do have VHS tapes, but Undyne, a grown up person, still isn't sure if anime is real, which means monsters aren't making it. It came from the Surface. General problem with magic is it hasn't been defined neither in reality nor in the game. This means magic as term can mean everything and nothing in the same time. Talking about magic while it doesn't have definition is just pure specuating. That's why I avoid to use this it or talk about it. There are no logical arguments to use with or against magic. Using magic as argument terminates the discussion. Alphys is merely speculating here I consider Alphys' words as certainty even if they sound like assumption - I don't feel like ASGORE's watched them... Otherwise, every time when someone displays even a hint of uncertainty we could take it as not true, for example: I believe this is what gives their SOULs the strength to persist after death - she only believes instead being sure or checking it like a scientist should do, so it can be taken as not true that this is what gives their SOULs the strength to persist after death. What happens after the 25-30 years anyway? I don't know. I just took this real life fact as limit of VHS usability. If you're going to bring in metaphysics of the SOUL in this world, then I agree that we probably shouldn't talk about it. I am just concerned about discussing a major matter while we are already talking about the other one. It is like making offtop when you already offtoping. But I must to say that I don't need metaphysics. The game gives enough hints to understand how the in game Soul works and what it is.

And finally - it doesn't matter how many flowers there are. The only thing that matters is that flower sprayed with Asriel's essence that grew out of from seed he brought from village is still just a regular flower: it germinates, blooms and finally wilts and rots, which means it dies and isn't a flower anymore and becomes unusable. And all of this happiens in limited range of time - in this case it is life span of that flower. The experiment with DT injection must be done before this happiens, before the flower wilts, otherwise Flowey will not be created. I estimate it is several months, still enough to throw some kids into Underground and do some weird experiments, but it definitely isn't 100 years or more. Flowers do not last that long. I'll stick with what.