Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20190617222636/@comment-32182236-20190624232657

...Perhaps I should have been more to the point.

It doesn't make sense for Deltarune to be the story of what broke Chara, and turned them into a compassionless being, if Kris was ALREADY evil before the events of the game, and we're forcing them to be good.

In the Dark World, Kris, Susie, and Ralsei are basically heroes. Kris spearheads a revolution against KING, and is seen as a hero to the Dark World. Susie, the only person bullying Kris, is now no longer a bully, so bullying can't be their supposed descent into madness, because it ended before the descent even began! If you're going to argue that Kris was ALREADY mad, like the evidence supposes, then you're forced to accept the conclusion of that as well-We're not seeing the descent into madness, because the story begins AFTER "Chara" is already bad.

Now, the Ball of Junk matches the description of the items Kris had in the Dark World. The items we see in the unused classroom also match that of the Dark World. So it's clear that the Dark World was somehow a creation of the light world..

We can choose to make Kris throw it away as well, though our narrator (whom I think is the real counterpart of Chara, rather than Kris) says that "you" don't want to. Dataminers and hackers might have shown that doing this deletes your inventory in the Dark World. (I'm not sure if these claims are reliably true.)

As for reversals, a lizard that some speculate is Alphys made a review claiming that Mew Mew Kissy Cutie 2 is the better anime series.. And she watched it first. Could it be that Alphys' reason of liking the first in Undertale was because she watched THAT one first? ...So could Alphys' judgements on Mew Mew Kissy Cutie.. be a result of nostalgia?

Nasptablook's personality is the same as always.. Check out the library to see their writing. Hots Fireguy made a book to help you remember his name... Gerson is still a historian, but he made a fictional series as well-The Lord of the Hammer.

If this really is the monsters taking the role of humans, then that places Gerson as J.K. Tolkein for sure. Dating Chara's fall at around 1954. Hey, can you analyze the cars and try and find out what time period they correspond to? If other people on the thread want to do the same, go for it! If it happens to match cars from the 1950s...

Chara's fall was dated at "201X", but that was using the monster calendar system. We know that Chara's fall was a long time ago by the time Frisk falls, but when we see the Surface, the place doesn't look futuristic at all. None of the fallen children have futuristic material either, though the monsters do.

...By the way, Chara tripped on a vine to fall underground. Are those things even around in winter? Perhaps Chara didn't fall in the winter..? And the proof of Chara not dying in 201X is gone, meaning Asriel and Chara are back up as candidates for the statue?

Back to the topic at hand, though. Chara's fall was probably not in what we would call the present day. A village went out to kill him, and Asriel was struck. Blow after blow. Not shot after shot. They were not attacking with guns, like how it would be usual to do so in the modern day, but with blunt weapons.

201X to the monsters is not 201X to humans. They're two different years. I'll continue to call it 201X, but please note that this doesn't mean it's in OUR present. In fact, I'd argue it's in the distant past.

And it's up to you historians to find out exactly WHEN it was that Chara fell. Many historians place the war at around the Middle Ages, given the armor and weapons used in the war. Try doing something similar with everything we know about Chara and Asriel's story. Trace back the year that Chara fell, from the HUMAN'S perspective. I believe it was around the 1400s, from pure statistics, meaning that we had a village of Native Americans attacking Asriel. But if you have reason to push Chara's fall to the 1950s, I'd like to hear it, and an explanation of why the monsters didn't know about any humans that fell prior to Chara, or why Chara would logically be the first human to fall.