Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31371445-20170222233857/@comment-31536324-20180710012050

"Could you all just stop replying to me? I'm trying to talk to TheHumanAmbassador over here. It's impossible when peeps take the stuff I say in deep context out of all context and then question the eff I'm on about."

I've been reading through the entirety of this thread, and have even been a part of it for a little while now. So, no, you have no ground to say this whatsoever.

"That's right. I have no intentions to continue this discussion with you, or anyone except for TheHumanAmbassador. I didn't ask you people to join us. No one did. You just came here, and now you're all expecting me to answer you.

KINDLY READ THIS ENTIRE THREAD FOR CONTEXT, WOULD YOU? (Sarcasm, obviously. I am not expecting you to actually do it.)"

I did, in fact I joined in earlier if you actually recall, and have been periodically jumping back in at points. How about you go in front of a mirror, tell yourself that non-sarcastically, and then follow that advise.

"Cool. Story. Bro.

/dabs/"

Nice to see that you've given up all credibility simply for the chance to be "hip" with the kids.

"Please don't. Spare me your discourse. I am trying to defend myself, but soon, I'll just give up altogether, and you'll have to be satisfied with no questions of yours answered altogether."

Since when does immaturity and trolling count as defending?

"Yeah. Game rules = it's a game. This discussion happened a year ago already, between me and THC. It's been settled (by a disagreement), and that's what I'm going with. I won't discuss this with you. I'm serious. I won't. It's over. That thread had something like 200 thousand words and led to nothing. I'm not starting another one."

Again, Alternate Universe.

"Kindly write them out then. Every single one of them. Describe motion, gravity, electromagnetism, quantum events, create mathematical formulas that merge magic and buttons, or magic and physical matter for that matter. I dare you."

1. I am not a scientist working at a university.

2. We see these laws and rules as we play the game, your above statement is nothing but trying to explain how they work.

"By occam's razor, I declare that if it looks like a game, it is a game. Or, as one may put it, a Matrix parody. Yeah. Undertale isn't a world, it's just like in the movie Matrix, it's a simulated reality."

Our world =/= The world of Undertale.

"Not always, you are right in that. But I'd say most of the time it does. It's a logical conclusion after all."

1. Can you perhaps give references, proof, and instances of the "most of the time" aspect of this statement?

2. And the reason this can't be one of these "not all of the time" instances is because?

"Like, the HELL is your problem with simulated realities? Why are you so scared of them? So what IF Undertale is happening in a simulated reality? WHAT IF?"

I have no problem with it, I do like the Matrix after all. But there's the simple fact that such a thing is NEVER ONCE spoken, commented, nor hinted, or even suggested within the game itself. And that's the thing "WHAT IF", it would make a good AU, but it's so clearly not what's intended by canon.

"And I very much do understand the concept of parallel universes. I can imagine the things that could be different. Perhaps, the speed of light could be different. There could be different fundamental interactions between the particles, different quantum values for atoms (if atoms are even a thing in such universes).

But I cannot fathom the idea of a rectangular glowing box with text layed over it somehow making any sense with such simplistic rules. A much better explanation for such occurence WOULD be the pixels of a computer screen."

Then you've contradicted yourself here, because you're blatantly admitting here that you, in fact, do not understand the basic concepts of a parallel/alternate universe.

"Funnily, my head canon is that while WE see the game as a game, the meta stuff is actually not real in that world, and that everything can be explained in it without utilizing the battle interface, or stats."

In other words, "Ignore canon elements actually mentioned, referenced, and spoken of as real things in the games world for my fanon!"

"If your head canon is, that it's still looks the same for those characters, but despite the obvious macro-scale quantized values giving strong hints that their world behaves according to programmed principles, they are oblivious to it for some unknown divine reason, that's no business of mine."

No, my interpretation is exactly what I said prior. That the world is a world of its own, and naturally operates on game-like mechanics. Not that the world in and of itself, as it's own existence, is a game or simulation. It is a world with ITS OWN LAWS AND RULES THAT ARE DIFFERENT TO OURS. THE BASIC CONCEPT OF AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE!

"It rather falls into the Matrix category. Except with even more numbers and whatnot."

No it doesn't, the fact that Undertale is a game is NEVER, and I mean NEVER, brought up in the game itself. Nor is any implication that it is anything like the Matrix, operates on coding and digital language, or made up of pixels ever brought up, hinted at, or suggested. For someone who keeps trying to separate fanon from canom, you sure do love mixing the two simply for the sake of your own arguments.

(NOBODY BUT THC REPLY TO THIS, BEG YOU ALL, FFS)

I'm going to reply.

"They were not expecting a non-magical attack? Maybe they weren't accustomed to it. I just find your explanation too cheesy for my taste. It's either all meta or no meta for me."

Wow. "Too cheesy", brilliant argument, on par with Ensteins theory of relativity. Also, "It's either all meta or no meta for me," says the person who keeps using Toby, or something being a mistake OF Toby's, as an argument themselves, when the game clearly treats certain meta things as canon to the world, twist certain meta things into being canon and both representing and not representing traditional meta aspects (like the Annoying Dog = Toby, and being a game designer for example) and others as not (changing the games title and the intro).

"But why would DT (or whatever is the cause here) literally make our weapon invisible, including our entire hand? (most likely, as one could guess the landing of the hit by just observing the arm movements) Where does it say or imply that DT makes things go invisible? Kind of a stretch, don't ya think?

Unless, you think it's the slash that deals the damage and Frisk doesn't have to move an inch. Or can't, for that matter, which also applies to the monsters. In which case, I wonder, why are none of them questioning the bizarreness of the situation, of the fact that they can't move?

Yeah, why don't the monsters address this strange stuff affecting their battles in the game?"

Because it's a natural part of their world that they've accepted happens. Like gravity.

"I mean, you COULD include it, for the sake of not turning DT into an invisibility potion."

Given the scenario presented, and the information and evidence presented, THA's explanation fits most with what we see and learn from the game.