Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31536324-20190117214835/@comment-33883848-20190223193921

MysteriousMalice wrote: '"Firmness of purpose has nothing to do with this form of firmness of purpose." - MagomaevaAnima How so, why, and when was this malarky confirmed?"

I didn't mean that, i meant that in the context of ut, dt is not a "firmess of purpose"in general but specifically the firmess to change FATE and the game doesn't explicitly state which fate Alphys is talking about but given the context and dt's first definition"the will to keep living", thats likely death. That's surely a fate common to all humans, which push them to have the "resolve to change "it, which only make sence if the fate in question is death"

She was talking about fate in general. That entire spiel was about DT as a whole, not just one aspect of it. The strength to persist outside the human body and after death, the will to live, the resolve to change fate; all of these are a form of firmness of purpose

"As well as the blatantly demonstrated firmness of purpose via the Monsters."

'WTF is that again?? Where did they??? plus nothing implies the worlds destruction is really a "fate".'

First: Wow, the amount of ignorance in the second part of this is astounding.

Second: It's literally stated in the game that to spare a Monster you have to make them not want to fight you. In other words you have to lower their determination to fight.

"If one can be extracted, all can be extracted, to have the others be inextractable with no real sensible reason for such a difference makes no sense "

"But in the game ONLY dt was extracted,"

Which means nothing.

"If anything else could be extracted from souls, then Alphys would extract it."

No she wouldn't have, because she wasn't looking for anything else other than what allowed Human SOULS to persist outside the human body and after death! She knew what she was looking for, she had a machine that could extract exactly what she was looking for. DT was the only thing that mattered, the rest were inconsequential since they already had SOULS of those other traits.

"After all this make sence:personality isn't something we can extract as this is a part of a person, dt is just a feeling that can be renewed. the game only suggests that only dt can be extracted"

And where is the proof for this statement?

"And how exactly does this mean much of anything?"

Are you really that dumb seriously???? WHY DT WOOULD BE A TRAIT IF IT ALLOWS THE SOULS TO PERSIST WHILE NONE OF THE OTHER TRAITS CAN ALLOW SO????"

Because each trait has ot own unique property and power to it.

"How so, why, and when was this malarky confirmed?"

Because if the "resolve to change fate"wasnt related to death as the "will to keep living", that wouldn't allow the souls to live on after death."

How?

"SAVE goes to the most determined entity in the Underground. Humans have more DT than monsters, so it makes sense that in a land of Monsters a human would gain this ability regardless of their trait.'

WTF you all wants from me?? One is saying that Frisk's trait is dt because they have the save load power and the other one is saying it doesn't matter as all humans are more determined than monsters??"

First off, who has ever said the former at all in this thread?

Second of all, WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE SITUATION IN THE GAME, whoever is the most determined- regardless of their trait at that time - is the one who gets the ability. The kids are heavily implied to have fallen one by one at different times, and since Humans have more DT than Monsters naturally, they would get the ability to SAVE. I'm talking specifically about the situation presented in the gane, nothing else.

"Anyways there's absolutely NO reason for the save load ability to only work in the underground, after all why would it?? Especially when the barrier is destroyed?? Especially when Frisk can use it when they return to the surface in the neutral end, especially that theres really likely different variations of dt amoung humans."

I agree.

"Perseverance: You're stuck on a hard level, so you keep playing to learn every trick and trap it has, learning how to beat it as you do.'

Sign:https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/perseverance ": perseverance is an effort to do or achieve something despite difficulties, failure, or opposition : the action or condition or an instance of persevering :'

STOP WITH THOSE PERSONAL DEFINITIONS'

I'm not using personal ddfinitions, I'm wording them in a way for you to understand them. What you put is literally what I put. You've done nothing here but prove my point.

"Except they've been there since the start of the game, where we name them. It makes no sense.'

WTF?? This is what you're saying that doesnt make literally any sence as Chara is literally saying they appears multiple times when anyone call their name, not a single time when the player name them. That coincides with the fact that Frisk return to their save point or wake up when they hear Asgore calling Charas name as if it was Charas doing"

Excdpt no in is calling them, IT'S A MEMORY, THEY DO NOT HAVE THE POWER, FRISK DOES!

"No it doesn't. He was injected with it.'

youre a really desperate case. For the final time:

JUST BECAUSE HE WAS INJECTED OF DT DOENST MEAN THAT HE CANT FEEL HIS OWN DT AKA WILL TO KEEP LIVING, HE ALSO CLEARLY SAYS HE WAS "DETERMINED TO LIVE "WHEN HE WAS DYING JUST BECAUSE HE FEARS TO DIE

AND THATS NOT BECAUSE AMALGAMATES ARE INJECTED WITH DT THAT THEY CANT FEEL THEIR OWN DT AND ITS NOT BECAUSE ANY MONSTER IS INJECTED OF DT THAT IT CANT FEEL IT OWN DT"

For the last time: THE DT HE WAS INJECTED WITH IS HIS DT!

"Except they're outright stated to live their own life after the end of the Pacifist Route, meaning this is false."

That's not related with anything at all, i was talking about the fact that Frisk never do anything to ACHIEVE their goal without our control

"THE VERY FIRST POST IN THIS THREAD IS A DETAILED EXPLANATION OF WHY THE BALL GAME PROVES THAT DT=RED SOUL.'

That was all non sense which went from the basis that dt is the red soul. Thats literally completely non sence, like LITERALLY."

Same with your arguments.

"The ball game is pretty clear:the red soul is the combination of all traits without mentioning any dt, dt isn't even mentioned as part of this trait. And during the ball game, all the colors are associated with a soul's trait. Perseverance is purple, green is kindness etc... but it never colors dt in red, but theres something it does color in red:the word "ball game", since its written under quote marks, it seems to be a metaphor,the ball game is a game that includes all the 6 traits, so Frisk's soul is the "ball game"or the combination of all the 6 traits"

Was this supposed to accomplish anything other than restating what we've ready been saying this entire thread?

.

"This is nothing but nonsense.'

Are you talking about your arguments????"

No, yours.