Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-29788596-20160906011125/@comment-35757757-20190802184933

TheHumanAmbassador wrote: Yeah, even though I think Chara wasn't corrupted, and say that they're quite messed up.. I still consider the idea of the cutscenes being Chara as a bad argument.

You, Frisk, have taken the evil route. Of course your character is going to be evil in cutscenes.

Plus, if this assertion were true.. It'd actually create more problems with the evil Chara theory.

For one, this means that Chara can control Frisk as early on as Early Snowdin. So... why didn't they start killing on their own? Why do they let you spare at this point?

I don't think Chara gained the ability to control Frisk at all until the end of the Sans fight.. And considering that Chara's attack is always a slash, even if you're not using the Real Knife, there's actually evidence suggesting that Chara made this attack on their own, without controlling Frisk. So LV19 is enough for them to start to act on their own, not control Frisk. This could also explain why Frisk can reset after the Sans fight. Something the Possession hypothesis can't explain.

So, as a defender of the "Chara is not good" hypothesis.. That's a bad argument. If these are the kinds of arguments we use.. It's no wonder that the opposition is this strong. It's like if the main argument for heliocentrism was "the sun is divine, so everything orbits it", rather than all the scientific data that actually supports heliocentrism.

Personally I think that the attacks from after the end of the Sans fight and after are still from Frisk, and that the attack is always a slash because Toby Fox likely expected us to be using the Real Knife since it’s the strongest weapon in the game, so he didn’t think to have that scene change depending on the weapon... or maybe he was lazy. Either way, since the Real Knife exists, he probably didn’t think anyone would notice. That’s just my theory. If I could ask Toby Fox questions, this would be one if them.

The reason Frisk attacks Sans twice in a row? Well, my theory is that it’s actually supposed to represent how Frisk is now a mindless killer who doesn’t even care about using any other option and will mindlessly hack away at anyone they see and don’t care who they are. That theory would also work for the encounters with Asgore, Flowey, and Monster Kid from earlier in the game... and the times Frisk moves while characters are talking so they can FIGHT them... yeah it makes sense.

Though maybe Frisk just got as sick of Sans as everyone in real life is and just wants to end that fight.

Or maybe Toby Fox just wanted to troll players some more with the fake out and then realized that he should probably end the fight somehow and so that scene was born... that way he could throw the ultimate troll at players with the ending. Or maybe he didn’t want players to hate him. The world may never know...

I can agree with all your other points, though. Completely, that is. I say that the one point I tried to disprove still actually has legs to stand on... unlike most points people try to make (COUGH, CLAIMING CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE BARELY EVEN IMPLIED ARE CANON, COUGH COUGH).

👍 (I just used an emoji on a forum what’s wrong with me-)