Talk:Surface/@comment-29493275-20160927020801/@comment-32182236-20180107205759

I already went through the evidence. We know Chara fell underground, and met Asriel through the tapes. We also know that ancient plaques describe the war between humans and monsters, and the SAME plaque must be dated before Chara fell because they flat-out say that another human will never fall.

Also, take into account Asriel's plan to free the monsters as described in Tape 5. The barrier was clearly already created, meaning the war happenend.