Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-34798955-20180310144518/@comment-33883848-20190626183102

@User1204 I agree with the most of your reply but....

"People think that because everything in Toriels house is made to be safe means Chara was evil and wanted to kill, but Chara didn't even live in Home. There was only two beds in New Home."

Chara is HEAVILY implied to lived in the ruins before the move.Toriel's house has a golden flower drawing that looks exactly the same as chara in the same place as chara's drawing heavily implying that Chara made it.Put yourself in Toby's shoes,why would you need to put the same drawing in the ruins??Dreemurs also moved out the ruins in the year 201X as showed by Toriel' old calendar in the ruins because they were "no longer afraid of the humans"coincidentally the same year as Chara fell in the underground and gave hope to monsters,now again why would Toby indicates that the year Chara fell in the underground and gave hope to monsters and the year monsters went to populate the rest of the underground because they "longer feared humans"(and why would monsters loose suddently their fear of humans if not because of a human )correlate so strongly?No reason besides showing that Chara's fell and the settling are related.Asriel was also in the ruins when Chara fell ,if he was living in New home back then,why would a child go so far from home??to see what??if the move happened after Chara's fall then that explains why Asriel was still in the ruins as the dreemurs used to live here(asriel even has a bedroom in Toriel's house meaning that he used to live in the ruins).This is also endorced by the narrator when you check the old tree in front of Toriel's house"Every time this old tree grows any leaves they fall right off",the narrator is awfully similar with this tree while its in front of Toriel's house.Finally ,temmie chang's concept arts explicitly shows chara and asriel playing around in the ruins below the old tree,implying that they lived in the ruins.I think that Chara doesnt have their own furnitures in the ruins because the dreemurs only decided to officialy adopt them after the move(thus cicled the date they all came in new home)and were reluctant at first to adopt them since they are a human.And if you ask "but where was chara sleeping then if they lived in the ruins?"well Toriel's house has an aditional bedroom that's "under renovation",that likely explain where they slept before the move(and if the room under renovation was a meanigless detail ,toby would never include it in the game)

If its true then Chara was a big deal to the underground and made the monsters unafraid of humans and brave enough to not keep retreated out of fear that humans would kill them,if they really had tendencies to hurt people,and a violent nature,i doubt that they would make monsters loose their fear of humans,it would instead grow stronger.Plus the game explicitly tells that human's attacks can hurt monsters with the desire to hurt alone,so Chara wouldnt need any knife to hurt or kill any monster if they wanted to.So i think that Toriel made the house safer because the fallen humans had some self harm tendencies(i mean someone who climb a mountain no one return from is clearly not a happy person and Frisk has a bandage they already used "several times"at the start of the game )

PS:i like how the game is trying to hide the reason why monsters settled the rest of the underground.The 2 chapters between the chapter that mention that monsters went to the ruins because they feared humans and the chapter that mention that monsters went to populate the rest of the underground because they no longer feared humans are missing even in the strings and the Snowdin's shopkeeper jump off the reason they all decided to populate the underground when she explains Snowdin's history" A long time ago, monsters lived in the RUINS back there in the forest. Long story short, we all decided to leave the ruins and head for the end of the caverns",either way Toby had good reasons to "hide it",maybe because it's related to Chara??after all,they are intentionally made to be ambiguous