Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31981697-20170722123329/@comment-27136653-20170805192724

1) That sounds awfully lot like monster souls. Those are the culmination of their being. But human souls are more separated than that. I'm not saying Flowey is wrong, his statement can be interpreted that way. But a human soul isn't literally every atom of the human body compacted into a heart shape. It can't be. I'm pretty sure that that's not how physical matter behaves. And don't say it's because of magic. Again, the simpler explanation is, that the soul isn't literally the body, but a separate entity that resides inside the body. After all, it can exist without it for decades. So probably forever.

1.1) So what that the monster didn't ask for the pan? That's not my point. And so what that Gerson is selling those items? That's not my point either. My point is that those humans gave those items away. You asked why would they drop them and I gave you an example in the form of a comic.

2) Maybe they're older designs that people just kept maintaining, since it's better than demolishing them and building new ones. The monsters still have medieval buildings, and you ask why don't they have newer ones if the technology already progressed.

2.1) True. Around 201X they were using things from around 2000's. But that's just because they're taking their technology from the dump. Most of it at least. And they also have magic on top of that. A laser that doesn't hurt you if you don't move? I'm pretty sure that that's not how lasers work. I think they did get the circuitry from the stuff they found in the dump, but that superior technology was achieved partially thanks to their magic.

2.2) Just a sprite recolor? What about adults then? Don't tell me Frisk is an adult.

3) Backstabbing is first acting as a friend, and then striking. In order for Frisk to backstab, they would first have to convince Chara about their good intentions, which happens at the very end of the game basically, and then turn evil. That's not possible. Chara had serious doubts about humanity. I don't think sparing just the monsters in the first 3 areas would be effective enough. Chara would just say "oh" and go with it. But if Frisk were to do a pacifist route, and then when going back kill everyone, that could be called a backstab. But that's not possible.

3.01) They don't scold us for killing Toriel. I wonder why. Perhaps, they're just too shocked to speak? The only narration we get in that case is "...".

3.02) Giving one gift is nice. Giving two is idiotic (at least in that particular case). Even I can see that. Maybe Chara wasn't the kindest person, but that doesn't justify their actions during the genocide.

3.03) Chara told you how many are left because they wanted to help you. What else do they have left? Look at how they speak at the very end of the game. "We reached the absolute." Yay, congratulations, you got what you wanted, now leave. That's what Chara wanted to say. And before you say one more thing about Chara being evil, then just remember, they aren't.

3.04) Frisk killed Flowey actually. You press the button, it's not automated.

3.05) Wanna know the real reason you can't get a good ending after doing a genocide? We didn't turn Chara evil. They went with it, but they still had their morales in place in the end, ergo the "perverted sentimentality" statement. So why? Well, justice. You agreed to give Chara the soul. And this enabled them to fuck with you. At least that's how I see it. You took their loved ones, they took your happy ending. Equality. Now who is evil here?

3.1) You expect me to know what 3.1 refers to when I didn't index it? Learn to quote.

3.2) I still think that the statement "but it's not funny" refers to the fact that Frisk didn't laugh. As if they asked Chara if it's ok to laugh (it isn't). And so if they didn't laugh the second time, they couldn't have laughed the first time either. I think the first statement ("what, you didn't do that?") is saying that Frisk didn't laugh-cry, and instead did nothing. Since we don't know whether Chara meant that Frisk didn't cry or that they didn't laugh, the safest option is to assume that they didn't do either. If Frisk laughed the first time, then the statement "but it's not funny" wouldn't make sense. If they laugh-cried, then the prior statement wouldn't make sense. By the process of elimination, they were silent.

4) "Also, I have another hypothesis on what happens when the screen goes black-He just removes all the light surrounding Frisk's eyes-Since Frisk isn't getting any light, they can't see!"

<span style="font-weight:normal;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">That's even worse. That's not even a theory, that's bogus. So unless Sans carries with him all the time that machine that can remove photons that Gaster built, I don't see how that's possible. And before you say anything, here's something to silence you:

<p style="font-weight:normal;"><span style="font-weight:normal;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">It's broken. Toby said there's nothing that can be done about it. So don't even think about saying he fixed it. And don't say it was a different machine. There's no proof of a different machine existing anywhere. Besides, that broken one was THE last experiment that caused all the bad stuff (which is why Sans is trying to undo the damage, why he's trying to fix it), so it ALSO must be the one that did the photon mumbo jumbo, as the secret 17th lab entry stated.

<p style="font-weight:normal;"><span style="font-weight:normal;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">4.01) " <span style="font-weight:normal;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">And the monsters at Grillby's would probably notice Sans teleporting around with a station"

<p style="font-weight:normal;"><span style="font-weight:normal;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">Exactly, which is why I don't think he teleports one station around. Even Undyne and Papyrus speak of the number of stations Sans has, so unless Sans has been REALLY good at teleporting his station into position each time someone passes by the spot, I don't think he really does that. I mean, why? It's easier to say that he duplicated them, rather than that he teleports them.

<p style="font-weight:normal;"><span style="font-weight:normal;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">And perhaps, the snow can be explained that way. <span style="font-weight:normal;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">You see, I play Minecraft, and I know that in Minecraft when you build some redstone thing, it works properly, but if you duplicate it, parts of it may sometimes "glitch". We say they're "budded", they're doing something they shouldn't be doing. For example, a piston not being powered by a power source next to it can be called "budded". But when you place a block next to that piston, it "updates" and turns on. Perhaps the same happened to the snow. It's stuck, not realizing it should be evaporating.

<p style="font-weight:normal;"><span style="font-weight:normal;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">Now, I'm not saying Sans knows about the game's code. As you said it, he's just exploiting it, without realizing what it really is,  <span style="font-weight:normal;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">which is also why I think the HUD isn't native to the world of Undertale. It is meant to be for us only, and Sans can manipulate it. Why do I think so? Well, keep reading.

<p style="font-weight:normal;"><span style="font-weight:normal;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">4.1) To address your statement that we're "roleplaying" Frisk. All games work like this. You have this character that you play as, and that's it. But Frisk is not you. Remember whom you've named? You named Chara, not Frisk. And, as I showed already, Frisk can act against your wishes. I'm not saying that you are Chara. I'm just saying that you aren't giving Frisk their own character, since they already have one.

<p style="font-weight:normal;"><span style="font-weight:normal;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">I saw something similar in South Park: The Stick of Truth. You play as this kid that also doesn't speak, and then later his true name is revealed, and at the very end, he says "fuck off" and walks away. No matter what you say, you were roleplaying a kid that had his own story.

<p style="font-weight:normal;"><span style="font-weight:normal;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">Same with Frisk. I also believe this because of what Flowey says when you reboot the game after a pacifist ending. He speaks about Frisk in 3rd person, but keeps staring at us. At that moment he speaks to Chara, not us, but isn't it weird anyways? After all, we named Chara.

<p style="font-weight:normal;"><span style="font-weight:normal;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">So if Frisk already has their own character, then what is our role? We can't be them. <span style="font-weight:normal;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">Maybe we're just guiding them? Maybe. But we aren't interacting with them. So it's not really guiding. So are we manipulating them in that case? Not if Frisk can disobey our actions.

<p style="font-weight:normal;"><span style="font-weight:normal;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">So then, if we aren't Frisk, but aren't controlling them either, then what?

<p style="font-weight:normal;"> Well as I said already, we're merely carrying out their actions. Since, someone HAS to play the game after all, just like someone has to read all seven Harry Potter books.

<p style="font-weight:normal;"> I hope you get my point. Frisk is independant of us inside the game, since they have their own story. We didn't name them. We don't control everything they do. Such behavior would be very difficult to make. It's better if we just say that the player isn't present in the story at all. I don't think Toby wanted Frisk to be us. Frisk is just another human, story-wise. It wouldn't make any sense for them not to have their own character.

<p style="font-weight:normal;"> And this is exactly why I think the HUD isn't native to the world of Undertale. Since if the player isn't there, then there's no need for the HUD to be there as well. Everything that happens in the HUD can be explained in its own way in the overworld. From the white box to Asgore smashing the button.

<p style="font-weight:normal;"> 4.1) So you agree with me then that Asgore didn't want to fight? Good. Still, I don't believe he actually smashed a physical button. I can still say that he simply refused our mercy, and Frisk understood that.  <span style="font-size:16px;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;">And besides, you said only Frisk can see the HUD. Then how can others interact with it, to the precision of smashing a button?

<p style="font-weight:normal;"> 4.2) " <span style="font-weight:normal;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">Also, wouldn't changing our SOUL mode to green still be "giving" us a spear if that's part of the mode?" But it isn't. Undyne explained to us that green means you can't run away. She didn't say anything about a spear. Only when we fail to deflect an attack she states that she gave us the spear to block those attacks, so that it would be a fair fight.

<p style="font-weight:normal;"><span style="font-weight:normal;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">4.3) Then why did Asgore not dodge our attacks if he can see that line? And I refuse to believe the line doesn't represent a physical attack. Again, how can Frisk attack, without actually using a physical attack? If you say that it's the HUD that makes things happen this way, then fine. And I can say that Sans knows he's in a videogame, and knows about the game's code.

<p style="font-weight:normal;"> And on top of that I can say that Flowey knows that there are people who watch playthroughs of Undertale on YouTube, since he says "I bet someone like that's watching right now, aren't they...?".

<p style="font-weight:normal;"><span style="font-weight:normal;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">Heck why don't we just acknowledge that Undertale is a nonsense and go back to FNAF?

<p style="font-weight:normal;"><span style="font-weight:normal;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">The reason why I refuse to believe the HUD is a thing that actually exists in the world of Undertale, is because there are so many hints that the world around is the same as our world. Including the date 201X (as the game came out in 2015). And also because many games use the same mechanic, which is supposed to aid the player, but don't actually exist inside the game's universe.

<p style="font-weight:normal;"><span style="font-weight:normal;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">For example, Pokemon. There's HUD in the games, but not in the TV show. So the HUD isn't really in the world of Pokemon, it exists solely for the player. Why should Undertale be different? Just because it breaks the 4th wall?

<p style="font-weight:normal;"><span style="font-weight:normal;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">I don't think so. I like to associate Undertale with the real world, and there's no HUD in the real world. Since the very beginning, when I watched a playthrough of Undertale for the first time, I thought the HUD is just aiding the player, so that he would have a better experience from the game. And I stay by this to this day, since nothing in the game proves otherwise. Some 4th wall fuckery can't serve as a proof if it oftentimes isn't even meant seriously.

<p style="font-weight:normal;"><span style="font-weight:normal;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">4.4) " <span style="font-weight:normal;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">Frisk chooses options with their SOUL, not their chest. When a FIGHT becgins, the SOUL leaves the body, and you take control of the SOUL." -  <span style="font-weight:normal;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">That would kill the human. I'm sorry but you can't justify this nonsense. Not even HUD can break a given law. Unless HUD is a law itself, which isn't the case, considering its sole existence is never even acknowledged.

<p style="font-weight:normal;"><span style="font-weight:normal;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">" <span style="font-weight:normal;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">your body remains in the same place the battle began in <span style="font-weight:normal;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">" -  <span style="font-weight:normal;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">I wonder why doesn't Sans attack the body then. Wouldn't it be easier?

<p style="font-weight:normal;"><span style="font-weight:normal;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">5) " <span style="font-weight:normal;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">Perhaps the HUD is just Frisk's way of seeing the world?" - No, it's the player's way of seeing a battle. Stop saying nonsense.

<p style="font-weight:normal;"><span style="font-weight:normal;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">" <span style="font-weight:normal;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">if that phone Alphys gave you is giving off a little light" - We don't know if the phone is giving of any light. And even if, it wouldn't make Frisk's entire body visible.

<p style="font-weight:normal;"><span style="font-weight:normal;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">" <span style="font-weight:normal;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">Oh, and he could have done it by just making a little barrier preventing light from reaching Frisk for the time of his teleportation. No light, no vision. Just blackness." - But then we wouldn't hear the HUD sound :P

<p style="font-weight:normal;">"<span style="font-weight:normal;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">What's your explanation for how he's doing it, then?" - Pretty much what we both said already. He's using something, but doesn't know what it really is.

<p style="font-weight:normal;"><span style="font-weight:normal;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">6)  <span style="font-weight:normal;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">"If you do defeat me, I'll GIVE you your happy ending!" - But THEN we wouldn't want to play with him anymore. That's what he assumed. And Frisk could leave by taking Asgore's soul - that's why Flowey shattered it. And there is no doubt that by playing he meant playing with Frisk. Not the game. Don't automatically assume the more complicated possibility. This one makes sense too.

<p style="font-weight:normal;"><span style="font-weight:normal;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">" <span style="font-weight:normal;font-family:"HelveticaNeue",Helvetica,Arial,HiraKakuPro-W3,"HiraginoKakuGothicProW3","HiraginoKakuGothicPro","ヒラギノ角ゴProW3",メイリオ,Meiryo,游ゴシック,YuGothic,"ＭＳＰゴシック","MSPGothic","ＭＳゴシック","MSGothic",sans,sans-serif;font-size:16px;">We don't know if Frisk made it past the barrier in the Neutral Route" - They did not.