Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31536324-20190117214835/@comment-31536324-20190129170009

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-determination is the "will to keep living ,the will to change fate(which is death)that DOESN'T and again DOESN'T has the same definition as in real life."

No duh. We're going BY THE GAME.

"-real life determination,so the will to achieve goals is part of perseveranse trait because perseverence trait is described as a trait that never give up even when it feel trapped."

They're synonyms, not the same thing. Determination is the will to continue to ACHIEVE A GOAL; the drive to complete a purpose. Perseverance is the will to repeat and continue a task despite difficulty; the drive to finish a task.

Determination leads to Perseverance, okay then. Perseverance leads to Determination, as shown by the flags, meaning the other traits do as well, and that the inverse is true as well.

What's your point here? That DT and Pr are too similar, so Red can't be DT? Well I just showed you how they're different, and that "point" doesn't do anything other than show what the game already implies.

"-the will to keep living was never something especially associated with frisk or Chara,the red traits owners."

Let's see, Frisk continuously defied fate and death (REFUSE), they continued on their paths until they achieved their goals (Neutral, Pacifist, Genocide; resolution), and those SAVE Point quotes all associate them with DT (what else would they be filled with other than what defines them?)

"And all other fallen humans had enough determination to get save load power while their traits weren't red."

Yes, because DT isn't something only a Red SOUL Human has, it's just what defines them as their trait. EVERYONE has DT, Monsters have it, Humans have it, A FLOWER has it; and as the flags imply, a Red SOUL has all the other traits, meaning the others do too even if their trait isn't Red. They're all a part of the SOUL, of course they'd have them.

Of course the other kids had DT, of course they had SAVE, because they were the most determined beings in their times! That's how the power is explicitly stated to work!

"-the fact that frisk often "fills with the will to keep living/determination "doesn't mean anything."

Again, what else would you be filled with other than what defines you? Also, you're going STRICTLY AND ONLY by the "will to live" definition thr game has, while also completely ignoring the "resolve to change fate" definition that clearly implies the real world definition (firmness of purpose; resolution) is also applicable. Meaning that, yes, DT also fits as a trait.

"That instead implies that frisk is suicidal and that they overcome their suicidal urges thanks to silly stuff:that why the most random stuff give them the will to keep living."

I refer you to my immediate above response.

"So ,Frisk is no way a really determined child but seems to get the save load power from Chara(the save points are also under Chara's name)."

Except Chara has no SOUL, and thus no DT of their own to draw from. Both Chara (and thr Player if you're going Meta) draw their capabilities from Frisk DT. It's THEIR SOUL, THEIR DT, THEIR body, and THEIR life that's being used here. Chara even outright says that the DT and SOUL isn't theirs.

"-Frisk's soul is implied to be neutral.The "hole"is written in red in ball game.They develop their own personality that mix all the 6 traits but th red soul seems to be neutral by default."

Given Deltarune's info dump on the Red SOUL, I take it as the Red SOUL being DT, but being a vessel for other worldly entities.

"-determination is never written in red in the game.Like NEVER,thats a VERY common misconception but you can check the game to see that's not true."

I know, I have the game.

"determination is only written in yellow and the save point are also yellow and are the "manifestation of frisk's own determination "(confirmed by the demo's instructions)and they are yellow,which means that determination is gold yellow"

Yellow is the color for important text, it's also the brightest and most stand out color in the spectrum, of course it was used for SAVE Points.

Correlation =/= Causation.

"-soul traits aren't determined by which trait is the most dominant."

Any proof of this statement?

"During the ball game,the red soul hosts are the only ones who can have all the six personality traits."

You realize that means the other SOULS can't have any other trait within them other than the trait they are, right? How exactly does that make any sense? You're doing the exact thing Tsskyx says Red = DT does: make every character on note uninteresting wooden cutouts.

"The 6 fallen humans likely had other personality's traits like tolerance,analyse capacities,empathy,curiosity (since those traits dont have specific colours ,its implied by the ball game that there's only 7 colored traits )etc...."

Yes, go by the CANON GAME, and what does this have to do with anything? This is what THA and I have been saying to Tsskyx: that the people are still three dimensional people that have multiple things that make uo who they are. The traits are just their MOST DEFINING QUALITIES.

"but bravery for example isn't kindnesss traits's hosts personality's trait."

You're right, but that doesn't mean that they don't have kindness or any other trait, it just means that Bravery is their most defining trait while Kindness is not.

"they perhaps have a bit but its not their personality's trait,not something that defines them .That's because the soul is the "culmination of one being","our deepest essence"

Exactly.