Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31371445-20170222233857/@comment-27136653-20180909131916

"SOUL Power is not mentioned or used in the plaques, the only thing they're talking about is DT."

Well, then you are blind. And I can't fix that, sorry.

"I'm not a mirror, so i wouldn't know whether or not you're in denial."

Ah! You speak like my idiotic classmates. No, I assure you, you are not a mirror, you don't reflect any light rays, you let them pass straight through, because there isn't enough gray matter in your entire brain to force them to get absorbed while passing through.

"Pacifist Route."

Of course, 1+0 is 0 according to you! No, why should we pay attention to those 90 something neutral routes, when in a single pacifist route, no battle even went down! Of course that makes all those other encounters when he does smash the said button of ours vanish!

"Again, maybe Frisk simply just doesn't want to those things."

Yeah... just like they don't want to stay among their buttons forever and actually want to enter the battle box and risk death? I'm sorry, but right now, you are experiencing what I have had many times already, you are nitpicking equal evidence to fit your own narrative.

"That doesn't mean that it IS a game in-universe though"

No, it does not. But tell me, which of these two explanations is simpler? If we had more evidence for either, I would not be casting such ultimatums. Unfortunately for your narrative, this is all we have. And therefore, I must resort to Occam's razor in this (and similar) situation(s).

"Because they're the only sentient species on the planet, and this system is for them. The NPCs simply don't want to fight, so they don't initiate one."

Hmm... what about monsters one can spare right away, do they want to fight? I can't imagine Whimsuns like this, and I bet Moldsmals couldn't care less.

"What "arbitrary rules"?"

Nitpicking between monsters and locking them and us into some otherwordly mechanism filled with a plethora of 'alien' concepts, such as turns, buttons, invisible slashes (this is how THA explains monsters not dodging our attacks).

"Weren't you the one who said that in refute to the Battle System being how all conflict was handled?"

And you made the claim that for human-monster encounters, the in-game mechanism applies, but now you added that it does not happen to any other combo, e.g. human on human, or (assuming you also implied) monster on monster.

Tl;dr, yet another arbitrary rule that feels less like a basic concept of physical processes and more like a concrete, computer-made 'if:else' statement.

"Either way works, doesn't really mess anything of mine up even then. I'll read it when i have the chance."

I've had the impression you opposed the idea of shops being the way they are presented in the game: a safe space where one is limited to only a handful of prompts. And I said "why not" to this idea, the same way I said "why not" to the idea of invisible impassable barriers. But that doesn't matter anymore, I assume you oppose this the same way you oppose the latter.

"No, he just confirmed that these things are natural things and laws of the world."

Just like jumping between rooftops 20 meters apart is also natural in the Matrix. Toby of course meant what you said, but it was me who forged the implication that it might be a computer simulation.

Remember Gaster? Toby had no big plans for him and yet, people crafted such insane theories concening him, such as that he was the one to write the first 8 lab entries. I'm positive this was never Toby's secret plot line, but just something we crafted ourselves to patch the plot holes. And I have created this hypothesis to justify those weird arbitrary rules the world of UT presents itself with to us.

"THA and I have been saying repeatedly now, that S/L/R goes to the most determined being."

Ah pardon me, didn't realize that had to be turned into a point. Weren't we talking about Flowey and Asriel? Yeah, of course the power goes to the strongest one. But I just added one more rule, that to reset as a being with a composite soul, the previous user must be killed first. An arbitrary rule, but fit for the SLR ability.

You see, I am content with the SLR behaving like a computer program, because I believe it was forged by Gaster through whatever means (so I am fine with assigning arbitrary rules to it). Of course he would need some sort of a computer simulation to create something so complicated, resulting in such arbitrary rules. But while I am willing to admit Gaster the creation and presence of SLR, I cannot admit him the HUD. No one has or should have that much power, it's insane. Therefore, the HUD must be a natural occurence then, if not an artificial one (artificial as in, not created by any of the "inside" subjects of the universe). And if so, let the entire world be a computer simulation (created by some "outside" subjects).

"Yes, but they'd first have to exhaust the SOUL of ALL DT, killing it, in order to know how much exactly is in a human SOUL."

Yes. And that would have happened before the war, simple. Though, I have one alternative explanation, but this one suffices, so let's leave it at that.

"Read that part again. Where did you even get that idea?"

I dunno, souls reserving a part of the DT for something and then using the rest for something else... seems weird, considering the former doesn't ever get utilized, unless the human dies. But my point was, that this idea was pointless; that tiny amount of DT that would make the soul red wouldn't do add any new ability any other human soul already wouldn't have, considering the souls mustn't vary, they must be nearly identical in their inner capacity due to the measuring rule, and so, that tiny difference would be negligible. Especially so, considering the above, that the majority of the DT wouldn't get utilized under normal circumstances. So most of the time, you would have like 98% of the soul's DT available, and 99% with red souls. Such a tiny difference cannot make a difference, it certainly cannot be enough to fuel for example the refuse mechanic. Sure, if it was like 40% and 80%, I'd believe it, that's a significant difference. But this isn't the case here.

Still, I find this specific part of the discussion pointless, because we're speaking of concepts that utilize novelty ideas, such as that souls can actually "reserve" DT. I'm all for novelty concepts, if it solves a persisting conundrum. Though, I have already solved it with my "red souls aren't special" theory (which isn't even mine btw), so I don't really feel like further exploring this concrete idea.

"No, I'm not, what do you even mean by that?"

>"You could just as easily say that Bravery is SP, or that Paitience is SP, and it would make about as much sense as DT being SP."

You are assuming the other traits are the same thing as DT, that they hold "power", and that they are a scalar item like DT.

"Again, SP and DT are clearly separated into two distinctly different things, as shown by entries of ROYAL SCIENTIST Alphys."

She didn't deny it but alright, we can end this discussion if it bothers you so much as to throw you into a state of absolute denial. It'll probably be better for your health anyways.

"SP is THE power of the SOUL, the power of the SOUL as a WHOLE."

And what would be the rest, hmm? DT+X=SP, solve for X.

Summa summarum, all these things are my final static stances on the matter. Don't bother replying, save for me asking about monsters that we can spare right away and the mysterious X. Everything else here I won't change my mind about. Besides, I kinda left THA hanging there yesterday.