Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-29788596-20160906011125/@comment-32182236-20200129145440

Responding to Mago in this thread, because the discussion was on a thread regarding Narrator Chara, and the discussion I was having with Mago was about the morality of Chara, which belongs here, rather than there.

But it's not implied that the barrier need to be broken for this to happen.

Anything can enter through the barrier, but only beings with a powerful SOUL can leave.

Does a slash count as a "being with a powerful SOUL"? I don't think so.

So it wouldn't "leave" the Underground. So the attack would be restricted to the Underground itself.

So they would make needles efforts to kill over 8 billions humans by themselves (i just cant imagine a little kid swinging around their knife and traveling across the world by killing every human, thats just ridiculous.) instead of just killing them all in one strike ?. Also, i don't think that Chara is such a one dimensional evil sadistic demon that will take immense pleasure at making all children and babies suffer just because they can. You're arguing that they aren't pure evil BUT NOW that they want to kill all humans by making them suffer?

Not because they can. Because they hate humanity.

Also, what's to say they won't do something to put all of them in fear at once? There's plenty of things they could do.

And there's also the possibility that, as I said, they never actually killed the humans in the first Genocide Run, and now they finally get the chance to. Maybe they do plan on just wiping the WHOLE world this time.

We can't say. But we do know that they took over and X'd out Frisk's friends. And as we both pointed out, Chara can't ONLY want to kill those particular monsters. Yet, they do plan on killing the monsters.

Premise 1:¬(A∧¬B) (Killing monsters [A] cannot be the only objective)

Premise 2:A (Yet killing monsters IS an objective.)

Conclusion:A∧B (So killing monsters PLUS objective B must be at play.)

Yes in genocide run. But they never tell so in souless neutral runs and never tell you to do the pacifist run in soulless neutral run.

As a result, either:


 * 1) Frisk makes it past the Barrier, and thus, so does Chara-Hence, Neutral Runs are fine.
 * 2) Since Flowey steers us towards Pacifist in Neutral Endings, Chara has no reason to also tell us to go Pacifist
 * 3) There's something wrong with my take.

I'll go with Option 2 for now.

Chara also outright says that they feel "obligated" to suggest another path, which is a weird wordering if they want you to do the pacifist run to kill everyone on the surface. They are simply telling you to take any other path as its pointless to destroy and recreate the world all over again.

It is pointless. Yet they still destroy the world in a Genocide Path anyway. Why do they do that?

Clearly they don't want us to kill all the monsters this time.

Exactly. This is what i trying to prove several times already. Frisk friends (along with humans and monsters) are already killed in genocide run but Chara still suggest Frisk to take another path while they kill frisks friends in souless pacifist run. That alone means that they have standards, that they arent killing for the sake of killi, not just because they are a mindless sadist otherwise they would encourage your genocide runs or they would keep the world destroyed as everyone is already dead.

It just means they don't ONLY want Frisk's friends killed. They still want Frisk's friends killed, as shown in the Tainted Pacifist Ending "I have places to go". But that can't be their SOLE goal. They have another one on top of that. I say it's something against humanity, considering both that they nearly declared war on humanity in their previous life, AND that Asriel made it very clear that Chara hated humanity. There's no reason to say they don't still hate humanity. I'd even say the see humans as "the enemy".

They kill Frisk's friends to prevent them from living a happy life, from having their happy end.

That makes them even MORE of a sadist. Killing them just to make Frisk's day bad?

I guess we both agree that Chara doesn't care for Frisk's friends. Which includes Toriel and Asgore.

And you still think they're good?

That doesnt mean that Chara won't let Frisk reset (which is why we can still true reset) and try another run if they want to but if they choose a pacifist run, Chara wont let them have their happy ending as they dont deserve it. Which is why they don't kill Frisk as they want to give them a chance to try another run if they want to (and Frisk is likely to reset to let their friends live) without having a happy end.

Asriel:Actually tries to destroy the world, killing both humans and monsters.

Chara:Eh. Frisk, please save him. Give him mercy. He's a good guy at heart.

Frisk:Only tries to kill the monsters, and doesn't even go for the evacuees.

Chara:YOU'RE A HORRIBLE MONSTER THAT DOESN'T DESERVE A HAPPY ENDING EVER AGAIN!!!