Board Thread:General Discussion v2.0/@comment-27330847-20151202034303/@comment-27305651-20151223230412

Invader Jib wrote: Ivystripe wrote: Invader Jib wrote: LarsMars wrote:

PhazonZhan wrote: You as the player can associate whatever gender you want. Just know as soon as you bring your opinon on genders for the charecters people will disagree :p. Yes, the player can. Frisk is their OWN character though, not meant to represent the player once their given their own name. That's true...but they can put whatever gender on Frisk as well. The only thing really set in stone about them is that they love everything and they're extremely determined. Even though you play as Frisk, that doesn't mean that you get to project the gender you want on them. Chara, you do, because Toby said that you're supposed to give them your name, thusly meaning that Chara is whatever gender you are. Frisk is their own seperate character, and they are like Napstablook, only having been referred to with neutral pronouns. Frisk could be any kind of NB individual who uses neutral pronouns, but they are not a boy or a girl, and the game is very progressive when it comes to representation so if they were supposed to be a boy or a girl, Toby would have made it known before the game ended and he didn't. So it's canon  That's....a huge stretch. It is not canon in the slightest.

First of all, we don't even learn Frisk's name until the very end of the game, and they clearly waited all that time to tell any of the monsters that. The monsters use they/them pronouns because they have no idea what gender Frisk is supposed to be, male, female, or non-binary. When Frisk can barely tell someone theyre name, do you really expect me to believe they specifically told every monster they prefer they/them pronouns?

Even then, consider how much we don't know about Frisk. All the game tells us is their name, and that they're a very kind person. Why did they climb Mt.Ebott? What was their life before that? Where do they go to if they decide not to stay with Toriel? There's little indication of what is true, outside of a couple very vague hints, and people can and will fill in the blanks themselves. Likewise, they're gender works the same way, and the only indication that they're non-binary is the use of gender-neutruel pronouns-which, again, is also appropriate if someone is of unknown gender.

As far as making it clear goes, Toby would have also made it known that they're specifically non-binary if that's how it's supposed to be, but he didn't. Yes, the game is progressive, but possibly and probably doesn't mean fact, and if we were supposed to know a lot about them, there wouldn't be so much ambiguity. You can't fight the Tumblr because the Tumblr uses no logic. That's the tool of the White Cishet Male Binary Patriarchy Dicktatorship.