Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31371445-20170222233857/@comment-31536324-20181117192516

"Obviously. But there's a limit to the things you can tweak. Give in to nonsense and there won't be an arguement I could use against your reasoning. (I'm finding an analogy with a concept in neural networks called "overfitting" - you can achieve 100% accuracy, but your network's predictive ability will be crap. Similarly, you can think of an ad hoc solution that would explain how the UT world functions exactly how we see it, but in result, it won't be more than a simplified description of the game's code, with 0 predictive abilities concerning alternative scenarios... quite a crappy theory of everything.)"

It's an Alternate Universe with different laws and rules to our own. How is that a "simplified explanation of the game's code"?

"As a story writer myself, ad hoc explanations drive me crazy. So logically, so does the HUD. It cannot possibly exist exactly how we see it, because it's too abstract."

Why?

"If however the level of abstraction isn't important, then think about how it came to be, at the very least. Evolution, augmentation, or ad hoc procreation? Evolution doesn't seem to be the plausible solution, and the "this is how the world simply works, deal with it" argument is laughable when compared to the augmentation hypothesis, which at least gives AN explanation, as opposed to NO explanation."

Magic exist in this world, so it's a product of magic accessible to those who have a certain type of magic in a certain abundancy.

"That's my point. That the "simulation" hypothesis > "this is how it is" hypothesis. Because it's simpler."

No, it's lazy, unsupported, and disproven. Just because you ignored our points doesn't mean the simulation hypothesis isn't disproven.

"Instead of assuming a plethora of grand univesal laws, it assumes a computer program, located within a universe of pre-assumed laws, i.e., the laws of our own universe, which need not be assumed."

"It's a video game, so the world itself must be a video game." - Tsskyx You must not have any fun watching any movies, tv shows, and cartoons, or playing any other video games if this is your train of logic.

"So... if you do favor the idea that Gerson's cave is the reason Frisk can't touch him, as opposed to an arbitrary cosmological law, kudos to you. And if we do so for everything that might resemble the simulation hypothesis, we will in effect completely dunk the simulation hypothesis."

Yes, because the point you brought up of it going against the game's very moral ISN'T enough.

"Instead of the soul literally dancing about on the interface, we could A it. E.g. when you're selecting an item, that heart isn't your actual soul. Because we don't need to assume that it is."

It is literally stated to be your SOUL, it's one of the first things said in the game! Also, the six Human SOULS.

"Also, I think the items CAN be physically held. Have anything to say about that guy holding the spider donut next to Muffet's shop in Hotland?"

When not in a FIGHT, items can be held normally; when in one, you can't, and one must be selected through the HUD to be used.

"Huh? What do you mean? He doesn't mention it. He doesn't mention you resetting during the final fight if you do so. Of course you need to fight again. But you have escaped the fight nonetheless. He should have commented on that. Or even better yet, should have left a comment if you were to decide to reset instead of reload."

Again, WHY should he? From an In-Universe perspective, WHY should he?

"Somewhere in 2016 if I recall the date of the post that image came from. And if YOU recall, Toby programmed everyone's movements. Yet he chose not to fix them afterwards. He also programmed an autosave for Omega Flowey. Yet he chose not to fix Asriel. You get my point? He no longer wants to touch the game, even if the fix is easy and obvious."

Yes, because a new area not in the original game, and an new boss fight with an entirely new mechanic and sprites isn't "touching the game" AT ALL. This "argument" falls apart when you take into account all of the updates and changes made over the years, and the fact that the thing to "fix" with the GOHD fight was not one of them.