Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-29788596-20160906011125/@comment-28974149-20180915202012

Rafip wrote: @SUoveranalyzer

In a way, they are just like Asriel(Flowey.)  They are soulless. Actually they can't be soulless because soul is very culmination of one's being. It is shown when Asriel took Chara's soul, he actually transferred a person, a living, thinking being from one body to another. Therefore, if soul breaks, it is just gone. However, in village their soul wasn't under attack. It was Asriel's body that was taking hits.

''In a way, they are just like Asriel(Flowey.)  They are soulless... Thus they, ...have no *moral compass* which seems to come with a soul.'' Chara isn't like Flowey since humans and monsters are completly different. Even if Chara is somehow soulless, they are not brainless, which they shown. They still has free will and fully understands what's going on and where it's going. They still owns their fate in their very own hands.

As Sans says when LOVE rises love falls and one becomes detatched from others and kill them without guilt. Funny you are mentioning that because Chara already planned and eagerly tried to kill several people without having good reasons for that.

''Especially as their Level of Violence rises due to our actions, as can be seen in the save file... As can be seen in the save file, Chara is neutral to everything at first, as you kill, you teach them to kill and they help you, as you mercy, they help you mercy.'' There are many reasons behind Players' choices, but teaching Chara anything isn't one of them. Many Players don't even know about Chara while doing their own buisnesses and what Chara is going to do with that is their own decision since they fully understands what is going on.

''What Chara meant by "since when were you the one in control?!" was the fact that *they* have the save file, not you.''

​​​​​​ Then why I am even allowed to use Save File if from some point Chara knows what exactly I'm going to do with it, since they are with me from the beggining and are in control like you have said? they were always in control, they just let you guide them... So, they weren't that confused to make this decision in the first place. Remember - they lost their soul, not mind.

In conclusion - Player teaching Chara how to be evil is a myth overused to justify Chara's passive behavior or to say it isn't Chara's fault thay are evil, while it isn't true. They have made their decision long time ago.

@Sashaundertale And show me some proof that Chara did something good. I wonder if they are going to use argument that Chara wanted to free monsters, when in fact they was leading entire monsterkind to its end. "Actually they can't be soulless because soul is very culmination of one's being. It is shown when Asriel took Chara's soul, he actually transferred a person, a living, thinking being from one body to another. Therefore, if soul breaks, it is just gone. However, in village their soul wasn't under attack. It was Asriel's body that was taking hits."

Uh no, Asriel says it himself "Our souls were combined" what happened to his, happened to Chara's. Chara is soulless. And Chara says it themselves that they cannot understand the feelings of our SOUL anymore.

"Chara isn't like Flowey since humans and monsters are completly different. Even if Chara is somehow soulless, they are not brainless, which they shown. They still has free will and fully understands what's going on and where it's going. They still owns their fate in their very own hands."

Monsters aren't brainless either, even soulless spirits aren't, Flowey can think..

"Funny you are mentioning that because Chara already planned and eagerly tried to kill several people without having good reasons for that."

Chara didn't plan anything, they let you do anything.

"There are many reasons behind Players' choices, but teaching Chara anything isn't one of them. Many Players don't even know about Chara while doing their own buisnesses and what Chara is going to do with that is their own decision since they fully understands what is going on."

I never said we teached Chara knowingly, they learned from US. From "your guidance"   From the options they gave us in all the menus.

"Then why I am even allowed to use Save File if from some point Chara knows what exactly I'm going to do with it, since they are with me from the beggining and are in control like you have said? they were always in control, they just let you guide them... So, they weren't that confused to make this decision in the first place. Remember - they lost their soul, not mind."

I never said they knew what we were going to do with it. They did not.

Deciding that don't take a soul lol. But deciding moral questions does.

"In conclusion - Player teaching Chara how to be evil is a myth overused to justify Chara's passive behavior or to say it isn't Chara's fault thay are evil, while it isn't true. They have made their decision long time ago."

No Chara being evil is a fanon myth overused by guilty players to push their own murders onto someone else. "YOU MADE YOUR CHOICE ALONG TIME AGO" Chara says. YOU.

"I wonder if they are going to use argument that Chara wanted to free monsters, when in fact they was leading entire monsterkind to its end."

No they were not? They wanted to free monsters...