Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-27677820-20160131035943/@comment-27757267-20160208054754

I wrote a really long Post about my opinion on the matter but Wikia decided to delete it so i'm going for a Shorter one this time:

About the Asriel choosing to absorb the Souls even after he turned into Goat-Child.

This ain't true, he absorbed the Souls as Flowey and as an effect turned into the God of Hyperdeath Asriel Dreemurr, it's unknown if he even had emotions till Frisk made him remember.

About the Saving Asriel.

My Opinion, no matter how much i'd like a Happy Ending with everyone (Asriel, Chara, the other 6 Humans etc) being revived and living happily, i think Asriel is beyond saving since the only entity technically capable of reseting that far back is Chara. This is assuming that the Reset-Ability only allows you resets as far back as you had the Ability and that some time passed between Chara and Frisk OR Frisk got the Ability due to Chara's Presence.

What i mean with this is: Asriel/Flowey got the Ability to Reset when he became Flowey. Assuming the Reset-Ability is gained by Determination it's save to assume the other 6 Humans did NOT have that ability and thus actually died to Asgore or someone else. Now assuming Frisk is a lot younger than Asriel technically is (Boss Monsters don't age i think) Asriel's death and reincarnation as a Flower may be well before Frisk was even born thus negating Frisk being able to reset far enough back to save Asriel, since Asriel gained the Ability as Flowey and his first Save-State is in Asgore's Garden he also isn't able to reset further leaving only Chara who wouldn't ever do it.

About Asriel having the Suicide Option~

Asriel may not be able to die anymore due to the Reset-Ability. Technically seen Frisk ISN'T capable of fully Dying. It's never mentioned Frisk can die fully. From how i see it Frisk can only

- Give up (You as the player stop playing UnderTale)

- Reset (start a new game)

- Go on....

In none of these instanced Frisk chooses death. This may be due to Frisk having a source of Determination they have NO Control over (Chara), Same applies for Flowey since he became Flowey due to Alphys injecting Determination into a Flower. He may have a source of Determination he can't control and thus would respawn in the Garden as a Flower anyways.

and last but not least - You say Flowey spent all the time torturing and killing people he once cared for.

WRONG! Flowey did Genocide, Neutral and Pacifist Routes as he states being nice to them and helping them and at some point growing bored of it which was when he started experimenting and finally killing. It's unsure how much time Flowey actually spent killing everyone and how much time he spent being nice.

That said unless Toby Fox enlightens us we will never know for sure.

Then again the longest living games are those who let the players speculate about almost everything. I mean, imagine everything in UnderTale was really straightforward and the Storyline was 100% sure, there would be no speculation and after a few months most people would stop talking about it.