Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31536324-20190117214835/@comment-27136653-20190212052703

Again, Asriel not commenting on your reset is not a plot hole, because he has literally no reason to do so.

And I'm again saying that he does, since he always talks so much about us in the other routes, even if nothing particularly interesting has happened. That, plus the fact that this looks like something you weren't meant to do in that fight, considering the narrative of the fight and buildup towards the fight itself.

What fur and sink, and plot holes that supposedly cropped up, are you talking about?

To my knowledge, the fur stuck in Toriel's sink is still there even after you kill her. That goes to imply she has a physical body. When in reality, monsters are magical creatures as stated or implied in many other parts of the game.

The code itself has no place or effect on the world of Undertale.

Its functionality will still get replicated precisely if we do this, even if we say for every line "that's how this universe works" instead of "that's how the game works." Literally nothing changes by that.

so REFUSE would likely be an exclusive ability to Red SOULS

Just because it's a rarer manifestation of determination? I'd need more evidence than that.

It's the power of the SOUL as a whole, that's it.

I'm not following. Power = DT. Unless I'm wrong, in which case, power = DT + X, and then tell me what X is.

''Really? 'Cause all I've seen is of your "simplest rational conclusion" essentially you saying that the world of Undertale is itself a game just because it's a game in real life.''

I've been really saying that? Pretty sure I was arguing that all the meta can actually be explained as some "realistic" phenomena that wouldn't go to imply a simulation. But if we keep the meta, that does imply the simulation scenario. Saying that there's computer-like meta, yet that there's no creator of this clearly computer-like meta, is like some aliens visiting our world after we die off saying that computers have evolved naturally on this planet.

In other words, either we adhere to real-world logic, or we discard it for the sake of being allowed to say this. But that also means discarding it everywhere else. So forget about logic and rational conclusions about, say, the plaques. Because "the grammar of this universe works differently" - just like "the laws of this universe work differently".

My point is, using the "it's like this because Toby wanted it to be like that" is not only a baseless argument, it also allows you to argue for anything.

That literally makes no sense, amd here's what he said: "After I regain control of the timeline...I just want to reset everything."

This is what he actually said: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6gS2LPXdIc5NmwzSXVGdzByemc/view

Note: "total control." He already had what Omega Flowey had, due to being as strong as OF, with even more power on top this time around, but he was still missing the reset ability. That's what he meant by "total control", that after he gains it, he will finally be able to reset again. This also goes to imply a bonus fact, and that is, that OF, due to being weaker also didn't have the reset ability.

This conclusion implies that us reloading through quitting the game is a plot hole. Of course, you could come up with a different explanation that wouldn't need to assume this plot hole, but, and here's where I get a bit controversial, I think this is what Toby meant here. I don't think Asriel would be so proud of himself in that fight if he wasn't sure that we couldn't just cancel his reset attempt through killing us by simply reloading. It's just not the behavior I'd expect from him, or rather anyone in his position at that point in time. Maybe Mad Dummy, I reckon he'd be mad enough to act like this, to act as if he's the king of the timeline, when in fact, he's not.

Frisk and the Player are two separate entities, this is made abundantly clear by the Pacifist Ending.

It's a head canon that the player has an influence over Frisk. But what if the player isn't a canon entity? What if Frisk's actions are not canonically guided by anyone but themselves? We're not actually really controlling them, we're merely writing their story, giving them their own character by making them act this way and that way. If you play the pacifist route, that's who your Frisk is. If you do the genocide and then leave the game, that's who your Frisk is. If you do everything imaginable, explore and probe every single aspect and part of the game... that's who your Frisk is. Their personality isn't all the routes combined together. It's what you actually MAKE them do in the game that's them. Because those other routes haven't actually happened if you don't do them.

That is my head canon. Yours is what you said.

This explains nothing, nor makes any sense.

I've already explained it. When it's a sum of all the traits, a perfect balance, you can think of their personality as being the same distance away from all 6 traits, ergo none being dominant, ergo giving the illusion that there are actually none, because there is no contrast, no dominance. Does it make more sense now?

''Water is made up of 1 Hydrogen and 2 Oxygen atoms. He likely means the same things with the traits.''

So the traits are actually made up of atoms which form molecules?