Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-32182236-20171213151556/@comment-32182236-20171214022042

Of course my later theories would be more concise, they were created later on, and therefore aren't (as) outdated. Before then we were just counterpointing each other, hence we brought up the same points over and over, all to talk about the red SOUL. This is the timeline, much more concise, and later on, when I got better at theorizing.

"Unsupported claim. You don't know if the relations were always peaceful."

Somewhat true-The intro never said two races ruled over the earth in harmony. But, they didn't go to war against each other, due to how violently that'd end (extinction of the monsters.. Or the barrier would be made earlier.)

"You don't know if one day such thing really happened. The depiction in the Waterfall might have been just an artist's rendition. I can draw a god's butthole and no one will believe me that I've actually seen it."

It's not just the art. It's A- the fact that monsters have this knowledge in the FIRST place, and B-This was used in serious history study by the monsters. Drawing a butthole is one thing, but try doing that and getting it to be used by serious historians. AND convince them all that it actually exists. Monsters really can do this, and monsters knew this. Their prior knowledge proves they did this before.

"On a planet called Earth, in the system of Sol, located in the Milky Way. Yeah. And Warehouse 13 is a documentary."

I don't see your point. There's explicitly humans, and Vegetoid's description is "Not monitored by the USDA." This is most certainly on a planet called Earth, in the system of Sol, located in the Milky Way. Not just that, but the Milky Way in the Laniakea Supercluster.

"In all honesty, that could have been the year 3000 BC. The technology was there back then. Just because the sword looks "Celtic" doesn't mean the image depicts the friggin' Celts, does it?"

A Celtic is a Celtic.

"Could have happened during Asriel's lifetime too. Plus, a motherfucking microphone shortly after the imprisonment? Are you still out of this world?"

The first sentence is valid. As for the second, I never said "shortly after". I meant like SEVERAL DECADES after, with Gaster as the Royal Scientist. And if the war did happen in 3000BC, that means there was a 5000-year gap, placing Chara's fall around 600-900 years after the war, giving the monsters much more time.

"Could have also been because of Chara."

Reasonable-Except not, because Chara doesn't have a bed in the Ruins. Chara must have fell sometime after the journey began at the start of 201X.

"It actually says "The date I came here." - The date they arrived to New Home specifically. Not the date they fell."

My theory actually says "During the journey, Chara Dreemurr falls", not "After the journey, Chara Dreemurr falls". Of course Chara didn't fall on the date of New Home, they fell earlier than that. I'd say mid-201X.

"Chara Dreemurr. Coincidental surname? Don't tell me that that was their name even prior to the fall."

I guess I misrepresented things in the theory-I used Chara Dreemurr because that's who we know them as now. But yes, it's true that before they fell, their name likely wasn't Chara Dreemurr. I guess I should have just said Chara.

"Not sure what you mean by "after the Waterfall portion". Are you implying they fell down in Hotland or something?"

I meant exactly what I said-Remember the journey the monsters took to New Home? THAT journey? Chara had to fall sometime after that, because of the plaques the monsters wrote in Waterfall. Chara must have fell after those plaques were written, so the monsters must have already gotten to Waterfall to write those plaques.

"Chara couldn't have known that the power would be split between them. There are simply no sources citing so. Therefore, their plan WAS what they told Asriel, as they weren't planning to be in control. Only after realizing that they in fact were in control did their plans change."

...You ACTUALLY raise a good point-There aren't any sources that cite that this is what happens, so saying Chara knew this would be just as crazy as saying the monsters had the knowledge of absorbing a SOUL before they actually did it. I guess Chara put their friend and the other monsters even above destroying all of humanity. (Alternatively, they realized that they too were human, and therefore...)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6gS2LPXdIc5V1paSE9peGRtQm8/view

Noted-That was a mistake in my theory-I'll be correcting it now-If you're reading this, I already have. CHARA brought the body. You know, just like the game says in the photo you quoted. We're in agreement.

"New Home was built on top of the CORE. Gaster therefore made it before the children died, before Chara fell down, before the monsters even relocated."

Well, I'm moving that around in my timeline then! But no, it wouldn't mean before the relocation journey began. It would just mean before they built New Home-My theory is now that Gaster built the Core as the monsters ventured through Hotland, but before they actually got to where New Home would be.

"Magical technology for sure. Not so sure about non-magical technology."

They have VHS tapes in the 12th-13th century. Of course they're ahead in non-magical technology.. Or they made magical VHS tapes, that works too!

"Not sure if you're implying that they were the one with the orange soul, or if they were simply brave to leave. Also, no reason to think that anyone got captured. It may be likely, but who knows, really."

It's the child OF bravery:So yes, the one with the orange SOUL. Though, as you say it, it could have been any child-We don't know for sure what order they fell in-In fact, it may have even been the SOUL of patience, in which case they may have died in the Ruins. (The door out is one-way, so their stuff couldn't have returned to the Ruins if they left. You could say that another human dropped their stuff after finding better in the Ruins, as it's the worst class to get away with this, though. We know for sure SOMEBODY died in the Ruins, though.)

"Yeah... except for Asgore. He ain't special in anything though. So there's no reason to think that anyone forgot Gaster due to some unnatural event."

Asgore needing a new scientist could just be interpreted as there being a massive void of no scientists, and him needing a scientist, or knowing there had to have been a scientist to, well, create the CORE, but just not knowing WHO that was. I never said Asgore specifically remembers Gaster. He DOESN'T.

"Nice headcanons you've got there."

Thanks there. (Yes, I do get that they're headcanons, if you're actually sarcastic and trying to prove a point. But remember, Undyne DID lose her eye, and the SOUL of Justice's gun is mysteriously empty, and SOMEONE had to try to teach Undyne how to cook... Yeah, that's my reasoning.)

"Another possibility is that his resets didn't affect the surface. So after x resets, a human would fall down naturally, due to the time passing normally up there."

That is a possibility, it hasn't been fully debunked yet-While I myself don't see this as plausible, that's just me-Without any real evidence, that means nothing. (Though I'm planning on analyzing Chara destroying and resetting the world, along with the True Reset to see just how possible that view really is. I haven't actually done it yet, though, and I'm not using evidence that I don't have. So, that means nothing.) I'll accept that it's a possibility for now.

"I'd argue the technologies should be more aligned than that. Near future at the very least. Because, well... striped shirts in 201X, if 201X ain't the present... I dunno."

Maybe we can take a look at the history of fashion to see if they were a thing earlier on-As of right now though, I don't see a problem with striped shirts in the past.

"And the monsters probably didn't make these things themselves, since they wouldn't be that ahead anyways. What would even speed them up so much?"

Gaster. Remember, most of our discoveries weren't a result of millions of people working together, but one genius making a massive discovery. And we have a consistent one right here... The most brilliant scientist that ever was... W. D. Gaster. Such a shame nobody remembers him. Well, almost nobody.

"But not the buildings, or any of the infrastructure. Rite. This makes complete sense. /s"

Because the monsters would rather destroy humans' infrastructure and start from square one rebuilinding everything, rather than just keeping it around and claiming it as their own. /s

"By the way, I think Toby once said on Twitter something along the lines of integration of the monsters into the human society going smoothly, suggesting that humans ARE present."

Toby's tweets aren't canon. If they're so infallible, then why do they claim not to be? https://twitter.com/tobyfox/status/802150493992714240