Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20190820122909/@comment-26006155-20190822172953

Hello Jacky, welcome to the thread.

And thanks for reading all 120 pages of the script. I try to be brief, but the material is very rich and dense, so I tried to be as thorough as possible.

We had a talk about exactly when Flowey's form and memories reset earlier in the thread. Asriel seems to revert to flower form only when we restart a new game of Undertale ourselves, and Flowey greets us at the beginning. He warns us against using the very power he sought to use, and insists that if we're reallly going to replay the game, we have to do a True Reset that will also reset his memories. Asriel has no idea how many True Resets have already happened, and figures we've already heard this speech hundreds of times already.

So while Asriel resets to Flowey form whenever we restart the game, only the True Resets reset his memory.

My theories make a big assumption, and it's that Alphys and Gaster both recorded their own versions of Lab Entry 17 at the same point in both the Alpha and Beta timelines.

Sort of like how the first phone call of FNAF 2, which was actually pre-recorded years earlier at the location's first opening in summer, establishes that the events at the start of both of Jeremy's shifts were so similar that Phone Guy didn't feel the need to record a new tape. Two events linked together in time, that are designed to be compared and contrasted.

Alphys recorded her Entry 17 in the recent past, perhaps even a few weeks or days earlier when the Amalgamates formed. She's still getting curious letters from families wondering what happened to their Fallen loved ones.

I find it haunting that while Gaster must have died years earlier in Undertale's timeline, since it took so long for Asgore to hire a new Royal Scientist, his Entry 17 almost seems to reach across timelines to animate Flowey. The Darkest Experiment is mentioned right between 16's "No No No No!" and 18's "The Flower's Gone".

It seems that both scientists were working on similar projects in the attempts to destroy the Barrier with monster soul power, both of which required the use of a vessel that was neither human nor monster to contain all the souls to focus all their power in one place. So I think in the orignal timeline, Gaster also created Flowey, and the Alpha and Beta timelines overlapped so closely at the point The Darkest Experiment was supposed to happen that Alpha Gaster was able to influence Undertale's Beta Timeline.

Then you get into details where both Undertale and Deltarune seem to refer to both Asriel and Gaster as "Him". And the Elevator Voice which seems more likely to be Gaster than Asriel comes out of Hyperdeath Asriel's mouth in the boss fight, as if this once-vessel was still being puppeted by the scientist who made him.

It's a lot of feather-touches to go on, but I think wheen viewed together they create a very tight pattern that explain many otherwise unexplainable events in the games.

201X is a very important time period in Undertale.

Toriel has a calendar from earlier 201X in Home in the Ruins. Combined with Asriel's single bed, and it seems that the Dreemur family must have been living at Home in 2010, and the new Capital of New Home hadn't been established yet, and Chara had yet to arrive.

Then there's the MTT royal memorial fountain, built in what must have been the middle of 201X, after New Home had been established. New Home and the Core are linked structures in Undertale, so I think Gaster's Arrival was what caused the monsters to lose their fear of humans, make the migration to New Home, and build Gaster's Core. And why I think the MTT memorial fountain was for Gaster himself, even if the fountain can't remember him any more than the rest of the world.

The third time 201X is mentioned is in Asgore's house in New Home. Neutral and Pacifist runs reveal that a date at "The End of 201X" is circled on Asgore's calendary. And Chara reveals in the Genocide Route that this is the time they arrived in New Home.

Building exact dates may be impossible, since "The End of 201X" could mean December 31st. Or just Winter 2019. Or just 2019 in general. Although since flowers weren't in bloom with Chara originally fell, and their doomed Buttercup Adventure with Asriel required springtime, it's safe to assume that The Buttercup Adventure must have been in Spring 2020 at the earliest.

But we've been clearly given three events that happened in Early 201X, Middle 201X, and The End of 201X. So we do have enough information to establish a relative timeline.