Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-32182236-20180104155430/@comment-32182236-20180923004749

Oh. Thank you, how nice of you! You didn't have to, but thanks!"

You're welcome. I decided I wasn't going to keep in stuff that you already responded to a different version of later on anyway. I'll be getting to your other post soon, and perhaps I'll still go on to go through my SECOND post that you haven't gotten to yet, once again getting rid of stuff already dealt with before.

"Not is is not. They LITERALLY said that. That is the actual line word for word."

You interpret it as: "Why was I brought back to life? You.| With your guidance, I realized the purpose of my reincarnation."

I see it as: "Why was I brought back to life? You. With your guidance. |I realized the purpose of my reincarnation.

I don't see how I'm changing what they said. (The vertical line signified the change in topic, in BOTH cases.)

"No. They ask a rhetorical quesiton that Frisk could not have answered anyways, there is no way they would have known."

The whole point of a rhetorical question is that you're supposed to think about it. Not necessarily answer it, sometimes the point is you can't give an answer and it's meant to show the error of your analysis, but in this case? There's really no use for that.

"Chara is recounting what they were thinking in the beginning. Then they change the subject to our guidance."

Without even indicating the shift in topic? That doesn't make sense. The shift only becomes obvious on the next line:Chara realized the purpose of their reincarnation.

"(And even if you take that you, as being the answer, it's still true, since it was Frisk's determination that work up their essense Flowey style. So it doesn't matter."

The point is, it leads up to "your guidance."

"After that they change the topic to talk about our guidance."

All Chara had to do was put a comma and that would be enough to indicate this point of view.

"Because guidance cannot bring someone back bro, you can't guide a corpse and expect it to come back to life..."

..Um, telling them to stay determined? Call out to their name, as Flowey somewhat theorized? Of course your power, your determination plays the most important role.

"And these choices of genocide happened outside of the radius of Chara's corpse, they would have to have been brought back at the first moment of the game."

They WERE. They're the narrator, remember? At the latest, it's right after the Flowey fight, which is still far before we make our choice of which path we want to take.

"The periods(or some kind of ending punctuation) are in every line, it's how they talk, they seem to be talking with lots of space in between, which we see in the game as we get one line of dialogue at a time. Chara isn't talking in paragraphs of words just sentance by sentance."

Still, even each sentence should remain as whole. "With your guidance, I realized the purpose of my reincarnation" would be ONE sentence. That's why a period doesn't belong there. It's one sentence. And Chara has all the space they want, they have no reason to split that into two lines.

"Yes it does. You, your experiences taught them the purpose of their re-encarnation. If you choose genocide the purpose is power that it is ALWAYS kill or be killed and the mission is more important, if you choose pacifist the purpose is mercy, that Asriel was right."

"So, why was Chara brought back to life? What was their purpose?"-Entity A

"You."-Entity B

"..Um, what?"-Entity A

"Yeah. You ARE their purpose."-Entity B

"..How is that supposed to make any sense?"-Entity A

...Yeah, how is it? I was saying that "you" doesn't make sense as an answer to "for what purpose was I brought back to life?" And since it came directly after that question, it HAS to be the answer to said question. Of course, if we just ask what brought them back, why they were brought back, it makes total sense, and that's the interpretation I chose.

"The way I see it is structured like this, Chara makes a statement that your power, your determination revived them, they were confused as to why they we were revived, the answer was you. Then they move on to talk about how your Guidance showed them the way of the world."

By making it all confusing and misleading, when Chara could have made it very obvious just by replacing ONE PERIOD with a comma. Wow, NotEvil!Chara, you must be even lazier than Sans. And I thought NOBODY could be lazier than Sans.

"They did not come to life because of our guidance, like Flowey they came back to life due to the presense of Determination. Again, it's Flowey, but with a corpse instead of a Flower."

Yes, Chara like Flowey here. Also, the corpse can't even be used as a vessel anymore-It's decayed. So, Chara's stuck as a ghost/demon.

"No, their plan to gain power is made after all this, it's the plan to erase "this world" and move on to the next "world"  (the next video game, of course! Killing enemies and all. )"

..I don't see Chara anywhere. Toby Fox, if SUoveranalyzer is right, can you please just make another game that acts as a sequel to Undertale where you get to do what Chara wanted? ..Only if they're right, if Chara was scamming, well, you can just keep it that way.

"They followed YOU throughout the game, they had no plan of their own."

They followed you because they were STUCK with you. You're their only source of determination.

"They let you do your own thing and abort genocide runs just fine."

Yes, because they can't force you to kill. They don't like you aborting genocide runs, though.

"The comedian got away. Failure"-Charrator

See? They called you a failure because you spared Snowdrake.

"Chara has no plans to kill Humanity after all this.  (Especially since erasing the SAVE file kills everything) they are focused on the "next world".    This whole "kill humanity" thing is your fanon bro.  There is no hint of it in the game."

Seems you missed my point. I was trying to justify the Genocide Run to Chara. By telling Chara it was never my intention to kill humanity or destroy the world-That I only killed the monsters so that nobody could wipe out the humans anymore. You know, with the ability of absorbing a human SOUL, and since they're CLEARLY the bad guys, they're definitely going to do that if I don't kill them? (Once again, this is the RPG warped mentality coming through) That kind of stuff is what I meant.

"See what's going on here is that, Chara, holds the SAVE file, they could always do something like erasing the world, normally they would never,  but now that Chara has gathered the LOVE, the mental stregth to kill without guilt, and now that Asriel is dead.  "There's nothing left for us here.

That is, there is nothing tethering Chara to this world, their family is dead, the only race that accepted them is dead, their best friend is dead, so to hell with the world! And now that they've learned this is the meaning of life, thanks to you, they're content with spending eternity destroying Universes."

But it's NOT the meaning of life! All of that was to PROTECT humanity, by killing their enemy!

"And of course you have nothing left to kill(and no, humans don't count regardless, remember, LOVE kills monsters because their bodies, due to being in tune with the SOUL are weak to emotions like hate, this shit wouldn't effect a human that has a physical body they would be a baby with a gardening tool again.), and since Chara (at this moment) thinks us two are besties, hence the "us"."

You misunderstood me. I didn't say humans to kill, I said humans to befriend. I ONLY kill monsters, Chara. And that's because they're the humans' enemies.

..You know, I guess I didn't remove ALL the redundancy. I probably should have cut this or the next time I mentioned this out, or merged the two like I did some other places.

"I'd imagine it wouldn't only be boring and too easy to kill them, but also impossible due to game mechanics and such and Chara knows this (the knowledge that keeps Gerson alive, we can't attack shopkeepers.) besides they have all the LOVE they need to destroy the world with no guilt so we don't need any more kills."

Yes, that's a reason to destroy the world to get it all over with.

"No, by coming back to this world (this game) you show Chara you did this just for fun and want your toy Universe back not for the purpose of getting stronger. And Chara comes to that conclusion, and, just like on the "No" path, feels betrayed and that you think you are above concequences and proceeds to kinkshame you."

I came back because I was looking for Chara. I wanted to talk to them. I wanted to find them.

"If you deny this accusation, they ask "..Then what are you looking for?"  after all, this world was destroyed.   What ARE you looking for?"

You, Chara. I was looking for you. And now I found you. Now, when can we go to the next world together?

"Genocide Chara explains especially in the second genocide dialogue, that they are with you in any game with in the form of rising stats.  (As this is the metaphor Toby is going for.)  YOU lead them to the next world."

No, they said they are the feeling you get WHEN the stats increase. I want you, the real Chara to come with me! We're supposed to be partners, and I want to keep it that way, Chara!

"No, this is the compromise, a compromise is an agreement that makes both people happy."

Well I wanted to stay friends with the monsters because I'm a good guy now.

"I may have believed this earlier, my mistake, but Chara didn't want your SOUL to have a soul again(doesn't make sense, it wouldn't work anyways as we see with omega Flowey and Asriel without being SAVED, being in possesion of SOUL while being SOUL-less doesn't give you one.)"

Actually, Omega Flowey CAN feel again, though he isn't saved. "It feels great to have a SOUL again! I can feel them wriggling."

"I now realize, Chara wanted your SOUL specifically for this purpose."

So they could kill everyone again, and assume control over you whenever they want? Yes, that's exactly what it was for. For this scam.

"The compromise was. You get your toy Universe to screw with, but you don't get your happy ending."

I'm reformed, now. I'm not like this anymore, I deserve a happy ending. If Asgore deserves a happy ending after killing 6 humans, Asriel deserves a happy ending after getting the two of you killed, and trying to reset everything, kill everyone, and so many more genocidal acts, and HASN'T CHANGED, and I'm supposed to spare him when he's Flowey, and I'm supposed to spare Asgore when he's still evil, then you Chara, you should spare them too. If you wanted them dead anyway, why did you ask me to do the pacifist in the first place? What's the point? Why should I be good if it's all pointless? ..Just for that, I'm switching back to Genocide.

"Chara from genocide timeline can take your body and take it away. Because you are not above concequences. You don't get to play with their lives and also be friends with them.  (Poor Sans, imagine the existential crisis....now I know how he feels..)"

Asriel did the exact same thing. Why should I spare him? Why should I befriend him? Why didn't you want me to kill him originally?

"You can't just do what you want and get away with it. Of course again, if you're a dirty hacker then it's really sad for this final judgement. In the end you win, don't ya!"

Yes, I do win!

"No, again, being SOULless doesn't make you evil at all, just incapable of feeling love."

You're right, I just used that as a time frame. Asriel betraying them was what REALLY made them evil, the SOULlessness only made that get stronger. Like I said in my other posts.

"Chara was neutral with 1 LV at first, it is our choices that shape their future."

Then why don't we see this good Chara in action? Why are they less helpful than a Froggit when it comes to sparing? (A Froggit practically spells out how to spare Toriel.) Yep, Froggits are more helpful and useful in pacifist than Chara.

"Well, yes. (Though at this point it's likely, to the humans, the whole Monster things was probably scoffed off and all that remains is the fact no one who goes in comes back.)  But pacifist Frisk was the kind of person to find another way!"

But I'm not Pacfist Frisk, I'm Genocide Frisk. We're not the same, and we don't even exist on the same timeline. My point is, this is no reason for Chara to destroy the world, when from my point of view, I was actually SAVING the world. That's the kind of thing that belongs as a response to Chara's actions in pacifist (post-geno or not)

"Chara saw monsters as the enemy to their mission, they were resisting our attempts to gain power by fighting back. Though they could also be looking through Frisk's perspective(as they do in those analysis of Frisk's feelings), the Monsters were trying to attack them."

Exactly, they're the enemy.

"Chara does refer to Monsters as "Enemy" even in pacifist (though I think it stops, likely as Frisk's mind changes in pacifist) while trying convince you not to kill them.  "Life's hard for this enemy" aww, poor thing."

..Yes, it's hard. They're literally trying to fight you, I'm pretty sure a monster fighting a human is hard.

"I knew that, lol!  I was just taking a gamble, most of the fandom has adopted it. Hey! We agree on that!"

Yep, we do! The song "Undertale" contains "Once Upon a Time" and "Memory", and is a story about Chara and Asriel. We already have Asriel's theme, so the other makes sense as Chara's theme. The intro is about Chara, Asriel's fight (containing "Once Upon a Time" is about his relationship with Chara).. You can see PLENTY of links between the two across the game.

"It was always Chara, they were always the one to tell you that the File was saved, if anything you just asked them to save for you (It's kinda like Undertale YELLOW and Flowey, if you played that fan game.), and Chara shows you how little control you have when they erase the file and refuse to give it back until you make a deal."

Saying that the file is saved doesn't imply they're the ones saving the file. Technically, we'd be tied in determination, both having the same capacity for determination, having originally had determination as their SOUL trait (Frisk still does, Chara has no SOUL anymore.)

"Then stay here for all Eternity". *void*

Seems they completely "forgot" about the plan of going to the next world, aren't they? Why didn't they suggest that as an option?

"But yeah, lol.   Frisk probably is.  Chara: "SINCE WHEN WERE *YOU* THE ONE IN CONTROL?!" * *takes save file and stabs it the words "File Erased." appear as it cracks like with Omega Flowey, shatters SAVE file*  Frisk: O shi- *void*"

Yep.

"Nope, just you buddy, Chara is your protegé!"

..Jury's still out on that one.

"Because metaphor. And that would probably true of all the Humans in my theoretical backstory. They all "fell" quote end quote, for the same reason and could SAVE and LOAD like a video game character."

..That's not an explanation. I meant in-universe. Like, in the world of the game itself.