Talk:Chara/@comment-32182236-20171231225824/@comment-33883848-20180214165659

"Yeah, that is what Sans says, but the real question is simply this:How dos that even work with physics? Humans are made of physical matter, so their persistence shouldn't be affected by non-physical quantities. (And Alphys proved that DT is indeed a physical thing.)"

Perhaps its because of monsters's attacks:as much you distance yourself as less their attacks would harm you less because your distance from yourself allows you to not care about your own damages(thats also make sence with the fact that love is stands for "level of violence"because not only its increases your willigness to hurt others but also possibly yourself so increases your careless about yourself)

"That would be correct. Your job is to kill everyone. But who GAVE you that job? =)"

Thats wrong because Chara assume its you who started it "thats was funny Lets finish the job"end of the ruins demo version

"finish"indicates that Frisk started the job since Chara doesnt gave any kill count in thhs ruins.And please why Chara need a high "level of violence"to create the kill count?love's power is too much overestimated by the fandom ,let get enough of what the game says about it ok?

"Actually, the job is aborted because it's become impossible to complete. Since Snowdrake got away, you can't kill everyone, you can't get NEO to show up and kill him in one hit, and you can't fight and kill Sans. Your LV will be, at maximum, 18 in the end. Chara wants the maximum 20. No lower will no. (The bar might even be higher, considering two more kills happened after this, which would yield even more EXP)"

Actuallly you still have a possiblity to kill him because he wasnt evacuated by Alphys.Its likely because you have proven them that you cannot kill him which shows that "kll or be killed"isnt absolute so the fact that Chara aborted because its impossible to complete the kill count isnt contradicts my interpretion,my interpreation only complete it

"Except even if you don't, as long as it isn't a unique encounter, it still works. For example, if there's "1 left", you can spare the Jerry and wait for a monster that yields more EXP. By doing this, Jerry lives. So.. Why does Chara still believe it's absolute again? ("The job", on the other hand, is to kill a certain number of monsters in each area, so you can fight NEO, then Sans, and max out your LV.)"

Exept the reason why Jerry can be avoid its likely because they can regenates themself(i mean i killedthem 3 times but they were never dead unlike for other unique monsters) So they are an exeption or this rule because they are unkillable.So thats in no way contradicts my interpretation and thats the only reason i see thats can logically explain why Chara doesnt want you to kill them because why would else they avoid to kill monster they likely hate?"Icecap and Snowdrake confront you, sighing. Jerry"

"Because why else would they assume you want to recreate the old world? Since we have no choice to actually move onto the next world, staying in the void for 10 minutes would happen either way. That's where Frisk is trapped. They can't exactly leave the void lol, so staying there for 10 minutes shouldn't tell Chara anything. They'd have no reason to take that as a message Frisk wants to go back to the world they just destroyed 10 minutes ago. But.. If Chara is doing this to manipulate Frisk..."

Because why would you open the game then?From what i learned in the game,every time you close and reopen the game you are brought back to your latest save file(exept during omeaga flowey fight because they taken this power).So when the player open the game,Frisk likely wants to back to their previous save file so to "back to the world they destroyed"exept it isnt possible because Chara erased all your save files.So thats why they know thats Frisk wants to go "back"(its also interesting that they say "back"and not recreate as Frisk is triying to go back to the world they destroyed by trying to reload their save file)Its was easy to figured out isnt it?

As i said before,your next world is likely the void because Chara offers you the choice to erase or not the world while they can do it themself.So instead of trying to manipulate us by creating the whole myth of a next world they would erase the world themself

"Chara, you know, maybe the reason you seem to be a failure is because you're a human too, right? Don't trust another human like yourself, go seek the guidance of goatmom. She was much better, after all, right? (Yes, I'm taking the stance of Chara's "hatred of humanity" here, but only to argue against what Chara did. I'm presenting something else Chara SHOULD have done, if what you argue is indeed true.)"

Exept they cannot always follow neither Toriel neither anyone else only you because they are in Frisk's body.So Frisk is the most effective guide as Chara can follow every of their action.

"They still betray you. Maybe WE shouldn't have trusted THEM. The only reason why they helped us kill is because they too wanted the monsters dead. They were using us. They stop helping you out like that RIGHT when you stop the genocide. I mean, they go right from calling us a great partner to saying this is all our fault and scolding us. ...Which one seems more in character for someone who hates humanity?" They doesnt betray you they rather erase the world because "you made your choice long ago"and if Chara really wanted monsters dead then they would kill all the monsters on their own(dont come with this magical "love"word because absolutely nothing implies its is required to take control of anyone,after all Chara could take control over asriel's body without love and they take control over Frisk in a souless pacifist run without love) or at least would provide the kill count since the beggining.And Chara help in all runs(https://determinators.tumblr.com/post/159674581147/greetings-uh-so-ive-been-working-on-this).

And i stated before,Chara seems to be optimistic if you dont kill and pessimistic if any monster was killed "its a bag of dog food its half full"-no murders

"its a bag of dog food its half emty"-if any murder was commited

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is_the_glass_half_empty_or_half_full%3F

http://www.differencebetween.info/difference-between-half-full-and-half-empty

"Those "flashbacks" of Asriel could be deduced from the story the monsters gave in New Home. Now do you see why it take a Neutral Run first before you can do a Pacifist run? :3 Also, each time it's info on items or monsters, they're presented as statistics. They even insist on speaking through the HUD-And no, the HUD isn't speaking through them, because we don't see their icon like with everyone else. "Reading this doesn't seem like the best use of your time"-Sans Genocide Battle, Phase 2 Flavor Text"

Narrator's aware of the HUD.

It's almost as if they want us to treat this world as a game, and play through it mathematically... cond genocide end)"

HOW would Frisk knows all those details of Asriel's memories?And their story could have been learn in a pacifist run to so its very likely that Toby fox only create this run because he wanted us to do the super,awesome,epic battle against Flowey And why all frisk's friends memories are shared by the player but asriel's ones by Frisk? And monsters provide their own statistics"atk high def high refuses to give more deatils about its statistics" and this is how they see most of the monsters "its too sensitive to fight","knows best for you"and they are also implicated to provide options since the save option during Asriel's battle only comes after Chara suggested it. For items's stats,they provide you because they want to help you to surivive"finally a protective piece of armor"-old tutu And Chara deosnt see the game euh...as a game and its basically a factt "to the WORLD you destroyed" "you continue to recreate this WORLD" "THe whole world is ending"-asriel's fight And for the hud,its very likely a 4 breaking joke not supposed to been taken seriosly as the game always make,for example "you can check whatever you want"-aaron say that if you check him "We are not like all those sickos who only watching us instead of doing it themseves"

"They were wondering what they were doing back alive? Why aren't they dead? Besides, as I pointed out, there's a period after "With your guidance", rather than a comma, which should be there if your interpretation is correct." they literaly ask"why",and here the definition of this word https: //www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/why https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/why its literally mean for "what purpose or reason" so here what they basically saying "for what purpose or reason i was brought back to life?" if Chara had any plan on their own then thats wouldnt make any sence so please to go too deep with very logical things And "i realized the purpose of my reincarnation"is CLEARLY followed by "with your guidance".And here how Chara feel at first "At first i was so confused our plan is failled right?",how a confused person can have a very detailled plan?

"Translators in general aren't very effective. This is because when something's literally translated into another language, meaning is lost, and others assumed-For example, translating "you" into Japanese using this would always get you the same word, despite the fact that there's many forms of "you" that should be used depending on context. Similar problems exist with Japenese back to English, because a Japenese word might mean more than one English word, so the translator just picks the most commonly used one... Which is sometimes false.. Here, translate intro narration of Undertale into Japanese, then back into English, and spot the differences. (Use Google Translate like before). Here's the intro to translate" dude i translated it word after word and together in three languages i speaking(russian ,french and english)and thats gave the exact same thing

"You're why they exist in the first place. Without your determination, they can't live on. Besides, letting Asgore do it means Chara can't kill Asgore." If Chara REALLY wanted destroyed humanity they would gave your soul to Asgore is the same way Frisk done and its also appears like Frisk can live on for a while without determination as indicated by the end of your second genocide run since Chara,the one who has your soul appears separetly

"Frisk doesn't cross the barrier in a Neutral Run. Plus, Chara doesn't gain physical form until at the lowest LV20."

Frisk acctually does http://adamency.tumblr.com/post/143766235842/frisks-escape-from-the-underground And Chara is  be able to kill all of your friends in a soulles pacifist end  where you deosnt have any love right?

And why  and how"level of violence"could allow them to gain physical form? "Your True Knife does. =)"

ok first "MOUAH HAHAHAHAH I WILL ERADICATE 7 BILLIONS HUMANS WITH MY KNIFE MOUAHAHA EVEN IF ITS TOOK ALL ETERNETY I WILL AND NOONE ABSOLUTELY NOONE COULD STOP ME!!!" second, the real knife and the dagger is the same exact item since they can be found in the same exact place finally,even if Chara somehow could get  acces two nuclear bomb they couldnt even  destoye three towns

"Considering how Chara considers the Dogi being killed as "funny", Chara seems to be doing this for fun too... But they plan on it staying that way. Besides, they're the one who assumed you wanted to recreate the world, and never gave you the chance to destroy another world. They're the ones that, after 10 minutes, supposedly just ASSUME we want to recreate the world, with no basis to said assumption whatsoever".

Actually Chara only see the dogs's death as funny if more than 21 monsters were killed(http://nochocolate.tumblr.com/post/143337942070/dog-food-you-just-remembered-something-funny),so  because they are  likely corrupted and in pacifist run there is no murders and even if Chara do see murders as funny ,its not a reason to kill monsters,after all even if Chara sees murders as "funny"in the genocide run they still see that as a job"thats was funny let finish the job"

"Flowey was also soulless, but he cared for his friends until he decided he'd start killing for fun because he was bored with the SAVE ability. At first he used his new powers for good! But, in Chara's case, there is no case of them starting off good." Oh really ?you know Toby Fox or something to affirm that despite the fact its not stated in the game?

3...Really? Being serious implies sadness? No! They're serious because they treat this like a GAME. The goal and job is to kill them, and they will take that job seriously.3

what implies sadness are all of dreemurs fights where Chara becomes completely silent.,when Asriel talk about how much he cares about them,when asgore broke the mercy buton and when Toriel please you to return above(that and also the fact that "...."is in red(a colour thats indicate a strong emotion )when you check the family photo in genocide)

And also Chara is sad if Toriel is killed in any run"Noone will use this anymore"-the cooker's check if Toriel is killed and their description of her  always says "knows best for you"

So its doesnt seems like they want their death at all right?

And is being serious implies they sees that as a game?I mean a game is supposed to be funny and you supposed to see its as funny

"​Flowey tried to be good at first. Chara didn't even do that. While their lack of a SOUL may have indeed played a part on why they're different, it can't be the full story. Also, they still have a childish personality because they're still a child."

​Again you assume that Chara never tried to be good because?and flowey proove that he can be good even without a soul so why not Chara?Why would Chara changes that much even without a soul?If Chara shares have the same consciosness the same childish personality with their old self why they would be that different after their death?

"And then Toby actually DID release merch of Chara-An official Chara tarot card. Therefore, this comment was a joke/troll answer."

Toby fox stated that a mouth ago while the tarot carts are in sale for a long time https://www.reddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/7ov4j8/toby_foxs_official_response_on_why_there_wont_be/

"Yeah, and some of them weren't actually evil, like laughing the buttercup incident off (not laughting AT it, really, Chara probably thought the pun was funny). Chara's plan was to free the monsters. Everything up to their death wasn't pure evil. But everything AFTER their death was."

Well the fact that they hated humanity and that they was the one who took their own body to the village and that they wanted to kill all of the attackers which would wage war against humanity heavily supports that they have a much darker motives and "free"word is also ambiguous in the game (thats can refer to death too as with the case of the "angel of death") Even if many things contradicts that,thats enough to make players to see them as evil in life too

"He's going to become evil again too. For the same reason as the first time, as well. Just wait until he starts SAVING and LOADing again."

because ...?why you seems to figured out many things from the game that no player ever could ,now its would be greater if you reveal how?

"let them go,let frisk be happy let them live their life"-Flowey in post credits

"How? Really, I'd say it was proven NONE of the fallen humans had reset power, due to the fact that they all died to Asgore."

"he hehe  i had a feeling.When humans fall down here strangely i often feel like i already know them"-Toriel they likely  died because they loss their willigness to live on