Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31981697-20170722123329/@comment-32182236-20170816125752

2)Actually MatPat is the one going meta a lot, taking evidence from other games to come to the conclusion that Sans has the Franklin Badge, instead of well.. Just a badge? His theory that Sans is Ness also has a plot hole of itself:Bones are organic matter. I consider the unique handwriting of the symbols in the secret room to be Wingdings, as it's the only strange symbols we've seen in the entire game. Of course, that too is speculation-Just the simplest option. And you have to remember that to GET to the dog room-you enter the mysterious door that IS a part of the game's world. The only things that we could say are not a part of the game's world are the stuff that can only be found by looking into the game files, not through regular gameplay:Stuff like abc_123_a.ogg.

3)If the monsters are nothing more than an obstacle.. Well.. I guess Chara still had to have lost all their love for the Dreemurrs. And the other monsters.

3.3)Well yes, of course he thought of himself as Asriel. ...Seriously? Come on, that doesn't make sense. Why can't we change our SAVE FILE name then, when we go from one extreme to the next? Unless Chara's the one with that ability, and we truly are just calling out to them...

LV0 phenomemon:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wHdamwVwOtQ (6:00) Pause when the SAVE file appears, so you can read it all before the player SAVES.

It affects the canon universe indeed. So there's a canon connection as a result. I stand by the theory that all the events that happen in the game are canon and within the story. We can't just cherry-pick our evidence. And yes, the power only reaching the underground being why we reset to the flower bed is my explanation for this ability too-It's when we first gained the ability-Therefore, it's when Reset takes us to.

...Since when were WE the one in control?

3.5)Maybe it's not LV, but Chara surely does gain power as we keep on killing. 10 million damage to Sans. 10 TRILLION to Asgore. 10^234 to the universe, which is enough to destroy it all. They're the manifestation of the feeling you get when a number increases. Therefore, when your LOVE increases, that feeds Chara power. And so would Chara getting LOVE of their OWN.

After a second genocide run, Chara specifically mentions it as "recreating" the world. We want to bring the world back. When we open the game of Undertale, we're standing in the empty void that the world has become. After 10 minutes, Chara takes notife that we're here to return to the world we destroyed. That we think we've above consequences. If we say no, they ask what we are looking for. (What about the portal to the next world, partner?)

It's probably a combination of the two. I mean, you could EASILY have air without howling wind. Toby wanted to have some noise that makes sense, and would let the players know that the game is still running. But what kind of thing could that be in a void that's supposed to be empty? Well, what about air? We'd kind of NEED air to live in the Void, after all.. So.. When does air make noise? When it's wind! Therefore, the howling wind was a clever construct that both has a purpose outside of the game universe, and one inside of it. Very clever, Toby. A for the Annoying Dog. :3

Also known as cherry-picking. *ding*

3.6)... One complication... I think we're tied with the HUD theory here. Oh wait, the HUD theory has a lot of evidence (Sans), so we should choose that one, compared to the theory with ZERO evidence.

3.7)But we know Chara's the one checking them, as they're narrating to you the results of the check. Since Frisk isn't making the check, the only way for the monsters to know to hide their stats would be if A-They're aware of Chara, or B-They're somehow aware of the HUD and knows when you choose "Check"... Which could be evidence towards a narrator existing for them, and somehow makes them special since we've already established that monsters CAN'T see the HUD..

...I'm going with option A. B's about as complex as the whole UV wave thing, and is no better at explaning things than option A.

I do have further evidence that the narrator's CHECKS can be heard, and that monsters are aware of it. "He likes to say 'Nyeh heh heh'!" Directly after said check. Papyrus says "Nyeh heh heh!" Only after that check, though. Aaron responds by saying "CHECK all you want. ; )" Tsunderplane's check:"Seems mean, but does it secretly like you?" Tsunderplane responds by saying "No why! Why would I like YOU?" So monsters CAN hear what the narrator says.

Undyne the Undying-ATK99 DEF99. Her damage doesn't live up to those numbers, and neither does the damage she takes. Those are not her stats. Also, Glyde's defense is -20, so that's not "HIGH" at all, to technically, even Glyde is lying about its stats. And it "refuses to give more details about its statistics", meaning Glyde GAVE Chara that information.

4.1)They are all at least roughly the same, but the Snowdin station has slightly less than half the snow of the others.

4.2)It's survival of the fittest, where the goal is to eradicate the enemy and live on being strong. Also, this is when Flowey thinks we're Chara, their best friend. Not some random stranger..

4.6)Only second time did she reference the fact that you have a spear. The first time, she explains to you that she meant to FACE THE BULLETS, snd the third time, she's like "JUST FACE UPWARDS!!!" Therefore, the fourth time would be a response to you not just facing upwards-You didn't understand the rules, and she wanted you to learn the rules so that the spear would actually ge useful. Even the second time she's trying to give you a hint-She said you have a spear to block the bullets with, she's expecting you to realize "Oh, I have a spear, how about I ACTUALLY USE THE SPEAR?!!!" Therefore, she's referring to the rules. The rules that are a part of the green SOUL mode. Therefore, there is no inconsistency.

4.10)Or, it could have been to set up a plot twist!! And here's the thing, the game is about MONSTERS. So really, it's the monster calendar that would be used here. And Chara assigned the date using the monster calendad because that's what they were more familiar with. We have an old calendar from the start of 201X, and from the end of 201X, being "the date I arrived" or something like that. But Chara mentions THIS is when they arrived, they're using the monster calendar. So why not ALSO use the monster calendar in the intro?

4.11)Flowey never met Frisk until afterwards, and when Frisk ended up on the flower bed. Flowey didn't kill you when you were unconcious because he didn't know you were there. Besides, falling unconsious from a giant drop would be WAY more plausible then survivng without a scratch. Leap of fath? More like leap of FAIL!

Sans-generated anomalies tell us so much about the world! Sans is a character within the game, so what he does must make sense within the world of Undertale. We can't just disregard them because they look like anomalies, if we tried disregarding stuff because they seem strange, we'd disregard quantum mechanics. Once again, we can't cherry-pick evidence.

The electromagnetic field is therefore the aether that light travels through. So there really is an ether! The electromagnetic field is our ether.

4.13)Because FIGHTing, ACTing, ect require Frisk to show their SOUL once again, using up their "turn".

The HUD is like the laws of physics- It's one of the fundamental things that exist within the world of Undertale.

Yep, the monsters just see our SOUL appearing and disappearing.

Flowey HAS no SOUL. What classifies as our life force, the one thing keeping us alive is "determination". That is why injecting Flowey with determination gave life to him. Our human determination is within our SOUL, while Flowey's determination was injected within his body. We KNOW that human determination MUST be within the SOUL, as that's where Alphys extracted it from, and what allows the SOUL to persist after "death". The only way to kill us would be to take away our will to live, our determination. This is why Undyne the Undyne was able to bring herself back to life through sheer determination, determination IS "life".

5)Chara said that Frisk heckled and said something that wasn't a heckle. Frisk did one or none. How do we find out which one? Well, the option said we heckled. So why should we just not trust the option that WE CHOSE?! We have to make a bunch of new complications just to explain what choosing an option really means, that involve putting the player into the game's world, ect.. Chara assumed we laughed AND cried, and we only chose to laugh. So, that's whay we did-We ONLY laughed, because that was our option.

There's still just as many bullets firing at you even when the button appears. So that explanation fails.

6)All this evidence is within the Asriel fight though, where Flowey DOES know that breaking the barrier is an option. So not letting you win the game, not playing with him anymore, ect all have to make sense WITH the barrier being broken as an option.

I just realized that Chara literally EXPLAINS how they were brouht back to life. "Your power awakened me from death. My 'human SOUL', my 'determination'. They were not mine, but YOURS".-Chara

So, it really WAS our determination that brought Chara back to life! So... What about the others? If red is the trait of determination, it makes perfect sense, only we had enough determination to bring Chara back. But, if we continue to assume that red is nothing special with determination, we have to explain this speech in a different way. I'm actually considering this being another piece of evidence supporting that red=determination.