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Tsskyx wrote: Cookie-Owl wrote: Tsskyx wrote: Cookie-Owl wrote: TheHumanAmbassador wrote: Well, let's analyze the nature of resets in general.

Now, monsters knowing game mechanics is nothing new. In the Genocide Route, if you threaten Gerson, he'll point out hiw you can't do anything to him in the shop window. Asgore knows them too, as he smashes the MERCY button. Flowey knows about them, but.. That's justified for a different reason.

So, this isn't just the shop Temmie. This has to do with the Annoying Dog as well. They both share uncanny knolwedge about the game's world.. But.. why?

Well.. Perhaps we'll find the answer soon enough. Perhaps it has something to do with.. some cleverness. Sort of like how Sans figured these things out..? Asgore most definetly has some sort of knowledge of resets. I've really only seen one theory that I doubt is true: the fallen kids could reset and save. That can't be true, since Flowey has always been able to. I DO have a theory, not much evidence and it is mostly based on the fact that Flowey can reset. I think maybe Flowey fought Asgore and Flowey died an unknown amount of times. He got curious to see what would happened if he told Asgore how many times he has died... and Asgore got a sense of "deja vu".

It is possible that it is because both of them are linked to real world people. This gives them knowledge. Sans finding out... I'm not sure. I just think he was born with it and started remembering Flowey's resets, but I really don't know. "I've really only seen one theory that I doubt is true: the fallen kids could reset and save. That can't be true, since Flowey has always been able to."It's not really a theory anymore, as much as a confirmed fact. Toriel said that she had a deja vu with the other kids when they arrived, which at the very least confirms that Frisk isn't the only one who could reset. Whether all of them could, and whether any of them could save and load, that is a mystery though. But if resetting was possible for some of them, this is also very likely.

As for Flowey, he most likely had nothing to do with this. Due to how he acts, it is clear he never encountered a human before Frisk after getting revived.

Here's some source info on all of this:

http://nochocolate.tumblr.com/post/139872334490/how-long-has-flowey-existed http://nochocolate.tumblr.com/post/154174945896/flowey-only-met-two-of-the-fallen-humans http://nochocolate.tumblr.com/post/141805499420/all-fallen-humans-could-save-and-reload We have no idea how many human souls were used to create Flowey. It could have been two, which I think it may be.

Here is the thing: Toriel says she OFTEN felt like she already knew the fallen humans. It's possible that, by this, she meant that she only felt this with most of them. She felt deja vu for the other kids because Flowey may have reset at random times, making them have to go through meeting Toriel all over again.

I'm not sure what you mean by how he acts. You would think that, if he has never encountered a human before, he wouldn't act as natural and seem to already know that you're a human. He already knew what he was trying to do with his 'friendliness pellets' trick since there is no way he made that up on the spot. Alright. Since you didn't bother reading those links AT ALL, I will gladly explain everything to you.

No human souls were used to create Flowey. Only determination. If Alphys wasted a whole human soul worth of determination, that power would be kinda missing then, don't you think? And yet, all 6 souls are present. So the amount of DT used on Flowey was MINISCULE compared to the human soul levels.

And no, those deja vu moments weren't caused by Flowey. Toriel said that it's been a long time since a human fell. Flowey hasn't existed for that long, because Snowdrake is still a teen, and he ran away (presumably as a teen, or as a young kid) from home after his mother didn't return from the lab. Assuming "teenage" means "teen age" as it logically should, and assuming that by a long time, Toriel means at least 20 years or so (since she is immortal and is most likely hundreds of years old, so the time she was speaking of cannot be something puny like 2 years), then there is no way Flowey encountered any of the humans that fell between Frisk and Chara.

Plus, there's this:

https://78.media.tumblr.com/16c4dd52d130f8338c995e9e659abebd/tumblr_inline_ohn6byFy0e1tnlh39_500.png

He said "apparently," as if he just discovered this. So this is news to him. So even IF he met some of the previous humans, which, as I said above, he didn't, he never had the said control in their presence to begin with. I'm sorry I wasn't clear. I meant the determination from human souls. I thought you would get that was what I meant...