Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-32182236-20190920194329/@comment-32182236-20190925184154

How is the "firmess of purpose"related to hate at all ? Hate isnt determination,hate is hate.

Have you ever wondered why monsters are so easy to spare? Think about it-It only takes two acts for a monster to go from trying to kill you, to being friends with you, they even give you gold. If you saw a human doing that, you'd probably think they have HUGE mood swings.

Seriously, it's unrealistic if it were a human doing that.

With a lack of determination, it's so easy to CHANGE their purposes. Their directives.

It's so easy to change a monster's mind, because they're not determined about ANYTHING. They don't HAVE that much determination, PERIOD.

I'm not saying Chara hates humanity because determination. I'm saying that Chara isn't so easily swayed by a few random actions because determination.

Yet they are "hyped for their destruction"and humans have killed THOUSAND and THOUSAND of monsters and trapped them in the undeground for milenia

That's literally TWO monsters, that weren't around in Chara's days, and by the time we meet Catty and Bratty, we've already seen Toriel take care of another human, as if they were her child (instead of Chara), Papyrus deciding to be friends with you (he only wants to capture a human because of Undyne), Sans flat-out protecting you, Napstablook not even reacting to the fact that you're a human, he just wants to be left alone.. The Dogs deciding to spare you over PETTING, Monster Kid flat-out being friends with the first human they see, and Undyne either deciding that destroying humanity would be wrong because you gave her some water, her still being friends with you despite you NOT giving her some water (She joins the Neutral Call anyways if you spare Toriel), or her deciding that you plan on destroying monsters AND humans, which is clearly worse than just killing monsters. Because a human life is still a good thing. Even though destroying humanity is supposed to be a goal of hers.

Oh, and Alphys being friends with a human as well. And Mettaton just playing around with the show, and flat-out says he wants to find a human audience to entertain.

And after all that, TWO monsters say that they are hyped for the destruction of humanity. Yet they're doing business with a human right now.

...I don't think that tells Chara that monsters hate humanity. It seems to suggest that monsters are totally cool with humans. That they don't see anything wrong with them.. Except, of course, the Barrier, but hey, maybe we can all be friends?

Oh, and let's not forget to take into account that right now, Chara doesn't have a SOUL. ...You still think Chara's going to be friends with the monsters? I surely don't.

"Together, we eradicated the enemy"-Chara Dreemurr

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No.There's NO reasons.Monsters live in peace with humans on the surface meaning that they can be kind too and Frisk kinda showed Chara that humans can be good too in pacifist run.And remember that Frisk is not "special"or an angel,they are just a random human kid.

Sure, Frisk isn't an angel, but that doesn't mean that everyone else is like them. If they see one good human, and a whole village of "bad" humans, if they take all of it into account, doesn't the bad outweigh the good? By A LOT? ...They'd still think the villagers that killed Chasriel were bad, I imagine.

I mean in pacifist run,they definitely care about them.They even ask Flowey why he captured them all before his fight,implying that they are worried for them.And unlike Flowey,Frisk has a soul and thus the ability to love.

I'm talking SOLELY a Souless Pacifist. Since that's the path that Chara kills everyone in. And where Frisk has no SOUL at all. (Because they gave it to Chara)

So...just because they arent inocent,they would kill them ??

From their point of view, the monsters DESERVE to die.

Why dont they kill themselves as they arent inocent either ?

One, they DO. Then again, they did expect to survive and be with Asriel forever, so I suppose that's irrelevant.

Second, perhaps they think themselves to be an exception. There exist people who hate their own group, yet don't hate themselves. Chara could be one of those, but about humanity itself. (Yes, that could make Chara a hypocrite. Hypocrites exist.)

Do they believe that they are a saint ??

Perhaps they think something along the lines of: "Oh, I’M a human too, but I’M the only one taking out all these bad guys"

And in this case,why dont they kill frisk's friends in souless neutral endings but ONLY in the happy ending ?

Because they want to kill EVERYONE, not just Frisk's friends. And they can't do that when they're locked by the Barrier.

Once again, as I said, there are PLENTY of other ways to ruin Frisk's ending. I'm convinced that, at least in Soulless Pacifist, Chara actually thinks the monsters DESERVE to die.