Talk:Chara/@comment-37748092-20200123210923/@comment-33170295-20200211014202

@TheHumanAmbassador

"But assuming that means they gave us the idea, rather than just stating the already obvious fact, is not justified."

So you're saying that even though Frisk is synonymous with the player, they supposedly have knowledge about this battle that the player wouldn't unless they had already played the game (which isn't canon because of the True Reset). And apparently Chara was "stating the already obvious" even though the only thing that even hinted at the ability to save something else was Chara's narration.

"I see you count Asriel as a boss?"

Why shouldn't I? Not only is he literally a "boss monster," but Toby Fox himself describes him as a boss. "I wanted him to take up the whole screen because that's what final 'bosses 'are supposed to do, right?"''

"And they also said nothing on the Genocide route (or even the Pacifist Route!) indicating that they wanted to spare anyone."

Okay, I'm gonna try to explain better what I meant by "This point only works if Chara themselves attempted to fight a monster but didn't kill it."

You say that "if someone drives recklessly, we still say that's wrong," but here's the thing. Chara only "drives recklessly" in the Genocide route. In True Pacifist, they stop at the red light, meaning you can't judge them for what happened in the Genocide route if that timeline doesn't exist in the True Pacifist route, which is the timeline in question.

"Okay, what if someone flat-out TOLD you to drive recklessly, and you did because they told you to? Are they completely blameless?"

Frisk was already ON the Genocide route when Chara told them to fight. They didn't fight because Chara told them to, they fought completely of their own accord. I agree that encouraging the Genocide route doesn't help Chara's case, but the fact that the Genocide route began without any input from Chara invalidates that argument quite a bit.

And Chara never tells you to kill on the Neutral/Pacifist routes (not counting aborted Genocide), so the argument was invalid to begin with.

"Or what if there was, say, a fire, and you, as a firefighter, are expected to put it out... But nobody told you how to use the tools to do it, and because of that, the building burned down?"

That Froggit NPC you meet already tells you how to spare monsters. "...ACT a certain way or FIGHT until you almost defeat them... ...use some MERCY, human."

Don't forget this is the very first NPC aside from Flowey and Toriel. The only encounter you could possibly get before seeing this guy is the scripted first encounter, which Toriel also explains.

And even the Toriel encounter is explained when another NPC tells you that you need to use mercy before a monster's name turns yellow. You have all the knowledge you need before you ever get into an encounter. There's no situation where you can use the "I never learned how" excuse.