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2)If Asriel changed his mind so quickly from "let's play forever" to "just leave me here, let's not play at all", what's to say he didn't go back to the Surface for one last minigame?

It's about Toby's avatar, Annoying Dog. There are differences between the two, as Toby does not make most of the bad posts on the internet. So maybe Annoying Dog didn't make Undertale. Besides, that mushroom underneath the "Undertale logo" is evidence that game is NOT Undertale! One could say that perhaps the game "Undertale" exists WITHIN the world of Undertale, as a game, but.. It was made in 2015, not whenever Frisk fell.

We can't just say something's implied and leave it at that. We need to look at the actual evidence. Toby is one who likes to play around with us at times, we can't just go meta and just ASSUME that everything is how it first appears. If we did that, we'd still think the earth is flat, as that's what it's implied to be when you look outside. We need to question our assumptions of the world. Besides, at the start if the game, Flowey's implied to be a friendly little flower who just wants to be your BEST friend! It even says so in the song name! So by this logic, maybe you should get those friendliness pellets after all! *wink* Also, determination is te common motif behind our victories. Therefore, our red SOUL color being determination would also be implied by this logic. :3

3.3)Omega Flowey proves it's an actual "SAVE" when he erases it. And you do believe that all humans can have LV? Alright then, we can move on from that.

3.5)I agree that humans wouldn't give that ability back, and it is indeed quite unlikely that humans could SAVE and LOAD on the Surface.. Even if they could, that would only be ONE human. And I don't think ONE human would be able to change things enough to make it so that NOBODY dies. (Besides, if a monster absorbed a determination human SOUL, they'd steal the ability. So yeah) But, we can't just assume that humans did not have HUD. What's so special about Frisk? Why CAN'T they have a HUD? And it's not pointless trying to come up with an answer- I already HAVE an answer-Humans had the HUD! In every battle except for Sans', we had the initiative of battle. Therefore, in the war, the humans would also have initiative. Now, humans would be using actual, real weapons, like the Real Knife, with an ATK of 99, and the humans fighting weren't 9-year olds. So, they could easily one-shot the monsters, before the monster even has a chance to do anything, because humans have the initiative.

Frisk has never been in a FIGHT before. Of course they wouldn't know what a SOUL is. SOULs only become visible in a Human vs Monster fight. After all, we don't see Chara's SOUL when they attack the world. And the war started because of the ability to ABSORB a human SOUL. With enough SOULs, they could easily destroy all of mankind.

No, Chara is NOT affected by our LV. I still go by the first 8 sections of this theory:http://nochocolate.tumblr.com/post/144667969564/cooperation-not-corruption-the-effects-of-kill

It is our determination and cooperation with Chara's plan that fuels them. We'll be together forever, won't we? *9999999999999999999* ...Speaking of which, in some views, a demon is simply a fallen angel, one who has aligned with the forces of evil. Therefore, could Chara actually be the Angel of Death..? They're a demon because they are the angel of prophecy, but also evil. Chara's name is on there because we share the SAVE. It is still our stats on there. Remember, Chara's a mere phantom at this point. They have no "stats" yet. They have nothing.

3.6)Undertale IS an expandable universe, otherwise, there would be nothing to theorize about. And we can't disregard stuff on the grounds that it is "weird". Quantum physics is far weirder than a HUD.

So.. Why don't we just regain the option to fight? We do we have to literally move the box? What does that represent? And why does Sans call it doing nothing, to prevent it from ever being your turn?

No, the characters are aware of Frisk's special abilities as a "player" (I don't know what to call the one person who can SAVE and LOAD). Frisk takes the role of "The Player", and at one point, Flowey did.

We're naming Chara Frisk. Chara's name.. Is Frisk. Chara.. is Frisk. And that one fact is enough to change the timeline to what we see now, as my explanation of Hard Mode shows. Though, we probably could say it's non-canon to the story we're looking at, since it's an alternate timeline. So it's "canon", yes, but it's about as canon as the Genocide Run is canon to the Pacifist Run.

3.7)Exactly. Chara got the stats. So it was CHARA who figured it out. But where did they get the stats from? Well, Glyde gives us a hint, as it refuses to give such information about its statistics. And we're asking Chara to do it simply by selecting "Check". We want to check the monsters' stats using Chara.

4.1)Sans isn't too lazy to teleport himself thousands of times as you walk by in the room next to the Mysterious Room (with the door and Glyde). He can even take us with him. So he can take a non-living station with him. As for glitched duplication.. Well, as I said earlier, if he could do that with something as massive as a station, it should be easy to duplicate his ketchup. The Laws have to be self-consistent.

4.2)We don't have to kill everyone to reset, so neither would Asriel.

4.10)That's when the Julian calendar was invented. I'm saying monsters were sealed underground before the Julian calendar was around. And monsters had to make their own calendsr, but since they had no sun, moon, or stars, they couldn't figure out how long a day was, the number of days in a year, ect.. So they made up a bunch of numbers that are vastly different than our calendars.

4.13)Then why doesn't Alphys just call determination "SOUL POWER"?

According to Toriel, Asgore does not even want to free the monsters, and is miserable. Look at the actual dialouge. Never once did she say that Asgore shouldn't have killed any humans or declare war. So we should go with what she said. She was once in support of the war, as she thought Asgore would actually be smart and cross the barrier with one SOUL.

5)If we want to say Frisk denied the statements as whole, perhaps they meant "That's not what I said", as in, "I didn't say both of them", instead of "I said NONE of them." They would be saying that they didn't say EVERYTHING that Chara was saying.

No, Frisk said they didn't cry. Crying's the second statment, lexically closer. :3 And "But it's not funny" could be Chara narrating that it's NOT funny.. And Frisk is laughing anyway. They're not scolding Frisk because maybe it's an anxious laugh. Or maybe Frisk FAILED to laugh because it's hard to laugh at the same thing twice in a row.

Flowey was speaking to Chara in his final speech. Chara's inside of Frisk, and thus Flowey is looking at both us and Chara.. He's speaking to Chara though.

6)They also couldn't refuse during Omega Flowey. They were probably much more determined during the Asriel fight.