Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31981697-20170722123329/@comment-32182236-20171020213442

Technically, it's not canon-All we have is vague similarities, and a trailer that I already debunked the canonicity of. Besides, 211X Toby is still Toby-I never actually denied that there's a connection to Toby here, just that it's specifically 2015 Toby-Evidence points towards 211X Toby, because that's literally the year the entire game happens in. And the fact that it's not IRL Toby leads into my point here-All we have are vague similarities again, with clear exceptions-Why can't this just be another example of said exception, such as being a dog and stealing bones? This is why just saying Toby Fox did something isn't proof that the dog is the same, or that since Toby didn't make a full game other than Undertale, that neither did the dog. Because Toby's no dog, and almost certainly doesn't go around stealing bones. (Pretty sure there'd be witnesses.) Since we already established the connection isn't absolute/perfect, we can say this is another case of difference between the 211X Annoying Dog and the 2015 Toby.

The mushroom doesn't really give us a clue on what kind of game it IS, but we do know it's not a part of the Undertale logo-If the game was Undertale, wouldn't it be easier to just.. NOT put that mushroom there? Just leave it at the part above, which actually IS similar to Undertale!

It does in the real world, so it does here. Besides, my greater arguments are the year 211X and Toby vs Annoying Dog-This is just the final "nail in the coffin".

The mushroom still has to fit in there somewhere! Why is it there? It's not on the actual Undertale box!

Now, here's a possibly that I am willing to believe in-The game could be an AU version of Undertale. Think about it-If the Surface is meant to be the human world, and Undertale's a game for the humans, what's to say there wouldn't be another version of the game of Undertale within Undertale's universe? But, it is not specifically the Undertale world that we are theorizing right now, but rather, a sort of recursive canon-Said mushroom being one of the differences between the AU Undertale and the real Undertale. However, we cannot use that as evidence that the real Undertale is canonically a game of code-The paradox you bring up still resolves itself.