Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-39385741-20200106144455/@comment-27136653-20200106185111

Jacky720 is forgetting that everything we do around here are just thoughts and opinions, not actual theories.

Anyways, lemme try probing this.

You have dismissed the DT equality argument by arguing with DT proportions. You have dismissed the Chara suicide argument by the lack of will to live (although that makes no sense, Chara was very determined - if anything, they were determined to die without coming back, but that's not my point), and you have dismissed the Toriel argument by saying that she was just getting Chara flashbacks, despite this being similar to the deja vu moments that all the other main characters got regarding Frisk.

But why?

Your theory is missing a point. You are aiming to present a logical explanation for the theory that red is determination (even though many people got the same idea and used the exact same arguments as you many times before, but whatevs, you didn't know that), but you didn't explain why!

Usually, theories are created because someone notices an inconsistency in the lore with regards to the presented theories and tries creating a better, more compatible one. But in this case, both theories align with the canon. So why did you make it? It is also true that many times, people have fantasies. They imagine certain tropes that fill them with emotion, or that simply make sense to them, and they decide that those are canon too, and then create their theories around that.

My guess would be that you wanted to make Frisk a special snowflake. A perfect person or even a hero, who faced all kinds of odds and emerged victorious, and that it was all thanks to their little red superpower.

That's the usual take that people have when they present this red = DT theory. So, is it true? Is this the reason why you prefer your own theory over the other one? I do admit, the other one, that Frisk is not special in any way at all, is rather boring, and it kinda takes away the spice from the overall game, but then again, the opposite, your argument, it actually also takes the spice away, but in a slightly different way.

Assume that Frisk is the perfect hero, who can defeat any adversary through the power of their heightened DT.

Okay, so... was the final battle against Asriel pointless? Maybe the battle against photoshop Flowey was, but this one... Toby obviously painted it so epic, with the music, and the colors, and the edgy flavor text and quotes...

Was that really a guise? Did we misinterpret his intent? Did he actually want to paint the battle as a wimpy attempt by Asriel to overpower a literal DT-God?

I don't think so.

Determination cannot be that powerful. Otherwise the battle loses all tension.

Okay, so maybe, the DT was higher, but not higher than 7 souls? Well... you tell that to the people who believe that Frisk's soul > any other 7 souls.

But even if it's true, even if Frisk's soul is stronger than other human souls and weaker than 7 human souls overall, then... what's the point, honestly?

What's the point of making their soul SLIGHTLY stronger than a regular soul, plot-wise?

Are you just trying to make Frisk a special snowflake, but this time for no reason at all? At least the people who believe that their soul was stronger than Asriel's 7 souls did so because they saw that Frisk's DT overpowered Asriel's (as Asriel couldn't reset without first killing Frisk), so they thought that Frisk's soul is indeed that strong. At least their shitty take is based in something tangible, something that could be considered canon.

But what do YOU have? For what reason do you insist that Frisk's soul is more powerful than other kinds of souls? If it really is that Frisk is a special snowflake to you, WITHOUT circularly arguing that it's because (the above evidence of how the other kids actually couldn't reset), then let me just say this. Ehm:

I diagnose you with Frisk-crush syndrome. You are wracked with a perverted sentimentality about a fictional character and you can't help to stop daydreaming about them being a hero of your fantasies. G'night sir, have a wonderful 2020.

Or if that's not it, then... please. I'm all ears.