Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-27136653-20180228205701/@comment-32182236-20180311191408

Have you ever been to China? Actually, you don't have to be there, just google "the steepest staircase" or something like that and I'm sure something interesting will pop up. Like this for example: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/10/02/11/2CF983BA00000578-3257293-Not_for_the_feint_hearted_The_hilly_steps_have_been_carved_into_-a-39_1443780232331.jpg"

..Wrong angle. The cliff is vertical, not diagonal. That's why the elevator to NEW HOME even works in the first place.

"That doesn't mean that every bad name that exists in the underground was his work. But if the entire area is called Snowdin, and the town simply bears the same name as that area, then I'm willing to believe that. As I said, Asgore being the one to name the areas is very probable, and the Snowdin forest is indeed "snowed in". And I guess the inhabitants liked it or something, so they never bothered to come up with an extra name for their little town and just called it Snowdin too. You get my logic now? Asgore had no part in the town's foundation, so it's improbable he named it. But it's very probable that he named the entire biome that the Snowdin town is located in, so I'm willing to believe that."

Well, that still means Asgore was there, leading the expedition.. And that's mainly what I was trying to prove. That Asgore lead the expedition outwards, while Toriel and Asriel stayed behind in the Ruins. ...We probably went off-topic. A lot. But, the main point of this particular segment of the theory, is that Asgore lead an expedition outwards, while Toriel and Asriel stayed in the Ruins. Sometime afterwards, Chara fell, and was found by Asriel.

"It's literally written in a first person narrative. It almost resembles a diary or something."

"We" refers to the monster race as a whole, not just the author. Kind of like how some refer to the United States' actions as "us". If it was like a diary, it would be talking about one monster in particular-the author. "I ran with the others, fearful of human attacks" is something I'd consider as evidence that it's like a diary. Until then, I'm calling it the monster counterpart to American history.

"I thought about that too. You know, someone had to compile all of these, and eventually labeled them as such. As I said, no one would wait a thousand years to write it all down."

That's not how compilation works. They're referred to by their original name, all in one big book. Take for example, the Bible and Quran. We don't call Exodus "Torah, Volume 2" now, do we? (Those books are the closest thing I could find to this situation-Compilations of books made by many authors. If you have a better counterpart, then you can present it.)

"It's still called by that name though. Or am I missing the point here?"

Yeah, you're missing the point. You said the book was written as if the events are recent. I'm pointing out how we still call America "The New World", despite the fact that it's not new at all anymore. By your logic, the fact that we call it "The New World" means it must have been discovered recently. Now do you get it? It's written that way for the same reason why we call America "The New World"-For historical accuracy.

"Rapid Alzheimer's, you say? Can't we just agree on the fact that living through a majority of the history will certainly make you forget some details?"

A few decades is not rapid. That's a human generation. Also, relooking at my timeline, it's actually closer to a century. Probably a little over a century. One again though, that's speculation. For all we know they could have been written by Gerson directly after the declaration of war, with Gerson explaining how they reached this position. But.. That's unlikely. Especially since the books aren't ancient like the glyphs, and Gerson wouldn't be old at the time. A more plausible time period is around the death of the sixth/seventh human. (Still don't know whether to count Chara as human 1 or human 0.)

"Haha, yes, very funny. My point was, that someone continued writing the same story, telling the events, explaining various things, and eventually, it lost the "history" part of it. Or maybe we've simply opened the book on a page that discusses things that have nothing to do with history by pure chance (although yes, there's only one page per each book in the game, but the books are rather thick too, aren't they?)."

If it lost the history part of it, then why are the books still labeled that way? Why did the "complier", as you suggest, still call them "monster history"?

Also, Parts 6/7/8 connect together on the nature of monster SOULs. The connection, therefore, means one of two things.

1-The rest of the books also speak of similar things, allowing the connection to work. This, however, means the books, on their own, are irrelevant to history, and therefore, can only be labeled as volumes in the series if they serve to explain a later volume.

2-An event that fits each individual one of these infos occur around the same time. i.e-Chara's death happened during the events of Part 6.. And Part 7 at the same time? (?!?!)

...Yeah, you can see why I discarded #2. But, now I'm reconsidering it, because they each seem to explain different PARTS of Chara's story. Chara's story IS Volumes 6-8.

"Well, either what you said, or what I said. Either it went encyclopedically and explained everything from the very basics, which is why I wonder why did the first volume then start with what happened right after the war, instead of for example explaining what monsters actually are to begin with, or, it went as various people were adding more info to it, and when something needed an explanation, they added a footnote. Which is what I currently believe in."

It didn't. Remember how you said we opened up a random page? Yeah... The book starts with the war itself, not what happened afterwards. "Fearful of further human attacks" is no way to start a series, as you've already failed. Further human attacks? So they attacked before? Why? What's going on here?!? The Waterfall plaques explain why, and they even fit the style of the history books..

Also, it's not an encyclopedia. It only gives details you would need to know to understand what happens. For example, for the war, all we need to know is, the humans feared the monsters' power, and declared war. Okay, us humans might need to know more, but the book was written for monsters! By monsters, for monsters, to monsters.. So of course, they wouldn't go into detail what they've defined as their enemy. They don't want to "understand" humans, they want to destroy them like Asgore said. (Okay, not anymore, but during the events of the game, that was their goal.)

"Part 1 and 4 of monster history are the only ones accessible in the game. Since no one just "spontaneously" stops being afraid, there must have been a concrete reason as for why the monsters have decided to move out. My hypothesis is, that this reason was Chara. And that this is what the volumes 2 and 3 described. Or maybe just volume 3, and volume 2 described something else, for example the puzzles."

Maybe there's a comment somewhere about how they continued their search, and found no humans ever fell down. And eventually, they figured the reason why humans never fell is because they can't. But oh, how WRONG they were.

"What was written in that blog post does make sense. What you are suggesting however is that by only knowing the babble about boss monster souls can we actually understand what happened to Asriel and Chara, ergo, their story is written in a hypothetical part 9. Why would you need to know about boss monster souls? It wasn't Asriel's soul that was abosrbed. The 8th volume wouldn't explain anything, it would just pointlessly talk about something unrelated. Part 7 does work, but it also works with my take on the matter. And part 6 could be a reaction to Asgore's illness, which did happen before Chara fell ill, so it would also fit your theory. Though, it contains some omnious stuff, such as "unfortunately, monsters are not experienced with illness," or "in a way, this confusing situation was all too familiar."

My argument is that we'd need the babble, not that just the babble we see in the files is enough. Yes, we probably need more information than that. Luckily, we have 3 entire volumes of books that explain these things in very great detail. Likely filled with even more info on the matter.

For Parts 6 and 7, your description of my theory is somewhat correct. SOMEHWAT. And yes, it is more than likely due to Asgore being ill, as it mentions MONSTER illness, rather than human illness. Then there's Part 7, which, yes, is indeed info to help describe what happened with Asriel absorbing Chara's SOUL. Part 8, however, would likely be extending off of Part 7. "There is one exception to the aforementioned rules"-Reading further into context reveals this is reffering to the rules discussed in Part 7. This means this is likely near the start of Part 8, after it recaps the rules in Part 7. So, how is Part 8 useful? Well, at first glance, it seems it wasn't. However, consider this-Asriel Dreemurr ended up dying in the end. So, we should expect their SOUL to linger for a few seconds, right? Perhaps it then goes into detail, explaining how the dust spread across the garden.. Wait, that wouldn't be important until Flowey showed up.. So that would be far too soon. (plus nobody actually knows this has to do with Flowey, so this is impossible.) But still. Asriel Dreemurr died. Perhaps it was going to offer an alternative explanation for why the humans attacked Asriel? Maybe it was going to say "Hey, what if the humans wanted to attack Asriel to absorb his boss SOUL?" Or, it could have been a prelude to Asgore declaring war again, paralleling the actions of the humans. "We know humans can fall, and we must take their SOULs, before they take ours!" A human with a boss monster SOUL would probably be just as powerful as a monster with a human SOUL, though it wouldn't be able to gain much more power, due to being unable to absorb more human SOULs.

Also, the unfortunately part is because, well.. Asgore grew ill. Probably almost died. It hints nothing about it being familiar.

"It all depends on the 'no entrances and exits' part. Is it referring to the fact that there are no natural entrances, even if they're blocked by the barrier, or is it simply referring to the fact that all natural entrances are sealed off?"

We really don't know. However, the conclusion is the same:Another human will never fall. Which means the humans will never attack, and we have no reason to fear them. We don't even need to make a leap in logic to say that, the plaques themselves say no human will ever fall. This dates it to before Chara falling.

"So you do agree with me then. This part disproves that Chara fell down shortly after the barrier was erected, as you were saying. I'm believing Undyne's word here. She may think that humans are living an anime life, but that doesn't mean they don't have trash."

Actually, my point is Undyne has a very skewed point of view on what constitutes as "modern technology." I mean, let's just imagine some hypothetical world where anime, for some reason, is actually real. And is broadcast. Basically, Undyne's point of view. Well, in order for that to be possible and practical, there'd have to either be lots of cameras going on, or one, moving, teleporting one. And in the former case, they'd have to be invisible-Otherwise, they'd show up on the screen. That's already complex, requiring some kind of futuristic technology. (Yes, I know anime's not real. But, Undyne thinks it is, so when analyzing what she means, we must use HER point of view.) Basically, anime IS her "modern technology". Because to her, that's so much cooler than all those lasers in the CORE, or the CORE itself, and even cooler than the creation of an articifial robot with an artificial SOUL (yes, Mettaton's SOUL isn't artificial.. But nobody other than Alphys and Mettaton know that.)

Now do you get my point? It's not that the trash doesn't exist, it's that it's considered modern technology when it's actually quite far from "modern".