Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20181123023529/@comment-32182236-20181224173922

@Person:Nice catch. And also nice mine! Great for all of us!

@Ferret:Now.. You presented a story.. So, I shall as well.

Let us go back to the VERY beginning of this alternate universe, and see the inherent holes that need to be taken into consideration.

Given that you've placed Gaster's initial fall after Frisk's initial fall, it's not a trivial "Frisk should be in a desolate wasteland". So instead, we should analyze how a pre-fall, sans-sans timeline would work.

We'll skip the war:That remains the same. Chara falls as usual, and Gaster is alive at this point. He's also already the Royal Scientist at this point, getting the job by (redacted). So, where does Gaster begin his DT experiments? It can't be Chara, because that'd give him seven before Frisk fell. Chasriel was more than likely, therefore, what inspired him to research DT and its effects. Perhaps he found Chara as an anomaly while analyzing timelines or something. Either way, human 2(1) would be the first SOUL harvested. Toriel leaves Asgore, but she doesn't meet another pun-lover like Sans, as he doesn't exist. This doesn't mean she's not punny though-She made puns with Asgore before Sans ever met her (he doesn't know what Toriel looks like, so he couldn't have been alive before she left).

What's happening with is a big question mark. Papyrus is probably still a puzzle-loving fanatic, who wants to be in the Royal Guard because of Undyne, but without his lazy "brother", we don't know who becomes stationed next to him for him to work with, or if he even has a working partner. Whether a different candidate replaces Sans or not splits the timeline into two (you decide which one, it's your theory I'm deconstructing, after all. But first, I'll preview each of them. I suppose it could be up to 16 (2^14) if you consider each individual station, saying only SOME of those got replacements, but I'll only preview the main two, because all of the others are simply a mixture of events from each.

So, let's say all of them got suitable replacements. If that happened, Frisk'd be spotted right away in Snowdin. They'd either be able to mercy them, run away (sub-universe 1A).. Or they'd have to kill them, meaning pacifism really IS impossible. (sub-universe 1B)

...Hm, maybe that would explain Sans' choice later on?

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If there WERE no suitable replacements (sub-universe 2A), or the replacements turned out to be just as lazy as Sans, (sub-universe 2B), or were just as bad as the dogs (actually identical to sub-universe 1A), Frisk would make it through with no real trouble.

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Papyrus might have more puzzles, they might be worse because Sans didn't help, or maybe better if Papyrus had a replacement that did better than Sans (universe group 1). Either way though, Frisk would make it past Snowdin no problem.

So, next comes Undyne. There's really nothing important to note here until Undyne's final encounter, but there is something small:We never get the hint about a talking flower. ..This doesn't change that much as far as I know, though. Once again, the timeline diverges.

Does Sans have a non-lazy replacement? If he does, Frisk's job against Undyne is a lot harder, since he'll join in the fight as well. But, it's still theoretically possible to win this fight. (Once again, we have to ask:Could Frisk have spared this person, or did they need to die?) Otherwise, Undyne just doesn't stop at the non-station.

Hotland would be VASTLY different. But, one question I have to ask. Did Alphys work with Gaster as a co-scientist, or did she not? For now, this analysis is to be continued.