Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31619784-20170328162322/@comment-28974149-20180910161932

Anonymous User 03 wrote: I think Chara makes no sense, in terms of their role in the story. At the end of the genocide route, they go on a monologue about how you guided them and taught them "the purpose of [their] reincarnation." However one line in particular sticks out to me. If you choose "DO NOT [ERASE]", Chara goes on to ask "SINCE WHEN WERE YOU IN CONTROL?"

Except, we were in control from the very beginning of the run. A major theme of the genocide route is that you CHOSE to kill all those monsters. Nothing is forcing you to do it, and you could've quit and reset at any time. So why does Chara imply that we aren't in control when everything else tells us that we are? Heck, they even contradict themself if you wait for 10 minutes, insisting that "it was you" who destroyed the world. Are we at fault, or is Chara in control?! Make up your mind!

Another thing that makes no sense, how exactly do they destroy the world? In a regular playthrough, Sans explains that LV isn't actually us getting stronger; we are just becoming less emotionally attached to the monsters, so killing them is easier (I suppose this has to do with the entire "monsters' souls are attuned to their emotional state" thing, but that's besides the point) If so, then Chara can't have destroyed the world with LV, or else they'd literally be destroying the universe with emotional distance.

It's possible they destroyed it through determination. I mean determination is already ridiculously overpowered in Undertale. But the universe can be destroyed by a tiny murderous kid simply because they were "determined"? Really? Because I find that very hard to believe. Photoshop Flowey didn't destroy the universe, and Flowey has determination AND six souls at that point. So what gives?

Frisk defeating Asriel (the absolute GOD of hyper-death)  made some sense, since he was reluctant to kill them due to his feelings towards Chara. Frisk defeating Photoshop Flowey makes sense since the six souls were helping them throughout the fight. But Chara destroying the universe does not make sense; I mean, what, was the universe having an existential crisis that day? Sure a person without determination would probably not make it that far, but determination isn't a knife that you can use to go "STABBY STABBY GOODBYE WORLD!"

Also, how exactly does one go from "committing genocide on a race (species?)" to "destroying the ENTIRE WORLD"? I mean, it wasn't like the world was gradually getting destroyed as the Chara killed the monsters; it was still intact. Devoid of any sapient life, sure, but not DESTROYED.



<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;border-width:1pt;border-style:none;border-color:windowtext;padding:0cm;"> I feel like this entire plot point came out of left field. Something to make for a shocking ending, but not necessarily one that makes a lot of sense.

<p class="MsoNormal" dir="RTL">

No no, it makes sense. Let me explain.

Their role in the story is the player character, the narrator and the final judge. Read this: https://determinators.tumblr.com/post/159674581147/greetings-uh-so-ive-been-working-on-this

Chara tells you that you are not the one in control because this isn't YOUR save file you're playing with.

"CHARA"

Chara destroyed the world this way, by erasing their own save file.

Chara destroyed the world because there was NOTHING left we cannot escape the underground without a monster soul and (ultimately, this kind of genocide doesn't work against Humans. Remember Monsters are weak to people with high LV who don't care and you become unstoppable down here, but once you're in the human world you're a just a kid again.). Thus they felt we had to move on to the next. (Aka another game).