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Cookie-Owl wrote: SUoveranalyzer wrote: Cookie-Owl wrote: Maybe some things are just meant to be left hanging.

Examples: Asriel being left in the underground alone and never seen again. Chara and Frisk's life above the surface. Chara's reason for climbing Mt. Ebott (we know it was probably suicide, but why?). The other fallen humans' stories. Gaster's followers. What Gaster looks like.

There are a bunch of other mysteries, but I think you get the point. I think Toby wanted us to interpret it, and people did. I don't think we will ever know Gaster's story, and I don't think we need to.

​​​​ In the end, we don't know what happens to Flowey(Asriel) or Chara all we know is they meet again in Darkness and Flowey begs them not to worry about Frisk or anyone, to not reset... but he doubts this is his first time asking this. Poor Chara, always mistaken for the actions of the PLAYER the one truly in control of what happens in this world...

Maybe we'll know when Toby reveals that stuff about Suzy , who in life's grand scheme is probably the reason we came here in the first place... according to Clamgirl. Or maybe the suicide thing is all we're supposed to get out of it. Maybe Chara just lost faith in humanity, as many might when they look in the news.

We know the stories of the other Fallen Humans, they fell, they reset multiple times, they eventually QUIT, they had their own personalities and own strategies as revealed by the BALL game but we know where their final resting place is in the end.

We will, Toby promised, and we must, for it's not just his story, it's Sans' Papyrus's Suzy's there are too many characters at stake here. And he wouldn't tease it if it wasn't happening. When Flowey says "See you later, (name)." I always felt like that means he is talking to the player and assuming you named the fallen human (Chara) your own name. This doesn't work when you name the child Chara, but how is Flowey supposed to know your real name? Also I don't believe Chara is evil either but this discussion is about a new game not that.

I don't really know anything about Suzy. How is it possible she would be your reason to fall? It just seems to weird and I don't really get it. But maybe, that's the point? It is meant for us not to get right away  just by the dialogue?

I've seen some theories with whether the other fallen children could SAVE and RESET. Here's the thing, however: Flowey was the one able to do those things. The other fallen kids did not have a determination soul, so how would they be able to save and reset? They may have had determination, but Flowey most likely had more. So the fallen humans were most likely sent to Asgore, lost the battle, and Flowey saved over their death.

It would be nice to clear up some mysteries. This new game, however, may have more mysteries in it. Then will Toby have to make a third game to clear up those? There are some things that are left without a happy ending. Asriel, the characters that fell in the CORE, the fallen humans. They never really got their happy endings. What would the new game be, then? A way to save them, a prequel, or Gaster's backstory? ​​​​​​ I don't think any Character can know of PLAYER's existance, they can only see the actions of our puppets. Frisk(mainly) and Chara(by our choices.).

Suzy is only mentioned once (in yellow, the color of important plot text), in the specific Clamgirl dialogue, other than that she does not exist..in *this* game that is. Upon failing to meet Suzy in the pacifist epilogue Clamgirl says: "So you never met my neighbor's daughter...Don't dispair. This world has infinite opportunities. But there's a limit to the things you can do today. Accepting this is healthy." This implies two things. One, Toby will patch the game in the future to make it possible ot meet Suzy. (However his tweet seems to say this will not happen.)  Or two, Suzy is in another game and "this world" refers to the UNDERTALE™ genre and not this specific game. It's also interesting how Suzy is connected to Sans, Suzy's encounter leads to the revelation of the badly drawn picture with three smiling people, written on it "don't forget." and Toby (As Sans) clarifies that "suzy is not the yellow kid.". Suzy Q is a font.. a skele-relative? But that's speculation.

All Humans have Determination, it is what makes their souls so much more powerful than Monster's true lab dialogue confirms that we were not the only one and the fact that Alphys has Determination samples means they must have been extracted by souls that were not Frisk's since there is no event in the game involving being DT extracted and I doubt Asgore and Toriel would ever let anyone experiment on their Child, Chara. Dialogue from Toriel and Asgore also shows they know humans can SAVE/LOAD from their experiences with all of them. Toriel: http://78.media.tumblr.com/1d1299b036ddb6d0bd592ebe3cb7cda0/tumblr_inline_obnrkpp0mz1tnlh39_500.png  Asgore: https://78.media.tumblr.com/d1333ca20d842083c257ff127c3300f2/tumblr_inline_p3osczMBh11tnlh39_540.png

We don't know when Alphys' experiments occured in the timeline, but I assume it's recent, all we know is the first flower of Asgore's garden was experimented on and then replanted after the experiment was found to be a failure, it was then that Asriel woke up. If I were to guess however I'd say Flowey is more likely to have come before Frisk and after all the humans. According to Asriel he "Played" with everyone in every way possible and got bored until we arrived, explicitely saying so. It doesn't seem he encountered the others (Sorry, Undertale Yellow.)

Maybe? Maybe not. Mysteries are meant to be solved Gaster cannot be solved in it's current state. He's a( I already said prequel and so did the link, did you read it?)  hook, not a mystery. A mystery that cannot be solved is a dirty lie and pointless bait. I doubt Toby did that.

There is no way to save Asriel, Chara, there is no evidence Gaster and the followers fell in the core, all we know is Gaster "fell into his own creation" which in my opinion is the machine in Sans' lab and this erased him and changed the timeline to one where he no longer exists or never existed. My guess is that the Gaster followers and Goner kid are Gaster-timeline version of their counterparts in Undertale that have been placed in the same limbo as Gaster due to what happened to their timeline. The "somewhere else" where it is raining, where Sans wants to return, where his room is like another world, where the man that must be bewared came from. The fallen humans were killed, I'm afraid there is no happy ending for them. c'est la vie mon ami.