Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20190617222636/@comment-32182236-20190703190837

They called it a memorial fountain because that's its purpose. The next time someone fell... They'd be the statue.

At one point, I actually theorized that the statue was of Kanashi... But since the Waterfall Glyphs clearly gloss over the actual monster attack, it seems as though the monsters don't really want to mention Kanashi, so it wouldn't make sense for Kanashi to be the one honored here.

Ferret, you're getting two different times mixed up. You're equating the year Frisk fell with the year Chara fell. The monsters in New Home make it very clear that when Frisk fell.. Chara's fall happened "A long time ago".

When CHARA fell, it was 201X by the monster calednar. When FRISK fell, the monsters have found modern technology, and we see the Surface in a modern-day environment. There was a lot of time brtween these two events, and I'd argue it was centuries-That Chara fell in what we humans would call the 17th century-Just few centuries after the war. (It very well could have been even earlier than that.)

As I said, when Asriel was attacked, he took blow after blow, not shot after shot. He was attacked by blunt weapons-Not guns. He was in a village, not a town or a city. Evidence seems to suggest that these weren't the modern times.

Gaster had already done all kinds of revolutions-Making the CORE... Yet monsters were restricted to cell phones from around the 1980's era for us. What, was Gaster SLOWER than the humans in making technology-So slow that humans are thirty years ahead of him? Not a very smart scientist.

But doing that in the 17th century? That's more like Gaster.

When I was saying this as a possibility, I was saying that perhaps the end of 201X WAS Spring-As in, the calendar was different than ours, and the year ends in spring, not winter. Hence why the experiment I offered was even relevant in the first place.

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You have to remember that the monsters at first had no way of knowing how the Barrier works. At first, they might not have known that humans wouldn't be able to leave. Even the glyphs do not say that you need a monster+human soul to leave, merely a powerful one. We only learn that we need a human+monster SOUL from Alphys.

The monsters easily could have learned from Chara, and their failed attempt at leaving the Barrier, that it would more than that. And Asriel and Chara may have figured that a human+monster would be enough, because of the massive power that such a fusion would be-They have the example of Kanashi to go by.

The glyphs do say that you need seven human SOULs to break it, but that makes perfect sense, and is easy to figure out-It took seven humans to make the barrier, so it would only make sense that only a force as powerful as what made it could break it.

So perhaps that is why they fled. They thought the humans COULD just go underground, attack the monsters, and leave. Or they could have thought the attackers would just claim the Underground as land of their own, and intended to stay there-The war happened in the Middle Ages at the latest, considering what we see in the intro (A blog called "Undertale Science" has a whole analysis on it)

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You clearly don't get the timeline I gave you. I'm saying Gaster could have studied Determination after Chara fell, but before Chara died. I'm talking the very end of 201X. He very well could have died on December 31. Yes, that wouldn't give him very much time at all... Which is why he never got to build the machine.

The Gaster Followers don't make sense because they've been turned into ghostly figures, deapite not being the one who fell. Goner Kid speaks of a world where everything is the same... Except you don't exist.

They make sense in my hypothesis, that Gaster was literally retconned from Undertale's timeline, and the only evidence of his existence is his creations. Alphys assumes that she knows how the CORE works, and attempts to explain how the CORE converts geothermal emergy into magical electricity.. But then she stops-As if she realized that she doesn't know. Like she thinks she should know, but somehow doesn't.

What if in the post-retcon, Alphys supposedly made the CORE... And that's how Alphys remembers it, which is why she thinks she should know this... But she doesn't, because she didn't really build it? And the Gaster Followers (alongside Sans) are the only ones who remember Gaster? And since the Followers took part in Gaster's Experiments, they were erased alongside Gaster? Only being able to communicate to us by sending us to their timeline? A rift where our phones can't communiate to our friends in?

Sans wasn't erased... Because he's not native to Undertale, but Deltarune. He's a Darkner, which is why he can bleed.

Here's the timeline I have, so far.

Kanashi absorbs a human SOUL, demonstrating the dangerous abilities of monsters. Humans banish them underground. The monsters fear further attacks, so they hide and make HOME. Asriel was born... And soon, they move to New Home, hearing the humans no longer. In the last month of 201X, Chara falls, and Gaster takes notice. He uses this opportunity to research Determination, and makes blueprints to an extraction machine. Sometime in 202X, he actually builds his Extraction Machine. He, Undertale Sans, and Undertale Alphys work together on the Darkest Experiment-Creating the Dark World, and Deltarune. Things go wrong, and Gaster falls into Deltarune, while scattering across time and space. He gets retconned from the timeline, and he, and all of his folowers, become ghostly Goners.

Gaster finds himself in the Dark World, his own creation, scattered accross it. Meanwhile, Deltarune Gaster is doing just fine in his bunker. Eventually, the events of Deltarune happen. Afterwards, Deltarune Sans finds a way into the timeline of Undertale, and becomes the Sans we know and love.

Deltarune Sans may have eventually learned of the experiments and ended it early at this point, which would make his death now in 201X. Either way, something made him die early, because his extraction machine is nowhere to be found in the lab-Alphys had to make her own machine.

The dog stole a BONE. The bone was probably what he would have used to summon the blasters-Not the blasters themselves.

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Actually, he might not have. He could have intended on just bringing everyone out of Undertale, and into Deltarune, bypassing the Barrier completely.