Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-29788596-20160906011125/@comment-35757757-20190707055317

Evilwizard89013 wrote: It feels like the whole "Cross out the faces" is more of what MML said, a point, and they could of even crossed the picture around the time of the plan being put together. Now that's not to say Chara was always in the right or not the "hope" the monsters believed, tbh they were pretty screwed in terms of making friends your not related to.

Asriel even said: "I'll be honest Frisk, Chara wasn't the best person." which means that the "Plan" could have been just a minipulated excuse to kill all the humans that did them wrong. But it also stands to reason that Charas trust was in asriel alone and the "X Picture" could of been easily a stress induce tantrum (teens be like dat) if we think like that, then it gets more clear.

Chara had a plan to kill, which means that they had the "Determination" to kill. Which could also give the reason as to the no win answer in the end of genocide. They tried giving the real choice to erase or not to asriel but he didn't take it, which could be why they just outright boot Frisk and just erase anyway. Because that's what there newfound purpose is, to just kill untill there's nothing left, and Chara doesn't want one descision to ruin there plan again.

...I think the point flew over your head

Especially since I’m a Chara is good person

I’m trying to say it’s just Toby Fox trolling players who thought they could just forget that the genocide run ever happened and go back to thinking they’re still “The Heroes”. The picture represents the genocide run, and is there as a reminder of what you’ve done.

And I’m pretty sure the thing about Chara not being the greatest person was because Asriel probably idolized them. He probably thought they were perfect, when really they have flaws like anybody else. And your leap in logic from “Not the greatest person” to “Manipulated Asriel and wanted to kill all of humanity” is kind of illogical. Asriel knew what the plan was, too. And he said in the tapes that they were only gonna kill SIX humans. Also, Asriel’s line about Chara is kind of similar to Monster Kid’s line about Undyne when you save them on a true pacifist run, except they actually say worse about Undyne than Asriel did about Chara (they call her “kinda mean”). If that’s the case, why not villainize Undyne? I’m pretty sure she was actually the one who wanted to wipe our humanity (Well, she plans to wage war on them in the endings where she becomes queen. Still has more implication that Chara because with Chara Asriel says that the plan will only involve killing six humans specifically. He flat out says that. There’s no implication they wanted to kill all of humanity without going into Sans is Ness levels of wild speculation. AND YOU DO NOT WANNA GO TO SANS IS NESS LEVELS).

And you just made up everything in that final paragraph didn’t you? I’M A HARDCORE UNDERTALE NERD AND THERE’S NOT EVEN ANY IMPLICATION FOR ANY OF THAT

And where would they get the picture from when they were still alive?

USE YOUR BRAN PLEASE

Ugh... Why are people so desperate in trying to prove Chara is evil by taking speculation into too wild territories to the point where it makes no sense anymore and making up stuff that was never even implied to have happened in game?

...It’s because they can’t except when they’re in the wrong, isn’t it?

How pathetic

You kill everyone in the game, and try to use a character as a scapegoat so you don’t have to feel guilty

Even when that’s what the game tries to do

I guess some people never get the point

...Like how you said you think the picture thing is more of what I said when what you said afterwards had nothing to do with it

My explanation had basically nothing to do with Chara besides them appearing in the picture and the genocide run’s ending. Other than that, I’m basically saying that the picture doenst exist in the game’s universe and it’s just the game’s way of reminding you that it remembers what you did and you can’t erase the past so easily

Stop trying to act like I support pointless Chara blaming and stop ignoring everything else I’ve commented on this thread recently because they show that. Seriously