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2)He also said he wanted to play with you forever. He could have changed his mind again.

Toby's avatar is different than IRL Toby. IRL Toby's not the reason for most bad internet posts. So Toby can exist without being the game's designer. Besides, he steals Papyrus' special attack, and the legendary artifact. Explain THOSE. And what's ACTUALLY behind the mystery door? Like, in the game's universe.

Well, it still shows that Toby can trick us with false implications. Also, I didn't say anything about Flowey being Asriel at this point. I just said that Flowey wants to be your best friend, and only wants to help you with those friendliness pellets! "The Reveal" might not have happened here, but there's PLENTY of evidence that these basic assumptions are wrong, so we should abandon them due to the inconsistencies they bring. Just like we abanonded our basic assumptions of the world when we introduced QM. The evidence is about as convincing, if not more convincing, as the evidence that Flowey was injected with determination. (Flowey. Not just any flower, but FLOWEY. That was never explicitly stated in the game.)

3.3)There is. It's called the HUD.

3.5)Not all humans are warriors. Monsters could have killed someone who wasn't fighting off-guard and take their SOUL. Or someone who was just about to die anyway. And taking that one SOUL would be enough to change the course of the war and give monsters victory. But, under the HUD theory, it would make sense that they couldn't do that-Attempting to attack triggers the HUD, and the human is given the initiative of the battle, so the human get the first move, and can one-shot the weak monster. And yes, I mean monster encounters only. Human vs human encounters work different, as proven by Chara's attack on the world. Their SOUL never becomes visible, so the mechanics are different, and much closer to the battles we're used to in this world.

Yes, we DO share our SAVE with Chara. But, that does not change the fact that the stats on the menu is OUR stats. We're the ones doing the killing, so using Sans' system "when you kill someone, your EXP increases", WE'RE the ones getting the LOVE, not Chara. Besides, Chara is a mere phantom at this point, incapable of any harm, so they don't have any capacity to hurt. There's a reason why there aren't TWO LV numbers on the SAVE. Also, we're the ones actually SAVING, so it would be OUR data that shows up. The only time Chara makes use of the feature is when they recreate the world they destroyed, by initiating a True Reset.

3.6)Unlike SAVEs, QM makes no sense. Why do particles act one way (as waves), and then when we make any observation whatsoever, it acts differently? Why is there a superposition at first, but as soon as we look, it's gone? If QM is a rule, like SAVES, it must be present at all times. But we have no proof that superposition occurs at all times. Frankly, there's no proof QM exists in the first place. Everything can be explained using Bohmian mechanics instesd. This world can't be THAT distanced from RPGs,  never said it was. So why shouldn't we imagine that things happen completely normally, instead of QM portrays it?

Look. The HUD is like QM here. We see the world differently because the mechanics that the world goes by changed for us. And the menu? That's the HUD! The SAVE dialouge box that Flowey destroys? That's the HUD! The HUD does always exist, only in different forms. And Sans absuing the HUD's mechanics serves as proof of the HUD.

You want me to ask the HUD? I thought you didn't think it existed! You can't use the HUD as an explanation if you're also denying its existence! Also, The FIGHT button is south, AWAY from Sans. Your position on the overworld does not change, you're exactly where you were when the battle begin. Therefore, you never moved. If Frisk walked up to Sans with their body, it would be reflected on the overworld. ...I just realized, maybe you meant to say that I should have an explanation for it using my theory, else it's invalid using my logic. Well, here you go! When you move the box.. You're doing just that! Moving the battle box! That way, your SOUL can reach the FIGHT command, and use it, which activates an attack like it always does.

You can't name Chara "Froggit". That's past the 6-letter limit. As for the Froggits themselves, they're actually "Froggit A", "Froggit B", ect. So they don't share a name. (The world/HUD knows if a name has been taken the same way it knows the names of all the monsters. It knows that the short skeleton's name is Sans, so it knows someone already has the name "Sans".)

3.7)If Chara's the one getting the stats, which we already deduced, then comes the question of HOW they do it. Glyde's stat checks gives us a hint that the monsters are telling Chara their stats somehow. Chara is the one telling us the stats, yes. Of COURSE they inserted said check data. But, where did they GET the data? :3

4.1)We have no proof of this. He can teleport outside of our presence, and we wouldn't know because it's not in our presence. And I mean Undertale's laws of physics when I say "laws". Also, duplicating bigger objects would mean creating more mass, or making more bonds if we're using air. So it would take more effort. After all, it's easier to clone a part than a whole. :3

4.2+6)Yes, he does. Because you control the timeline. He has to kill you to gain control back. Don't worry, little monarch, his plan isn't regicide. This game is SO much more interesting.

What happened was similar to Undyne refusing death with HER determination.

4.10)It was you who used that clandsr existing as 1AD as proof that monstef calendars wouldn't be that different! Yes, we don't see a Julian calendar in Undertale, it doesn't exist within the game itself. That's because the monsters created their own calendar, and it branches away from the human calendars BEFORE the Julian calendar-Julian's on the human side only. Humans NOW in the game of Undertale use Gregorian. So yes, Julian does not exist in any scenes of the game. It lobically wouldn't. This makes sense, as monsters have their own different calendar.

4.13)She didn't know a lot of things? She made a robot and was able to put Happstablook's SOUL inside of it, without the SOUL turning to dust! (Determination possibly?) She made you a jetpack! She made the tile puzzle! She can make firewalls, and even make the fire just vanish into thin air! She can hack the CORE. And let's not forget about the MTT news that they worked on.

Sans only said Toriel had integrity because she laughed at his jokes. Besides, Toriel wasn't going to do it for herself, she was doing it to free monsterkind. Her morals is to ACTUALLY help the monsters, instead of just goving them false hope and meekly hoping another human never arrives. So there's some integrity for you.

5)Except even if only one statement is wrong, it still makes perfect sense for Frisk to disagree with Chara. Chara assumed Frisk did something that wasn't a part of their action. Every time Frisk has done an action, it matched the option that was chosen. The player was never mentioned. Why should we just add this new entity that was never mentioned, or even HINTED at, when even this one piece of evidence can easily be explained without the player? Frisk disgreed with Chara because of the "ugly" comment.

Actually, Frisk DID hear Flowey. But they were just listening in to a conversation that wasn't for them. Remember, Chara's inside Frisk, so if Flowey's looking at Chara, they're looking at Frisk too, and vice versa. They occupy the same space. But the message was for Chara. Also, it's "see you later, [Chara]".

The player isn't referred to using any name, because the player isn't referred to at all. The player doesn't exist in the game of Undertale, just as you don't exist within your D&D campaign. (Besides, why not do a OneShot and use the player's PC name? If THAT name was used, THEN it's obviously be for the player.)