Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-32783587-20180302162510/@comment-27136653-20180311021638

"no no no, toriel and asgore are WAY different. one is a deep voice, and one is a high voice. he speaks in a generic voice because he wants to blend in with other monsters and make it seem like hes not flowey (if he was flowey, frisk wouldnt accept his help and would take longer to advance the game)"

Alas, there is no proof he's able to produce this sound. Again, this is no argument.

"flowey knows much more than we do. and in the neutral ending is simply because he doesnt help you until after the route (because that is the best way to get pacifist, by simply restarting  after a neutral so flowey can finally be what he wants, asriel. being the riverman helps him reach places faster for neutral, whether or not he killed people, so frisk can go pacifist."

Okay, I'll cut you off there. First off, he didn't label those routes himself. He doesn't "know" more about the individual timelines than we do in a strict sense. After all, from his point of view, we've just arrived. No, he simply has a plan to gather everyone, and for that, you must befriend everyone. Second, he can literally burrow himself and travel underground. Imo that's much more convenient and arguably faster than riding a boat on a river in a dark cavern while roleplaying as some McBlueHood Mysterio (yes, I just made that up).

Third, the fastest way to reach the pacifist ending is to mercy and befriend everyone. Like, literally. You don't even need to fight Asgore to reach the true pacifist ending. But that's not something a lot of people know. But that's all besides the point, since you thought that you need to reset after the fight with Omega Flowey, while in reality, if you didn't kill anyone, you can simply reload. Shows how much you really know about the game.

"so any argument against me could be said: we dont know as much as flowey knows. probably dressing up, hiding his true identity, bringing him between places. as for why he doesnt show up, its because hotland is the only place where you can truly backtrack and have benefits for progressing the game into pacifist (and if genocide,  he can take you places to kill more monsters. remember, flowey is happy with genocide (he doesnt know hell die) AND pacifist, just not neutral"

RP won't show up each time you wind up at a port, but stepped out of the boat elsewhere. He also won't show up prior to Hotland, since he docks in Hotland by default. If this was Flowey, and he really wanted to help you, he would have the boat ready at any destination no matter where you dock, and he also wouldn't make you WALK all the way to Hotland if his goal was to get the souls, knowing that Chara (who he thinks you are) might be able to convince Asgore to show where he has them stored. That was my point here. You didn't explain anything. Or maybe, I just didn't understand you. You speak English, but you still babble only illogical nonsense.

"well, he moves fro ruins to hotland, so he had to cross water at some point on the way to waterfall.. meaning yes he can go over water, whether he teleports or not"

On the way through Waterfall. There are no rivers in Snowdin that he would have to cross. But that's besides the point, since he could just burrow UNDER the riverbed.

"sigh. i know theres flaws here, but the benefits above outweigh this one TINY drawback -_-"

This theory has no benefits. It is rather very counterproductive. And ↑that, that's not just a "tiny drawback", that's literally a hole in your reasoning, a hole in your entire "theory". What you currently have, is nothing but a failing hypothesis. Before you call something a theory, make sure it accounts for EVERYTHING we observe. But I really don't want to lecture you on basic logic and the principles of the scientific method. You should have done that research yourself.

"i cant, so why are you using that  argument, but still trying to disprove me"

Because I already know how this will end. Unless you forfeit and retract your claims. But that rarely ever happens in these 'discussions.'

"wow okay, have your own opinion. but he probs is flowey. ive also thinking he might be sans but thats a long shot."

I was being sarcastic for the sake of an argument. BOI.