Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-32182236-20170602170443/@comment-34384670-20180118133724

I see you also did a followup post, alright then:

1) They didn't though - even if I were to grant your assertion that that's how it started, which is baseless speculation, nothing you've shown says that the monsters condoned that action in any way 2) Propaganda? To convince, what, the zero humans? There's no contradiction - Undyne loved her fellow monsters, so that's not a problem, and the description doesn't necessarily mean that those are the only components of monsters souls, nor that a monstet soul would cease to exist without any one of them - but that they're important elements of their soul 3) They WERE livingly peacefully underground, until Astiel was unjustled killed - then their king in anger and grief declared the war and they went along with it, probably due to admiration of the king (and we know how good humans can be persuaded to do evil by authority, see Milgram experiment for example), and that desire for wholesale murder seems to have died down, as the behaviour of pretty much every average monster you face shows (they dance, sing, try to wash you, respect your boundaries after you unhug them, and their bullets are just them attempting to communicate, as a book in the library indicates (this cannot be propaganda as this is what explains monster actions and behaviour and their bullets that harm you perfectly, and wouldn't fool any monster who could make bullets anyway). Metatton's trying to kill you (after stopping going along with alphys) to stop Asgore doing so, breaking the barrier and restarting the war, Muffet is because she was warned by Metatton about you (probably that you're an evil human, and he also offered money which she needed to rescue her spiders in the ruins), Sans didn't do anything (whole other issue with him), Papyrus just wanted to capture you and stops quickly with that too, and the list goes on - most monsters don't attempt to kill you! Thus your point about diplomacy not working is moot - monsters wouldn't want one of them to rule the rest through power and force/be cruel/a dictator etc by absorbing a human soul (s)anyways so at least they're agree to separate just to avoid that possibility.

And besides, it shows a human bias to say their extreme retliation of murdering countless monsters for the (assumed and unsubstantiated) actions of one monster is fine but the monsters overreacting for the murder of their prince is terrible.