Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20200107155350/@comment-32182236-20200107162915

Yes, welcome to Round 8.

I've been setting up a rebuttal to the script.

I've started with the introduction to his theory, which I have called "Chapter 0", and made it all the way to the end of Chapter 9. The "Mother Interlude" is there to set up Chapter 10, where Ferret talks about the Halloween Hack. Though considering that it'll probably be longer than any of the actual chapters I'm responsing to, I'm not sure whether or not to actually call it an interlude. Interludes are supposed to be short, not longer than the main thing! Does anyone have a better name? After I finish Chapter 11, me and Ferret will probably discuss what exactly he thinks happened. ...I've already done some things, but here, I'll ask more on what he actually believes happened. By attempting to gather an accurate timeline to his theory.. Similarly, I might go back and revise my counters, to account for Draft 5, and to add in what I learned from his responses to my counters. (His responses start on the Round 4 thread, so I'll start there.) I sure hope I can find a way to archive them in their Forums form, because I do not want to click 30+ times just to find Ferret's replies during/after April.

Yes, there is going to be a Draft 5. Go back to the Round 3 thread, and click on what he said was the second draft (At the time, it actually was the second draft). As you can see, the title now says Draft 5. It should be a little better than the Draft Four that he's presented us here. And that's what I'll be responding to for Chapter 10 and 11 (as given the slow rate of my Mother Interlude, he'll probably finish Draft 5 before I finish my Mother Interlude.)

Given the problems of Discussions, I won't be able to retcon my responses to fit what Draft 5 says. Sorry guys. From what I read, though, the drafts won't be all that different anyway. (Though maybe if I make my own thread and make THOSE responses.. Though I'll probably need to actually make a file or something. My standard method of doing responses won't work in Discussions.)

Oh yeah. My own thread. You see, I may or may not make my own thread titled "Asriel has no SOULs, Gaster has none", where I go over the points I made in my counters, but in a different format (I just discuss what Ferret said, and counter it, rather than directly quoting it.) This one would be more updated, as it'd actually evolve with the responses that come to it. Still haven't decided on that one. (If I do, then it'll probably be home to the current discussion between Ferret and I on this particular project. I might have other rebuttals that I still point out here, but the particular rebuttal project would solely be discussed on that thread, and only linked here.. Though I'm not sure what I'm going to do, since these introductory posts will get buried once Discussions comes along, since you have to keep clicking just to see the first few replies.)

But what I have decided is that I'll finish off with a bang, where I simulate Ferret's timeline, and watch it break down when I apply reality to it. Hint:The simulation is going to crash with Alpha Frisk. (Yes, I still plan on doing the simulation. ...If I ever get past the Mother Interlude, that is. Fortunately I've been speeding up. Instead of doing 1-2 parts per thread, I was able to do four parts per thread! ..When the first Mother game alone will probably take around 20 parts! Meaning at this rate I'll finish the first Mother game in Round 11! ..Hurray?)

Speaking of that... The Earthbound Halloween Hack itself will be quite challenging, since I intend on directly researching the things Ferret inquires about in Chapter 10:Like whether or not there's a secret path in the Northwest. I'll probably start by trying to find actual ways to go back to Twoson with the portal, by testing out some of Ferret's possible methods. Jacky's already started researching what's beyond the barriers with cheats, and we're actually making some progress. If there's a Good Ending to this game, we will find it. And it WILL be documented.

...But I don't have a camcorder. Though maybe the Game Genie Codes I give you can help you out. If I ever get the game. It's always good to be skeptical of claims, and to demand evidence. So if I get the game and do the things I said I will... I'll do my best to tell you everything I did, so that you can replicate my results for yourself. Jacky's able to give actual photos of the game, so perhaps they can confirm with images or videos after following my directions. (Assuming they don't discover the third ending first, that is. In that case, I won't need to give the directions! Or that there even is a third ending to begin with.)

Anyways, here's the current contents of my rebuttal project.

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 * Chapter 0:https://undertale.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:157112#131
 * Chapter 1:https://undertale.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:157112#133
 * Chapter 2:https://undertale.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:157112#135
 * Chapter 3:https://undertale.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:157112#144
 * Chapter 4:https://undertale.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:162205#21
 * Chapter 5:https://undertale.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:162205#111
 * Chapter 6:https://undertale.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:162205#127
 * Chapter 7:https://undertale.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:162205#222
 * Chapter 8:https://undertale.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:164189#69
 * Chapter 9:https://undertale.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:164189#98

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The Mother Interlude

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 * Part 1:https://pastebin.com/Rva65s9C
 * Part 2:https://pastebin.com/nfE1kt53
 * Part 3:https://pastebin.com/bhGUYp3d
 * Part 4:https://pastebin.com/xCXjm5w7
 * Part 4.5:https://pastebin.com/G9Lucuzb
 * Part 4.8:https://pastebin.com/x8ytMJ0L
 * Part 5:https://pastebin.com/fPSWumEW
 * Part 6:https://pastebin.com/65h95rJX