Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31371445-20170222233857/@comment-31536324-20180716070518

"And so, if the looks isn't what tells it, then maybe the HUD would, assuming Asgore would tell everyone what to expect from an encounter with a human. I don't think he told his people what the HUD is without mentioning that it ties to humans (from his experience; he couldn't have known that non-human creatures can acquire it, so he thought it's unique to human combat - at least to the humans that fall down there, so he must have mentioned it in connection with humans that the monsters may encounter, ergo, the monsters would from there on know/think that this is how humans fight). Besides, I don't think he knew nearly enough about it to actually realize that the HUD is its own thing, and not something that is unique to post-201X human souls (assuming the HUD didn't exist in the war times(*))."

Fair enough.

"So assuming that, the monsters should have been able to identify you by just fighting you. But that did not happen. Not a single time."

Why should they remark on identifying you? It would serve no purpose whatsoever.

"So Asgore didn't do any such thing. And so, if the monsters were oblivous to the existence of the HUD, they should have at the very least asked about it, correct? Well, that didn't happen either."

They clearly know how to attack and make obsticals using it, and, again, like seven or eight (including Muffet) characters prove both that the HUD is an actual thing, and that knowledge of it is commonplace.

Flowey: Explains the basic concelt of the Battle System and the SOUL.

Toriel: Elaborates the Fight and Mercy/Spare options.

Sans: Dodging.

Papyrus: Blue SOUL Mode.

Undyne: Green SOUL Mode.

Muffet: Purple SOUL Mode.

Asgore: Breaks the Mercy Button.

Gearson: Ouright says that you can't fight him (while in the overworld).

"This sufficiently proves that they don't perceive the HUD at all, as if it was clouding their mind and preventing them from reasoning correctly."

No it doesn't, at all.

"(*)Unless... the HUD did exist in the war times too. Then, it could have been a part of their folklore. They would know all about it, as in, how only humans seem to have it and how it makes battles go down, and so with that, they should have guessed your identity by just encountering you... Again, we know that didn't happen."

Proof? Also, again, why should they state, remark, or say that you're a human at all? Just because they don't say it doesn't mean they don't acknowledge it.

"So we have two final answers: the HUD tampers with their minds // the HUD doesn't exist."

An assumption with no evidence versus a statement disproven by the game itself.

"A cheap cover-up vs. denial. The former would be the weirdest assumption yet and the latter would, apparently, go against Toby's own words? Well... since Undertale only works as a game, it may as well be self-aware like Oneshot or Doki Doki Literature Club."

We've been telling you how it works as a universe of its own repeatedly. Yet you keep denying it and trying to force your own view with little evidence to back it up.

"But if we want to turn it into its own universe, then the only sensible explanation for the former WOULD be a simulated reality(**)."

Why do I have to keep telling you the basic concept of an AU? No, the only sensible explanation is that it's a universe of its own with different laws, rules, principles, and properties than our own.

"(**)You see, you have something that tampers with the continuity of the entire world, that may or may not have always existed, and even intricately modifies everyone's memories so that they would not ask the right questions."

No, that is straight up fanon.

From what we can get from the game, the HUD and S/L/R Ability are two distinctly separate things. It's more or less likely that the latter is an extension of the former that's acquired after achieving a certain condition. Neither is ever really conflated with the other.

"If it always existed, then we can extend the idea onto the overworld too. It would be a logical thing to draw. If the HUD was always there, what else was always there? The HUD is literally incompatible with OUR world, so why should that world be like our world, am I right?"

Again, the basic concept of an AU is that the laws, rules, principles, and properties are all different in some form or another.

"...the Froggits speaking of keyboard keys meaning it literally, etc, all of which would even strongly imply the simulation scenario."

This! FINALLY! EVIDENCE! IT'S ABOUT TIME!

"On the other hand, say the HUD was created artificially at some point in time and you've got a problem, it collides with the overworld, which should still act like our world. Unless, of course, the creation of the HUD changed it as well. Or perhaps, the fact that it wasn't like our world made it possible to construct the HUD in the first place."

So, an Alternate Universe, like we've been saying? The former IS an interesting idea though.

"In any case, you can see that the overworld MUST be different from our world no matter what, all because of the HUD."

By explanation of it being artificially created, yes. Or simply because it's an alternate universe with different laws, rules, principles, and properties than our own, and the HUD is just one of those laws, rules, principles, and properties.

"But due to the nature of the HUD, we know exactly how different. Assuming the overworld and the HUD are the same, ergo, their laws agree with one another - they're compatible, then the following must be true for the overworld as well, or at least, possible to construct: selective mind control, selective continuity / mind-related action halt, transmutation of physical matter into non-physical magical "stats", buttons that utilize fonts, etc. The last is probably the most cheesy one."

Proof on the selective mind control and mind-related action halt, please? Everything else fits perfectly, it's just the stuff involving mind control that has no basis or sense. How is the last one the "most cheesy one"?

"All of this would be fine on its own, but the HUD is still the biggest hurdle here. Where is it coming from? I don't think the souls are creating it on its own, it's always the same. The only thing the souls appear to be doing is cheating it. So it must have a different source. Is there like a machine powering the entire world into such state? Or perhaps only the underground?"

First: Where did that machine come from? Who built it? How did they build it? Why did they build it? You are in fanon territory here.

Second: Why do you keep reiterating the same question, and acting like it's a completely new one? It's a natural law and principle of the world, like gravity, or the wind.

"Final question: is the entire underground under a mind control experiment where no one asks any question about this otherwise unnatural (although completely possible) phenomena? I mean, constant explosions in the air are possible in our world and yet, you would probably see people freaking out if they started happening. Same thing here, the HUD might make sense, but is certainly not natural. The monsters are being mind-controlled into thinking it is."

Evidence? Proof? Otherwise this is literally just fanon founded on no proof. At least Glitchtale actually uses proof and evidence from the game to explain its world.

"This is my explanation of things if the HUD was a thing. Because the difference between it and the overworld is like night and day, clear even to the biggest idiot. And while the monsters may not see all of it, they would still observe its effects, e.g. turns. But they don't."

What exactly implies that they don't? I don't say that I'm wet every time I get wet. I don't say that I'm hurt every time I get hurt. What they would be saying is not only obvious, but redundant as well. They clearly see and know how it operates, so why should they start saying, elaborating, and remarking on it for no reason? Same with the whole "You're human" thing.

I guess Sans is the only w0ke one or something?"

No, he's just the only one who researched it enough to discover that monsters can dodge too.