Board Thread:Questions and Answers/@comment-25958552-20160731160314/@comment-13682699-20170723061702

Stevethebarbarian wrote: TORIEL strongly implies that the six humans before you were humans, first off.

Second off, ASRIEL only died because he passively sat around and let himself get hit. A monster with a human SOUL would have no trouble taking what he wanted when he wanted it, as long as he wasn't sombrely trodding along carring his dead best friend. Besides, ASGORE is obviously far more powerful than ASRIEL, and that 80 DF would last him a while even WITHOUT a human SOUL.

And of course Tori is a hypocrite, but it's not her JOB to protect monsterkind, it's ASGORE's.

And the monsters and humans wouldn't be able to war if ASGORE didn't want them to. He'd be God, capable of protecting monsters and humans from each other. It's not like he'd need to use that power all the time, ASRIEL is able to stay in his original form, even with seven SOULs absorbed.

Hell, if he wanted to, he could easily prevent the war from ever happening in the first place. Just six SOULs were enough for Flowey to erase man and monsterkind entirely, ASGORE with all seven should have no problems rewriting history and ensuring that humans and monsters stayed at peace.

One way or another, none of it changes the fact that ASGORE is either an idiot for not realizing what he had the capacity to do, or simply a sniveling coward for refusing to take the initiative and do it. Of course they were humans, they just weren't explicitly stated to be children, thats' all.

Asriel's character clearly takes his disposition after his father, which means that Asgore would also take the hits too. (Like father, like son?) Not to mention that no matter what DEF a monster has, it is negated if the monster does not wish to fight and is further reduced depending on the killing intent of the person (which I'm pretty sure anyone would want to do if they came asking for your/your family member's SOUL)

Toriel was Queen of the underground. It was her responsibility just as much as it was Asgore's. No ifs/ands/or buts about it. This is not a debatable point.

Asgore would have great power with a single human SOUL but not Godly. If humans wanted to, they could kill Asgore even with a human SOUL provided they involved enough humans and weaponry. They aren't invincible until they have 7 human SOULs.

Flowey didn't erase anyone at all. He simply created a separate space where he made you his plaything.

Asgore is a bit of both, an idiot and a coward, but at the same time he was doing the best he could under the near impossibly tragic circumstances. It took a bit for his anger to fade, but by then it was too late and he found himself having to hold himself to his word to keep hope alive yet secretly hoping that no other humans fell down. A lot of people here irl would honestly do worse in his place