Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31371445-20170222233857/@comment-31536324-20180907184852

To Tsskyx: Here are the entries pertaining to SP and DT.

"ENTRY NUMBER 1: This is it... Time to do what the King has asked me to do. I will create the power to free us all. I will unleash the power of the SOUL."

Nothing much to say here, other than power being spoken of in a general sense.

"ENTRY NUMBER 2: The barrier is locked by SOUL power.. Unfortunately, this power cannot be recreated artificially. SOUL power can only be derived from what was once living. So, to create more, we will have to use what we have now... The SOULs of monsters."

No mention of DT here.

"ENTRY NUMBER 3: But extracting a SOUL from a living monster would require incredible power... Besides being impractical, doing so would instantly destroy the SOUL's host. And, unlike the persistent SOULs of humans... The SOULs of most monsters disappear immediately upon death. If only I could make a monster's SOUL last…"

This is why we don't see any monster SOULS other than boss monsters after death.

"ENTRY NUMBER 5: I've done it. Using the blueprints, I've extracted it from the human SOULs. I believe this is what gives their SOULs the strength to persist after death. The will to keep living... The resolve to change fate. Let's call this power... "Determination.""

The exact premise of the power of DT, and the subsequent coining of the name.

The natural persistence of Human SOULS after death is mentioned throughout the game. The will to keep living is outright described by Flowey when he was recounting his discovery of S/L/R to Frisk. And the dictionary definition (i.e Firmness of purpose) is outright said with the "resolve to change fate" line. Resolve is defined as firmness of purpose, same as Determination.

And here's the thing: it's never ONCE referenced or correlated with SOUL Power, merely stated as something extracted from the SOUL.

"Flag 1: Bravery, Justice, Kindness, Patience, Integrity, and Perseverance. Using these you have won Ball Game.

"Flag 2: Try as you might, you continue to be yourself."

Flag one tells us how we get the red trait, and the names of the other traits.

Flag two tells us what the trait is, not directly, but in a roundabout way.

What was it that Frisk needed to achieve their original goal of leaving the Underground in the Neutral Route? Was is it that pushes one to continue their course of action, even something like Genocide? What is it that Frisk needed to SPARE Asriel? Determination, the will to keep living, resolve to change fate, and firmness of purpose.

Frisk is most associated with DT; S/L/R is accessed via DT; Frisk has a Red SOUL; SOUL Power and DT are differentiated as two separate things in  the True Lab Entries. Never once is SP mentioned in any of the DT related entries, and never once is DT mentioned in the SP related entries.

The DT experiments were both to cure the "FALLEN DOWN" condition, and create a being capable of absorbing Monster SOULS, since neither humans nor monsters can absorb the SOUL of another of their respective kinds.

If the monsters died, their SOULS persisted, and Flowey came to life? Great, they now have the means to escape and break the barrier. If the monsters didn't die, and Flowey either did or didn't come to life? Well they at least found a cure; and the monsters SOULS still might persist, so there's still a chance at escape if Flowey came to life still. If not, then they at least found a cure.

But as we know, neither of those scenarios happened. The monsters became the amalgamates, and we all know how Flowey turned out.