Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20181123023529/@comment-32182236-20181123233502

My approach may be a little unorthidox, brainstorming possible directions the story could go and then searching to see if the pieces of lore would allow such an approach, but it has given me great results in the past.

Why not stat with what bets fits the evidence?

Remember when Doctor Strange viewed thousands of possible timelines in Infinity War, to find the one outcome where our heros actually prevailed against Thanos? That feels I lot like what I do. Trying endless possiblity branches to discover the handful that actually carry weight, then repeating the process by exploring those branches further, to see where they might lead, and what other possiblities exist.

We're not looking for the happiest story, we're looking for the TRUE story. What do you use to measure the "weight" something carries? I use how well it fits in with the evidence throughout the game, and how completely it does this. Start with the evidence, make conclusions based on that evidence, test the hypothesis with further investigation.. You know, like a scientist would!

"Proving Sans is a human will be fairly easy, since the evidence I've collected is overwhelming. They may call themselves brothers, but there's no way that Sans (timetraveling, #1 customer at Grillby's) and Papyrus (the unsleeping, unbleeding milk-drinker) have the same mother."

Napstablook and Hapstablook are cousins, and they behave like near opposites.

"Also, we see the six human souls (who, according to the library at Snowdin, have no magic in them) use a power that isn't magic to tear out of Photoshop Flower and destroy him. A power of moving things with their minds much like Sans' Psychokinesis. Magic is not the only power source in this universe."

The book only specifically says they can't represent themselves through magic. The mages used a MAGIC SPELL to banish the monsters underground. If that's not proof that humans can use magic, I don't know what is.

"When Flowey stole the six human souls, then used that power to magnet all of the monster souls in the underground (minus Napstablook) into him, he gained enough monster souls for the equivalent of the 7th human soul. And since he already had the power of a God, an extra human soul absorbed from Sans might simply not have been noticed by him."

Sans was one of the first to get grabbed by Flowey, though. He'd become a god earlier than expected. And when Asriel breaks the Barrier, he uses the power of ALL of them to do this. Note that only SIX human souls exist. All the others are white and upside down. SIX. Not seven, SIX. Where is that missing human SOUL? Why didn't Flowey just use the seven human SOULs? (This is where I expected the argument that the human somehow got the white SOUL trait to come into play. But I can debunk that possibility a different way now-None of the SOULs were right-side up like a human's would be either.)

"Frisk repeatedly follows Sans' strange teleport shortcuts. And Frisk starts the game wearing a bandage after falling a great distance. Frisk probably has amnesia, especially if he doesn't recognize Gaster's void."

How is this supposed to prove that Frisk is past-Sans? Frisk follows Sans' shortcuts because they all WORK. This would better serve as evidence that Frisk is FUTURE Sans than the other way around, though I don't believe that claim either (it presents a problem with Sans' fight.)

Frisk doesn't recall the void because they have no reason to. They were never there. They're the eigth human that fell into the Underground, with the red SOUL trait, and nothing more.