Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31536324-20190117214835/@comment-27136653-20190307224239

''Nabstablook DOES have a physical form though, we physically try to push him out of the way in the Ruins. If anything Ghost Monsters are just monsters that can control the tangibility and visibility of their bodies, thus allowing them to possess other things.''

Emphasis on "try." We don't actually do it, do we? We don't know how ghosts work, because we've never interacted with one before. So how can we be sure this plan will work? Or are we sure that it will work simply because we see a thing, and therefore assume we are able to touch the thing?

''Considering he gave focus to Mad Dummy of all characters and created an entirely new set of character sprites, battle mechanics, and little alterations to the Pacifist Ending in the Switch Version that were never in any other version. I think it's safe to say that he's not as lazy as you're inmplying.''

No he wasn't. But there is a limit to nitpicking. Not everything has a logical explanation and some things are simply given. Once again, I present the glass tiles. And also Homestuck. Yeah. Try and figure THAT one out with this exact approach.

''No it's not. That's you assuming things about a real life person in ordsr to justify your viewpoints.''

And I make sure my assumptions are as correct as possible. The work is not complete without its creator. For example, you can't understand Scientology without understanding L. Ron Hubbard. And besides, my assumptions about Toby are not skewed by my own head canons. You wanna know what I think is the truth right now? Not anything that would support my head canons. Right now, I'm saying that you're correct, except that you're looking too deeply into it. My AU is not what Toby envisioned, but it's my way of making sense of the story. If Toby isn't going to, I will.

Except turns and the battle system ARE CANON TO THE WORLD, distegarding either automatically invalidates the theory since you're supposed to work with the canon in your theories.

Indeed, the game is canonically its own canon. And by this logic, it cannot be its own universe (not as long as it can be fully described via a GameMaker code). Camila Cuevas was right in this sense, Frisk DOES get stuck after reaching the pacifist ending, because that's literally how the game works. But then she did something different. She broke her own rules, just so that she could turn the game into its own universe. If you say that the battle system is canon and must be interpreted exactly how we see it, then everything else must be too, regardless of whether it actually contributes to the plot or not, because it's not about the plot, it's about the mechanics of the game itself.

Undertale is an experience and working with the meta puts the ultimate constrain on you, not being able to change, disregard or add anything. To take a liberty in this regard means to stop being 100% faithful to the meta. So if you're allowing yourself to disregard obvious jokes, then allow me to disregard the battle system. It's a fair play.

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Feeling has no point or place in a theory.

Storytelling is massive, and as you could see from before, you reach different conclusions by attaching different feelings to different situations in the game. And saying that Toby didn't focus on the feelings is just plain wrong. I'm adamant that he did think about this. Because a man who has created such a masterful soundtrack must have throught about something other than the logic of his story at least once.

A feeling has no place in a theory, because it would impact the outcome. But that's only in regards to a personal bias. What about the creator himself?

Except simce that's explicitly what's stated, then why are you so against it?

It's not stated that DT is red. What is stated, is that red is a trait. I cannot believe you're still on about this. We wouldn't be here anymore if you were correct about this.

Given that there are two red flags with two stated criteria for the Red Trait (combining the other 6 traits and having an unwavering firmness of purpose)

Combining the other 6 traits and being yourself.*

What you stated instead is the dictionary definition of DT.

Monster Bodies - Made up of Magic and Dust, fade to dust upon death.

M: They bleed, breathe, have hearts, can be sick, throw up, etc. It's more logical to say that their bodies are physical.

Ghost Monster Bodies - Can control tangibility and visibility, fade to dust upon death, can possess inanimate objects.

M: They can never be touched or hurt unless they fuse with their possessed vessel. We also never see a ghost dying, not directly at least.

The rest of this fucking thread: behave yourself, you animals.