Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-27136653-20180228205701/@comment-32182236-20180303221637

Better argument than any I’ve seen so far. But, does it actually prove its point? Well, let’s find out.

Now, first off, yes, Chara knew Gaster. But, of course, it’s clear you mean the part about Chara being in the Ruins. As I explain in some of my later posts, my current belief (prior to the post you linked, we’ll see if this post changes it) is that Chara fell while Toriel and Asriel were the only ones left in the Ruins, and that Chara falling lead them to leave at last.

So, there are two main arguments used as evidence:The paintings, and the gap in Monster History.

First off, a close analysis of the picture reveals it’s actually closer to an echo flower than a golden flower, if you take into consideration its shape. Color doesn’t seem to matter, as it’s either black and white or red and white:The Dremmurrs didn’t have that many colors to use.

But secondly, contradicting the line of reasoning that I seemed to be going with this (that Chara had nothing to do with the drawing at all, and this evidence is therefore irrelevant).. The one in New Home was indeed hand-drawn by Chara themselves. But, let’s take a look at the timeline.

First, the HOME drawing was made. Then, the NEW Home drawing was made. Now, one might ask:Why make the same drawing twice, for the same kid? You already made it once, why do the exact same thing over again? I mean, how hard is it to just take the one you already made with you from HOME, and just take THAT to New Home? Not like you’ll ever go back HOME.. And if you do, it’ll be because your actions have been undone, Chara.

For some reason, the narration doesn’t mention it being their drawing at all in HOME. Only in New Home. Here’s an explanation I’ve tried to came up with.

ASRIEL drew the first drawing. Chara, after seeing the drawing, that was likely forgotten.. Decided to recreate it when they arrived to New Home. Or maybe even RIGHT THERE, before they left. Perhaps to show Asriel how much they liked the drawing? The post says this is impossible, but that’s due to the assumption that these are golden flowers, and not the more common echo flowers.

...Unfortunately, there is a plot hole here as well. Echo flowers are only in Waterfall, and this happened during the Ruins era. So.. Asriel would have no inspiration to make echo flowers here. And Asgore’s garden was in New Home, not Old Home. ...So this doesn’t make sense either. ...Let’s try this a THIRD time, shall we?

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Asgore’s garden.. This brings me to something interesting.. Something I haven’t fully called into attention before. Asgore had a garden before Chara returned from the Surface. This means Asgore, at one point, had a garden that was NOT composed of golden flowers. But then, what could they be?

...Okay, they were probably just buttercups. It’s the only flower we KNOW existed underground during that time. But, they weren’t in the Ruins, so we can still rule that explanation out.

So, now back to the flower analysis.. Yeah, it seems to be an undeniable fact that this drawing was made either by Chara, or by someone after they left the Ruins and came back. (Toriel?) ...Yeah, the latter’s pretty far of a stretch. The drawing being made by Chara is the most probable situation. But this doesn’t mean Chara spent the night-The beds are still evidence against this. Therefore, the most probable outcome is still:Chara falls into the Ruins, stays like a few minutes and makes a drawing, and leaves on the same day. This almost certainly means Chara was the defacto reason why Toriel officially moved to New Home.

Now, we finally move onto the history books. Yes, there is indeed a Part 2 and 3 somewhere, but we never get to see it. Part 2 likely is talking about the puzzles built, once again, in fear of humans, while Part 3 would probably be talking about Asriel Dreemurr becoming the prince, and some of the meetings of Asgore.. Political stuff.

One possibility the blog post convientiently fails to mention is that perhaps they don’t fear the humans anymore because they were sure no human would come. The Waterfall plaques seem to flat-out say that a human will NEVER come down. If the monsters were assured that humans would never fall.. They’re not fearful of humans anymore, because they believe such an attack will never happen, because humans will never come down in the first place! They fear the humans no longer!

I do agree that Part 5 probably talked about Chara’s death, Asriel’s death, and then the proclamation of war that the king gave. Parts 6-8 give the background of a human SOUL, explaining the nature of SOULs in general.. Which could then lead up to a Part 9 and later parts, where it’s discussed how to contain these SOULs, leading up to chapters about Asgore capturing six human SOULs, the formation of the Royal Guard...

So, what’s the conclusion? ...Chara fell, showed to be a loving child, made a drawing.. And Toriel promptly takes Asriel and Chara our within a day. Everyone else already left because they were sure another human would never arrive, with Toriel staying (at least at first), due to the fact that as Asgore lead the initial monster expedition (he gave all the names DURING the expedition), the monsters who stayed in the Ruins would need a leader too.

The post did a lot better than anything I’ve seen so far, though.