Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20181123023529/@comment-35806478-20181207183308

Finally, the new chapter's out! Now I can argue against all of your arguments at once.

Chapter 6: More Secret Humans!

You ask the question - why would Gaster refuse to confront Frisk, whose mightiest obstacle is a tomato? I say you're already wrong on multiple accounts. Firstly of all, you keep assuming that Gaster somehow pulled himself together from being shattered across time and space. ...How? Secondly of all, " whose most furious strike can barely knock over a tomato? "? Really? Are you sure you're not using any hyperbole? Last I checked, dealing hundreds of damage to a boss monster in a pacifist route is not "barely knocking over a tomato".

Frisk is Ness, right? Frisk is Ness. Despite the fact that they look nothing alike, Frisk is Ness.

I'll tell you what that dramatic flash means at the end of the Ruins. It signifies the end of the first chapter, the start of the real game, and the end of the demo. You can tell the ending was copy-pasted from the demo because the Undertale logo pops up at the end of the Ruins in both versions. Incidentally, the Ruins are supposed to be a tutorial - Toriel = Tutorial, there is literally hand-holding, there are also numerous Froggits telling you what to do, and the game enforces the message of SPARING through Toriel's fight. The dramatic flash at the end of the Ruins signifies, "You're in the real game now. Good luck." Also, Sans' story hasn't begun when we enter Snowdin. If anything, we arrive at the very end, determining his fate of freedom or "freedom".

Sans didn't turn us in because he wanted Papyrus to finally be able to live his fantasies of being a human-hunting Royal Guard (and also maybe get a real friend for Papyrus).

Yes, it might be strange that the lamp was so convenient, but you don't even know who made the conveniently shaped lamp. Sans made it? Prove it!

Okay, so Sans can be serious at times. I agree.

<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#ffffff;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;">You think Sans is more powerful than Asgore and Undyne? That simply isn't true. The whole reason Sans is powerful is because he has KR - Karmic Retribution. (I'd also like to point out that no human has been shown with this ability) KR whittles at your invincibilty frames and your health to create a guy that can deal up to over 70 damage in one second. But he wouldn't be as powerful against someone who isn't a genocidal maniac. In fact, anybody who hadn't killed before could easily stomp the floor with Sans, as Sans would only deal 1 damage every few seconds.

<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#ffffff;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;">The "monsters are comprised of LOVE and happiness" is probably baseless propaganda. Don't believe me? Take a look at Undyne, a spear-happy warrior fish who constantly brags about killing you, a child. Take a look at Mad Dummy, who is...really mad. For no reason. He just appears, tries to kill you, bullies his minions, and then goes away. Take a look at Toriel, who is so lonely and desperate to keep you alive that she...tries to kill you? Are we sure Toriel hasn't lost some brain cells while being in the Ruins? Or even take a look at monsterkind, who are all wishing for the eradication of humanity. What LOVE! What Kindness!

<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#ffffff;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;">Oh, and I didn't realize you thought Chara enjoyed watching others suffer. I thought you said they were just unable to feel compassion.

<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#ffffff;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;">Sans killed Flowey because Flowey was bugging Papyrus? Where does it say that?

<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#ffffff;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;">Why doesn't Sans kill you until you murder literally everyone? Because he knows that you can reset, he knows of his own limits, and he knows how much of a threat you pose. As I've just explained, Sans is only powerful when his enemies are evil. So Sans would be reluctant to fight someone who's only LV 5 as opposed to LV 19. Also, you're only a threat to the entire universe in the genocide route, and Sans knows this. He's studied timelines, remember? And finally, he knows you're the anomaly that removes all free will from his life. He knows he can't beat you in a fight, so he never tries. It's only when the universe is threatened that Sans even bothers taking a stand.

<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#ffffff;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;">That's it. Fin.

<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#ffffff;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;">End of Chapter 6.