Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-27907368-20160506131212/@comment-28029625-20160517014243

GetYourFix wrote: We know for certain that a soulless vessel can manipulate time. This vessel (Flowey) was given this ability by DT taken from human SOULs, which is interesting considering that Alphys also tells us that "Determination" is correlated to the physicality of humans, not their SOULs.

So, combining these SOULs with a vessel once again allows them to usurp Frisk's SLR ability as they were the initial source of "Determination". While they are without a body, time manipulation cannot occur.

This also explains why the Asriel/Chara hybrid did not use SLR - Chara's SOUL alone was absorbed by Asriel, meaning that the two did not inhabit a physical body.

Asgore only fights the protagonist when their SOUL shatters; there is no time to put their SOUL into a glass jar. He expects the SOUL to persist after death, not shatter and become unusable. There is nothing Asgore can do about the SOUL shattering - it is the protagonist/player alone that can achieve the TP ending and gain the ability to re-fuse. Okay I'm going to correct you quickly. You keep saying that the determination that was injected into Flowey was from a human soul, which it wasn't. It said in the True Lab that Alphys had to stick to what she had, so she got it from monsters. And it's not impossible for monsters to naturally have determination. Undyne does, that's why she melts at the end of the Undyne the Undying fight.

But if human souls are a lot more powerful than monster souls, then the human determination would be more, potent, than monster souls. That could be the reason why Frisk had more control than Flowey. And Photoshop Flowey had more control than Frisk because he absorbed the 6 human souls.

And I'm pretty sure the red colored soul being the Determination one is canon. It's not saying that only humans with red souls have determination, they just have more of it.

And then also, who said Chara couldn't reset? One way that Alphys described Determination was "the will to live" ("what happens when something without a SOUL gains the will to live?"). The will to live lets them go back to save points. Chara wanted to free the monsters. They came up with a plan with Asriel to have him absorb their soul, so he could get to the surface and get the souls required to break the barrier. For that to happen, Chara would have wanted to die.

(anyways, just some random thoughts of mine)