Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31371445-20170222233857/@comment-32182236-20171226113716

Since you STILL haven't finished your response to me, I'll be responding to the later response that you DID finish.

"Sans has the capability, Undyne wouldn't give us a shield, Mettaton would have actually used his human-killing weapons, Alphys would have blocked off all the entrances and exits and Asgore wouldn't have to dodge and give us an opportunity to heal."

No, you can beat Sans. You do in a Genocide Run. If "kindness" really is protecting your SOUL, then Undyne can't turn you green without you getting a shield. She "gave" you a shield because she turned you green. But, it is true she was being soft, as she was flat-out telling you how to dodge to make it fair. But, even at her full force (Undying), she can be taken down by someone with Frisk's power. Mettaton wasn't created until after Gaster fell, and considering Alphys' entries all being written around the same time, since Flowey wasn't created until after the six humans fell, neither was Mettaton likely-He couldn't do anything to the other humans, because he didn't exist!

"I mean, if those kids REALLY had the same powers as Frisk (and they did have), then how COME they gave up? Perhaps they've been met with some impossible task."

No, they didn't. They didn't have enough determination. Let me quote the OP for a bit, okay?

"First take note of the fact that manipulating time with determination alone is an anomaly, even in the universe of Undertale. The reason why Flowey had the ability to SAVE could have been because Flowey was injected with an unnatural amount of determination (possibly as much as 6 human souls worth, give or take). It could be this overabundance of determination allows the host to assert will over other things that transcend physicality, like time, for example."

I agree with that statement. While it was created as a response to Chara being unable to SAVE (My own answer is that Asriel was resisting, and since Asriel had Chara's SOUL, Asriel had the ability when they went back underground and died... Without knowing what it is.)

"And keep in mind, Flowey doesn't even have a soul, he only has injected determination. Alphys got the DT for that from the souls, and for sure she didn't drain one whole soul"

Why couldn't she have drained, say, one-fourth of each of the six SOULS, adding up to a total of 1.5 non-red SOULs worth? Or even half of each, making it the same as 3 non-red SOULs?

Now for my take on the whole seven trait things.. Yes, the Ball Game. Also, can you list a personality trait that can't be defined as either:

1-A mixture of multiple of these seven traits

2-The same thing as one of the seven traits

3-Simply being the absence of one of the seven traits (For example, cruelty is the absence of kindness, cowardice is the absence of bravery..)

Other than that though, you have it spot-on. Also, my challenge to find these extra traits are both for Rafip (Who thinks more than 7 traits exist), and for you (Who thinks more than seven traits COULD exist, as evidence as to why "traits" aren't actually personality traits.) Also, remember, we're looking for TRAITS, not emotions. So stuff like "happiness" doesn't count.

The rest of the post assumed the other kids can SAVE and LOAD, so I have no response to that, as I would still argue they couldn't. Flowey had an unnatural amount of determination. Frisk had even more than that, "overriding" his. But, in order to make such SAVEs in the first place, that'd in of itself require large amounts of determination.

Remember, Sans only spotted ONE anomaly in the timespace continnum-Which is the time period when Flowey, then Frisk, had the ablity to SAVE. Why didn't Sans spot similar anomalies with the other six humans? Why isn't SAVing common knowledge? If there was no minimum requirement, then whenever there wasn't a human, a certain monster would be able to SAVE and LOAD...