Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-32182236-20170602170443/@comment-27089028-20170729153913

TheHumanAmbassador wrote: Starscream1998 wrote: TheHumanAmbassador wrote: Look, Asriel flat-out tells us that not everything can be resolved by just being nice. I'm sure that line is important in some way. There are times when we will have to stray from being as nice as Frisk is in the True Pacifist Ending. Because being nice all the time won't solve everything. And everything in the entire game was solved by being nice.. And I say, the ecxeptions is the problem of SOUL absorption. With all due respect to Asriel he's a bit of a pessimist at this point but do you really think someone like Frisk (or at least the version of the character I have in mind) is really going to believe that? Nobody is beyond saving, nobody is beyond redemption and I outright refuse to believe otherwise because if I do...then I'm not sure I would want to continue living in a world so agonisingly black and white. I like to believe in a world where Monsters and humans can live together in harmony and that the pros outweigh the cons. Yes you're always going to have people who will try to upset that but I'd personally rather face it head on with 2 societies behind me rather than have a compromise by erecting another barrier all out of fear.

Also you better find me a more heartless villain than Flowey because if he absorbs the human and Monster souls again he'll be able to feel an overwhelming amount of emotion and he was souless so what do you think it'll do to a Monster who already has a soul. If you finish the Genocide Route, you're beyond saving (in the game's lore). I'm not sure about the real world, but in the world of Undertale, which is what we must use when analysing the humans' actions, there ARE people beyond saving. Also, take Chara from the Genocide Route. (You know, the demon who destroys the world, only brings it back if you sell your SOUL? Hey, the challenge was to name evil characters. Why NOT mention the evilest character in the entire game?) The vast majority aren't, but some are.

The people who try to upset the balance will eventually succeed. They literally have an infinite number of tries.

Flowey could have killed Frisk at the very start of the game if Toriel didn't save them. He could easily start by killing humans. But, you do make a point with that giving him his love back. Chara's a more heartless villain (In the Genocide Route. BEFORE the Genocide Route is debatable, but I'm referring specifically to the Chara who destroys the world. The manifestation of LOVE.) Undertale doesn't need a villain imo never has never will https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYHXpdNqdGs