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Okay, so this is my first time using this..site? So don't kill me if I mess up. I just wanted to get this thing out there.


 * SANS IS HUMAN (THEORY)

Okay, we've all heard this theory once or twice, and we all shook our heads at it, I did the same, but let me tell you, I've probably got more proof than those idoits just saying that Sans was bleeding and that's all the proof you need, I actually explain more on it.

First lets explain some facts on Sans.

So lets begin.

Why people's theories about the blood are so very wrong.


 * The blood isn't ketchup.

Monster food vanishes upon consuming it so that ketchup Sans had drank earlier wouldn't be in his system, but this is even if Sans COULD consume it, which he couldn't have if he was a skeleton. This is shown in the demo of Undertale.

IF Sans had stored ketchup in his jacket one of two things would have happened.


 * 1) Sans would have consumed the ketchup once it hit his open skeleton, and his hp would go back up, but this means Sans couldn't have coughed up the ketchup.


 * 1) Sans didn't consume the ketchup and it somehow magically got to his mouth, since Sans has no reason to cough it up or anything to actually cough it up.

The first one didn't happen since you didn't get a sound of someone healing.

The second one is just illogical.


 * The blood isn't from the marrow of bones.

Marrow isn't blood at all, its just tissue that produces blood cells, BUT since Sans has no organs that need blood, there's no reason to be blood.

Monsters don't even bleed, shown when you cut Toriel on her chest and face and nothing comes out, its just a black void. The same with Undyne.

If you are saying JUST skeletons bleed, remember, Pap didn't.


 * The blood isn't PURE DETERMINATION

If Sans was truly a monster, his special DETERMINATION ability would only show AFTER killing him once, like with Undyne on Netural and Geno. Sans, however, didn't revive himself at all, he didn't even melt, and if you are going to use this excuse for the blood, then ask,*"Why didn't Undyne bleed DETERMINATION?"*.

This is so far all the excuses I've heard for the blood, tell me if you have more.

On to the next one!


 * Skeletons don't eat, yet Sans does.

Paps judgement on his spaghetti is totally dependent on others' opinions, you'd think he would try it himself, but no, and in his fridge it says,"The fridge is filled with tons of UNEATEN spaghetti.", and then there's the one bag of chips that San had eaten.

Here's a BIG piece of proof Pap can't eat:

Undyne asks to go inside Grillby's because she's cold, Pap says no because he hates grease, then she says,"But you don't even have a stomach!", implying he doesn't have a stomach to consume it anyways.

So how come Sans can eat?

Skeletons can't feel pain, yet Sans does.

Pap wasn't in pain after you cut his head off, but Sans shows visible signs of torment when you cut him, he even LIMPS away (you only limp when your in some sort of discomfort). The only expression Pap showed was surprise.

Here's more on how Pap cant feel, cold, or pain.

Undyne asks Pap if he is cold and he says no because he doesn't have skin. So, Pap can't feel the cold, what makes you think he could feel pain?

Sans was acting weird once he got to the Surface.

Everyone at the end of the True Pacifist seems absolutely flabbergasted once they see the sun, Sans? Nah.

Here's also something weird he said,"We, call that, the sun, my friend." Now, I already know Undyne knows what the sun is so forget about that, just pay attention to these two things,"We", and,"My friend".

Since some monsters, like Pap, probably have no idea what the sun is, I have no idea why Sans would say,"We", since, humans were the ones to come up with the name.

Sans also calls Pap,"my bro",and says,"hey, bro", to him the ENTIRE game, yet stops suddenly once he gets to the surface, something seems off here.

'''Sans remembers every reset, like Flowey. '''

Oh, you thought Sans could guess how many times you've died, just by looking at your expression? Think again, no one is that good. I don't even need to explain this more, its practically fact.

'''Why Sans cant correctly count each time he kills you. '''

''Both skeleton brothers are shown to have a counting problem. ''

When at Paps bedroom, Pap can't correctly count the number of followers he has, saying that he is twelve away from double digits, which is impossible because that would be negative two followers.

Sans cant count correctly either, shown when he cant figure out if its 7 or 9, and he cant count above 12.

(The reason they can't count correctly is because of memory loss, which I shall explain in Sans and Paps story.)

Why Sans gave up trying to go back'''. '''

Sans wanted to go back to the Surface, but his timeline passed a long time ago. Even if he went back, everyone he ever knew up there is dead.

Why Sans doesn't try and take over Resets.

Who says he can't? Well, Sans can already control time, and I think that follows along with the whole,"Save","Load","Reset", thing, need proof? Don't worry, I'll explain later.

How Sans can use magic.

Sans is human, or at least mostly, so that means humans can use magic, yes you heard me correct.

At the beginning of the game it says,"Humans sealed monster underground with a magic spell", this proves humans use magic.

The books in the underground just said that humans could never express themselves through magic (I'll explain what this means in the next part). This now goes to my monsters were created by humans theory. (Yes, I need to explain this for the next point on Sans to make any sense).

MONSTERS WERE CREATED BY HUMANS

Humans can't express themselves through magic, this means they can never change into a different form (like what Undyne did with her DETERMINATION), humans just have too much physical matter. Well...what if we made something that could? Monster, certainly not human, but awfully like something you may see something above ground, right?

Monsters' bodies, unlike humans, depend on their SOUL, and also, unlike them, they have no physical matter, this gives them the opportunity to 'express themselves through magic'. Since humans CAN use magic, changing form with magic is the only thing I can think of that humans can't do.

Now okay, monsters made by humans, just IMAGINE the MASSIVE panic humans would have upon hearing they can steal your soul. Even if Monsters didn't want to hurt anyone, humans wouldn't care and just want them gone. Just think about it, why would they only NOW unleash war on them? Why not when you first found them?

''Now you following along? Good.''

Colors when fighting mean something.

Your human soul is in color, and so are the other human souls. Every monster you meet is in black and white in fight mode. Monsters souls have no color, in fight mode, despite having obvious traits. Like, kindness and bravery. The only time you see monsters turn into color is when Flowey gained the human souls, and used them to turn into...that.

''Asriel's attacks in his fight may be in color but he, a monster, wasn't physically changed, so he remained colorless. ''

'''Now, what if everything in COLOR in battles is, HUMAN RELATED? '''


 * Asgro's weapon is in color because he was taught human magic attacks when he was on The Surface, before the war.


 * Undyne's spears are in color because she was taught by Asgro.


 * Papyrus's has Blue Attacks, because he was taught by Undyne.

See, the attacks were passed down from one another.

BACK TO MY SANS IS HUMAN THEORY

Sans blood is in color, meaning it's HUMAN blood.

Already talked about my color theory. So now your asking,"Well, why wasn't his whole body in color?!", hold your butt-cheeks I figured it out.

You never actually see Sans, you only see his clothes, monster clothes, the time you actually see him is through his eye and blood, why do you think they're in color?

Why you didn't see Sans soul when Asriel broke the barrier.

Its because Sans has no soul, don't worry, I'll explain later.

Why it says,"Lost Soul", for Sans if he doesn't have a soul.

I'll explain everything about Sans missing soul in the story.

'''Why you heard Sans turn to dust. '''

It's actually the same sound you get when you spare something, Sans probably spared you and ended the battle.

'''Why you didn't see Sans dead human body. '''

One of these two things happened:


 * Sans teleport-ed away. (Unlikely since he walked away instead of teleport-ed.)


 * Sans hid behind one of the pillars in Judgement Hall, like Toriel did in The Ruins. (Likely.)

Why your kill count doesn't increase when you kill Sans.

I believe the kill count only counts how many MONSTERS you've killed.

OR.

Maybe Sans didn't die. (very unlikely)

Why Sans was acting weird around Toriel 

It's because he has to act like he doesn't know her, and that they haven't met before (not talking about when he speaks with her through the door).

When Tori says,"Its nice to finally meet you!" Sans reply with,"Uh...yea, same.", he sounds rather awkward doesn't he?

This may not be solid proof but he IS rather nervous when he says that ONE statement, he doesn't sound like that NO WHERE ELSE, and no, get your Soriel shit out of here.

The Undertale Demo

Note: This was the demo and Toby COULD have CHANGED it.

Sans and Papyrus are shown at the Undertale Demo. Sans then drinks some kind of juice and it goes START through him.

This is the key, that juice went through him, that ketchup (that sans drank at Grillby's) should have done the same, it didn't. 

''This should be a HUGE blue stop sign for us. because It's obvious skeletons don't eat, yet Sans does, and maybe Toby did this on purpose.''

THIS IS THE END OF PART ONE.

GO GET A SNACK OR SOMETHING BEFORE YOU CONTINUE

DONE?

PART 2

Sans knows Chara.

There is only one reason Sans wanted to kill you, its because he knew you were Chara. A soulless being, someone who can Reset, and he wanted you gone.

And Sans hadn't lied to Toriel about protecting you, because the only thing Sans was protecting you from, was himself.

Sans knew Chara and this is proven in his fight.

"c'mon, buddy. do you remember me? please, if you're listening... let's forget all of this, ok? just lay down your weapon, and... well, my job will be a lot easier."

Sans knew Chara was listening, the same way Flowey knew you were Chara.

That means Sans used to know Chara.

"the memory of someone who once wanted to do the right thing."

Key word, MEMORY. Asriel is just a memory trapped in a flower, he isn't actually Asriel, same with Chara, they are just memories.

Sans knew Chara wanted to free everyone in the Underground.

"someone who, in another time, might have even been... a friend?"

Sans wasn't talking about the Pacifist Run, he was talking about the time Chara was still alive, when they spent time together.

And if you spare him...

"... you're sparing me? finally. buddy. pal. i know how hard it must be... to make that choice. to go back on everything you've worked up to. i want you to know...i won't let it go to waste. ... c'mere, pal."

"i know how hard it must be. . . to make that choice."

And another time.

"you must really wanna go home. hey, i know the feeling, buddo. though. . . maybe sometimes it's better to take whats given to you. down here, you already got food, drink, friends. . . is what you have to do. . . really worth it? 

Sans knows, he knows how it feels to make that choice, to go back on everything you've worked up to.

So, what was Chara working up to? How was that choice hard? Then, while i as playing Undertale, it hit me.

When does Asriel get his soul back? When he has the value of seven human souls. THAT was what Chara wanted, their SOUL back. They were working toward that with Frisk's help. Power. The power to become a GOD. The Power to bring someones soul back to life, that power, that's what Chara wanted. But then I saw that last sentence....

"everything you've worked up to. i want you to know... i won't let it go to waste."

That sentence...it's so odd. He wont let it go to waste? What did Sans even me-

oh.

Sans wanted his soul back, too.

(Sans also could automatically tell if you were human, he could also tell when you WEREN'T so don't give me that,"The reason he knew you were human was because he has seen humans before.", shit.)

SANS CAN ALREADY CONTROL TIME AND MAYBE EVEN THE RESETS 

Ah, Sans, a person in a deep state of depression because of the timelines resetting, oh, if only Sans could stop time, wait, he can already do that.

Proof? Its right here, at Grillbys, when you have your first talk with Sans.

(Grillby, is shown to be one of the only monsters to be constantly moving, and for a good reason.)

Sans takes us to Grilbys on his break so he can "talk" to us (more like scare the living shit out of us!), he then cast some dark shadow around us so no one can hear him talk, you look around in surprise and see, oh dear! Grilby isn't moving! His flames aren't moving at all!

Apparently, Sans had stopped time.

HOW TIME WORKS

After much research on the idea of stopping time and how light works along with it, I've probably figured it out.

THE MULTIVERSE 

Imagine two strings in front of you, the top one is your timeline. A bomb goes off. You go back to stop it, BUT, the thing is. You now have moved down to the second string, ANOTHER timeline, where you CAN change the past because your original self isn't on that timeline.


 * Stopping the bomb is successful here.


 * You can change the past here.


 * An infinite amount of universes exist.


 * Different timelines contain different events (Example. The Underswap universe and Underfell)


 * You may or may not meet another you.


 * Multiple possibilities exist.

''The Multiverse is what exists in Undertale. Proof? The Fun values and Sans quote,"Dont tell that to the other Sans."''

The Fun values are different timelines, and each time you RESET you jump to another one. And on each different timeline something, DIFFERENT happens. It may not be a significant change but its small. Its the time you got called to deliver a pizza, or the time someone called a wrong phone number, or the time someone wasn't exactly where they should have been. Its the time when Ga-

'''Now on to how light works along with time. '''

Faster then light travel is certainly possible, because light is an illusion.

Imagine you look at the moon through a telescope. You ARE NOT seeing the moon in its present position, because it took the light particles awhile to get to you, for you to actually see the moon.

Positions of planets and stars move on with or without you being able to see it.

EX. Your brain only see things a few microseconds AFTER the light hits your eyes. Take it as this, you live in the past. You SEE the past.

Here's another good example:

The sun blows up at this EXACT moment,* you wouldn't know.* No big explosion will happen for awhile, why? Sunlight takes exactly, 8 mins and 20 secs to reach earth, meaning you wouldn't even SEE the explosion to 8 mins and 20 secs AFTER it had actually happened, and the shockwave would take much longer to reach you. So that being said, the further you go away from earth, the longer it takes the light of suns super far away to reach you, meaning the further you go, the further you live in the past. This means that times moves on, and things happen, with or without us actually see them happening.

''The reason I'm explaining this is because Sans messes with light the first time you 'see' him. And hopefully, you have learned something.''

Sans had stopped time around his body when he first meet you, in the process he created a kind of,'black hole effect', light goes in, none comes out, causing you to only see a black figure walking your way.

How Sans can stop time, and what else he can do.

So far we know this much.


 * Sans can stop time.

Shown when he stops time at Grillby's.


 * Sans can slow down time.

Shown when Asgro couldn't dodge you (but could somehow dodge Undyne), yet Sans can move so fast in a split second. We see Sans still moving so he hadn't stopped time.


 * Sans can stop time in certain places.

Shown again at Grillby's.


 * Sans can change gravity.

No need to explain this.


 * Sans can use doors to go to other places, or possibly just one place, The Void.

Under Sans door is a strange light, yet when you walk inside, there is no light, and trust me, you aren't in Sans room. Try walking right or left immediately upon entering the room, you wont hit any walls and it would be impossible to get to the treadmill from there.

'So... how can San do this? How can he control time, I thought only people who could Reset, Save, and Load, could do that, or...maybe Sans can already do that?'

Maybe "Sans" has been tricking you all this time, oh, that's not like Sans, you say?

Well, we'll see about that.

'''END OF PART 2. STORY OF SANS, PAP, AND GASTER COMING NEXT. '''

GO GET ANOTHER SNACK, OR TAKE A BREAK.

"It's time you learned,'The Truth'."

Such a small sentence, such a big meaning.

Imagine such a twist it would be if Sans was actually a human! Or...mostly. Okay, okay, I'll explain Sans' story now.

Sans, a lone child fallen into the underground (around the same time Chara had), but unlike Chara, this child was much more FRAGILE, resulting in their death being certain the moment they had fallen down. So, they died upon impact.

''Somewhere else in the underground... ''

Gaster was in the True Lab, experimenting with DETERMINATION, along with the Timelines. One day, he was brought the dead corpse of a human, curious, Gaster injected the human's body with Determination, resulting in this human no longer having a soul but they were once again alive.

'Now, let me make this clear, Alyphys DID NOT, come up with the things involving Determination, she writes in one of her...uh...reports? "Using the BLUEPRINTS, I extracted the Determination.", she hadn't come up with it, she was using BLUEPRINTS, ones similar to the ones found in Sans workshop. Meaning someone else had come up with the idea, and the sentence is written in a way that hints that she had known about these blueprints.'

Sans, now back from the dead (but is still kinda dead inside), was introduced to the underground, Toriel, Asgro, Chara, Asriel, and many more monsters. He quickly bonded with Pap despite having no soul, and Sans grew to somewhat,'care', about him.

(Soulless beings are shown to have some form of love, like Flowey, who also cared about Chara, he says,"There's only ONE other person I care about anymore, but even then I couldn't TRULY care about them.". It's the same with Sans, why do you think Sans even LETS you kill Pap, he may hate you for it but he never stops you.)

Sans, Gaster and Pap did some kind of experiments on the timeline, I think personally, [b] to go back before the war between monsters and humans had ever happened, [/b] and stop it. Gaster may have figured out timelines but he could never have controlled them, this is where Sans comes in.

'NOTE: Gaster was still alive when the Alagamates were made, since the order of the Entry Number 17 comes after the alagmates. I think Gaster died soon after Entry 17.'

Now, think about it, there are probably MUCH MORE determined people then Flowey out there, or Chara, so why did only YOU have control? For the games sake? I think not.

My theory is only SOULESS creatures can mess with time, I mean think about it, they THEMSELVES are a mess in the timeline, they are supposed to be DEAD yet here are Asriel and Chara walking around breathing and living as if death never happened.

Here's an example of someone who has much more Determination then you:

Undyne the Undying. She refused laws and physics and made her own DETERMINATION.(maybe)

Undyne, something that can't have Determination unless injected with it, refused that very law and made her own. She even refused death. So why couldn't she take over the timeline? Because, she has a Soul.

Do you have more then one Souless creature? The one who rules is the one with the most powerful "soul".

Now, Sans, a Souless creature, hasn't actually died after he 'woke up'. Which makes him incapable of knowing he can Reset the timeline, resulting in Flowey easily taking control. Oh Flowey? Sorry I forgot to explain him.

After Asriel and Chara died, Alphys, who was working with Gaster and Sans (perhaps Pap as well?), was quite interested with Sans, a human brought back from the dead. Realizing she could bring back Chara and possibly Asriel, experimented first before actually telling Asgro, resulting in the whole,"I haven't told Asgro.", and,"I want it to be a surprise.". She injected a flower with Determination to see if it would come back alive, when she found it had simplify dissappered she gave up any hopes and forgot about the whole thing. Little did she know...

Flowey was enraged, why had HIS sibling had died? Why not that,"smiley trash-bag"!? So, Asriel, furious Sans had a family and not him, killed Gaster. But no, his rage didn't end there, Flowey took everyone's memories of Sans and Pap away, even Gaster.

"Imagine a world where everything is the same, except you don't exist."

"They just...showed up one day."

'"Don't forget." '

But thanks to having no soul, Sans wasn't really fazed upon the death of Gaster. This explains why Flowey is so furious that Sans is always smiling (or maybe he's furious because Sans can be happy and he can't, but we all know Sans isnt happy.)

That's basically the long or short of it.

EXPLAINING SOME MORE THINGS ON SANS


 * After the,'memory swipe', Pap and Sans couldn't count anymore (remember the whole counting thing) Sans of course had SOME trouble remembering EVERYTHING, or maybe Sans doesn't want to remember math...DAMNIT SANS.


 * Sans has no soul so it wouldn't appear when Asriel broke the barrier.


 * Sans loves Pap as much as he actually can, just like Flowey.


 * The reason in Asriel's fight Sans has a 'lost soul' is the same reason Asriel has a soul still. They still have one its just buried so deep inside it's impossible to see. And you aren't bringing his soul back in the fight, just his memories.


 * Remember how I said that Chara was aiming to get their soul back through seven human souls? Well remember the,'I won't let it go to waste.', part Sans had said. Well Sans meant it. He was going to keep your soul, go get the others, and become a God.

Doesn't sound like Sans? Well imagine this, if Sans can control time, and he has no soul, giving him the capability to control resets, wouldn't he want that power? The power to bring his family back, even to possibly go back before he had fallen down. Now think, if Sans can already control time, who says he can't already RESET.

Who says Sans isn't already like Flowey.

Bored...and waiting for something NEW.


 * The reason Sans hasn't died yet is because he doesn't age, and that's because Sans doesn't have a soul. His body is only a shell of itself, not quite alive, but still there. This explains why he is SO short.

This also explains why Asriel, the flower, hasn't died of old age either, and flowers don't even live long.

Okay, that's the end of my theory, I hope you liked it. Sorry it's so long. Please tell me if I messed up on anything. 