Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31371445-20170222233857/@comment-27136653-20180704142320

"I was simply offering an explanation as to how other traits can exist when everyone has determination."

Well you weren't being very clear about it. And technically they can still be right. If everyone has DT, why SHOULD DT be a trait? In what extra way would that make it any more special? Besides, it is implied the substance can be isolated and yet, the ball game implies that red is the sum of all the other traits or something. It all gets very complicated if we assume that DT is both a substance AND a soul trait. Hence my explanation, which is simpler per Occam's razor.

"True, and I WOULD, if it wasn't for the plot hole with Asgore that results from it."

Which I've explained earlier by stating that Asgore truly is that strong, as to frustrate humans with the power to reset into willingly ending their lives. The sole reason we lost is because this was the first time his own guilt truly caught up to him (so a coincidence, but still).

"He was talking to Chara, yes, but we were there to hear it-Else we wouldn't see it. That confirms that we were with Flowey, and Flowey said he was staying underground, meaning we went underground. It CAN be explained."

It can also be explained by saying that Flowey was talking purely to the player there. It wouldn't be the first one either. Recall the tutorial in the demo, which is made to be solely for the player, or just the bizzare ending of the hard mode in general. Or Flowey mentioning someone watching, which honestly makes more sense if that someone were YouTube viewers, rather than Chara. (I mean, how would he know about Chara in the first place, right?) And such "out-canon" explanation would honestly make more sense than any "in-canon" one, from what I've seen so far.

"Unless Glitchtale's assumption about there only being able to be one red SOUL at a time is actually correct."

Frisk is literally the player in Glitchtale. Someone unique, although not overpowered. It's a funny head canon, to stretch Frisk's uniqueness past the ability to defeat Asgore so much, and I wouldn't be far from believing it, if it wasn't for our little DT dilemma.

"The narrator has spoken in yellow before, though, haven't they?"

Show. Also, genocide is irrelevant here. In those instances, it's as if a completely different person is speaking (the narration becomes much more subjective and everything), and entire sentences become red, not just a single word. Finally, in the genocide route, this red text is not present at all, further proving that it's not the same as the red text at the end of that run. So if it's not that, then what is it? Just a mood swing? Wouldn't that be a bit of a coincidence? Why out of all things would Chara get irritated by a simple hole so much? It just makes no sense!

"Fun fact, this is why the Barrier appears as pure white. Not even light can cross the Barrier."

It could be black too. This just means it's generating its own light.

"True, that's what I've been trying to tell Tsskyx!"

You cannot indoctrinate me on backwards information. If a being with 7 souls is less powerful than someone, a being with 6 souls would be too. No, there is something else at play here. And besides, if Frisk TRULY had more DT, then there would be no reason for their soul to refuse. And it's not to make us persist throughout the battle to make Asriel remember it, since Flowey can sense reloads even without any human souls, so even if we reloaded the battle, he would know what had happened, kinda like Dormamu after Doctor Strange reversed time each time he died. For this reason, a refusal is absolutely unnecessary.

The sooner you realize you're defending nonsense here, the sooner we can move on to other topics.