Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20190131130037/@comment-32182236-20190211211003

Alright, I have a new thought about that.

That formula about it taking nearly monster to equal the power of one human SOUL.. Was that talking about the time the plaques were written.. Or the time when monsters were still on the Surface, and the humans "had nothing to fear"?

Either way, the human SOUL persists past death, and can be absorbed, like what happened with Kanashi.

"And I believe that Susie from Deltarune is also a type of hybrid. There's something definitely different about her. She intimidates all the other monsters, and has amazing strength, can still use magic when she wants to later in the game, and has a very un-monster-like sour attitude."

As I said, the idea that monster SOULs cannot contain darkness is simply not supported by evidence. There's THREE layers of fallacious reasoning that it takes to get there. It shouldn't even take ONE fallacy, we are not to use fallacies.

1:The book never states that monster SOULs can't contain darkness. Just that they're made of love, hope, and compassion.

2:Actually, it doesn't even say that. It says that's what people say they're made of, before saying the absolute nature of SOUL is unknown, since humans have proven they don't need these things to exist.

3:This book is in a librarby with a bunch of other unreliable books. How can we rely on this book, especially when we have Kanashi proving that monsters also don't need these things to exist?

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I'm sure I've given enough information about Kanashi for you to figure out what I think of this monster. But it's up to you to show that there's another way..

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"Actually Asgore did absorb the Six Human Souls. It only happens on a No Mercy route, but as Undyne the Undying is dying, she mentions how Alphys is moving the survivors somewhere safe, and that she's told Asgore to go nuclear and absorb the captured souls in advance since the End Of The World, aka Chara, is coming."

I don't believe Asgore listened. He still dies in one hit, even though Omega Flowey took far longer than that to kill, and Asriel was unkillable in his Hyperdeath form. He also seems very reluctant to right you, and wants to settle this for a cup of tea instead. He doesn't want to fight you, so it's quite likely he decided not to go through with the plan of absorbing the SOULs.

Chasriel had the ability to destroy an entire human village, but Asriel refused to do this. And that's with just ONE human SOUL. If Asgore had SIX, he should EASILY have been able to take us down. Chasriel took blow after blow, and only died after walking all the way back to the castle, presumably telling all the monsters what happened along the way, which is how they know what happened on the Surface. With ONE SOUL. Asgore dies instantly.

Asgore didn't absorb six SOULs.

"What did Steven do to make White Diamond off-color? He made her blush. She realizes she was acting like a child, banging her fists about her, The Ultimate Intellect, being wrong about Steven's nature. Steven says "I am a child, what's your excuse?" and then White Diamond blushes. A very human feeling, that proves that even she, 'the perfect gem', has some humanity in her, and isn't as perfect as she thought."

Didn't the diamond show that Steven WAS Pink after all, though?

"Perfection is overrated. It's much better just to be real, and be yourself. Which is the point Steven often tries to make."

That does seem to be a deconstruction of the "Mary Sue" archetype!

"I agree that Kanashi occured before the war, and was probably the spark that started the war. But i have to wonder at the cirumstances that caused it."

Kanashi absorbed a human SOUL. And I don't see how that can be for anything but darkness.

"The humans were the ones who suddenly attacked. The monsters and Kanashi did not attack them. They were reacting to realizing something that threatened them. Even though, as the glyph writed noted, the humans didn't seem to be in any danger beforehand."

They weren't. Since monsters were so weak. But Kanashi, probably some megalomaniac, stole a human SOUL, becoming a threat. If you're wondering why that wasn't considered the start of the war, take note that the Iraq War is considered to have started in 2003, despite the fact that the 9/11 attacks happened in 2001.

"So how exactly did they learn that a monster could absorb a human soul? That's my big question. What created Kanashi? And if there was no war before, perhaps Kanashi was created by love?"

The humans learned by the existence of Kanashi. The monsters? That, I'm not sure about.