Board Thread:Questions and Answers/@comment-27327020-20160404174206/@comment-13682699-20160607030448

Chico12368 wrote: Several things wrong with your reasons:

1. Just because he isn't a warrior doesnt mean he's a good fighter,

2. Karma isnt what makes his power. It's just an added troll to his power.

3. Your reason are just saying that Sans isn't a fighter. FIghting Asgore and Undyne will in fact be a lot easier because they can't dodge his attacks. It would take longer but he would still kill them. Stats mean jackshit if you can dodge literally every attack. The only reason why Chara even touched Sans is because they broke the game. Sans even dodges in his sleep. It doenst matter that he has one defense or one attack because he knows a way to work around it. None of your reason actually aplly to San's power. If anything Sans should be above asgore and TOriel and probably same level as undyne the undying You seem to miss the entire point that I was trying to make.

1) A true warrior would = being a good fighter. That's just how it is. Sans isn't an actual warrior. At most he is a sentry, which means that he looks out for humans and guards the area. Its something that will likely require some fighting ability, but not warrior level, just enough to temporarily subdue or hold a position. I never said he couldn't fight. ANYONE can fight if they wanted to, its just that in order to be a good fighter, they have to train, something that Sans is simply too lazy for. He uses his smarts and dodging ability to make up for it, however, but it only lasts for so long because he will get tired and eventually stop to sleep instead of pressing onward. Overall he is very capable and has a lot of potential, but because he is lazy, he squanders it.

2) You took one sentence out of my whole paragraph here and made that your counter statement for this reason which was REALLY stupid. KR isn't his WHOLE power, it just makes him more deadly against truly evil opponents. In every case, you fight him because you were being evil, hence his ability was at max power through KR. If Sans were to fight you as seriously if you were a good person, it would almost be a completely different battle.

3) If you ACTUALLY read the whole thing and took everything into context, you would see that my reasons aren't just that he isn't a fighter, though it does make up a good portion of it. Notice that what the people above him have in common? They all have DETERMINATION of some sort within them. What does this mean? that means that out of all other monsters in the ground, Sans is the strongest without being associated with possessing determination of any sort. Its quite a notable feat for someone as lazy as he is with such low stats, which is why I say he actually has a lot of potential like his brother to be a strong fighter.

Overall he was simply stalling you since he knows and openly admits that he cant truly win against you. That is the EXACT job of a sentry. To guard a certain person/area (in this case Asgore). He even warns you not to go any further, but you did anyways so he has to do his job now, to keep you from passing through. He isn't expected to win because he isn't trained for that purpose and as mentioned before he doesn't expect to win either; he's just trying to keep you from destroying the world because Asgore likely wouldn't recognize how much of a threat you were until it was too late instead of taking the souls like he probably should have. In most cases a sentry will fight until reinforcements arrive (in this case its expected to be Asgore using the six human souls), but Sans will not have that luxury, so once he goes down, that's it. There is no hope for the world anymore.

Now for your points with Undyne and Asgore. Its not that they cant dodge its that they REFUSE to dodge for their own reasons. Undyne is simply to straightforward and headstrong to think about "avoiding" any sort of attack, its just part of her personality just like Sans is too lazy to train or do anything worthwhile. Asgore on the other hand refuses to dodge because he wants the fight against him to be FAIR. Undyne mentions that despite her fighting him, she could never land a single blow on him with the exception of ONE time. For someone who is as ferocious as Undyne is in battle, it takes quite a bit of skill to simply dodge any of her attacks let alone ALL of them. Asgore feels massive amounts of guilt for his actions against the other human children so his lack of dodging is simply one of the few ways he restricts himself to make sure that you also have a chance to defeat him.

Now that that's out of the way, I would like to see actual explanations for your reasons instead of just saying that Sans is OP just by dodging, because frankly that is your one and only argument thus far, which I have already thoroughly explained against. To be honest the only person who I might even possibly consider switching Sans with is Toriel and that's only because she isn't a fighter either and her attacks are a bit more straightforward.

Here's a quick tl;dr just in case you simply refuse to read like you did in my last post:

1)Sans isn't a warrior. He has potential but he's too lazy. He just knows how to fight smart against you.

2) KR simply makes him stronger against truly evil people. Because you were evil when you fought him, it made him that much more powerful against you specifically.

3)Its not SOLELY just cause he isn't a fighter that he's lower on the list. There's multiple reasons that you simply refused to read. One of which is his main downfall, his laziness. He's too lazy to do anything, so his great potential is squandered and he easily tires like any other non-warrior fighter. The other is that he isn't meant to defeat you, just stall you for as long as he can so that you never progress beyond that point and simply give up in frustration. Its part of his job description as a sentry.

Also Undyne and Asgore know about dodging, Undyne is just too hotheaded to do so and Asgore is just restricting his own power to make it a fair fight.