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Sorry but if you were "helping" Chara in genocide run

Chara was helping you..

, why wouldn't they take over Frisk to do it by themsleves?

Because they COULDN'T.

Chara can't take over until AFTER you give them your soul. That's why they ask for your soul in the first place. If they could take over without it, they'd have no use for it.

This os especialy revelant after your first genocide run because Chara already has your soul. So if they want to kill everyone (for literally no reason by the way) why don't they take over since the start of the post genocide runs while they already have our soul?

Perhaps Chara thinks we're just better at doing this than they are. But recall that when Chara does take over, Frisk's body becomes like them. When Chara takes over, we see them, not Frisk.

What if this applied to the monsters as well, rather than just a tool to tell us Chara took over? Meaning that if Chara took over prior to the barrier breaking, they'd be recognized as Chara, causing things to go off the rails?

How could they menage to do this since LV only affects monsters because they are made of magic?

I mean, Chara literally has the ability to destroy the entire Underground, at least, reducing it to a physical wasteland. With ONE SLASH. For whatever reason, Chara has far more physical power than your typical human.

So I wouldn't compare them to your normal human. They have became a demon, after all.

Likely the counterpart to the God of Hyperdeath.

How Chara managed to achieve this power? I have no idea. But we need some explanation for how Chara erased the world, so even your take has to explain how they erased the world.

Why does they let the player/ Frisk to do a true reset and ruin all of their efforts?

Resets are based on the one with the most determination. And as Flowey proved, determination can exist without a human SOUL. Given that we still have control over resets after selling our SOUL, it's likely that most of our determination lies outside of our SOUL.

...Perhaps that makes DT fluctuations make more sense. (Here's an answer to why this is the case from an evolutionary perspective:DT predated the SOUL, being the very essence of life itself, so it was first within the body, to keep it alive. That was the main priority, so DT was assigned there. When the SOUL came around, it only got a small amount for this reason-No practical reason to shove 99% of it into the SOUL. SOULs can't reproduce, their lifespan is worthless to evolution, unless the body gets to live too.)

Why Flowey tells you that everything is fine on the surface in souless pacifist end?

That was actually a test I was attempting to have happen. I really wasn't sure what happened AFTER a Soulless Pacifist, just the taints that happen.

So Flowey does come, and everything is normal?

Strange. Rather strange indeed.

Then again, all we see is Chara LAUGHING, and Chara replacing Frisk. They probably didn't start actually executing their plan yet. So of course everything would be fine. Chara didn't start yet. If Chara did destroy everything, Flowey wouldn't be there.

Why Undyne, Mettaton etc...assume that Frisk's actions in genocide run would not only destroy the monsterkind but humans aswell? Why the music when Undyne revives in genocide run is "but the earth refused to die" if Chara will only destroy the underground?

Jacky720 is on-point here. They know how evil Frisk has become, and they have no reason to suspect that Frisk will stop with the monsters.

In fact, my answers don't deviate from Jacky's at all until here:

And i already explained that Chara is much more helpful in pacifist/neutral runs than in genocide run. They point out weaknesses

Weaknesses are only useful if you want to kill the monster.

give advice how spare monsters

That's something we're still discussing about. ..Though I'm not sure if it was with you. I'm definitely having that discussion in the comments of the Chara page, though...

provide the save option as it appears when Chara figure out what to do "But maybe with what little power you have..you can save something else..".

Just because they tell us we have it doesn't mean they literally spawned it.

Though really, Chara doesn't want Asriel to just reset everything. That won't help with the plan. They're a pragmatist. (I think I made the point in an Abridged Version of Undertale in the comment section of Chara a while back..)

Trigger Asriel's memories of them.

Considering that the other memories of Chara happened when Frisk went unconscious, for no real reason, it's more likely that Frisk just GETS them from Chara, rather than Chara directly, voluntarily giving them to Frisk.

For Chara to be alive and with Frisk, their essence must be attached to Frisk. So this could have created a link between the two. Chara seems to know what Frisk is thinking at times, so perhaps Frisk also knows what Chara is thinking at times. (Now to find the actual case of Chara narrating something about Frisk's thoughts..)