Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31981697-20170722123329/@comment-32182236-20170807183635

2.2)Little things like this is how we made discoveries in this game to begin with. It's how we learned Chara was the narrator, how we lesrned Asriel became Flowey. We have a mysterious event with only one in-universe logical explaination-There are no humans in the town. Why? They all left.

3)Enemy is singular-It could either be one monster, or an entire set of monsters, that all act as one. If it was one monster, it would be Flowey, who was eradicated last. But Chara eradicated Flowey by themself! What about Sans? He was protecting the monsters Chara supposedly loved, why would he be an "enemy"?

3.1)...No matter what route you do.

3.3)The only way for them to share LOVE would be to also share EXP. But this doesn't happen, we gain nothing from Chara killing Asgore. Same thing for Flowey too, and since he's somehow LV9999, he should be worth enough EXP for us to LV up.

3.5)They sided with you, partner. Not humans in general. They hate both the rest of humans and monsters.

3.6+3.7)They're correcting themselves the first time, since we never cried. The second time, Frisk failed their attempt to laugh.

3.7.1)Flowey didn't know this narrator was Chara, just that they were a narrator. Flowey was talking about the narrator, without knowing who they were.

4)The very act of blocking Frisk's vision is what activated the HUD, because magical moves at Frisk activate the HUD. He does the exact same thing in his fight, and the music stops.

4.1)The teleportation is too fast for Sans to have walked into a portal, it's near instantaneous.

Also, that call was after Undyne discovered the first one in Hotland. Sans says in Waterfall:"Haven't you seen a guy with two jobs before? Fortunaltely, two jobs means twice as many legally-required breaks." Undyne discovers the third station during the Undyne fight, and is probably asking Sans how it even got there!!

4.2+4.3)With the power of seven SOULS, he has become god-like, and wants to purge the timeline, which would kill everyone-It's hyperdeath! And this is when he's still evil, before we SAVED him.

As for the backstory thing, I have a third option-You CHOOSE Frisk's backstory-That too comes from your roleplay. When you craft a character in a tabletop RPG, sometimes you give them a backstory:That's what we're doing with Frisk. And the backstory is canon within that universe as well.

4.6+4.7)Yes, she wanted a fair fight. It's not really fair if you don't know how to use the green SOUL mode now, is it? Here, the kindness is the shield, to care for it.

4.8+4.9)The game the dog programmed was never explictily mentioned to be called "Undertale". It's probably something like the EarthBound Halloween Hack.

4.10)It's 2025 in HUMAN dates. "201X" in the monster calendar could have happened during the fall of the Roman Empire! (When were the first lockets made?)

MONSTERS had video tape cameras. They are superior to humans in their technology. In monster dates, yes, the game takes place at least in 211X, I'm going with around 351X, with the war happening around 151X.

4.11)If anything, that's proof enough for the HUD to exist, and could have been a BIG part on how Sans discovered it-He noticed that not a single monster ever dodged Frisk, and how it was ALWAYS turn by turn. And do note that it becomes even MORE absurd when we try to explain why Frisk DIDN'T just attack Sans during his special attack. If the HUD's not canon, why can't we attack Sans on his own turn? The concept of fights NOT happening within the HUD make this completely absurd-I'm explaining it by saying Frisk HAS to use the HUD to fight-They're controlling their SOUL now, not their physical body.

4.13)But what is it, if it isn't just a part of the HUD?

4.14)..You found it! I guess we can close this point now.

5)You're actually retroactively building up the story of how Frisk got here. And while retroactively changing the past is indeed strange, this is exactly what we're doing with Chara's name- The entire universe and backstories change JUST to account for that. (That's why I said this was Toby railroading us) Yes, they got a name. We decide what happened. Just like when you make a character in a tabletop RPG with a backstory. They didn't appear out of thin air according to canon, as the backstory technically happened in that universe. Same thing with Frisk.

5.1)It also happens during Sans' battle. When it happens in Sans' battle, the music stops as well. THAT might help give us more info. And also, if Frisk goes blind, our vision of the game actually would go blind too as an effect, otherwise the immersion breaks, as we're apparently moving a blind character just as well as a non-blind character-It would change nothing mechanically. It's kind of like the dark rooms, Frisk can't see, so neither can we. And really, we, as the player, don't exist as our own entity at all. Frisk takes that role. But, Sans COULD have taken out Frisk's possible 3rd-person vision..

6)If that were the case, Asriel wouldn't even need to fight Frisk to stop them from getting their happy ending! How could Asriel be "giving" us our happy ending if we defeat him? And why does he assume we're going to stray from our pacifistic ways and murder someone innocent (Asgore) just to leave?