Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-35615238-20190121141916/@comment-26006155-20190305022708

TheHumanAmbassador wrote:

Basically, don't use yet-to-be-revealed evidence to support your hypotheses, and trying to find out what later arcs (ones that haven't been released yet) are about isn't exactly solving the mysteries of the past, it's just spoiling the later arcs.

As for the Pink Diamond twist, you made it look crazier than it really was. Rose being Pink is not the same as Rose EATING Pink. Pink became Rose (possible because rose quartz and pink diamonds are cut the same way), and it's as simple as that. Perhaps if you start with the smaller sub-theories, and build up to your conclusion, it will work better?

But yes, I suppose that is true-If everything gets definitively solved, the theorizing community will basically die out. There's no reason to look further if the puzzle has already been solved. We'll just be left with speculation of what happens in the future, more Undertale AUs being made.. And that's about it. As I said, my status as a theorist has already been called into question.

How would I even have access to "yet-to-be-revealed" evidence? All my theories involve evidence that has ALREADY BEEN REVEALED. I simply see meaning where others just shake their heads.

Let's hit Pink Diamond head on. My theory was that before she was shattered, Pink gave her powers to Rose Quartz, who then had Steven with Greg. So Steven is a fusion of three beings, Pink Diamond, Rose Quartz, and Greg. Three beings who are one being.

The main theory commumity now believes that Rose Quartz simple was an alias for Pink Diamond. But I'm sticking to my original theory  though, because 1) It makes a far better story 2) Because there's plenty of evidence that Pink and Rose were actually seperate people.

Take the flashback in Gemcation. Garnet tells about how she and all the other Crystal Gems fought Titan Pink, a  version of Pink Diamond every bit as large as the others, sporting a four-sided gemstone in her navel like a traditional Diamond.

Pink Diamond is naturally a dwarf in Diamond terms. She's small. And her five-sized Diamond cannot be rotated into any form that shows only four sides. And while forms can change over time, and shapeshift, the material gem at the core of a gem NEVER CHANGES SHAPE. And if it does, such as when a gem gets cracked?.. the form immediately changes, often warping horribly like what happened to Amethyst.

So my theory was that White Diamond tried to force Pink to become "a real Diamond", by poofing her and force-fusing lesser gems onto her material core until she LOOKED like a Real Diamond. Which would explain why Titan Pink so so terrifying looking and twisted, a sharp departure from the circle-shoed kind elf Pink original was.

For these flashbacks, which were witnessed by several other Crystal Gems including Pearl, to be real, someone had to warp Pink Diamond's gem in the past. One reason why she would want to be shattered.. just like the horrible gem shard fusion experiments that horrified Garnet so much, she's now a gem-level fusion, and no longer herself at all, doomed to a life of tormented horror.

How can you claim that Pink Diamond is Rose and "it's as simple as that", after seeing Change Your Mind?

When Steven's Gem is removed, splitting him into Human Steven and Light Steven, he goes through three forms before forming: Pink Diamond, Rose Quartz, and then Steven. And even after his gem is removed, it's still Light Steven inside that gem, not simply Pink possessing a human.

There are multiple times where Steven goes through three forms, remembering himself as PInk, then Rose, then himself. Three beings. Three beings that are one being.

And then the kicker from the last episode. When White Diamond asks Light Steven where Pink is, he says: "She's Gone". Then screams it a second time "She's.. GONE!!!" wrecking White's throne room with a DBZ sonic blast.

Pink Diamond WAS shattered. She's no longer there. Her energy is in Steven (along with the energy of several other gems by Steven's strange powers), but the gem White pulled out of Steven's belly wasn't Pink Diamond's gem.

Gem forms are largely determined by their gem cut. And in RL gemology, something SU references very frequently, rose quartz gems are cut in EXACTLY the same manner as pink diamond gems. It's very difficult to tell them apart.

The personality of Shapeshifted Pink in A Single Pale Rose is childish and immature, not at all like the wise matriarch that Rose has been like through the series. And as Rebecca herself pointed out in an interview, gems always call their superiors "My ...." yet in a flashback Rose once called Pearl "My Pearl", which makes Zero Sense because Pearls are widely considered slaves in gem society, of the lowest rank. A Diamond looking up to a pearl would be unheard of.. but here, Rose Quartz is doing it.

Pink created all the rose quartz gems, and we've yet to see what a regular rose quartz soldier looks like. Pink could have very easily cut one particular rose quartz gem that looked exactly like her in her rotated form. And I believe that's exactly what happened.

Pink Diamond is dead. The entity known as Steven has her energy as part of himself. Yellow Diamond mentioned in the last episode that Diamonds CAN be shattered, you can simply smash them with enough force. They're not invincible, just very powerful.

From the liberal bent of the show, having Pink being horribly victimized by forced-fusion makes perfect sense. The show is a beautiful satire about what's messed up with Modern Christianity. White Diamond basically put Pink through the gem equivalent of Gay Conversion Therapy, trying to smash and warp her real form into something "acceptable" by White's standards, even if it meant utterly destroying everything Pink actually was. Pink, the aspect of love and compassion, was horribly victimized by her Diamond sisters, which is why she ran away, and eventually rebelled.

This theory, along with all of my other ones, utilizes firm evidence that has ALREADY BEEN REVEALED.

I do build theories using the conclusions of other theories, and I realize this is shakey. But if the story makes more sense by taking this direction, I go with it. And it's served me well.