Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20181123023529/@comment-32182236-20181130154556

BlackfootFerret wrote: I have already provided exhaustive proof that Chara's soul remained in Asriel's dust, and carried on in Flowey.

It's the very soul we save in the True Pacifist Ending.

Our own soul. No, you didn't. The game said that there's one last person to be saved, and you assumed it was talking about Chara, when in fact the evidence proves it must be referring to Asriel. There is ONE person to be saved. ONE. And who do you end up saving in the end? Who do you call out to? Who gets reformed and changed, so that Asriel may stop his rampage? Asriel. You saved Asriel. And since precisely ONE person was saved, that means if Asriel was saved, nobody else was. Thus, Chara was not saved. And from that, the whole rest of your proof, which relied on the argument that this was referring to Chara, completely falls flat. The rest of the proof seems well designed, but no matter how well it is, if the foundation is inheritely flawed, everything built atop it crumbles. And that's exactly the problem. Your foundation, what everything else is relying on, is not rock-solid. It's sand. Make sure your foundation is a solid one first, THEN build upon it.

The evidence only suggests that IF you saved Chara, Asriel has Chara's SOUL. That's not evidence that Asriel has Chara's SOUL, especially since evidence suggests that you DIDN'T save Chara. That's why I said there was no evidence.

And now you say it's the player's SOUL? Which is it?

There's proof Chara is not the player:Chara speaks directly TO the player, as a separate entity:Therefore, the player cannot be Chara. Frisk is a good candidate though, and is my take on who the player is, for the simple reason that Chara asks for Frisk's SOUL (That's how they possess Frisk), as a response to thinking they're above consequences, meaning Frisk is apoarently responsible for destroyibg the world, yet the player is the one making the choice, and getting jumpscared by Chara for refusing, essentially linking the two together into one.

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Oh, and your alternative proof regarding compassion was something was something I tackled on in my most recent post, though you haven't seemed to have analyzed that part yet. You lack the FEELING of compassion, yet you can still technically ACT compassionate. And this is exactly what happened with Flowey at the start, which means this has already been clearly shown to be a real possible state. He didn't FEEL love, yet he was still loving and caring.

And with that, back to Flowsriel.

When Asriel released all of his SOULs, his powers didn't go away immediately. He was able to retain his form until it eventually faded out. But why? Well, to answer that, we have to talk about remnant and radiation. *symbol for fallout/radiation appears*

No, not THAT kind of radiation. *insert diagram of a lightbulb, and photons radiating outwards*

That's better.

You see, when the SOULs were released, the magical energy from the SOULs that Asriel had absorbed didn't just vanish. It stayed within him. However, having the SOULs no longer meant he lacked the SOURCE of that energy, so his magic and power was limited.

And yes, such a "source of energy" exists. That's how the Barrier could have been broken without the monster SOULs forever being damaged, or how the seven Mages were able to make te Barrier with the full power of their SOULs, without them all dying from it. They have a limited amount of energy, but it replenishes over time.

However, without these SOULs, that replenishment is gone. Once Asriel's SOUL magic was all gone, he'd return into a flower. Think of it like if your laptop lost the ability to charge, yet still had the battery life it gained from charging before. It has that much life and that's it. So, you might go saying:"Well, as long as Asriel doesn't try using his Hyper Goner attack and his other OP moves too many times, he'll stay that way forever!"

Well, no. You see, the second law of thermodynamics states that entropy will always increase over time. The magic will radiate outwards, even if Asriel isn't using any of his magic. The rate of energy exchange is never 100% effecient, some of it will inevitably be lost as radiation. Even black holes are bound by this rule (Hawking radiation). No matter what happens, Asriel WILL inevitably turn back into Flowey. And his little game in the credits definetley sped that process up by a LOT.

And that's exactly what we see happen when Flowey pops up to give his warning.