Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31371445-20170222233857/@comment-31536324-20180720170817

"If it was artificially constructed, then that may imply a simulation. My entire point."

There in lies the flaw with your argument: IF. A possibility never brought up in or by the game at any point whatsoever, which is MY point here.

"And your answer that they no longer question it doesn't make much sense."

How?

"If the HUD is there only for human-monster encounters, then there is no way the monsters would have enough time and enough observation chances to properly determine what's going on."

They clearly know and understand the basics, not the finer intricacies that Sans does. I'm going off them experiencing it during their time on the surface, before the war, and everything I've been saying that'sbeen done happening then.

"Sans maybe, but the rest would be left confused. As I said, if they knew what's up, they would recognize you as a human, but instead, they all keep acting the same, and there's no way they would be trying to hide that."

That doesn't mean they're mind controlled or obvious to the fact that you're human. That just means they know the obvious and don't feel any need to state it.

"Human encounters are incredibly rare for them, so no pretending mercy, no captain obvious, none of that."

Why?

"At least one monster would have reacted, probabilistically speaking. But none did, which implies they don't know what the HUD is (if they did, they would also know you're a human), but they didn't question that either."

How does one correlate to the other? I fail to see the connection. Also, one DID react, Monster Kid.

"So, as I concluded, they are being mind controlled. That is my summary. I am awaiting yours now."

During their time with the humans on the surface, the Monsters noticed certain oddities regarding FIGHTs with Humans. Through the work of their most brilliant scientific minds, they uncovered and got answers to these oddities (these oddities being the HUD and its capabilities, bar S/L/R since that was uncovered by Sans, who either came long after the war or discovered it long after the war). During their time in the Underground, they managed to streamline and master their own usage of the the FIGHTs rules and laws, using their newfound skill against any humans that fell once Asgore declared war. The end, and the events of the game follows.

"Life arose naturally from a simple principle of sustained self-preservation. The near-perfect perpetum mobile, you could say. Now, show me how is the HUD any similar to life. Did it evolve? How? Why? If we don't have an answer to those questions, the only alternative explanation is creationism, that is, that the HUD was created by a divine being. And that goes to imply a simulation. Because if the HUD was created, then what else, amirite?"

1: So, by your logic, our world is nothing but a simulation.

2: If the possibility is never an option on the table through any means at all, then it's not an option period.

3: Intelligent Design =/= Simulation.

"Malice, here's the full quote. Do with it as you will.

"our reports showed a massive anomaly in the timespace continuum. timelines jumping left and right, stopping and starting... until suddenly, everything ends. heh heh heh... that's your fault isn't it? you can't understand how this feels. knowing that one day, without any warning... it's all going to be reset."

Thank you.

1. This DOES help support your claim about Flowey being the Anomaly discovered.

2. Though it IS clear that Sans uncovered that You/Frisk are the new cause of the Anomaly by the time of Genocide. So both our claims are true here.

3. Maybe it's just the way I'm reading it, but doesn't this imply that the S/L/R ability existing is Gaster's fault? Maybe it's just me, but is seems like Sans is blaming two people here to me.

Flowey for obvious reasons, and Gaster for probably causing the Anomaly in the first place. Remember, Gaster was spread across time and space, so S/L/R existing because of him wouldn't be that far fetched. The Monsters never do or say anything that implies that you're doing anything that much differently than the other six fallen humans; so it's not a stretch to say that they had the HUD in addition to S/L/R. Heck, we can't even say that all six even HAD S/L/R, since Toriel never really gives a specific number of times her deja-vu with the other kids happened. It definitely happened with more than one, so did it happen with only two? Three? Four? Or five kids?