Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26905610-20160225224529/@comment-26905610-20160226123257

Aicilespear wrote: Well, I guess I'm here to probably prove otherwise. Yes, I don't see him as a cute teddy bear kind of character, but no, I see him as a rather tragic character, and believe me when he had almost zero redemption.

I see, so you don't blame him all that much, so to speak. That's cool, I don't feel the need to prove or be proven right or wrong, you can see my answer as just making my point of view more clear in case you think it does not make much sense.

Aicilespear wrote: First, Asgore vs. Chara. I believe when Asgore said "What kind of monster are you?" he definitely don't consider the protagonist as Chara - he knows Chara is long gone, but more importantly, he don't consider Chara as a monster, because Chara is his adopted child, who he loves to no end.

I never thought that any character in the game besides Flowey knew or recognized the protagonist as Chara. However I do believe he knows the protagonist is human and is playing dumb, since he knows what humans looks like.

Aicilespear wrote: Second, he doesn't really know that time resets when he kills you. Now, before you say that he and mostly others did, since he said "Ready?" instead of long descriptive lines about the barrier, I want to reconfirm one fact that not all people is aware of the shirt in timeline, except for Sans, Flowey and Chara. All others only remember a slight whiff of memory in the previous timeline, and perhaps Mettaton and Asgore both have lingering memories of having explained things, in which they prompt to skip the long talk.

Actually, the protagonist himself tells him, and he is not surprised. After he kills you the first time, the following batlles with him have the option of telling him how many times he have killed you, and he acknowledges it. But even if this were not the case, I would not be so sure of his ignorance about this, Gaster was the royal scientist after all, and it's hard to say how much Alphys know about the subject too since apparently she knows Sans somehow. There's no reason to think that his own scientists would keep the king in the dark about something like this.

Aicilespear wrote: Third, when you say that Asgore don't give up on violence, it's because he couldn't. Especially when he is a king. Catch to me on this: in the underground, and given such plans by Asgore, everyone is eager for the king to get enough human souls to break the barrier. And this is where it dreads Asgore as soon as he sees a human:

Guys... I understand the fact that he sees himself totally without alternative but killing the protagonist. The problem is that the protagonist informs Asgore that killing him does not make the plan successful. Any creature in his situation with a bit of integrity and kindness would stop to think for a second if there really was no other way, since what he thought was the only choice turned out a dead end.

Look, the protagonist literally tells him: "Don't fight with me, let's talk! You already have killed me more times than I can count, your plan of killing me for my soul WILL ALWAYS FAIL EVEN IF YOU WIN!"

Asgore's answer to this? "*sigh*... Yeah, I know... -_-" *Kills you again*