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Damakos Gaming wrote: gonna add my two cents to this and am sorry if this has already been posted

But remember how when you name the fallen child your actually naming chara?

when you betray toriel and kill everything in the ruins flowey shows up in the room and says "Your just like (insert charas name). To those people that say that flowey is lying about it, why would he?

i do agree though the player is mostly at fault for the worlds end but chara doesnt get brought up in the pacifist run except for flowey saying "Your not really (inserts charas name) are you?" No, you remembered wrong. Flowey said, "In fact, you're Chara, right?" because Chara's soul shattered. All that remained was their spirit only able to attach to Frisk's determination. Without a soul, Flowey felt no love, and it drove him to killing. Frisk did the exact same thing as Flowey, making them seem more and more like Chara, since they wouldn't have a soul. In the end of the pacifist route, Asriel acknowledges that Chara is really dead and aren't coming back (not exactly true) and asks what their real name is. Also, if you kill Asgore, Flowey will say, "So you finally get it. In this world, IT'S KILL OR BE KILLED." Why would Flowey say "So you finally get it..." if Chara was always sociopathic/psychopath, Flowey wouldn't say that. Also, Asgore and Toriel are not naive idiots like people portray them. Toby Fox made it so you can't kill the Froggit in the beggining of the Ruins in an update, so Toriel just thought you would weaken them and leave. If you suprise kill Toriel, she says that she was really protecting the other monsters rather than you. If Toriel were as naive as people say, she would've said something like "I believe in you... My child..." Also, Asgore was able to kill 6 innocent children with heavy remorse, and he could easily kill a psychopathic murderous child. People think that because everything in Toriels house is made to be safe means Chara was evil and wanted to kill, but Chara didn't even live in Home. There was only two beds in New Home. Also, monsters felt safe going to New Home even with Chara because Chara knows Froggit's language.