Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20181123023529/@comment-26006155-20181216235053

(contined)

(It's a little messy since I did some back-tracking about the Fountain after our arguments here, I need to streamline that section for next draft)

(But everything is about to reach a head)

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The memorial statue was to someone the monsters felt was important.. But not so important that they minded it being replaced. No member of the royal family would get such disrespect. And Gaster did design the Core a long time before Alphys took his place, with resonates with Asgore’s 201X calendar being “old”. Since Chara arrived in Winter 2019, and Chara and Asriel’s “Buttercup Adventure” happened when Spring Flowers were blooming back at her human village, the earliest time Chara and Asriel could have died together was Spring 2020. So both their time of passing, and their status in the royal family, would disqualify the 201X memorial fountain being made for either of them.

And while the Waterfall statue may have been a tribute to The Angle of the Deltarune Prophecy, it’s clear from the giant, perfect, idealized horns that the artist didn’t know what Asriel would actually look like. Undyne said this statue had been down there for ever, and its origin had been lost to time. It certainly wasn’t one removed from the MMT fountain a week earlier.

So Asgore was the original immortal King of the monsters when the Barrier was cast. And Asriel and Chara both died after the MTT memorial fountain was made. This means this fountain was a tribute to an important non-family member who passed in 201X. And the only member of the royal circles that we have a record of dying would be the Royal Scientist and Core Designer, Wingding Gaster.

So the only way Gaster would be able to conduction Determination Research at this time, was if there was at least one human that he knew about secret hiding in the monster population, if not more.

(the last few paragraphs are messy, clean and reorganize next draft)

I’ve covered all my reasons why I believe Sans must be a human, and a future version of Frisk. So Sans could have served as Gaster’s source of determination. And I’ve covered some of the reasons why I also believe that Gaster was a human, and why his ghost with its human SOUL was the only one capable of being The Monster Soul Thief causing monsters to Fall Down.

But this wasn’t a case of two humans randomly making their own way into the Underground. Sans and Gaster arrived together, and knew each other. In fact.. They were once the best of friends.

And the key to understanding this, as well as what tore them apart, is the night of Gaster’s Darkest Experiment.

Only three characters in Undertale have names taken after text fonts, and literally talk in that font. Papyrus talks in Papyrus. Sans talks in Comic Sans. And WD Gaster talks in Wingdings, as his creepy hands can be translated directly to English. And when Gaster makes his famous ethereal Lab Entry 17, announcing his Darkest Experiment, the last thing he does is turn to two other people in the room and ask “What do you two think?”

Two other people were in the room with him that night. Sans, and Papyrus. Forming the three member team I like to call The Font Brigade.

And after this fateful meeting, we find Sans and Papyrus appearing in Snowdin together, both packing Gaster Blasters, technology with WD’s signature on them. Papyrus would have also had a Gaster Blaster himself, if the Annoying Dog hadn’t stolen his Special Attack, as hinted in an update to the game.

Now, Papyrus is a real monster who was borned in The Underground, likely in 1995 if his online persona CoolSkeleton95 indicates his birth year. So Papyrus did not come from The Other World like Gaster did.

Sans, however, DID come from The Other World. He mentions he traveled with company to investigate a disturbance in the timestream where timelines kept starting and stopping, leading up to The End of Everything. And he mentions in two seperate phrases how he gave up on “trying to go back”, and how reaching the surface doesn’t appeal to him anymore either.

For Sans, reaching the surface isn’t enough. He once longed to return to his own world, something he now believes to be impossible. Impossible.. Because he and Gaster both arrived together, probably in the broken machine behind Sans’ house, from the same Other World, picking up Papyrus as a third party member after they arrived. A machine likely invented by Gaster, and now unfixable since his genius is no longer with the group.

Tracking the precise movements of Time Travelers through time, space, and dimension is always a problematic thing. And even with the Silver Key Machine broken, the time/space portal in the Core is still functioning, and was the very thing that Gaster fell into when he scattered across time and space. But we do know that the timeline Frisk finds himself in was not the original timeline of the game.

There are actually two Entry 17’s in Undertale. Alphys wrote a second one, mentioning how she’d observed Determination causing the Fallen Down monsters to melt together, sticking together to form The Amalgamates, and entry that must occur in Frisk’s own time, and it fits neatly in between Entry 16’s “no no NO NO NO NO”, and Entry 18’s “The Flower’s Gone.”

But Alphy’s Lab Entry 17 can only be found hidden in the code of Undertale itself, and is never encountered in-game. In the same fashion, you can only unlock Gaster’s Entry 17 by altering the code of the game so it appears at the beginning. These two entries cannot coexist in Frisk’s timeline, because they are both from two different timelines, with Gaster’s being an echo of a world that once was.

But from both Entry 17’s we can gather that in the original timeline, Gaster didn’t die and get a fountain made in his honor, he was still alive at the very same point in time where Alphys made her Entry 17. At a point where the monsters had collected six human souls, and were trying to collect monster souls as the final stage of gaining the equivalency of the 7th human SOUL, and breaking the Barrier.

There may actually be some creepy overlap between the timelines as well, due to Gaster’s warping of time and space. Doctor Alphys choose a flower, the very first Golden Flower from the Other World that bloomed after Asriel’s dust scattered, to serve as The Vessel to contain monster souls because it was neither human, nor monster, and could absorb both types, just like a ghost could. She seemed to believe that she could control this flowery vessel even after it had achieved the Godlike power of having 7 human souls. And Gaster must have tried this same technique while he was still human, and unable to absorb the 6 human souls himself.

Which means both Alphys and Gaster created Flowey, in two separate timelines. And it’s more than a little creepy that Alphy’s’s Entry 18 “The Flower’s Gone” happens right after Gaster Entry 17 about his Darkest Experiment. The strange voice that confronts Frisk in the elevator leaving The True Lab says “It’s been a long time”, and clearly remembers Frisk, even if the amnesiac Frisk can’t remember ever hearing this voice before. A voice that seems to control Flowey from the vines that block the Elevator door after this trip. And the very same dark voice we hear coming from God of Hyperdeath Asriel during the endgame while his soul is still compassion-damaged.

It seems that Flowey was Gaster’s vessel every bit as much as he was Alphys’. And that the shade of ghostly Gaster was still able to exert control over Flowey even from beyond the grave in a different timeline.

Which means the fateful night of Gaster’s Darkest Experiment involved Flowey in some way, and the push to collect souls to break the Barrier.

And that after this event, Gaster’s ghost harbored a special dislike of Frisk, the earlier version of Sans, and tried to kill or manipulate him many times, while also being afraid to confront Frisk directly in person.