Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20181123023529/@comment-32182236-20181202130346

"I find myself frequently dealing with, not absolute proof, but the *PROBABILITY* that certain ideas might be correct in my quest to uncover stories. And while these details in Deltarune may not stand as proof on their own, they greatly boost the Probability of my theories about Undertale panning out, to the point where I feel I must at least mention them. And if I can find a beautiful story with a clear cut moral message that emerges from the chaotic haze of details in something like FNAF like a phoenix out of the ashes, with a 99.99% probability of having been deliberately constructed rather than spawned from abject randomness, then I’m willing to bite the bullet and take a chance on this story being real."

Where'd you get that probability from? Yes, Deltarune reveals possibilities. But we must use evidence from the original game to fibd out which ones are actually plausible, and which ones are mere alterations, and don't actually exist in Undertale. For every piece of evidence in Undertale against your theory, the probability of it being true drops, and the odds of it being something different about Deltarune rises. So, let's use Baysian probabilities, alright? At first, the odds of the theory being true is 50%. But evidence against the theory makes that drop, and evidence supporting it makes it rise. How much? Depends on te strength of the evidence, how unlikely it would be to be there if the opposing theory is true. We'll be using purely the game's world and mechanics for this, using basic probability theory. Endlessly speculating about what the author meant gets you nowhere. Ever played the Beginner's Guide?

Now, I do believe that it DOES take a human+monster SOUL to cross the barrier. Which means Frisk doesn't make it past the Barrier. But that doesn't mean they become Sans, it means they reset, just like Flowey flat-out tells them to do if he was spared. (This is further evidence that Frisk didn't cross the Barrier, by the way:If Frisk did cross the Barrier, how could Flowey talked to them? That would require Flowey to cross the Barrier too, which is impossible for him.)

Once again, why couldn't the statue be of the previous king? Gaster was supposed to be forgotten about the moment he was shartered, wasn't he? Only the followers even recall his name. Why Sans had to leave a note not to forget. How could they build a statue of someone who they had no idea even existed? I still believe that Gaster did not start his DT experiments until AFTER at least 1 human fell. Not including Chara. Oh, and that head? Also looks like a skeleton head, doesn't it? Yeah, Gaster was a skeleton.

"I’m saying there’s a huge difference between what happened to the Fallen, and what happened to Undyne, who literally bench pressed The Entire Cast according to Toriel’s endgame phone calls. Stick person fish lady has crazy powers that she definitely didn’t grow up having. The Fallen melted within days, but Undyne persisted for a long time, even after the end of the game, and doesn’t melt unless you pound her like a Sherman Tank"

Because she has less determination than the Amalgamates do. It's really THAT simple. I don't see any problem with this possibility. If you do, how about presentint it? And remember, no circular reasoning! (But you should be BETTER than that, right?)

"If Gaster’s Determination Research wasn’t aimed at stealing monster SOULs.. Then what was the goal of it?"

Probably to unlock the power of the SOUL like Alphys. Though it also could be to unlock the power of DT specifically, notably the ability to save, load, and reset. Could even have played a role in making that machine Sans has stored in his garage.

"Alphys took Gaster’s plans to make the DT machine, then immediately tried injecting monsters that people presumed were dying the hopes of their souls persisting after death long enough to be collected."

With the flower as an eventual vessel. Where's Gaster's vessel?

"Collect enough monster SOULS, and you have the equivalence of the power of the 7th human SOUL, and can break the barrier. Determination research was aimed at collecting SOULs from the beginning."

Yet Gaster would need more SOULs than what actually exist. Maybe Gaster was actually TRYING to make an unstoppable army, of empowered monsters like Undyne, fully aware about the nature of Amalgamates.

"Alphy’s attempts failed, and never collected a single soul, but not because the theory was wrong, but because someone else had already used this technique to steal the SOULs from the Fallen, which is how they got into this state to begin with. While saying the Fallen were victims of a Monster Soul Thief is certainly a more complex explanation than Old Age or Illness, it does fit the fragments of lore more closely, and certainly provides a much more interesting story."

Explain the former. The latter is irrelevant. In fact, it's a logical fallacy. Interesting and likelyhood are not related. If they are, it's actually an inverse relationship. We need to analyse this scientifically. But if you can show how the former is true, your theory will still be the better one.

"However.. Mettaton really only has two forms, three if you count EX-mode with the wings, and he’s the mostly highly recognizable personality in The Underground. Mettaton debuted his Sexy Form when Frisk hit the switch on his back, before then he was a rectangular box with arms and a unicycle wheel instead of legs. Muffet says her mysterious patron had a winning smile, something that Mettaton physically didn’t have at this time."

What about his NEO form? What's to say he didn't transform into that one? It'd even fit the context well, since that's his human eradication form, and they're discussing about eradicating the human! Oh, so much Story Potential*!

*Official trademark:Owned by MTT.

Joking aside, seriously. That's a better fit. Why can't that be the case? And remember, no circular reasoning. If A's only a better possibility if B is true, and B's only a better possibility if A's true, then hey, maybe none of them are true! Prove one of them separately first!

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The ketchup wasn't a prank. He just had so much ketchup, and doesn't have a digestive system. All that ketchup has to go somewhere.. And Sans knew when Frisk would attack because he's aware of the mechanics of the HUD. He watches for signs of Frisk focusing on the area of the fight button, calculates the time gap between the second press of the button and the attack, and dodges at the right time. However, since he can't see Chara, he doesn't see the second attacking coming. Though it is strange how he was able to dodge in his sleep, them being a future Frisk doesn't give any insight on the matter, especially since that would only help explain things if he was a future GENOCIDE Frisk, and if that were the case, he'd also see the Chara attack coming.

Post-script note:PersonThePerson also made a good rebuttal to some parts of the theory, and gave yet another compelling reason to partake in DT experiments (quite similar to my take on making Undyne-like monsters)