Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20181123023529/@comment-32182236-20181229112844

Ferret, you YOURSELF have pointed out how the novels and the games contradict each other at points, and must be alternate worlds. I have to say the exact same thing about Deltarune. The novels and games are about as connected as the games and The Desolate Hope.

Obscure evidence? Yes, that's important. "Evidence" that's not even evidence at all? No. "Kinda dark" is NOT a clue, Ferret.

I'm with you on lore details, but they need to ACTUALLY be lore details. You're right about MatPat, it only takes NEARLY all the monster SOULs just to equal the power of one human SOUL.

Haha, Nightmare wouldn't be separate from Nightmare Fredbear if Nightmare was GF.

Not the same universe means it's NOT CANON! And while we can gain inspiration from Deltarune, and learn wuite a lot about the characters (their personalities are the same), we can't say that if something happened in Deltarune, it happened in Undertale. After all, there's no menion of Susie in Undertale. (No, Clam Girl doesn't count, she references "Suzy", not "Susie". The difference is subtle, but it's still there. Besides, why would she say that Susie could have been friends, considering just how dark she is?)

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Ferret, what did you say about missing lore details? You ignored yet another lore detail.

Anytging can enter the barrier. It's only exiting the Barrier that's a problem. The humans could still enter to attack them. As long as the number who entered isn't greater than the numbe of Blss Monstrs, they'd then be able to go back. And if seven wizards came with them, any ampunt could enter, and then just destroy the Barrier when every monster is gone. Sure, they probably wouldn't do this, but the monsters were in a state of fear, panic, and reasonably could have been paranoid.

Where are the hybrids NOW, Ferret? There's no way the monsters killed them all!

Though I do have an altenrate explanation for why they would make these hybrids. (But that doesn't get rid of any of the problems I just mentioned. Just makes the humans not suddenly turn from a somewhat justified attack from fear into monsters themselves, getting rid of ONE anomaly.)

During the war, countless monsters had perished. Their numbers were quite low, since one city was enough for everyone to live in. The plaque about it taking nearly every monster to match the power of one human SOUL was written before Chara fell. It could be that the humans were wordied that the monster population would start to grow again, until eventually, it reached seven times its original amount, becoming enough for the monsters to just break the barrier themselves. So, the humans would sort of try to "control" that population. (How? By eliminating some as it gets to close to 7x human SOUL potential)

...Well, I guess that would still make them as "dark" as Gaster. Still an improvement over "for the evolz" though. Well, maybe not AS dark as Gaster, everyone's LIFE is at steak, rather than just getting rid of a barrier.. Though because of the problems I mentioned before, I don't think there were hybrids at all.