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Galleigo wrote: Cookie-Owl wrote: Rafip wrote:

@ Cookie-Owl ''Not really sure what you mean by how that works? People in real life can identify as nonbinary and prefer "they" pronouns, but still they are biologically either a boy or girl.'' Since sex term categorises people for males and females by their physical differences, which are given, the gender term describes someones personal choice how they want to be identified. However, the Undertale tells us nothing about Frisk's/Chara's physicality or their preferences/tastes/choices, so it was your choice based on your experiences to not only decide to make both of them girls, but also to assign gender role to them - nonbinary, which is someone who experiences their gender as both male and female, or experiences their gender as neither male nor female. Now, the question is, what made you to define them like that, what is the idea behind your thinking they are nonbinary girls?

EDIT: Also, Frisk wears both blue, a color used for boys, and pink, color used for girls! Wearing clothes with certain colors doesn't make someone a male/female. Also, some colors used for Frisk sprite are actually opposite versions of those used for Chara. Considering that Frisk is most likely a young child, I think many kids around their age go with the stereotype that pink is for girls and blue is for boys. So for me, this represents that they don't care  about what people think about gender and don't even care about gender, since they don't have one, which is what I believe. Chara's color on their clothes are colors not associated with gender, so they don't really care about gender either is what I believe. deep breath

i honestly don't get how this one makes sense.

Okay, so Frisk and Chara are young kids. How young? Well, Frisk is strong enough to kill a reindeer with a toy knife, so I'd say at least 12. 12 is highly unlikely anyway, but let's go on.

I think many kids around their age go with the stereotype that pink is for girls and blue is for boys. Assuming Frisk is at least 12, I doubt this will apply. The only problem with us assuming Frisk is at least 12 is the pink/blue striped shirt. Besides being hard to find, that attire would be uncommon for someone of that age.

Chara's color on their clothes are colors not associated with gender, so they don't really care about gender either is what I believe. This is like seeing an 8-year-old wearing green and deciding in your head, "Oh, that kid isn't wearing pink or blue. They must be non-binary."

Basically the thought process to get that result is pretty illogical, without any clear reason behind it. Okay, remember how that it would take the soul of almost every monster to equal the strength of one human soul? So one human, who has the willpower of steel through determination and can literally resurrect, against one monster. Sure, Frisk is a child, but humans are naturally stronger than monsters.

So with that logic, assuming Frisk is around 12 has no evidence. We know that they're a child since they have no evidence of puberty at all, but that is about it.

Also, Chara being 8 doesn't make much sense. Do you really think an 8 year old would climb a mountain to commit suicide? They were probably older. And anyone's reasoning behind what gender they are is illogical. Like, what gender are they to you?

So, I do believe they are nonbinary girls since throughout the game since "they" pronouns are used for Chara and Frisk, but this can be argued that the monsters just didn't know their gender. And I really have no solid evidence that they are both biologically girls. Neither does anyone else. Do you have any solid evidence? Do you have a result that is logical?