Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-27524978-20160210030742/@comment-4383275-20160716002449

Points so far (to keep us on track):

Original Video


 * Sans can disappear through "shortcuts" and has knowledge of time travel and alternate timelines


 * "We call that the Sun, my friend"


 * "Going back" and "getting to the surface" mean different things to Sans


 * Photo of smiling people, including Sans


 * Blueprints with strange writing


 * Badge


 * Phase Distorter


 * Courage=Determination


 * Surface world=world of Earthbound


 * Papyrus=Starman (see stance and chest symbol)


 * Sans' stance and clothing resemble Ness'


 * Sans bleeds, breathes, and sweats


 * Ness is not present in the Earthbound Halloween Hack, being stuck in an unseen alternate timeline (Undertale)

Follow-Up Video On Game Exchange
 * Sans is a revenant (invalidates any counterpoints about the complexity of another human in Undertale's main story)

CookiesAndChicken, Anarie


 * Sans can disappear through "shortcuts" and has knowledge of time travel and alternate timelines


 * "We call that the Sun, my friend"


 * "Going back" and "getting to the surface" mean different things to Sans


 * Photo of smiling people, including Sans


 * Blueprints with strange writing


 * Badge


 * Phase Distorter


 * Courage=Determination


 * Surface world=world of Earthbound


 * Papyrus=Starman (see stance and chest symbol) (No proof that Papyrus is a Starman; does not behave like one in terms of anatomy and personality; symbol is part of an outfit designed for a costume party)


 * Sans' stance and clothing resemble Ness'


 * Sans bleeds, breathes, and sweats


 * Ness is not present in the Earthbound Halloween Hack, being stuck in an unseen alternate timeline (Undertale)

FriedTunaWaffles


 * Sans can disappear through "shortcuts" and has knowledge of time travel and alternate timelines


 * "We call that the Sun, my friend" (other monsters also express knowledge of the Sun's existence)


 * "Going back" and "getting to the surface" mean different things to Sans (because of resets, not necessarily because of time travel)


 * Photo of smiling people, including Sans


 * Blueprints with strange writing (also similar to Gaster's Wingdings, makes more sense to attribute trait to in-game character)


 * Badge


 * Phase Distorter


 * Courage=Determination


 * Surface world=world of Earthbound


 * Papyrus=Starman (see stance and chest symbol) (No proof that Papyrus is a Starman; does not behave like one in terms of anatomy and personality; symbol is part of an outfit designed for a costume party)


 * Sans' stance and clothing resemble Ness'


 * Sans bleeds, breathes, and sweats


 * Ness is not present in the Earthbound Halloween Hack, being stuck in an unseen alternate timeline (Undertale)

Realta8


 * Sans can disappear through "shortcuts" and has knowledge of time travel and alternate timelines


 * "We call that the Sun, my friend" (other monsters also express knowledge of the Sun's existence)


 * "Going back" and "getting to the surface" mean different things to Sans (because of resets, not necessarily because of time travel)


 * Photo of smiling people, including Sans (evidence apparently removed in patch)


 * Blueprints with strange writing (also similar to Gaster's Wingdings, makes more sense to attribute trait to in-game character)


 * Badge


 * Phase Distorter


 * Courage=Determination


 * Surface world=world of Earthbound


 * Papyrus=Starman (see stance and chest symbol) (No proof that Papyrus is a Starman; does not behave like one in terms of anatomy and personality; symbol is part of an outfit designed for a costume party)


 * Sans' stance and clothing resemble Ness'


 * Sans bleeds, breathes, and sweats


 * Ness is not present in the Earthbound Halloween Hack, being stuck in an unseen alternate timeline (Undertale)

Painocus


 * Sans can disappear through "shortcuts" and has knowledge of time travel and alternate timelines


 * "We call that the Sun, my friend" (other monsters also express knowledge of the Sun's existence)


 * "Going back" and "getting to the surface" mean different things to Sans (because of resets, not necessarily because of time travel)


 * Photo of smiling people, including Sans (evidence apparently removed in patch)


 * Blueprints with strange writing (also similar to Gaster's Wingdings, makes more sense to attribute trait to in-game character)


 * Badge


 * Phase Distorter


 * Courage=Determination


 * Surface world=world of Earthbound


 * Papyrus=Starman (see stance and chest symbol) (No proof that Papyrus is a Starman; does not behave like one in terms of anatomy and personality; symbol is part of an outfit designed for a costume party)


 * Sans' stance and clothing resemble Ness'


 * Sans bleeds, breathes, and sweats


 * Ness is not present in the Earthbound Halloween Hack, being stuck in an unseen alternate timeline (Undertale)


 * Sans' attacks in the Genocide Run "drain" damage, the way it was "drained" in Earthbound

Invalid Counterpoints


 * Bones are organic matter (only partially, but even so, Sans is made of dust like all monsters in Undertale)


 * Sans would not be recognizable as Ness (only due to his face, everything else checks out)


 * Ness and Sans have different personalities (Ness is an avatar rather than a fleshed-out character, so his thoughts are the player's thoughts)


 * The monsters were on the surface and know about the Sun (that was a century before the events of Undertale


 * Toby Fox debunked the theory (he said nothing specific, only mentioning that he is embarrassed by the attention his Halloween Hack has received)


 * I don't like MatPat (nobody cares)