Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-32182236-20170602170443/@comment-13682699-20170729135725

TheHumanAmbassador wrote: Starscream1998 wrote: Banishing an entire race at the time may have seemed justified but oh boy did it not pan out so well in the long term. Nobody has to be eradicated in the True Pacifist ending that's why it's called the True Pacifist Route. I'm fully aware of why those endings are your favourites but personally I can find at least one thing troubling in every variation of the Neutral ending. Oh no but caging them up again is sooo much better. How exactly is that going to work in terms of logistics, Frisk didn't go through all that trouble to break the barrier just so someone could erect another one. How is it even going to work? Assuming another barrier is possible (which it isn't) what if during the time it would take to get such a complicated plan in action a Monster falls in love with a human or becomes friends with one? "True Pacifist" and "Genocide" were named by the fans. They aren't actually official, and therefore, we can't just assume they're 100% accurate. Frisk flirting with literally every monster is also very common along the fandom. (Also, pacifist means YOU don't kill anyone. Doesn't mean nobody else kills everybody. Asgore still dies in the PACIFIST variation of a Neutral Run, and it's still called "Pacifist" by the fans.)

Are you talking about the death of Asgore? Well, why do you think I said the PACIFIST variation of it? (The one where you literally don't kill any monsters, but still don't break the barrier)

First off, it was Asriel that broke the barrier. Second, breaking the barrier was a bad idea. A big mistake. It shouldn't have happened at all. We're erecting another barrier to fix the problem that Asriel caused.

Third... We have a LONG time before that happens if the ending itself is to believed. We don't see a single other human in the entire ending, and yet Mettaton is performing, on a stage, to a LOT of monsters. They must have built that themselves. They haven't met any other humans yet.

Fourth, that's the problem with the True Pacifist Ending as a whole. No matter what you do, there's a chance everybody dies. At least in this scenario we have a chance of surviving since we're not rolling that die of chance an infinite number of times. And once again, it'll be a long time until monsters meet humans, we have a long while to gather the Mages.

The routes are official as they are recognized by Toby himself (however he prefers if people call the genocide route the 'No Mercy' route) Not only that, he specifically mentions that the Pacifist Route is the happiest route attainable, not the 'Family Neutral' ending where they are still stuck underground. (its not called the pacifist ending by the fans because you still are responsible for Asgore's death regardless of whose fault it is. Pacifist ending is where everyone lives and no one dies INCLUDING ASGORE)

Also, just 'caging them up again' is not a good solution regardless of what happened centuries ago in the past. Unless either side actively provokes each other, there is no feasible reason to waste time and resources trying to set up another barrier that humans aren't able to even replicate without magic. This is considered a very extreme view and would not take well with most humans on the surface anyways regardless of how passionately you would try to defend it.

Look, Asriel flat-out tells us that not everything can be resolved by just being nice. I'm sure that line is important in some way. There are times when we will have to stray from being as nice as Frisk is in the True Pacifist Ending. Because being nice all the time won't solve everything. And everything in the entire game was solved by being nice.. And I say, the ecxeptions is the problem of SOUL absorption.

Its important because he is saying that not all humans are nice and just being nice wont solve all problems because they wont care about how nice you are. Also, not everything in the game was 'solved' by being nice such as fighting Asgore/Omega Flowey who fight you regardless of how nice you are.