Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20190403163405/@comment-26006155-20190410230755

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Chapter 1:https://undertale.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:157112#133

Are you sure Chara knew they’d have split control? Human souls are stronger than monster souls, and this sort of fusion hadn’t happened for a long time.

Whatever the reason was, Chara wanted to destroy her home village, not just collect six souls to free the monsters. Asriel agreed to go along with that plan.. But resisted when Chara changed the plan to a mission of slaughter.

Something in her past in that village caused Chara to want to commit suicide by climbing a cursed mountain. And whatever it was was so bad that Chara lied to Asriel about her plan, thinking she could still pull it off without his consent.

I honestly think Asriel surprised Chara with how well he was able to resist. She did not plan for that.

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I still maintain that we don’t see Asriel fade at the end of Undertale, or even seem to begin to fade.

It’s only when the player physically restarts the game that Flowey Who Remembers pops up, warns us that the power we’re about to use to erase everyone’s memories is the very power we fought to stop earlier (literally the same soul power, too, if our soul is linked to Chara’s), then asks that you do a True Reset (implying that we’ve already done a Light Reset), which will also permanently erase Flowey’s memories.

Then Flowey calls us Chara, and says goodbye. And then we get the menu screen.. With creepy Chara-like music playing in the background as we consider erasing everyone’s happiness to do a No Mercy run.

Asriel is still about in Deltarune. And he’s still in the Underground. The world may have been warped, along with time, but the people we’ve met before are still there. And Asriel is one of them. He hadn’t faded, years later.

Flowey wasn’t able to take soul power from Toriel and Asgore, because he wasn’t a boss monster child in that form. It’s only when Flowey uses the godlike power of 7 human souls to restore his original body that he becomes a boss monster child again, and Gerson’s lore about Boss Monsters transferring soul power to their kids kicks in again.

Asriel is the only character we’ve seen that Gerson’s lore about Boss Monster Kids applies to. And it gives Asriel a way out of his situation, because while he *would* fade if Chara’s soul was removed from him at present, once he’s able to regenerate his boss monster soul from Toriel and Asgore’s energy, he can return Chara’s soul to her without having to fade.

It all fits perfectly together. And I can’t see any other reason why Gerson’s “Is Asgore a Goat” dialog would exist other than to set up this situation.

Gerson even field’s Frisk’s question of whether he would qualify as a boss monster child, by saying that it wouldn’t work on adopted children, just boss monster kids.

So again, this lore is aimed squarely at Asriel. The only Boss Monster Child that we know.

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How do we know that Chara’s state of hating humanity was caused by trauma?

Her soul was damaged, before she even arrived in the Underground. That’s why it took so much trouble and energy and love to heal it in the end in the Asriel fight. And once her soul was healed, it was able to fully express compassion again.

And from her “...” response to seeing the family pictures, and Serious Mode when encountering members of the Dreemur family, Chara did feel a *hint* of some alien feeling in these moments. Some spark of compassion like a damaged spark plug that springs to life and fires intermittently if given enough of a charge.

But in its weakened state, her desire for revenge overpowered that flicker of compassion, and refused to let it take control again.

Something HURT Chara, before Undertale’s story even began. She wasn’t born that way.

And I think we’re going to find out what it was in the future episodes of Deltarune.

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Ok, maybe Chara did know about the split control from True Lab Tape 5.

She might have figured that her soul could still overpower Asriel's. Or perhaps, on being attacked by her people, AGAIN, she just went feral and lashed out anyway, throwing consequence to the winds.

I still find it odd that Chara asked Asriel to carry her body back to the village. If they were going to go digging up human souls in the graveyard, or performing a surgical strike to kill *only Six* humans before returning, in both cases lugging that body around would be a hindrance.

Chara did lie to Toriel and Asgore about her intentions. And she instructed Asriel to do the do the same, giving him a different story, yet not the complete story. I still think her instructions to carry her body back to the village were a premeditated attempt to trap Asriel in a situation where he had to fight.

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But Hyperdeath Asriel did NOT feel the compassion of everyone else.

Flowey said he could feel the souls inside him wiggling.. But it was only when Frisk tried to *save*/heal  Asriel’s core directly that Asriel’s ability to feel both his own compassion, and that of the other monsters, began to return.

After the fight, the healed Asriel was able to feel the love of all the other monsters within him. But not before.

The Asriel fight says that the compassion of Frisk’s friends increases inside Asriel each time he saves some of the Lost Souls. Until it’s finally bright enough that even the damaged spark plug in Asriel’s second-hand soul begins to fire again from the overflowing energy of it all. And Frisk, along with all his friends still trapped inside Asriel, are able to bring their combined compassion to bear to finally begin healing the grave wound in Asriel/Chara’s soul together.

Whether they were fully combined or not, if part of Asriel’s original monster soul survived his death and return as Flowey, he would still be able to feel compassion. Kid Asriel was overflowing with it.

The fact that Flowey has the human-like powers of Saving and Loading, yet can feel every emotion except the strange absence of Compassion, looks like a label on his soul that says “This is Chara’s soul, still persisting after death”.

Which is why Asriel would need to get his own monster soul recharged from Toriel and Asgore.

If both of the original souls were still there, there should still be Split Control inside Flowey. But now there’s only one voice inside him. Only one soul.

So while Asriel’s essence is still in there from when his dust scattered over that flower, his original monster soul is gone.