Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20181229180615/@comment-32182236-20190114185801

They're not in the Underground, Ferret. That was a glyph. The monster with a human SOUL probably died by the time the war happened:Else, the monsters could have won, or at least not been unable to absorb even one SOUL.

They absorbed a human SOUL before the war. That's the best explanation we have for the glyph. If it was a typical hybrid, it wouldn't be directly after the plaque describing the monsters' ability to ABSORB a human SOUL.

The humans couldn't have created such a hybrid, because this was before the war. They had no reason to fear the monsters at this point, and were still living in peace. Whatever this monster is, the monsters were the cause of it. Which once again raises the question:How could this be possible, if monsters really can't have darkness? My answer is simple:Monsters CAN have darkness, but they don't wish to think that about themselves, and they don't want humans to think this, as if they do, another war may start, so they declare it to be impossible.

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When I say there's a contradiction, I don't say the game contradicts itself. I say the game contradicts the current theory. So we resolve the contradiction, or change the theory to not have such contradiction. But you have to be careful not to create new contradictions as a result of trying to fix the ones you have. Simple, right? If we do this enough, we'll find the truth. One with zero contradictions.

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Now, to examine what you've added to Chapter 9 (I haven't studied the Halloween Hack entensively enough to make a proper response to Chapter 10 yet, or really, to even make any theories regarding said hack.)

Yes, Papyrus didn't want you dead. Undyne makes it clear the reason why Papyrus wasn't alloed to be in the Royal Guard was because he's too innocent and nice. Him being this nice to Frisk is not out-of character for him at all. Just like Alphys pretends to be a hero to us, when it was all just a show, and she doesn't want her dark truth to come out, Papyrus acts all Skeletor because he wants to be in the Royal Guard, because that's what Undyne is the head of, but in reality, he wouldn't harm a fly. I see no reason why Frisk is a special case here:By my take, Papyrus would have done this with ANY human-It's just in his character.

The question Sans asks Frisk in the Genocide Run is quite familiar:Do we believe that even the worst person could change? That anyone could be a good person, if they just tried? This is exactly what Papyrus demonstrates his belief in in the Genocide Route.

Papyrus knew Frisk was a human, yes. One could even argue Papyrus never wanted whatever human to walk by to get captured. But could you explain what lead you to the conclusion that Papyrus must then know who Frisk is? Right now, it seems like a massive, unvounded leap of logic. I want to see the logical steps that lead from Papyrus just not wanting you as a human to die, to Papyrus knowing the full truth of what happened.

As for your take on Sans, tell me:What's WRONG with the monsters getting decsending towards Gaster? He's become a monster at this point, and his evil plans shouldn't succeed. He's become evil, and the monsters discovering the truth about Gaster shouldn't be a problem for Sans. Gaster's going to get what he deserves. If he really is this megalomanic Giygas as you claim in Chapter 10, he should be revealed as one.

Also, why would they be descending towards Sans? Sans backed out when he discovered Gaster's true nature. Shouldn't he be regarded as a hero for exposing the darkness within Gaster, and putting a stop to his plans to genocide nearly all of monsterkind?

As for Frisk coming back and loaing their memeory every reset, this makes no sense when you consider that Flowey spells out that Frisk can get a happy ending by loading their SAVE. And that's exactly what we see happen. Flowey even reacts when we decide to do another Neutral Ending instead. This makes no sense if we have different iterations of Frisks going to different universes with different Floweys, but it makes perfect sense if Frisk did what we all believed them to do, what the game is trying to say happened:Frisk LOADed their save to try again!

Frisk's shirt doesn't flash from one stripe to two stripes, it flashes between purple and light magenta.