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MysteriousMalice

"How?"

You didn't do an exactly good job at thoroughly explaining your idea of why exactly they don't question it is what I meant.

"They clearly know and understand the basics, not the finer intricacies that Sans does."

They clearly don't, as they can't even dodge and don't recognize that you're a human even though you are practically rubbing it in their faces. And no, you haven't convinced me that the monsters are simply being a "not captain obvious", nor that they are putting on a fake act.

My default belief is, that most of these monsters don't know you're a human, the idea of killing you is going against their hearts and so they are choosing to laugh it off, and the HUD, assuming it is canon, is tricking their minds into not taking the correct course of action, such as running away to avoid death, to begin with.

Lastly, we don't even have any proof the HUD existed in the pre-barrier era.

"That just means they know the obvious and don't feel any need to state it."

Well then, it is your word against mine. I'm saying that due to the fact that humans are such a rarity in their society, and due to the fact that the entire kingdom is on a hunt for the last human soul, some - at least a SINGLE damned ordinary monster should have reacted to our presence. But only the members of the royal guard did, meaning the rest of the population probably doesn't even know what a human looks like. Ergo, the last option for them recognizing us would be through the HUD if they can't tell by our overworld appearance, but that didn't happen either. But then, that means they aren't familiar with the HUD, etc, they should have reacted to it but didn't, etc, etc, mind control, etc etc etc...

I'm seriously repeating myself for the last time here. It's such a simple and logical conclusion, I don't even remember what do you two still have against it.

"Also, one DID react, Monster Kid."

If I recall correctly, he could tell we're a kid right away, but found out we're a human only after Undyne told him.

"During their time with the humans on the surface, the Monsters noticed certain oddities regarding FIGHTs with Humans."

Provided they survived. As they obviously can't run away and must await a spare command. Though if a human fights, it's usually with the intention to kill, which reduces the probability of such scenario ever happening, but alright, I'll allow it.

"Through the work of their most brilliant scientific minds"

Yeah. Somehow, they found out all about it, ALL thanks to their BRILLIANT people of science! Roll the credits, we now have all the answers we've been looking for!

"During their time in the Underground, they managed to streamline and master their own usage of the the FIGHTs rules and laws"

Yeah... no. I don't think what they showed us could be considered a "mastery"... more like, a total unknowingness. Unless you're speaking only of Sans.

"So, by your logic, our world is nothing but a simulation."

Could be. The quantum world is the biggest indicator here, just like the HUD is in Undertale. Though, the HUD is just... well, if it's canon exactly the way it looks, then it's canon as an "HUD" - "heads-up display". A very basic videogame meta concept. In such case, the only way they couldn't tell they're in a simulation is if they themselves didn't have any videogames, which I don't think is the case. But even if it was, my previous point still applies, that is, there's no way the HUD would develop naturally, ergo, it was constructed, ergo, we reach the world a simulation conclusion once again.

"Intelligent Design =/= Simulation."

And why is that?

"Maybe it's just the way I'm reading it, but doesn't this imply that the S/L/R ability existing is Gaster's fault?"

It's a working theory for many fans, including stars like Camila Cuevas, yes.

"It definitely happened with more than one, so did it happen with only two? Three? Four? Or five kids?"

Probably with more, as Asgore merely nods when we tell him he has killed us before, implying this wasn't the first time this has happened to him, and maybe even more than that, that it could have been a rule (e.g. all the kids having this, without an exception), which is why he was not surprised by our statement in the slightest.