Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20181123023529/@comment-26006155-20181226164644

If two characters have determination, only the strongest one can choose when to Save and Load.

Chara-possessed-Frisk has more determination than Flowey in the Genocide Ending.

And Omega Flowey with his six captured human souls can save over Frisk's own death.

If Gaster is just a sharf of a human soul after being shattered, then Frisk and his intact human would would have stronger determination, and would be able to override Gaster in his weakened state.

Looking at all your various Universe Numbers, I can't pretend to make sense of it all. But I think you're losing the spirit of the story in the letter of it.

I don't have a full timeline plotted out. I don't know why Frisk and Chara fell at their respective times, or if they have some deeper dimension-linked connection.

What I do know is that when Lab Entry 17 was recorded, Gaster in the original timeline was standing right where Alphys was in the current one.

Befriending the monsters and then setting an epic trap with the Core is a epic tribute to both the scientific genius and moral ambiguity of Doctor Andonuts. Other theorists have claimed Earthbound characters were in Undertale, but what's the point of bringing in epic character from another universe if you don't DO ANYTHING with them?

This goes back to our old argument where you talk about the probabiliy of something Just Happening, and say my theories are impossible. And I mention which choices would make the Best Story, and how a Good Artist would be drawn toward those plotlines, especially if they were improbably.

An epic mystery never has a simple solution.

If you can find me a story in one of your 1-8 numerically catalogued alternate universes that beats the one I just put forward, I'll be wiling to listen.

But the scattered pieces of lore fit together so beautifuly in the one I described, that it's hard for me to think I haven't at least brushed the truth in some way.

As I said before, there's a strange symetry between Flowey and Chara, and Gaster and Frisk. Each one involves a Best Friend betrying the other, and the victim coming back to see revenge later on.

To some degree, our choices influence the very fabric of Undertale's reality itself. The Dagger and Heart-shaped Locked you find in New Home are basic items if innocent Frisk picked them up, but they're incredibly powerful artifacts if CHARA gets them on a genocide run. It's almost like how the Warhammer 40k Orks can make things work with their damaged-mind powers, just because they believe they will.

So if Flowey was created in two parallel timelines, once by Alphys, and once by Gaster, perhaps fate is closely woven enough that the Gaster from the original timeline can exert influence on the Flowey in Alphy's timeline?

It would make for a very powerful story-creating tool.