Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31981697-20170722123329/@comment-32182236-20170808172132

2.2)No, because we just ASSUMED the "game" was Undertale. It could be any other game, or even a game that doesn't exist in the real world! Besides, maybe Undertale exists as a game.. WITHIN Undertale. The scene could serve as an explanation, within the story, as to how it turned into a game. Haven't you seen a story that ends with someone making a story, which turns out to be the one you just read? If the game is in fact Undertale, it's that kind of scenario. But, I'm pretty sure the game the dog created is not Undertale-There's no evidence it was Undertale.

3)Yep, they did mean monsterkind as a whole-That too is singular. And since Chara is reffering to monsterkind as a whole, then they hate monsterkind as a whole! It can't be PART of monsterkind, like half, because then it wouldn't be one "enemy".

3.3)No, we and Chara both share a save-Neither one of us actually "own" the SAVE. It's kind of like when Asriel absorbed Chara's SOUL, and they both had control over their body.

3.5)Yeah, erasing the world would kill the humans too. Closed!

3.6)I'm saying Frisk tried to laugh but failed, not that they REFUSED to laugh-Those are two completely different things. "But nobody came" is Frisk calling for help, but none arriving. Same thing here-It wouldn't make sense for "but nobody came" to mean Frisk refused to call for help! And why would the joke button existing mean Chara hates the Snowdrake family? Chara's the narrator, not the HUD. I would say Chara hates that family, but only because they hate ALL of monsterkind. Once again, Frisk didn't cry. They never even TRIED to cry. And it's harder to laugh at the same thing twice than just one. It starts to not be funny anymore-You've already seen it. This could explain why Frisk laughs the first time, and Chara says it's funny, but the second time, Frisk fails to laugh, because it's not funny anymore-It grew old.

3.7)The way we shamble from place to place.. How Frisk seems to move on thier own without any input.. They're all hints that someone else seems to be controlling Frisk.. Perhaps Chara? If Chara is inside Frisk, and also has determination, they would both share control over Frisk's body, just like Asriel and Chara. This might be enough to prove the existence of a narrator. Or we could jst say Flowey could hear the narrator the same way Napstablook does.

4)Hey, we gotta explain why we don't SEE Frisk turn into a heart somehow. You said the idea of Sans using a magical attack wouldn't make sense due to there being no battle screen, but now we know the battle screen actually DID appear-So that means Sans HAD to have used some kind of magical attack, or something that would make the HUD appear. The HUD isn't what Sans was going for, it was an effect from using a magical move. Because we all know that the HUD appears when magic is used at Frisk. This is just another example of this concept.

4.1)Nope. Just means he doesn't use portals. I ruled out that. What he probably does is more.. Gaster-ish. What he probably does is simply use magic to instananeously teleport. In a world with magic, apparition spells aren't out of the question. And that's what I'd say Sans uses to teleport. And he can also choose what is also affected. Including station. Case in point-Frisk being able to follow Sans into his shortcuts.

4.1.1)First: he lied to us, and never mentioned his third job? If it's not an illegal one, he has no real motive here. Second: Nice evidence! I suppose Undyne was aware of the station before. And probably assumed it was legal, because.. Third:That phone call takes place after Undyne discovered the third station. Why would she just forget about the station she ALREADY discovered Sans sleeping at? That's why she said three. And do note that she asks who keeps hiring him, not that it was illegal. So actually, she considers it as a legal station that someone hired him for! She was just so confused since she never saw that station before! "Who keeps hiring him?"

4.2)That hyper-goner attack is PROBABLY going to start to tear reality apart. Also, do note that the reason why they want to reset everything is to stop your happy ending. So, they want victory to be right there.. Only for him to tear it away, and make you start ALL over. And then lose again, and again!! The best part-We'll do it. (Yeah, we probably would stay determined and try to find a way to to beat him)

4.3+4.5)It was to establish a connection between Frisk and Chara. We are meant to assume that Frisk is Chara, because there truly is a connection. Flowey also assumes that you're Chara, because Chara is with you. It was also to railroad us into calling out Chara's name-Whatever name you choose automatically becomes Chara's name, just to make it so that we're calling out to Chara.

4.6)I see you don't understand. Here's my take on it.

The shield is a part of your SOUL mode, because that is what represents kindness. The shield represents kindness, the trait of the green SOUL, and is why the SOUL is green in the first place.

Undyne was being kind and nice to you, and made it a fair fight by actually telling you how the green mode works. If we didn't know you could block attacks with the shield, it wouldn't really be a fair fight now, would it?

4.8)It could be any other whole game ever. It could even be a nonexistent Mario Galaxy 3. The dog's also supposedly responsible for most of the bad comments on the internet, so it's not JUST Toby Fox here. There's no implication that the game is Undertale.

If it was Undertale. it's a bonus chapter that attempts to explain how the story we saw play out got a game based off of it, basically enforcing the Literary Agent Hypothesis-That Toby created Undndertale based off of his expeirences in the Underground, to tell the story you see in the game-Not that it was always a game canonically. So, Undertale would exist, as a game.. WITHIN Undertale. But once again, it's more than likely some other random game, like OneShot, or the Shovel Knight. Or one of those joke RPG's made in RPG Maker.

4.10)About 200 years afterward, actually. It's actually more like 2000 years between Frisk and Chara. And actually, the simplest answer would be that they all fell with the same time gap between them. So Chara falling 250 years after the war, the 2nd human falling 250 years after that, and so on. It's simpler to say this natural progression happened, which would easily explain it being at least 100 years (250>100), without the need for some ex-machina making humans suddenly start falling into the mountain quickly when before, none ever fell. There's no need for some special event or special shift in speed, if it all happened in a simple, natural progression like this. They've been trapped for millenia, of course it'd be at least a long time since the last human fell if only 8 humans fell in 2000 years! And it would be nearly impossible for it to not be at least a century since the FIRST human fell-That's close to the start of the timeline! (It being at 100 years since the first human fell is practically a given using the simplest explanation we had.)

4.11)Your body always ends up at the same place the battle begun, no matter how you move your SOUL around. You're NOT moving your body. Just your SOUL-Otherwise, we'd see that Frisk's position had moved when the battle ends.

4.13)...Which you can't use if you're green. And the entire way to spare Undyne then is by fleeing. It can't be Frisk's "desire to stay". In a pacifist run, we want to spare the monsters, not keep the battle going!

5.1)It's not truly a void without light yet-There's still enough to see yourself, perhaps from you phone. There is one point where you cannot even see yourself-And that's in the Genocide Void. You can't see Chara either, even though they have become physical just a few moments earlier. And that's because there's ZERO light

6)How? When did we kill anyone?

Though Asriel enjoying killing us over and over again does seem to be a common motif in the story. It's a play-battle to Asriel, we have Asriel, the "God of Hyperdeath", versus "Chara". Wait, why can't we just free the six human SOULS Asriel has and allow them to rebel?

.*You call for help...*