Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-32182236-20190716003715/@comment-32182236-20190818123042

It's definitely coinciding with something, because our computer day determines whether or not we can see So Sorry, and the sign always says the art club is on October 10th.

So if the computer says October 10th, it's October 10th.

Either So Sorry is using the human calendar for some reason, or the monster calendar is similar to the human calendar, but has the year wrong.

And maybe the computer day isn't exactly accurate. We're in the modern era.. But maybe Undertale doesn't happen at EXACTLY the present. Just the modern era in general. But take a look at the ending of Undertale, and the one shot of the Surface we get.

It's the modern era. Even though it should be well over a century after 201X.

If we're not in the distant future right now, and it's really been a long time since Chara fell... Then the only other possibility is that 201X is in fact the distant past.

I'm actually not the first to think about this, though-It seems someone else made a similar hypothesis: https://anomalouscomic.tumblr.com/timeline

Flowey may have simply called it an ending from Frisk's perspective:It's an ending to Frisk's journey, and he's talking to Frisk. From Frisk's perspective, it's an ending.

I'm asking why Sans would consider it an ending. And not only that, but a particular ending, and one that should be impossible.

Not only that, he flat-out says this is an error-handling message. How did he figure THAT out?

The game in the Annoying Dog's room is an exact match to Overtale (or whatever Mettaton's game is actually called). The cover is literally the same sprite.

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Flowey's LV is canon. I literally gave an explanation for where it could have came from. Killing. And gave evidence that he had it from the start-He nearly one-shot Frisk in the tutorial.

By the way.. If you absorbed a SOUL.. That didn't want to be absorbed.. And CONTROLLED them... That'd bring quite a lot of harm. I wonder if that would help add some more EXP..

Hard Mode is part of the game.. But to say that it proves anything about Normal Mode at this point would be like saying that the blooper reels that sometimes exist within a movie/show prove something about the rest of the movie/show. Or that "Peabody's Improbable History" proves something about the rest of the continua in Rocky and Bullwinkle.

We have no evidence that save points do not exist on the Surface. We just see literally one room, and we see plenty of rooms in the Underground with no save points.

However, considering that we see Flowey, and Asriel said he wasn't going to the Surface, we can conclude that Frisk went back to the Underground to perform the True Reset. Perhaps Frisk can't use their powers on the Surface, because there are plenty of other humans just as determined as they are, meaning they no longer have the most when compared to the rest of humans, and thus can't use their ability? The power to do this does go to the one with the most determination, and given that Chara likely had a red SOUL, it really doesn't make sense for Frisk to be the only one. So it's very likely that there's a human out there that is more determined than Frisk. (Or at least tied with Frisk.)

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Alright.. It's time for me to continue my evolution story. That should answer some of your questions. I'll start with what I already had (including the origin of turns!).. And then I'll inquire about Gerson.

Now, after humans evolved the ability to FIGHT, they could originally attack again and again. (I mean, what was there to stop them? Turns?) The monsters obviously didn't want that... They were the ones getting bested by the humans now. ...But the human system had a few flaws in it. Flaws that the monsters could exploit.

But before we go into the flaws, we need to talk about how the current system worked.

First off, the humans would have to expend some of their SOUL power/magic simply to counter the monster's attempts at just moving it back to the box. After all, the tunneling is useless if the monster can just move the SOUL back. So there's either some kind of magical field protecting the area from being affected.. Or the SOUL itself is exerting a force against the monster. And if there is a magical field, that magic has to come from somewhere, right? Either way, the SOUL is using up magic.

And if the SOUL is using its magic to perform an attack.. Then it isn't using that magic to protect itself from monster spells. So, that means a monster now has an opportunity to put it right back inside of the box, as soon as that happened!

In fact, that attack would use up so much magic, that the human doesn't have enough to tunnel again! (They're literally taking the physical weapon, and manifesting it's effect based purely on magic. Yeah, that's going to take a lot of magic.)

But by absorbing ambient magic from the bullets that monsters fire, ala TP from Deltarune, they can regain the magic they need to do this.

But you see... magic is something that is very, well.. sensitive. Just a small change is enough to completely RUIN the intended effect! Why do you think that most humans weren't Mages? (This is also pretty much a staple of magic.. Take Harry Potter, for example.) So, if there's still ambient magic being absorbed while the SOUL tries to teleport.. The spell would fail! It can't do that!

So, in order to be able to tunnel again, they need to have absorbed magic from bullets made by monsters.. And have a time of opportunity where none are being fired at the time. In other words.. They can't attack again until after the monster made their move. Now, what does that sound exactly like? What do we call a system where you can't attack until your enemy finishes theirs?

We call that turn-based combat.

Now, the weapon connection is pretty close-range as well. The MERCY command was over at the right, so the weapons and FIGHT had to be on the left!

The left. And all the humans we see in the intro are left-handed. I don't think that's a coincidence... The odds are too small for that. I'd say they're left-handed... Because they need to be. The weapons need to be on the left, so that the connection will hold. Which is why you can only equip one at a time, instead of two. (You have two hands. There is such a thing as dual-wielding. But in Undertale.. You can't do that.)

Of course, at some point in time, ITEM evolved as well. As a way for the SOUL to use up the magic inside of magical items, to heal directly from them. However.. This can't be the full story, due to the descriptions that arise from using items. Perhaps it and ACT actually evolved to find a way to link up to the body to perform a few, basic actions.. But nothing complex like walking?

But of course, these battles didn't last forever. As we all know, monsters and humans eventually became friends. At the dawn of civilization, they decided they'd work TOGETHER, and help each other, rather than continuing to hunt each other down. And as stories of pre-civilization aren't really told (at least not accurately), it wouldn't be known by the humans that monsters could absorb human SOULs-At least not at the time when such fears would develop, or the concept of war even existed.

ACT was added. A way to talk to the monsters, and communicate with them, rather than fighting. The SOUL can't talk on its own.. But perhaps with another manifestation...

Likewise, RUN evolved into MERCY-As one could simply spare a monster.. If the monster and humans both agree.. The human will have the monster cut off the spell that links the human SOUL to them.. If none of the monsters have the SOUL entrapped.. The fight is basically over.

So now the entire HUD evolved, and humans and monsters live together in harmony. :3

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So, what about Gerson? Why can't you attack someone during a line of dialogue? I have a few possible explanations for this.

One possibility is in dialogue screen, you select options with your SOUL.. But I wouldn't call it very strong-You could very clearly just summon the battle HUD. Besides, that has no reason to evolve. Not when you can just, well... Talk normally.

Another possibility is that somewhere along the lines, fights became something only the monsters could initiate. We only ever see monsters initiate fights.. Even in the Genocide Route, where we WANT everyone dead, it's still always the monster that initiates the fight.

If Gerson never initiates a fight, there won't be a fight. Because humans can't initiate fights against monsters.

But that probably doesn't make much sense either. There's really nothing stopping us from just taking out a weapon, and killing monsters out that way. That's basically what Chara does to destroy the world.

So what else do we have? Could it be that Gerson created some sort of barrier around the shop, preventing anyone from crossing? It'd surely protect him from theft, as well.

...We don't actually know about that one. At least I don't, maybe you actually found a way to debunk it.

..I think I'll have to continue this in another post. It's getting long..