Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31371445-20170222233857/@comment-32182236-20180728113009

"Chara's consciousness joined their soul when Asriel absorbed their soul, which mean consciousness is in souls. Perhaps an essence is a rest of a soul, that why consciousness can remain in it"

..Maybe? Monster dust is monster essence, so.. We don't know where we would find the human essence. Either way, though, we know Chara came back to life without a SOUL.

"Charisk's case is really special, upon inspection we can clearly notice that for the two characters Frisk is the one in control but in reality the player control both of them in the same time"

Chara acts indepenently of the player too, but not just that. They flat-out talk to the player. Mago, I thought you believed NarraChara. The narrator CANNOT be the player. Else they'd be bound to the same rules as us, and wouldn't be giving us new information. And they certainly wouldn't jumpscare us when we say not to destroy the world, or demand our SOUL. The player is only Frisk, not Chara. There is a relationship between the two, hence why we name Chara rather than Frisk, but we still in fact play as Frisk.

"That doesn't change the fact monsters wanted to fight them, which could kill them, so as they feared death they became so determined"

Yes, they wanted to fight. Yes, they wanted to kill.

"Plus I don't think the kids knew how peacefully talk with the monsters"

Where's all the monster dust from all the massacres that these humans commited? If they couldn't do that, that means they did a No Mercy Route (not to be confused with Genocide), and every monster encountered besides Asgore should be DEAD.

"Frisk can because Chara provide options(indicated by the fact that they provide [save] option in the last battle)."

"It seems you really can no longer SAVE. But, perhaps, with what little power you have left.. You can SAVE something else."-Charrator, prior to the SAVE option "appearing".

SAVing is technically an action, though. It works just like your typical action as well. All Chara did was reskin the ACT button. SAVE button=ACT button

"Plus noone of the children wanted to stay with Toriel, so they have excuse to be so determined"

Um, really? Just because they, like WE did, decided to leave, they weren't determined? Look, those shoes imply they did stay for a while before they left, just like us. "You are just like the others."-Toriel

"And..? Yes Frisk has integrity but their soul doesn't become integrity trait but they also has others traits but their soul doesn't become one of those traits."

Exactly. Because what do you get when you combine all six traits together? That's the red SOUL. Of COURSE Frisk doesn't turn into one of the six colors, the seventh color already fits in the most, as they are all six combined, and red is defined as all six combined by Red Flag 1. Remember, DOMINANT traits are always what the color ends up being.

"Frisk soul still red likely because their soul is a mix of two or more traits."

It's a mix of all six.

"And i don't said red is being original i said that its more likely red is a lack of trait(which is also implied by Frisk's neutral personality) and then can have a trait or a mix of traits or a trait out of the 6."

That's what you said Red Flag 2 implied. And Red Flag 1 defines red as the combination of the other six. Not NO trait, ALL traits.

"If the red hosts develop a personality out of the 6 then they keep their red soul."

..One of the six (or seven) is going to be dominant.

"Basically for me red soul is the one everyone is born with"

Perhaps. We're all born with determination, and it takes us a while to expand our other traits.

"Like a personality's development?"

It has to be applicable to the red SOUL as a WHOLE. It should be abke to be applied to generally ALL red SOULs.

"Actually being yourself isn't specific to red is also correspond to the other traits as since their hosts always use the tactics that correspond to their soul to reach their goal, they "continue to be themselves"(the soul is the "culumination of one being") ."

Yes, the other traits use that. And what is red again? The combination of them all.

"So I don't think its red soul trait, plus I know why only red would have two separated and different functions while others traits dont. plus the ball game doesn't say "by being yourself regardless everything you reach your victory "but literally that Frisk continue to be themself in the case this is a tactic to win that correspond to red they would say so."

Ball Game has no way of knowing which is truly your SOUL color, though. So, there SHOULD be two of every flag if this is the case.

"Plus Frisk used the same tactics to win than for the first flag, so its doesn't seem like they changed any tactics(after all the game is about what tactics each trait use to win and what colour correspond to a trait)"

Same applies to every other flag.