Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31981697-20170722123329/@comment-32182236-20171021010538

Pretty sure we'll crack immortality by 2060. The Singularity will likely play a HUGE part in this. Toby could live that long. Of course, as you said, and I said, the entire argument about the game being Undertale because it represents Toby falls apart, as this isn't even the real Toby.

You're correct about you being allowed to bend it if and only if there's no fact/evidence nailing it down. And that's what I'm here to argue-There IS no evidence nailing down the "fact" that the Annoying Dog is Toby. None. Show me proof within the game that the Annoying Dog represents Toby, and I'll change my viewpoint. I don't see any real proof. You mention the items in the room, but they too can be explained by this being a somewhat normal dog. A dog statue of the Annoying Dog? That's more like evidence AGAINST Toby=Ann. Dog-That's not a trait of Toby. The rug with holes in it? It's just a regular room, a rug is not important. The computer and game I've already explained-The dog indeed designed a game by barking at a screen-But it wasn't the world they are now within. And the rope? I see no real connection there. Neither do I notice a connection with the jigsaw pieces, and the bad internet posts do not pose as evidence that this is Toby. We have no reason to assume that it is, and as I said earlier, even if it was, it's an AU Toby at best, considering the clear discrepancies-Therefore, the game could be another changed element of this AU.

As for Asgore, what's to say he didn't lose his horn? Monster bodies are mostly composed of magic, therefore, the horn regenerating latter on isn't nearly as far-fetched as it would be with our animals. There's also the possibility that this boss monster was actually Asgore's father, who later gave the trident to Asgore. This is actually one of the simpler "inconsistencies" that can be explained-It really isn't that important-In one case, it only tells us something we already know, and in another, Asgore's trident wasn't exclusive to Asgore... Yay?

I'm convinced the entire ROOM doesn't really tell us much information. If we can both agree on one thing about the room, it's that it's not important. Sure, I argue that it happened, but... how much of the story does that really change?

Really, when I say evidence shouldn't be discarded, I just mean that-If a piece of evidence contradicts the theory, you don't just say the evidence is wrong and the theory is right. You either explain the evidence under your theory (The WHOLE thing. Don't contradict even one line, or the theory you're trying to defend), or you give up the theory. Here, there seems to be no evidence that the dog is Toby, and plenty of evidence against it, and therefore, the only "evidence" that the game in question is the game we're currently playing isn't even evidence.

There are no paradoxes in Undertale. Only incorrect theories that lead to our own paradoxes, that WE'VE created by taking a wrong step-Just like how incorrect theories in the real world can lead to paradoxes.