Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31536324-20190117214835/@comment-27136653-20190213064012

Then he was doing so for his own amusement

So... when he's not bored, he doesn't talk to you about you doing nonsensical things? He even called us out for trolling him once. Imo this also fits that category. And once again, the shock comes from Frisk undoing their own progress, since that doesn't help either one of them. Doubly so when their soul is already automatically refusing. In other words, it is redundant. Even better, doing it after the battle is over should be regarded as an over the top troll and betrayal.

''Am I seriously going to have to forbid anything Toby related from this thread? Because this is just ridiculous. Calling a man's skills into question just to validate a point you have, really?''

It's a part of the equation.

I guess any part of the monster that's detached before death doesn't fade to dust.

And after? To my knowledge, there is no change regarding the fur after Toriel dies.

And what are these "if-else" statements?

Exceptions to the rules we raise. If we remove these exceptions, we will get a better overall theory, in theory.

No, that's not that at all, and I still fail to see this imaginary plot hole that you've deluded yourself into believing exist.

The core principle is, that by all means of logic, we shouldn't have the reload ability in that battle. So I think the fact that we have it is a plot hole. Not only we couldn't escape OF the same way, the game also didn't expect us to do this (like in the OF fight), it expected you to finish the battle, by making it all cheerful and everything. And if Frisk truly did have this ability, it means they've somehow overpowered seven human souls, which I find just ridiculous. Even if soul power isn't DT, I still find it ridiculous. I mean, is the battle really worth anything, if we've basically won it beforehand? I think this is not what Toby meant. He meant to create a battle, where we aren't winning, but win by convincing the "villain" to stop. That's what was going on here. That's the feeling it's giving me. It's so strong it's even overpowering the "evidence" you have against this. You may label this as a head canon, but I prefer to think about it as correctly analyzing the meaning and message of this battle.

Except he does know he's not in control, he literally says it.

Then why is he fighting you? Besides, he doesn't say he's not in control, he says he's not in FULL control yet. Which is implying he already holds some control. What control is he holding then, according to you?

I have no idea where you got the idea that he didn't.

Because I never said any such thing. What he had as OF? I think he has it in this battle too.

The other traits.

Well thank you that's literally all I wanted to know. So, SP = DT + X, where X is the collective power of the other traits. Gotcha.

''I did: take out the double meta meaning and you have a basic cosmic horror story set in a world based out of intelligent design. Simple.''

Yeah. That's what I still have a beef with. That this "meta" stuff, that cannot be found in our own universe, is actually real in this one. I mean, it does imply a simulation that way, or as you've put it, an intelligent design, and I'm not in favor of this idea, because I don't feel like it is. It's certainly not the game's core point, so it seems like a redundant assumption to me.

This is exactly why so many people hate Glitchtale. Because it's focusing on these mechanics rather than what Undertale actually highlighted.

Meta is things refrencing other things outside the material and medium.

I'm mostly using that word to label the things which would otherwise seem as just your standard RPG mechanic which are not actually literally canon... except they are here. Which is what I mean when I say that the "meta is canon."

Now you're just grasping for straws.

Yes. Because everything is connected to everything else. My theories are correct only if all their subparts are regarded as true. Same with yours. We have found explanations for the game which form one cohesive system. So straw man arguments are pretty much the norm here.

''THANK YOU, THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR! FINALLY!''

yw

He had access to his own SAVE, deleted Frisk, and LOADED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FIGHT AND HIS OWN DEATH ANIMATION!

He still didn't demonstrate the reset ability.

That makes no sense.

Calling the entire game a head canon by calling one small thought about it a head canon also makes no sense.

The Pacifist ending outright names Frisk, showing that he's notthe character that we named.

That just means that the save file belonged to Chara. It doesn't prove the existence of the player.