Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31371445-20170222233857/@comment-27136653-20180724084035

"First off: Wouldn't the fact that your soul isn't that of a monsters be an indicator that you're human?"

Indeed. Though, maybe many of the monsters simply don't know how a human soul looks like. Though, many of the royal guards recognize you before a battle even starts. Nonetheless, there's plenty of indicators that we're a human and yet, as I said, it seems like no one ever bats an eye. It's not obvious, it's amazing that a human is walking among them again after such a long time (according to Toriel).

"They are the ones attacking you, why would they run?"

They are not attacking us, that's how it looks to us. If Toriel said that, that may simply mean she knows what monster attacks do to humans. I refuse to believe that all the monsters are acting hostile towards us and want to kill us. As was said, they use magic to express themselves. What we walked into may have simply been them talking to each other, or trying to talk to us in this way.

"People die in fires despite using fire safety techniques, what's your point?"

Monsters aren't trapped. They can run away from the fight, can they not? Unless you're suggesting their freedom is left to our mercy of sparing/fleeing. In which case, again, why did they not notice this? What sort of power would be able to restrain them in such a way? And if the monsters know how dangerous this is, be left to the human's mercy, why did no one tell the monsters to stop roaming around? You don't know if the human is going to stay merciful up to the very end.

"He did exactly what you said to do: list artificial/artificial-looking rules from our world. Now it's YOUR TURN to prove how they are not artificial or artificial-looking."

You've got the burden of explanation backwards, ignoramus. If I were to walk up to you and tell you that the Earth is flat, you wouldn't be obligated to prove me wrong, I would be obligated to present a proof of my claim.

And so, kindly present an explanation of why do you think those rules imply our world is a simulation, anyone.

Also, when it comes to Undertale, I see it all very simply. Is it not true that everything we see on the screen is canon to the game? The HUD in all of its glory - the menu screen, the turns, the buttons, and so on. Those things can be found in many other RPG games and yet, Undertale seems to be one of the first ones to fully endorse its existence. Ergo, it endorses the idea of the world being an artificial game.

It makes much more sense for the world of UT to be a game, rather than a world with its own physical laws shaped in this specific way. Because a game is already fully explained: it is governed by some root code, has a creator, and its limits are known - meaning it is fully explored, fully defined. If it was a world, the explanation of how the world works (e.g. physical laws), or even evolved to be in this state would be missing. We would be missing a link between the point of creation and the present day, if this was the case as you are saying. And yet, you choose to simply shrug it off.

I'm sorry but I simply cannot accept an explanation that is incomplete. I cannot accept that the UT world is based on some concrete physical, universal laws, without a LOGICAL explanation. Though frankly, the difference between our world + magic and our world + magic where an HUD exists is as great as the difference between the former and simply our world without any magic whatsoever. It almost seems like the only sensible explanation is that the HUD has always existed, and simply waited for humans to evolve, so that they could gain souls and so that it could latch itself onto the being with the most determined soul.

Which implies an intelligent design, as THA said. However, my note still stands in that case, that the monsters are being mind-controlled by the HUD to not think anything of it. But... it's never mind control! Never assume a conspiracy! I have simply crafted this theory to mock your beliefs. So, how do we explain this without mind control? Perhaps by saying those monsters aren't real, since you cannot mind-control something that isn't even alive? Which spirals us back to the idea that the entire world except for Frisk is simulated.

See, no matter how I look at it, the artificial element persists. I cannot get rid of it without completely crossing off the HUD. And so, that's what I choose to believe, that the HUD is not canon. Yes, Toby said it is. And so am I; all I'm saying, is that its effects are real. But to the people inside the game, it looks different than to us. We see it as an HUD, they see it as completely normal, mundane actions. No buttons, no invisible attacks, no turns, none of that nonsensical nonsense.