Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31371445-20170222233857/@comment-32182236-20171217133136

"It's not convincing? It's straight up proving so."

...It really doesn't-But it's not for some of the reasons that people have said before. Before we get to my counterargument, let's go over why the common ones just don't work.

Some say Toriel remembers the RESETs because Flowey reset. Now, the lifespan of a flower is only about a year-When Flowey was brought back to life as a flower with determination (The flower died, because it didn't just live for centuries, that's not how flowers work), it merely came back to life. It can still die again, and would within a year. So, the odds that he saw another human are quite small.. Now, some would argue that a small chance is still a chance-Perhaps, somehow, ALL six humans who fell just so happened to fall within the same year as Frisk. (I calculated the odds.. It's somewhere around 1 in 10^16.) Well, there's a second piece of evidence. If Flowey saw them before, he'd try to take their SOUL like with ours, and if he had the power to SAVE and LOAD during that time, he would succeed. This, therefore, is not a valid argument.

So, if Toriel feeling familiarity with the fallen children isn't due to Flowey resetting, then what is it? Did some humans with determination SOULs SAVE and LOAD on the Surface, causing this to happen? Definitely NOT. If the humans could SAVE and LOAD on the Surface, then why didn't they reload to save the lives of those who fell down Mt. Ebott? They know that it takes seven SOULs to break the barrier, and that every human that falls gets the monsters one step closer to breaking the barrier and reigniting the war, or gives them the chance to cross the barrier like with Asriel. So, this explanation just doesn't work.

So then, why does Toriel feel like she already knows the humans who fell? The answer, is Chara. When Toriel sees another human fall, and puts them under her care, it reminds her of when she did this with Chara. She feels like she's done this before.. Because she has. Each of the humans acted the same way.. They all had the same fate. They came... They left.. They died. That, is the reason behind her familiarity.