Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-27677820-20160131035943/@comment-25799546-20160224144217

I agree wholeheartedly to Thunderwolfx17's view. Regarding to the stuff in the post by SilentWalker...

(Please do be advised that I intend to destroy, or at least attempt to destroy, a few quite established theories.) ''And, to me at least, that didn't change. If Flowey can't keep the furry form that's because his soul is gone for good, and he is not himself without his soul. As someone said before, borrowed temporary noble feelings won't do. ''

-In the game, there were only six known cases of artificially injected DT, which were the Amalgamates and Flowey. In the case of the Amalgamates, although they had already regressed to a partial bestial state(Attacking the protagonist for food), their emotions could still be seen. (The unnamed Amalgamates tucking Frisk to bed, for a lack of better example). Yet, many people assumes that Flowey does not have a soul(And therefore no emotion), due to the fact that monster's souls are (seemingly) lost forever on death. But, this brings us to another question. Then how can Flowey transform to Asriel? (Hyperdeath form or normal form) If Asriel's soul is absent, then when Alphys injected the DT into the flower, she would only get a talking flower(Or worse. No effect.). Some essence of Asriel must be in there in order for Flowey to eventually transform to Asriel.(Unless you argue that True Pacifist Ending Asriel is a fake.) How then? My theory is that monsters souls are tied so closely to their body that when they turn to dust, their soul (kind of) shatters and stuck with the dust. Yep. This kind of explains the practice of smearing a deceased monster's dust to something to keep their essence there. And as the flower that Alphys injected has Asriel's dust on it, it implies that Flowey does have a SOUL, or at least a partial one. With that in our mind, we now come across another problem. Why does Asriel undergoes such a huge personality change when he transforms to Flowey, if it wasn't because of a lack of SOUL? And why did Asriel says that he cannot maintain his form without the borrowed SOULs? I think it is possibly the environment. (And possibly Chara's influence. But I'm not sure about that...) Flowey is shown to be able to do good. At the first, he managed a few runs of the game as a good guy. 'And he never said about his feelings on it. We never knew if he felt loved or not. And Flowey referring Asgore as a "stupid old man" may already be a few hundred, or thousand timeline resets later, when Flowey had already became numb to emotions. 'But he knew he could RESET, and so he began experimenting for excitement. At first, killing people(monsters)is fun, but it slowly became boring. And as Flowey know that when you kill people(monsters), they always come back, he gradually lost his sense of remorse.(It is like a Choose-Your-Own-Adventure book. When you got the good ending, you will eventually explore the options which leads to a bad end, no matter how high your moral standard is. The real world has just became a sandbox for you to play in.) And due to the fact that he is killing everyone, monsters began to treat him with hostility, and soon Flowey just forgot how to love someone. He convinced himself that he doesn't need another person to love him, as he has all these wonderful possibilities in front of him. And he can always reset anyway and the other monsters would forget everything. (Another example: Would you love your average FPS soldier? I don't think so. You expose him to dangerous situations just to get that one more kill. The pain he may have felt doesn't matters anyway! He would regenerate his health or respawn, and that's all that matters!)Then life started to become meaningless as nothing new appears, having exhausted all of the possibilities. Until Frisk came. Then he suddenly had someone to play with. Someone new. In the God of Hyperdeath fight, when you save the Lost Souls, Asriel could feel the love between you and the other monsters. It reawakened the part in Asriel that longed for love and caring, and so the protagonist is able to convince him to stop fighting. By showing him some love. Of course, there is no everlasting goodness in anyone, as said before, but one can fall from grace and then repent. They could still be good and also loved by others. It's all about perspective. SPECULATION TIME!!! So it might be entirely possible that Asriel, having returned to his flower form, to still retains his soul. It was always there, be it incomplete, and through the protagonist's actions, it should have reawakened the good side of it. Canon never stated how Asriel/Flowey fared after the conversation with Frisk. (Although Asriel's soul is extremely likely to be incomplete. That is why he need the other souls to maintain his goat form.) Anyway, just some food for thought. Hope you enjoyed my interpretation. *bows*