Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-32182236-20190716003715/@comment-32182236-20190813233147

I just call it the HUD. Undertale never gives it a name.

I don't think we should assume there is a player just yet. There's no reference to said player.

In fact, I'd say if there is a player, Frisk is canonically the player. And Flowey was before Frisk. But of course, I don't think there's a real player.

Flowey had his own HUD as well. He's aware of it too.. He said that "he already CHOSE that name" if you try to name the fallen human Flowey. So Flowey also entered in a name for the HUD. He's used it before us.

This is also why he's able to see it under Flowey's World, and destroys the box, somehow deleting the SAVE with it.

I don't see how the mystery room proves anything. And the hacker ending is quite questionable when it comes to canonicity.

If the hacker ending is canon, one of two things must be true

1-Frisk exists outside of Undertale, and has the ability to contact the developer of the game (as Sans tells Frisk to do just that.) They can also hack.

2-The player is canonically not Frisk.. And Sans knows this.

So, if we can prove that both of these are false, then the hacker ending is ruled non-canon by process of elimination.

Now, Frisk is the one who has LV-Not the otherworldly player. Because Frisk is the one harming monsters, and isn't damaged as much. So when Sans talks about Frisk's high LV... He means Frisk. Not the otherworldly player of option #2.

But we're the ones making Frisk kill. Why is Sans judging Frisk?

Maybe if you have some defense, I can hear it, but right now, I'm eliminating option #2.

So what about option #1? That Frisk is in fact the dirty hacker?

Now, we can't just rule it out by saying that Frisk falling makes no sense.. We see Chara fall, but we never actually see Frisk fall. Chara theorizes that the flowers broke Frisk's fall, because there's no other way that Chara knows about for Frisk to arrive. It could also explain why Frisk never answered Asriel's question about climbing Mt. Ebott-They never did climb the mountain after all.

...But, we have to ask ourselves-Why did Frisk come to the world of Undertale?

...There is a way to completely avoid the question, however. It could be that these abilities come from the player in general-Meaning Flowey could hack the game before Frisk did-Explaining his LV of 9999. But then.. Why didn't he just make his HP infinite as Photoshop Flowey so he couldn't be beaten?

...So far, I'm ruling that the Dirty Hacker Ending isn't canon, as these aren't questions I can answer. But I do encourage those of you who think you can find answers to these questions to think of them. Who knows, you might be responsible for putting it back into canon!