Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-32182236-20170602170443/@comment-32182236-20180118234042

2)"Given the monsters' relatively peaceful nature, diplomacy would've easily worked (evidence is their treatment of Chara when they fell down - despite being imprisoned for millennia due to humans Asgore treated him like a son - only with personal tragedy did he declare a war that he regretted anyway) and peaceful segregation could've been done with magicians working to create barriers around both populations"

There's a difference between treating a human by their kind and all going into a mountain. Pretty much all the monsters are trying to get out. Also, perhaps, if we believe Asgore, there are THREE monsters who not not wish to destroy us all. But that's still three out of EVERYBODY.

"It's not logical to suggest that 7 humans could create a powerful enough barrier to keep such a powerful being out as OmegaFlowey/Asriel only barely able destroy it and yet 7 billion humans couldn't combine their powers to fight back against one if there happened to be no barrier"

They can't "combine their powers" to defeat the enemy. Closest you can do with that is just attack at the same time, but that's the same as one human attacking twice per turn. They don't gain the power of two SOULs. After all, Asriel had the power to destroy all the villagers with 'one SOUL. One soul was enough. Only reason why he died was because he refused to fight. What if he didn't refuse? Well, humanity would be dead, that's what.

"The fact that Frisk has impressive powers of SAVEing i.e- time manipulation- with just determination, and is more powerful than anything except the beings with multiple souls underground, despite presumably not being a magician and being a just a child, shows that even non-magician humans have great power that they could combine to help defeat any threat"

They could defeat any threat.. Except for being with multiple SOULS-for example, ANY MONSTER that had absorbed a human SOUL.

"and the fact that the human souls could work together to defeat OmegaFlowey and overpower his control shows that human souls can work together in combination, regardless of magicism status."

All they managed to do was individually break free from Flowey's control. And without the SOULs, Flowey's back to just being as powerful as he was BEFORE becoming Omega Flowey-Hence his defeat. Asriel Dreemur's a better example, and shows that when the SOUL power absorbed reaches that of seven SOULs, humans can not longer break free and revolt-The humans were unable to revolt against Asriel, Asriel had to end the fight by himself. Seven's the magic number. So.. I've developed a way that a monster could destroy us all-If I can think of it, W. D. Gaster could have thought of it:

1:Attack some humans at night.. Innocent ones too, for crueler humans would have higher attack, as shown by the Snowdin Library.

2:Absorb one.. just ONE SOUL..

3:Wipe out six more humans (pretty easy at this point)

4:Absorb their SOULs, and with seven SOULs, become a demigod.

5:Profit! Well, profit in EXP and the fact that you can now destry humanity.

"The Asriel with Chara Soul example is him against a village-hardly a representation of how strong all the magicians in thr world working together would be, and they still managed to injure him to death. If he was much more powerful, he could have easily restrained them or blocked their attacks, but the fact they could injure him with fatal wounds suggests the power disparity wasn't huge."

No, they could only injure him because he refused to fight. He was conflicting with Chara, and as a result, his movements were likely.. well.. clumsy, to say the least. Think about it-It was like Asriel and Chara shared the same body, one wanted to fight, the other not. ...Yeah, I don't think Asriel bloced it-He did not want to fight. And that's another thing-When a monster does not want to fight, their defense will drop. That's ecactly what happened to Asriel. (Also happens to Toriel-That's why you can kill her in one hit if you attack her after she stops attacking) So.. What if he DID want to fight?

"You don't think a human could've done similar experiments to Alphys, leading to a soulless being with determination, who like Flowey CAN absorb multiple souls?"

The human who did the experiment wouldn't gain any power. It'd backfire just like with Alphys. How would creating a soulless being benefit the human doing the experiment? (not the soulless being, the human who DID THE EXPERIMENT)

"Or experimented in removing their own souls to allow them to absorb the souls of many others?"

That's not how it works. Two human SOULs can be combined-After all, Flowey can absorb six just fine. So the reason why a human can't absorb a human SOUL must be different than that-It can't be "human SOULs can't combine with human SOULs".. So, what is it then? You see, the reason why humans can't absorb other human SOULs likely has to do with their body. If it can't be the SOUL, and it can't be the essence (Flowey has monster essence, and can absorb monster SOULs), the body's the only thing left! Besides, what makes a SOUL yours, anyway? So, by removing their SOUL... They'd be like Flowey, but only able to absorb monster SOULs, because they still have a human vessel. This is why Alphys said she needed to find a vessel able to unleash the power of the SOUL. This is also why the human SOUL can't just re-enter the body it left after death.