Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-29788596-20160906011125/@comment-33883848-20200129153353

"Anything can enter through the barrier, but only beings with a powerful SOUL can leave.Does a slash count as a "being with a powerful SOUL"? I don't think so."

But a slash isnt even a being, its a slash...

"So it wouldn't "leave" the Underground. So the attack would be restricted to the Underground itself."

Then why would they call it the "world" then?

"Not because they can. Because they hate humanity.".

Same thing. They hate humanity but killing them is their choice. Not sure that ANY misotrope would take immense pleasure at making babies and children suffer just because they are humans. You cast them as a pure evil sadistic monster while hypocritically claiming that they are not.

"Also, what's to say they won't do something to put all of them in fear at once? There's plenty of things they could do."

Just like they could when they lived on the surface... Oh yeah i remember they are still a 10 year old kiding inabiting another 10 year old kid, there isnt much they can do. Besides, nothing suggest that Chara kill any humans in souless pacifist run, just frisks friends.

"And there's also the possibility that, as I said, they never actually killed the humans in the first Genocide Run, and now they finally get the chance to. Maybe they do plan on just wiping the WHOLE world this time."

Maybe Chara is the reincarnation of hitler trying to revive reinch and erradicate all jews? Maybe Chara is lucifer? Maybe Chara was a legendary demon feared by all humans? Yes everything is possible but unlikely as long as theres no evidences.

"We can't say. But we do know that they took over and X'd out Frisk's friends. And as we both pointed out, Chara can't ONLY want to kill those particular monsters. Yet, they do plan on killing the monsters."

Why? As i pointed out, those are Frisks friends. If they kill them, Chara would ruin Frisks happy ending.

As a result, either:

"Frisk makes it past the Barrier, and thus, so does Chara-Hence, Neutral Runs are fine."

So they dont need to push us towards pacifist run. Also nothing suggest that anything bad happened on the surface in souless neutral endings.

"Since Flowey steers us towards Pacifist in Neutral Endings, Chara has no reason to also tell us to go Pacifist"

Not if you kill him too.

"It is pointless. Yet they still destroy the world in a Genocide Path anyway. Why do they do that?"

"You made your choice a long ago"

They are obseesed with this consequences thing. Besides i wonder how that contradict my arguments.

"It just means they don't ONLY want Frisk's friends killed. They still want Frisk's friends killed, as shown in the Tainted Pacifist Ending "I have places to go".

That still mean they have standards. They are not like "muah muah muahh kilin iz fun muah muah im so evileu killin everi1"

" But that can't be their SOLE goal. They have another one on top of that. I say it's something against humanity, considering both that they nearly declared war on humanity in their previous life, AND that Asriel made it very clear that Chara hated humanity. There's no reason to say they don't still hate humanity. I'd even say the see humans as "the enemy".

So....not only we have to assume that Chara intentionally tried to wage a war, not only that they STILL want to destroy humanity, not only we have to assume that they somehow developed rainbow super powers after their death allowing them to destroy 8 billions humans that they never show througout the game ( besides destroying the world at a strike which seems to be related to their save ability) but we also have to assume that humans are destroyed in souless pacifist run while its not implied, hinted or anything?

"That makes them even MORE of a sadist. Killing them just to make Frisk's day bad?"

Well thats an opinion.

"I guess we both agree that Chara doesn't care for Frisk's friends. Which includes Toriel and Asgore."

Well they are souless so yes and obssesed with the consequences.

"And you still think they're good?"

No im trying to say that they have understable motives besides killing everyone because they hate everything.

"Asriel:Actually tries to destroy the world, killing both humans and monsters.Chara:Eh. Frisk, please save him. Give him mercy. He's a good guy at heart. Frisk:Only tries to kill the monsters, and doesn't even go for the evacuees.Chara:YOU'RE A HORRIBLE MONSTER THAT DOESN'T DESERVE A HAPPY ENDING EVER AGAIN!!!"

This is more nuanced than that. Chara let you to save him to help Frisk to save the world. Besides, he never get his happy ending and turn back into a souless flower living appart from everyone. Saving Asriel was a NECESSITY and that wasnt even permanent, just like Frisk's happy ending that lasts before the end of the credits.