Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20190403163405/@comment-32182236-20190411014128

Now onto Chapter 1.

Whatever the reason was, Chara wanted to destroy her home village, not just collect six souls to free the monsters. Asriel agreed to go along with that plan.. But resisted when Chara changed the plan to a mission of slaughter.

It's Chara's hatred of humanity.

Something in her past in that village caused Chara to want to commit suicide by climbing a cursed mountain. And whatever it was was so bad that Chara lied to Asriel about her plan, thinking she could still pull it off without his consent.

I've had to explain this to several people before... Chara didn't jump, they fell. http://nochocolate.tumblr.com/post/136579644070/chara-didnt-jump

I honestly think Asriel surprised Chara with how well he was able to resist. She did not plan for that.

I think they didn't plan for Asriel actually deciding to resist. As you'll learn later on in this post, I too think Chara was trying to make the humans attack. Just for a different reason than you do.

It’s only when the player physically restarts the game that Flowey Who Remembers pops up, warns us that the power we’re about to use to erase everyone’s memories is the very power we fought to stop earlier (literally the same soul power, too, if our soul is linked to Chara’s), then asks that you do a True Reset (implying that we’ve already done a Light Reset), which will also permanently erase Flowey’s memories.

Flowey does not explicitly say the words "True Reset". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3l4P0sNKS8

"If you DO end up erasing everything... You have to erase my memories, too"-Flowey

This actually implies we HAVEN'T erased everything yet. And in fact, we can just load our SAVE file afterwards, so no, we didn't reset a thing.

Then Flowey calls us Chara, and says goodbye. And then we get the menu screen.. With creepy Chara-like music playing in the background as we consider erasing everyone’s happiness to do a No Mercy run.

The entire conversation was to Chara, not the player. What makes you think he was talking to us, Ferret? If it's the fact that we hear it, remember that Chara is the narrator, and just as they hear what we hear, we hear what they hear.

Just as nobody knew what actions were Asriel's and what actions were Chara's when Chasriel was created, Frisk's actions are indistinguishable from Chara's. Flowey would have no clue if Frisk was the one resetting, or Chara.

Asriel is still about in Deltarune. And he’s still in the Underground. The world may have been warped, along with time, but the people we’ve met before are still there. And Asriel is one of them. He hadn’t faded, years later.

Deltarune is an alternate world, not a sequel, Ferret.

Flowey wasn’t able to take soul power from Toriel and Asgore, because he wasn’t a boss monster child in that form. It’s only when Flowey uses the godlike power of 7 human souls to restore his original body that he becomes a boss monster child again, and Gerson’s lore about Boss Monsters transferring soul power to their kids kicks in again.

But even then, Asriel isn't THEIR Boss Monster child, he's just a Boss Monster. Asriel's original body is dust-The new Asriel is just the flower, but transformed.

It all fits perfectly together. And I can’t see any other reason why Gerson’s “Is Asgore a Goat” dialog would exist other than to set up this situation.

It's to explain how Asgore and Toriel have lived for this long. Just like how Toriel mentioning that Asgore could have took one SOUL and crossed the barrier is Toby Fox clearing up a potential plot hole.

Her soul was damaged, before she even arrived in the Underground. That’s why it took so much trouble and energy and love to heal it in the end in the Asriel fight. And once her soul was healed, it was able to fully express compassion again.

How do we know her SOUL was damaged, Ferret? And what makes you think we saved Chara? I'm fully convinced we saved Asriel, not Chara.

And from her “...” response to seeing the family pictures, and Serious Mode when encountering members of the Dreemur family, Chara did feel a *hint* of some alien feeling in these moments. Some spark of compassion like a damaged spark plug that springs to life and fires intermittently if given enough of a charge.

Flowey still missed his parents, and wanted Chara, considering them a friend, even though he was soulless. Without a SOUL, you can't feel love, but that doesn't mean you can't be compassionate. You just lack the feeling. Chara is likely the same way, being Soulless themselves. (Hence why they can take Frisk's SOUL.)

Something HURT Chara, before Undertale’s story even began. She wasn’t born that way.

Why can't they be like some of the people who hate humanity in real life? Or, since monsters exist and were banished, what if their hatred stemmed from the banishment of the monsters? That'd explain why they climbed the mountain.. They wanted to help the monsters fight back against the humans..

And I think we’re going to find out what it was in the future episodes of Deltarune.

Deltarune is not the same world as Undertale! If we're going to find out about it, it'll be in the mystery Kickstarter game.

She might have figured that her soul could still overpower Asriel's. Or perhaps, on being attacked by her people, AGAIN, she just went feral and lashed out anyway, throwing consequence to the winds.

Or, they expected Asriel to actually go along with it.

I still find it odd that Chara asked Asriel to carry her body back to the village. If they were going to go digging up human souls in the graveyard, or performing a surgical strike to kill *only Six* humans before returning, in both cases lugging that body around would be a hindrance.

Right. They wanted the humans to attack. But why? That is the question.

I still think her instructions to carry her body back to the village were a premeditated attempt to trap Asriel in a situation where he had to fight.

Oh, you're so very close! Yes, it was to get Asriel to fight! Yes, it was a trap! But there's something more! Answer me this:Why did they mention their hatred of humanity? Why did they talk about being strong, and killing the six? And what was the one thing that Asriel "learned" from Chara after this event?

What was Chara trying to teach Asriel about the world? About humanity?

They wanted Asriel to see human nature for himself. They were going to finally answer the question of why they hated humanity. They were expecting this horrid revelation, combined with the fact that they were about to die, to convince Asriel to kill of the humans, and to get Asriel to agree with the next phase:Actually killing off ALL of humanity. But they never got that far.

After the fight, the healed Asriel was able to feel the love of all the other monsters within him. But not before.

It's as I explained. It took him getting reminded about that compassion to be able to properly use it.

The fact that Flowey has the human-like powers of Saving and Loading, yet can feel every emotion except the strange absence of Compassion, looks like a label on his soul that says “This is Chara’s soul, still persisting after death”.

The SLR powers are a result of Flowey's injected determination. Nothing more.

If both of the original souls were still there, there should still be Split Control inside Flowey. But now there’s only one voice inside him. Only one soul.

And I'm saying Chara's SOUL is gone as well. Asriel had no SOUL. Period. Chara's the narrator. Their essence is within us.