Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-29788596-20160906011125/@comment-35806478-20180607065757

Well, here are my two cents on this whole discussion. More specifically, Chara is probably not a demon. (I already typed this entire thing out once, but I hadn’t created an account at that point in time. Hmph.)

Firstly of all, let me address a common argument for this. Sure, demons are, in fact, known for SOUL trading. And sure, no normal human can absorb another human soul. But this argument falls flat once we take a look at Flowey. Flowey, in the Asriel Dreemurr fight, absorbed both the 6 human SOULs and all of the monster SOULs. How is this possible? Flowey is soulless, having only been brought alive via determination. Much like how Chara was revived via Frisk’s determination.

Secondly of all, Chara did not poison Asgore on purpose. If they had known that buttercups were poisonous before they poisoned Asgore, they could have executed the plan before ever making a butterscotch and death pie. “Ah, but that means that Chara did it so they could enjoy Asgore’s delicious pain!” Well, as has been pointed out earlier, freeing the monsters would have likely caused another human-monster war; this time with no monsters left alive. However, if there was another boss monster fighting alongside the monsters, there could have been a slim chance for some humans to be killed. And besides, Asgore’s face when he realized the entire monster race would go extinct would be priceless, wouldn’t you say?

Thirdly of all, Chara could have possessed Frisk’s body at any time, but chose not to. There are several times in the genocide route where (supposedly Chara) slowly walks towards someone they (probably) intend to kill. However, I ask the question, “What is it that allows Chara to possess Frisk?” “''Obviously, it’s LOVE. That’s the answer that makes the most sense.''” Right, but you have to consider that LOVE itself is not power. LOVE is “a measure of your capacity to hurt.” That definition probably refers to both physical and emotional capacity to hurt physically or emotionally, but with monsters, physical and emotional capacity to hurt are the same thing. Since Chara doesn’t get super swole and buff during the genocide route, that means that their emotional capacity to hurt is what is allowing them to possess Frisk’s body. However...to me, that sounds a lot like DETERMINATION is letting them possess you. Except, that’s impossible. Chara is soulless, and unlike Flowey, they never recieved determination after their death. So, they can’t have determination to take over Frisk. “Well, Chara could be using Frisk’s determination to take over!” That does sound pretty reasonable; under this system, Chara and Frisk get a 50/50 split of the body. But that implies that Frisk doesn’t resist Chara’s takeovers, which begs the question of, “Why does Frisk let Chara take over at specifically these moments?” They have no reason to, after all. So all this implies that Chara could have taken over Frisk’s body whenever they wanted, but they chose not to. “But you see, killing is all the funner when you don’t have to go through the hassle of actually killing things.” That could be true, however...Chara doesn’t take over in the pacifist route either. And there are multiple instances where Chara is shown resisting Frisk’s actions; for example, “Hey now. You aren’t made of money.” “Well, maybe all of the actions we think are performed by Chara are actually performed by Frisk!” Hmm. That’s an interesting spin on things. That would imply that the reason that Flowey’s begging for mercy doesn’t work is not because Chara never cared for Asriel, but it’s because Frisk doesn’t care for Asriel in the slightest.

Anyways, those are my thoughts on this discussion.