Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-30088034-20170108152544/@comment-30088034-20170110014410

T O WILDKITTENOh boy here come opinions and a needlessly long post - I'm probably restating what others said but whatever. 1. if chara gets awoken by the protaganists determination, then why does he only interfere in the genocide run. couldn't he screw up the neutral/pacifist ending?

Actually, if you do True Pacifist after completing Genocide, they DO interfere with the ending! But before that. In Genocide, Chara says they were confused when they first woke up, and that Frisk's guidance showed them their purpose was power (and by extension, that Asriel was wrong to spare the humans) - so Frisk probably taught them mercy in Pacifist, and that Asriel was right. It's very heavily implied Chara is the narrator in all routes, too - among other things the narrator knows what Golden Flowers are, completely freaks out when Asriel shows up, and says "if you lay down here, you might not ever get up" about Chara's deathbed. Also, I think it's them moving Frisk's body in all cutscenes, not just Genocide's, but no proof for that. I did say opinion time.

but if Chara liked killing and all that, then why does she control you when you do genocide, but lets you do your own thing in pacifist? i thought she liked when people kill?

2. how does chara get awoken in the first place?

Frisk fell on Chara's grave. "Your power (determination) awakened me from death." Also, they both have red souls, might be why Chara didn't wake up when the other humans fell.

ok, pretty simple.

3. flowey mistakes the human for chara only on the geocide run, but on the pacfist run, asriel makes that same mistake. so if asriel got tricked, then why didn't flowey (on a neutral run, like solving all the puzzles)

They're the same person. They both thought Frisk was Chara.

so if flowey/asriel thinks chara is a "good friend" then why does he keep being really mean and trying to kill "chara" (or, who he thinks is chara.) is it because he has no compassion, and only wants to keep him around so he can torture then with the timeline and suff?

4. what was asriel's plan?

You mean in the Lab Tapes, right? Asgore and the rest of the kingdom thought Chara was "the future of humans and monsters", and probably the Angel. Chara hates humanity, for whatever reason. But they love monsters. To free monsters, and at the same time get revenge on humans, they need seven human souls. To simply pass through the Barrier, they need a human soul and a monster soul. Chara has a human soul. Chara has a monster friend who listens to everything they say and "would never doubt them." Chara and Asriel almost killed their father with buttercups. Chara eats buttercups. ...Yeah.

so if chara loved the dreemurrs so much, then why do they just laugh it off when they accidentaly posison asgore?

5. is chara good or evil? because they want us to erase the world when we killed everything, i thought chara liked that?

Uhh. Most Undertale characters aren't just "good or evil". They hated humanity, they wanted to kill at least six humans, probably more, they kept going with their plan even though Asriel was clearly hesitant - but they loved the Dreemurrs. They speak like Toriel. They knit a huge sweater for Asgore. They sacrificed themself, terrible idea, but still, to free said monsters. So, decide yourself, but either way Genocide!Chara isn't really comparable to normal Chara, they have no empathy at 20 LOVE, like Flowey.

wait, does chara has 20 love because of frisk or because they did it themselves? i really don't get how they got 20 love. is it from killing flowey?

6. when you fight asriel, why does he want to reset everything? and then 1 minute later, he wants to keep you around? i don't get asriels motive

He wants to keep Frisk in an endless loop so they'll never leave, because he thinks they're Chara.

because they are best friends right? and asriel still wants to be around chara. so once you reach out and get the flashback, asriel realizes that you are not chara and lets you go? if so, why was she being men to char but nice to frisk?

7. do any of the characters know that asriel/chara even existed? what about the 6 other humans that died? and heck, even flowey? i mean, obviously toriel and asgore know about asriel/chara, and alphys knows about flowey, but what else. also, does anyone know that flowey is asriel? (chara, alpys, etc)  AND does anyone mistake frisk for chara? (sorry, lots of questions lol)

It seems to have been a pretty long time since Chara and Asriel died. So other than their parents I don't think any knew Chara and Asriel personally. They'd have heard of them, of course. Toriel says it has been a long time since the last human fell, too, most of the main cast seem like they've never seen one before. In this timeline, only Papyrus and Alphys know Flowey exist. Maybe some random NPCs. No one knows he's Asriel. The goat parents don't give any sign Frisk reminds them of Chara, but they probably do.

that was clear, thanks!

7. i read a sign in waterfall that said "however, there is an angel that will save us all" is that frisk or asriel

Neither? If anyone, it's Asriel, but the prophecy is never actually completed - Napstablook's soul wasn't absorbed, and Gyftrot stays Underground even after the Barrier breaks, so the Underground never "went empty". And the "Angel of Death" part isn't part of the main prophecy, it's monsters interpreting it in a different way, so it isn't Genocide!Chara either.

sorry, i haven't read the signs in a while, i forgot what the other signs said. i was just focusing on one. they all kinda confuse me. and who wrote those signs? anyone know?

8.  Flowey/Asriel is smart enough to solve all those puzzles to help frisk but dumb enough to mistake frisk for chara? something is fishy........

They apparently look very similar. "- ...So maybe I was kind of projecting a bit.", Asriel says in the epilogue. He might've known if he was honest Frisk wasn't Chara, but he really wanted them to be.

does flowey solve any puzzles for frisk on the genocide route btw?