Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-32182236-20171213151556/@comment-32182236-20171215010909

"I don't see any motive though."

What's Dr. Eggmans' motive to steal the chaos emeralds? What's a criminal's motives for committing crimes? What was Hitler's motive? What was... Jerry's motive? (Yes, I went there. DUN DUN DUN.)

"United states of what exactly? I can make up a land called xxxx, divide it into 5 fictional countries, then unite them and call that the united states of xxxx."

Fair point. But the fact that they both look, act, and operate like humans, and are flat-out CALLED humans means they're probably humans. OUR kind of humans. ON EARTH. The intro even says "Two races ruled over the earth."

"Does the game refer to the humans as "Celts?" It fucking does not. This is all just your headcanon. Actually, if this entire post was meant to be a fanon timeline, then just say it right away, I'll immdiately stop commenting."

I didn't create the post I linked. I'm NOT "Undertale Science." So it's not "my headcanon." If the swords match swords in that time period, chances are, they're swords from that time period. We need to look at this like archeologists. If you want a more "meta" answer, check out GajinGoomba's video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nec7Z8fFls

"I have always told myself that they slept together with Asriel. But I have to be honest, I said this only to find out what your counter argument for this will be, as I am slowly starting to lean towards the possibility that Chara never truly lived in the Ruins too."

Said counterargument is simple-If Chara slept with Asriel in the Ruins, why wouldn't the same be true for New Home?

"Chara fell around the time when everyone was already departing to the New Home. The Dreemurr family was the last one left out of those that wanted to depart (which would actually be a very likely scenario - the highest officials departing last) and Asriel wanted to say goodbye to that place or something, and that's how he found Chara. And so he brought them to his parents, who then healed them and THEN they all departed to the New Home."

That's a very nice headcanon, in fact-It doesn't contradict any evidence to my knowledge-It would explain both the plaques (The Dreemurrs were the last, the other monsters very well could have Waterfall earlier) and Asriel actually heading off to the Ruins. Before, I was already leaning on "Chara fell during the journey", like careful wording of my theory reveals, but now you've strengthened it, and helped clarify it more. It's actually my new headcanon now, a better version of my old one.

"The plaques also say that there are no entrances. Are you sure they were written shortly before Chara's arrival, and not when the monsters were still travelling from the Barrier to the area now-called the Ruins?"

My theory is STILL that the journey you mentioned never happened, and they were banished using the same hole Chara fell in, for some of the same reasons as before:The book mentioning them enduring these harsh conditions on their way to NEW Home, as if they hadn't done this before, the fact that "Far, far, they fled, until they reached the end of the caverns. (Caverns. Not snow forests, not underground, but caverns. Chambers. Caves. It's the end of the RUINS. And home's on the FURTHER end of said caverns. Not right in the room you fell.) The entrance is also facing the hole Chara fell, and not Snowdin-No way the intended way to enter Home was by walking through a basement and then exiting through the entrance!

But now, I have a NEW reason, and this is directly as to why the plaques HAD to have been written during the journey to NEW HOME, and why "fearing the humans no longer" MUST be because the monsters figured a human would never come. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B6gS2LPXdIc5U2pIcGxMQ1NzdHM

"There is no way a human could come here."

They were CERTAIN that another human would NEVER arrive. Therefore, they didn't fear the humans either! So this must be after they "feared the humans no longer", and THUS, after the journey-Remember, they built HOME out of FEAR for the humans-This couldn't have been written during that time when they feared further human attacks.

"Actually, no one could have written that without every crevice of the underground being explored. So that leads me to believe that those plaques were written when there truly was no hole yet, implying that even the hole through which Chara fell wasn't always there."

OR, they looked at the mountain from the Surface as they were getting banished! If there was an entrance or exit, it'd show up on the Surface too! So if there's no hole that's visible from the Surface that one could reasonably get to through the Underground, then there are no exits. Plus, that line may have been speculation that they assumed because, well... There haven't been any humans falling in over a century.

"This also means that the plaques are truly ancient, since why else would the mosnters bother with erecting traps and puzzles, if they didn't fear the humans?" The puzzles in the Ruins were because of fearing the humans. Outside the Ruins, they were made after Asgore's declaration of war.

"So you're saying he built it in a week or something like that? I mean, getting through some place, albeit it being flooded with magma, is still probably much easier than constructing a friggin magical powerplant on top of that magma."

Maybe the CORE was partially built to get to the flat surface that New Home resides on. Not all monsters can fly. Also, it's about 2-3 months. It took nearly the entire year to get from Ruins (beginning of 201X) to New Home (end of 201X). Hotland's a whole third/fourth of the journey. Of course, my stance has somewhat changed-Now I believe perhaps the monsters did walk to where New Home would be, but either A-Couldn't climb the ledge to reach the summit, and thus couldn't build New Home, or B-Couldn't build the capital because Toriel and Asgore were way behind, perhaps still at the Ruins. This gave Gaster more time to build the Core.

"No one had any VHS tapes in the middle ages."

No humans. Monsters are smarter than that. Probably because they don't waste their time for knowledge on creating fictional books or anime. Not a single fictional book can be seen in the entire game, and Undyne doesn't understand that anime isn't real. Asgore, the king, doesn't know what anime is. Monsters don't do fiction, so they focus more on science, and advance faster.

Asgore could have deduced that the previous Royal Scientist was brilliant because of the CORE. It's likely common knowledge that there was a brilliant scientist, as evidenced by the very existence of the Core. It might even be possible to deduce that they were a skeleton due to the mysterious origins of Sans and Papyrus. And yes, you could figure out that their name was Gaster because of the "Gaster" Blasters. That doesn't mean they explicitly remember Gaster. We know space-time exists, but we can't see it. Same idea. The evidence is there, and the monsters could "connect the dots".

"Lay down on the floor and take a moment to contemplate why this statement is totally wrong."

Can you explain the problem? Remember-The exit is one-way. They couldn't have died outside the Ruins and have their stuff put in the Ruins, because of the door being one-way:What leaves the Ruins STAYS out of the Ruins. Therefore, the only explanation is that said stuff never left the Ruins.

"Training accident, all bullets were lost / used up, her parents."

Possibilities, I'll say. But, remember, Undyne's BAD at cooking. Like a child playing with fire.

"Maybe that's what demolished Home, maybe that was also one of the contributing reasons for the relocation to the New Home."

Where's the igneous rocks and lava? Where's the ashes? Why was this never mentioned in the history books?

"And besides, it wasn't just one discovery that led to the invention of cell phones and all that stuff. You must first establish telecommunications. And for that, you need electricity and also lots of background math. And for all of that, you need the industrial revolution to happen."

But each and every one of those discoveries were made by ONE single person, Not a team of millions. Discoveries happen suddenly, not gradually. And when you have someone FAR smarter than Einstein, they could make many such discoveries at a consistent rate. That's why the AI revolution will be the greatest revolution that has ever happened.

"So it was the monsters that killed all the humans... in the pacifist timeline... where... Dude. Maybe you should take a break. You're making less and less sense."

Frisk befriended monsters, yes, but that doesn't stop there from being a dirty criminal or two stealing dead humans' SOULs and becoming like a demigod and go genocide on humanity.

" ALSO, remember when he corrected some person about what Undyne once said? ("PAST Asgore, not TO Asgore") <- or something like that. Well, the game did say that. So if his tweets aren't canon... then... do we have a paradox? Oh noes! Now what shall we do?"

Non-canon things can sometimes be true, but we have no way of knowing without looking at the canon for reference. Glitchtale isn't canon, but Sans is still judging, and Asriel is Flowey. Oh noes, it's not canon, so we have to ignore the canon facts within the same and say Asriel isn't Flowey! /s Think of Toby's tweets just like you would a random headcanon. They're not canon, but they're not "Bizzaro canon" either.