User:Cheeseskates/Blog:Human/Monster SOUL and Physic descriptions relating to an unexplained part of the game.

Hello everyone. Today I am going to talk about something that has bothered me for a pretty long time, so I will just get to the point.

I just want to get a couple things out of the way before I announce the plothole so everyone can understand everything that I explain. The plothole that I have found will be the last category I type, so it won't be hidden with the Dialogue template (I use this to make page navigation easier.)

Please note: If any info that I post here is added to the main articles on the Wikia, please credit me if you found out through this article. I would really appreciate making this blog make an impact :3

1. Human souls vs Boss monster souls vs Monster souls. (TL;DR)
The simple equation is Human souls > Boss monster souls > Monster souls. We can all agree to that.

Now it is time to explain each SOUL type and their traits that have been revealed canonically.

Humans and their souls
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Done the SOUL section. Here are some sources and screenshots accordingly.
Snowdin Human/Monter SOUL info and its respective Wikia page.

Waterfall Human/Monster SOUL info with history on "Humans VS Monsters" and its respective Wikia page.

Further reading on SOULS and determination (True Lab Entries 2, 3, 5, 17 [Alphys and 6.)]

Now for the section to explain Physics, concentration, and how it goes into the undertale world. Don't worry. This section won't be long since I am not too smart on physics, but I do have the fundamentals.

Section 2: The physics behind the games certain events.
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The plot-hole that I have seen is during the segment where Flowey ties the main cast up, lures all the monsters into the room to cheer on Frisk, and then absorb all of the monsters souls. Simple enough right? well, that is the problem. It is never explained how flowey could absorb all the monsters in the underground simultaneously, successfully acquire their souls, and keep every single monster alive. I will put down the content that we are dealing with onto the desk for everyone to read.

Images showing the Evidence.

Human Souls: Frisk (1 Human Soul), and Flowey (6 Human Souls).

Boss Monster Souls: Asgore, Toriel, and possibly Undyne, Sans, Papyrus, and maybe even 'Alphys' (unlikely).

Normal Monster Souls: Muffet, RG 01, a Froggit, Greater Dog, 'Snowdrake', Monster kid, 'Vulkin', and 'Shyren'.

Human Souls in total: 6.

Monster Souls (including Boss Monster Souls) in total: 14

Alright, 1st of all, a single human soul is not powerful enough to absorb 1 monster soul successfully. A boss monster soul is possible, but they need to be executed in order to easily extract that soul type. Frisk proves this because there is no "absorb option." Now it is time for the power ranking and soul amount comparison with flowey and the monster present in the room.

6 human souls (can absorb 1-3 monster souls effectively and successfully) against 14 monster souls, including 2 healthy boss monster souls.

or...

6 human souls against the entire underground (according to the genocide kill counter, that would be 113+ monster souls, excluding Mettaton and Napstablook.).

Looking at the numbers, Flowey is obviously outnumbered, both in POWER requirement and literally. This pretty much means that even with the "power of the human souls", flowey is incapable of absorbing all the monster souls simultaneously to form a soul equal to that of a human soul in order to reform Asriel (his real form). Flowey is more than capable of going genocide and absorbing the monster souls one-3 at a time and definitely achieve that end, but according to the images, it is shown that he is attempting to absorb them all simultaneously, which logically(if what the game teaches us is all we need to know), that method would fail. According to the process, the white out, and the result and speed done, it apparently succeeded, and Asriel regained his form.

After the awesome battle, Asriel released all the souls, which are nice and clean (by that, I mean undamaged due to effective extraction) and he was able to concentrate all that power into destroying the barrier, and returning everything back to normal with the barrier gone. All the monsters are alive as well, holding their respective souls in their bodies, without any change, at all.

Now that that is out of the way, now I want to ask the question. How did flowey, with the method he used with the power that he had that was obviously insufficient to fill the requirement to absorb all the monsters souls simultaneously, succeed in absorbing all the monster souls simultaneously? It makes no sense in the logic that the game has taught us about SOULS, so flowey must've had something to bypass that rule and succeed. What we were shown were flowey with 6 souls against a lot of monsters. that is it. Nothing else, so it had to be something we couldn't see. If that was the case, then that is a haphazard excuse to progress the plot, and this is toby fox we are talking about, a man who thought out even the smallest details for a video game. Even a wall has significance to defining a character. Because of this, I highly doubt toby would make such an excuse for the main story.

If that was the case, then I don't care to be honest. I respect toby fox and undertale enough to not care about something that shouldn't even be of any significance and is rather just a small error that does nothing to the game in whole, that is if it is an unexplainable error. He is only human after all, and every game must have a flaw, and seeing the effort for everything that is in undertale that he has put in, then I honestly don't see if it is a real problem. The only reason I made this blog is because I, at least, want an explanation to fill the whole that was unintendedly left there, which is why I will ask toby fox about this.

If you have read this entire blog, then I thank you for reading. this took over 9 hrs to write, correct, research, and review, and I really appreciate that you have invested your time into this. I hope it was worth it :D

got questions, physic corrections, or any general comment, post below. Again, thank you so much. - Your best pal, Cheeseskates.