Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-32182236-20190721003717/@comment-26006155-20200112220559

Jacky:

Yes, we do know that Undyne somehow has Determination. The interface tells us this flat out, and Undyne dies in a unique melting way similar to the Fallen Down monsters who turned to mesh. She's also, somehow, strong enought to defeat Toriel, who has Asgore's stats. Even though she didn't used to be able to hit Asgore with a single blow, let along defeat him in a pitched battle.

Undyne the Undying definitely exhibited more power than she did in the neutral fight, when her love for Alphys almost saved her, but not quite. She says she can hear everyone's hearts beating https://youtu.be/y-bLD_K9Ayc?t=92 It sound very much like a Goku reference, when he channels the energy of the world into a spirit ball. She's a very anime-esque person.

Sans doesn't just have Determination, he has the full ability to Save and Load, something that Undyne with her 2nd-hand Determination lacks. Flowey, with Chara's human soul, has this power too, as does Frisk. To get his room key, Sans gives us an interview to make sure that 'we're a time traveler, just like he is'. Sans doesn't just have Determination, he must have a real human soul.

As for the Darkeners of Deltarune.. weren't all of them Toys, in the end? Toys for Gaster to play with? They never bleed, we never see one die, and all they are is game pieces once Kris and Susie return from the Dark World. And many Darkeners, like the King, are clear reflections of Undertale's characters, like Asgore. It's almost as if Gaster's Darkest Experiment has turned everyone in the Underground into Toys.. by removing all of their souls.

It might take a while to reverse-engineer Gaster's technology, but Alphys already had a good head start on it. And devices like the Dimensional Boxes have now become commonplace. Gaster's future tech is indeed leaking out into the surrounding world. And even a hint of that is going to change everything.

"Just a genius" doesn't explain how someone could develop tech several centuries in advance of the surrounding world. Now and then, someone makes a breakthrough, but usually they build on the work of other scientists. If Gaster/Andonuts had come from the world above, there would have been signs of his work coming through the trash even before he arrived. But that didn't happen.