Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-28009984-20160319184042



I know it's a bit late, but I've done a bit of research and came up with this, even though it's probably nonsense, I wanted publish it here anyways. So who was this relentless killer? Who could survive getting shot at multiple times with a revolver? Kill a bunch of humans who are stronger than all of the monsters combined and extract their souls? Gerson? Undyne? Sans? This whole theory could be reformed if you reverse the order, but this post would become way too long. Like, If Bravery was actually Gaster (during neutral ending boss battle, the gloves have holes in the middle and a certain symbol, also, Gaster speaks in hands), after his death Sans could've just sold his belongings when he moved in Snowdin. If so, during that battle, he says two letters: 'I' and 'C'. Ice-e? Or as in 'I see you'?
 * So, straight to the point: Papyrus, Sans and Gaster were humans. If you look at the coffin room, you can see the order in which soul owners died:  Chara  -->  Bravery  -->  Justice  -->  Kindness  -->  Patience  -->  Integrity  --> Perseverance  (or reverse if you replace Chara with Frisk).
 * If the first one to enter the underground after Chara's death was  Perseverance, it was most likely for research reasons (heard about the incident with a powerful monster and a human), or through some sort of teleportation failure. That would mean that the purple soul is Gaster.
 * Monsters don't have any technology that humans have, and they don't need it because they have magic. Most of the stuff they get is from garbage that falls underground. But somehow, out of nowhere, suddenly a brilliant scientist appears, who introduces the monsters to technology - he even builds the core. Sounds suspicious? He's either a former human, or someone who traveled there from another dimension. If he's a human, it would make sense that he was Perseverance - he persists surviving even when being erased from existence. His 'torn notebook' contains illegible scrawls. So, moving on, he ends up at the mercy of Gerson, and after some chatting, the tortoise decides to bring him to Asgore and, in exchange of his soul, hire him to find a way to break the barrier (don't ask me how, still haven't finished this theory).
 * Gaster begins his research on extracting human souls, and thus - determination. He invents some sort of way to teleport, but keeps it secret (or only humans are capable enough to endure it). He randomly teleports a second person to the underground -  Integrity  (I mean, what kind of insane madman would hike up a mountain with ballet shoes and a tutu). Integrity runs away, and is clearly chased by someone (hiding in the grass), hides underneath the waterfall and is captured. However, if the order of deaths is reverse, then blue was one of the recent ones. Would explain Undyne's reluctance to attack you while you hide in the grass.
 * The other two enter the underground through the same means as Frisk did. They fall, or climb down the hole and end up in the ruins, where Toriel resides. First one,  Patience, dies by falling down a trap. This later causes Toriel placing a bunch of magical leaves down every trap that involves falling, so this wouldn't happen again. She picks up Patience's knife and uses it for groceries, and lends the soul and body to Gaster. The other one,  Kindness , distressed, leaves the ruins in search of his 'friend's' soul. He, being the kind soul, is sheltered and helped by others, makes it all the way to the lab. Horrified by what he sees there, he tries to run away through the Hotlands, but is cornered and captured.
 * After hearing about two children who disappeared in the mountain, a man with a gun (sheriff?) -  Justice  - tries to go looking for them and possibly catch the kidnapper. Something (or someone), after an intense battle, kills him in the dump (waterfall or some other location, then disposes of the evidence). His body falls down into the abyss, but his soul is captured. His gun and hat remains (later sold by Catty and Bratty).
 * Some brave fool decides to prove his  Bravery  and climbs the haunted mountain only to end up falling in and getting trapped too (or did he?). This time he doesn't even make it past Snowdin. His stuff is sold for some extra cash.

The theory is possible, because, if Flowey can survive and be nearly fully functional without a soul, why can't humans, who produce determination naturally? Monster bodies simply melt when filled with liquid determination, but plants, or at least human skeleton could withstand it without deforming. So, as you may already guessed, Sans is Patience, and Papyrus is Kindness. They fell in together, and their bodies were used to create human-killing machines, but some of their memories (or they repressed them) remained.

Sans - because of the color of his eye, and his never-ending patience towards the protagonist and his brother, never losing his cool, patiently waiting until you finish your killing spree. He turned out to be the weakest of Gaster's creations, possibly because of his lack of determination (passivity), or because the ruins are pretty far from Hotlands. But his patience allowed him learning a lot from Gaster himself (as well as his language).

Papyrus - the strongest, but too kind to hurt anyone, he's the only opponent who will never kill you no matter what you do. Undyne refuses to accept him to the Royal Guard because of this. He loves cooking and has an immense knowledge about pasta (evident by Undyne and Papyrus phone calls in Hotland). He's kind to everyone, even to Flowey, and is basically his only friend. In one of the phone calls, he mentions that he would love to sell fire, and in another - that he dislikes Hotland. 'THE ENTIRE ROOM IS COVERED IN STEAM THINGIES? OH MY GOD, CAN'T YOU JUST TAKE A BUS!?!? HOTLAND STINKS.'

Remaining souls' bodies probably were never found, or didn't endure the experiments. But some of them might not have found peace after that. For example: the mad Dummy - found in the dump where Justice died, wants to avenge his (imaginary or real) friend and shoots you, gets angrier because he constantly misses, then he finally gives up. Mettaton (who is also a ghost) could match Integrity's description. If Gaster is not Perseverance, then Napstablook could take that place.

Some more random facts: if Justice really fell into that abyss, and Alphys watched it through cameras, it would make sense why she was contemplating there when she met Undyne; In the restaurant Sans mentions that he knows what it feels like to really want to go home; Toriel got her phones from Gaster's lab, and the one which was given to Frisk belonged to him personally. According to Entry 17, it's possible that Gaster tried to create a black hole (maybe to stop this 'anomaly', or to create it), and ended up 'scattered across time and space' because of that, and his apprentices' telekinesis powers weren't strong enough to prevent that. Sans still keeps the machine in his house.

Gaster could be related to Shyren.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0.357143em;font-size:14px;line-height:1.42857em;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-weight:normal;">And some more notices: why Sans' eye glow not just cyan, but yellow too - he's an amalgamate of both Justice and Patience. Gaster noticed how great of a fighter Justice was, and that his sense of accuracy would be great for the use of his weapons, but as a monster (and human) he proved too impatient and impulsive. Once he got a hold of both of them (whichever first), he combined the two. So Sans is basically 1:3 Justice and Patience. That is why, when he gets serious, he talks in Sans-Serif font. As you can see, it stands for 'sheriff' - 'You'd be dead where you stand'.

<p style="margin-top:0.357143em;margin-bottom:0.357143em;font-size:14px;line-height:1.42857em;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-weight:normal;">Also, 'a bunch of photos of Sans and other people' in his workshop are most likely photos of him going through different timelines with different people who entered the underground and reached the 'happy ending'. Or, it's the photos of different people he had to befriend and then kill. The badge belonged to the sheriff. The drawing of 'three smiling people' could be Justice, Patience and Kindness (otherwise - Papyrus, Sans and Gaster), obviously Frisk doesn't recognize them because they're human.

<p style="margin-top:0.357143em;margin-bottom:0px;font-size:14px;line-height:1.42857em;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-weight:normal;">Suspiciously, Papyrus, during the date, uses the word 'perseverance' when you press on his legs. Amalgamate? Or was he created by the Perseverance? <ac_metadata title="Random theory (Spoilers)!"> </ac_metadata>