Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31371445-20170222233857/@comment-27136653-20180831022007

MM you should format your responses better.

"Also, you keep assuming that it's all strictly about personality, and not you as a person as a whole."

I meant all of one's mind. If you mean the body too, then I must disagree however.

"If DT can be extracted, then so can the others."

That's true only if DT is a trait. Which we know it probably isn't, considering the only pro argument is Frisk's virtue, and the con arguments are the following: (1) red is apparently the sum of the other traits and also being yourself according to the ball game, (2) all humans could reset, and therefore probably also save and load, (3) humans in general have lots of DT, which could be enough to explain Asriel's battle, aka the culmination of our human determination.

"There's still a multitude of other things that make them different from one another."

Think of my interpretation this way: there are hundreds of psychological traits. The most dominant one, if it is one of the 7, becomes the soul color. If it's a different one, the closest one is chosen. Except, it's not really all about the dominant one. More like, each one is "weighted", and then their sum is extrapolated onto the 7-trait choice, from which one is chosen. This way, all of their personality is considered when assigning a trait at birth.

"All humans have bravery, justice, kindness, patience, integrity, and perseverance as well. What's your point here?"

That if they could do the same as Frisk, the only incredible thing that Frisk did SOLELY thanks to their special trait was win against a boss monster that was basically giving them the victory (wow), cried for help and the other souls miraculously answered them (wow!), and managed to self-heal or something during the final battle.

Okay, this last one was pretty good. Still, if what is said about humans is true, if they truly have this much DT, they too should have been capable of doing the same thing, were they cast in the same situation. And I am assuming that soul power is DT here, which seems to be the case. (It is merely a correlation, but an undisputed one, so I have accepted it.) Frisk soul never overpowered Asriel, it simply refused death and then convinced him to stop fighting on his own, thanks to a memory from Chara (or perhaps he remembered on his own as well). If it was as powerful as 2 or more human souls, all of monsterkind's souls themselves would never have had to be used. I think their soul was about just as powerful as the other human souls, I think this is what Toby intended. And so, that would make them about as powerful as Frisk, also capable of refusing death in times of extreme determination and hope. In Frisk's case, the hope of saving someone long lost, most likely.

What does that leave Frisk with? The soul that is "determined" ... aka cannot do literally anything else any other soul is already capable of doing.

"And the red flag debunks the "they can't mix" thing, because it practically outright says that red is the mix of all other traits."

And then says something completely else, debunking the debunk. Plus, it didn't say it was a sum, only that with those, we've managed to achieve this one. As in, we first PROBABLY went through all the other flags before we got the red one. I certainly did.

The reason I'm calling it the sum is merely for simplicity. What I actually believe in, is that red truly is the other explanation, that is, "being yourself". And I have pondered on the meaning of that phrase for a long time, before concluding it has no meaning, that Frisk has no assigned trait. Which WOULD make it possible for them to have all the others, paradoxically.

Kinda like a neutron is both a proton+electron, and also a proton without a positron (a + and - combined, or a + removed from a +). Similarly, red is both all the other 6, while none at the same time. A scrap category for souls that don't fit the other 6 categories, in essence.

Keep calling it determination if you wish. It truly could be anything. Just don't go around claiming that the other children couldn't pull off a 'REFUSE', if they were cast into the same situation. Because the evidence, that is, that their souls were just as strong when it comes to soul power, is showing otherwise.

"If your trait is DT, then you firm in your resolve and purpose, and willing to achieve it at any cost. Your willing to continue now matter how many times you fail (perseverance), willing to press on in the face of danger and what scares you (bravery), try again and again no matter how long it takes (patience), stick to your guns (integrity), and care about what you're striving to accomplish (kindness) because you see what you're doing as right (justice)."

Sure, it's a versatile trait. A jack-of-all-trades if you'd prefer.