Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20190820122909/@comment-26006155-20190826162043

Jacky720 wrote: Excellent first point. I'm going to contest #2 and 3 though.


 * Alphys only upgrades Toriel's phone (which presumably came from Gaster Laboratories™) in the True Pacifist ending. That's why it doesn't do texts until then. Unless you have another reason Alphys upgraded it...
 * There are Ruins monsters (Froggit, Whimsun, Loox) in New Home. I don't think it's too hard to imagine there are some Vegetoids as well.
 * ...but the cameras are only present outside the Ruins. You don't need to collude with somebody who consistently stays inside the Ruins to set this up.
 * Papyrus and Sans are the new guys in town. Not that the duration he's been around has that much influence on the timeline situation.

Still... VHS... Interesting. No.. remember the conversation Toriel had with Sans when the 'first met' at the end?

Toriel didn't recognize Sans by sight, but she did recognize him by voice! Once she heard him talk she knew he was The Knock Knock Joker.

And the momenty Sans told Toriel his name, she suddenly knew everything there was to know about Papyrus, and told him his brother Sans had told her so much about him!

Sans was the one who called Toriel to the ending. Alphys knows it, too. She knows Papyrus called everyone except for "(nervous) Her.."

Toriel has already been talking to Sans at length before the meetup. But she never heard his voice in those conversations, or recognized his appearance. She only knew him by his name: Sans.

The only way this works is if Toriel and Sans have already been texting each other for a long time before the meetup. Alphys says she updated Toriel's phone.. but never says WHEN she did that. The assumption is that it just happened.. but that doesn't make logical sense.

Toriel has been texting Sans long before Frisk's journey in Undertale even began.

And somehow.. the key to Sans' room was on the keychain of the phone Toriel handed him, at the very beginning of the game.