Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26347196-20160226031758

I have certain ideas for it, and boy can I wait for any more minute to lay out the brainstorm that I had.

Now, first thing is when I asked the staff team why would Alphys is the creator of Flowey, they said because Flowey was basically an empty vessel, in which Alphys tested determination on. She tested it on the golden flowers (somehow? Need confirmation lol), in where Asriel has died. Thus two things: Flowey was created as an empty vessel with determination, or the ability to SAVE/LOAD, as it is his only trait; and that Flowey retains Asriel's memory.

I was initially going to make a thread about whether Flowey is actually physically Asriel, because Flowey only retains Asriel's memory, probably evident in the Genocide route, as Flowey explains how he have woken up, felt nothing (though this is not really an evidence I need).

Then, I remember this. In the Genocide route, Chara said "Our plan has failed, hasn't it?". And then, in the comment section of Flowey (I think?), they said how Flowey never become a god by absorbing the protagonist's soul. Which an idea came to me, that Flowey only toys around the protagonist and never really try to become a god. And after the ending of the neutral route, Flowey always help you aim to the True Pacifist route. And when you are in the True Pacifist route, a voice (persumably Flowey) said, "Thanks to you, everything went according to plan". However, there's one thing. If you back out of the Genocide route, Flowey said "We were so close to victory!". Now, with all of this messy facts, I have managed to come up with a thoughts, on what kind of plan Chara went. Yes, it is the Post Genocide route.

I think, in a way, Chara and Asriel had planned on. The protagonist is supposed to get through the Genocide route, and when they made a trade of the souls, they were supposed to get through the Pacifist route. Flowey is supposed to guide the player to the Pacifist route, and perhaps not knowing they have to get through the Genocide route first (persumably what Asriel wouldn't want). When the player achieved Pacifist route for the first time, their plan had failed, And Flowey recognized. Then, Flowey warned the protagonist about the one last threat - the Genocide route, either out of the guilt and genuine concern for it, but it ended up tempting the protagonist to go through Genocide route. When the protagonist ACTUALLY go through the genocide route, it confuses Chara, as the plan had failed, yet somehow it went according to plan again. However, once the soul has been trade, '''Flowey's guidance for the protagonist to complete the Pacifist route takes effect. '''The plan is succeeded in the end of the post Genocide route.

I think there are bound to some error holes in this, but I think it's really amazing how events really linked together like this. 