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The monster's source of human tech isn't 300 years behind.

You still don't seem to understand what I'm saying. So I'll say it again, and try to break things down even more.

First off, as I said earlier, the monster year doesn't match the human year. I suppose it's easy to confuse AF with AD, so I'll just change the AF to PF, for Post-Founding. It's less realistic of a name, but I just made up the name anyways, and don't actually know what the name is, so this shouldn't come up as an issue.

For simplicity's sake, I'll say that FP is 300 years ahead of AD-So 1700 AD is 2000 PF-So Chara's fall happened in 171X AD, or 201X PF.

Any references to dates in Undertale use the PF calendar system, because Chara is more fond of monster tradition than human tradition, and all the items we see in the Underground are, well.. Underground. By the monsters. So they'd use the monster's system.

The majority of monsters only had human technology, so when Chara fell, most monsters had 1700s level technology. But Toriel and Asgore were royalty. Pretty sure the technology of the royal scientists would be available to the royals.

So Toriel had a somewhat more advanced phone. By several centuries. She probably would have had an even more advanced phone.. If she didn't already have the modern one. It could be that she never traded in her modern phone for a futuristic one, because the modern one still functions. After all, you probably don't buy the newest model of a phone every time one shows up, but instead wait until your old phone stops working.

Toriel's old phone still works to this day. And she would have gotten it around halfway between Gaster's beginnings as a scientist and Gaster's fall, given where it lies between 1700 and CORE-level technology. (Gaster started where everyone else is. He didn't magically have tech from the future. So he had to follow the natural steps of technology. He was just able to do it far faster than anyone else. You know how Albert Einstien single-handedly created a scientific revolution, creating relativity, in just a few years? Imagine someone who did that.. constantly. Revolution, after revolution. That's Gaster, and why he was able to progress things far faster than what we can do right now.)

But then, Gaster fell. His technology was eventually discovered, but nobody knew how it worked. Once again, try giving someone from the 1600s a modern computer and see if they can figure anything out about it.

So all that there were is the technology from the humans, which followed the humans' path of technology perfectly... And the technology that Gaster himself created.. That couldn't be replicated by anyone, and thus not manufactured.

Since nobody could make more of Gaster's stuff, it would never spread. The only way to get Gaster's technology now would be by stealing it from someone else.

So the monsters had to resort to technology that was at their level of understanding. What they already knew. What they already gathered from humans.

By analyzing the progression of technology, as it was happening, monsters were able to follow the footsteps of human technology, and gaining the scientific knowledge they needed in understanding it. They gradually evolved, using the human technology as a reference. With Gaster's technology still being an outlier, that cannot be replicated, and thus cannot be spread.

Then Alphys came along.

By allowing Hapstablook to possess Mettaton, she was able to convince Asgore into believing that she created a living robot. Artifical SOUL, artificial life. But really, the only artificial thing was the vessel. At the time, it was impossible to create SOUL power artificially. There just wasn't the technology to do it.

Alphys can't be talking about it being impossible in principal, because the idea just makes no sense.

SOUL power is created whenever a new SOUL is, and that happens whenever a new sentient being is created, and we know that happens.

And if it happens naturally, it can happen artificially by replicating the process of it happening naturally.

If SOUL power is a chemical substance like determination is, one can re-arrange the atoms to just make more. If it's a magic generated by the SOUL, perhaps one could recreate it with the correct spell. ...or just repeat the process the SOUL itself does somehow.

It's been said that the supernatural can't exist.. Because if it interacts with the natural world, then it is natural indeed.

While this doesn't fit with how we typically use the word "supernaturally", this is a good analogy.

One cannot say that it exists beyond the natural world, and as magic, cannot exist in the natural world.. If it in fact does. If we look at a "magical" event, and then go backwards in time, retracing the paths that every single particle took.. We'll find the anomaly responsible for it.

Is the anomaly magic? Perhaps it is. But that doesn't mean it can't be studied scientifically.. Or even recreated artificially, if the conditions are right.

So in the same way, if SOULs are created naturally.. Then with sufficiently advanced technology.. One might be able to create them artificially.

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After Alphys became Royal Scientist, she resided in the True Lab-The same lab that Gaster had worked in. This included all of Gaster's entries, which would have remained, and any blueprints left lying around.

Alphys likely took note of what Gaster did, and attempted to follow his discoveries, one-by one. She couldn't just skip to the conclusion, for the same reason why someone in 1600 can't just figure out how a computer works. She'd have to follow Gaster's revolutions, one-by one.

After taking notes of them, she'd gradually replace Gaster's entries with her own entries.

I don't have a theory for what happened to entry 17, however...

It was a long time after Gaster's fall when Alphys became the Royal Scientist. One could even say this happened relatively recently, since Alphys only has 21 entries in total, and the first entry already details her first becoming the scientist.. And them all being about ONE experiment.

And Flowey had to have been born less than a year before the events of Undertale, because flowers can't survive in the winter. Only their children do.

This is why futuristic technology is starting to make a resurgence in Hotland. But everyone else is stuck with human technology.