Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-29788596-20160906011125/@comment-33883848-20190802184224

TheHumanAmbassador wrote: Yeah, even though I think Chara wasn't corrupted, and say that they're quite messed up.. I still consider the idea of the cutscenes being Chara as a bad argument.

You, Frisk, have taken the evil route. Of course your character is going to be evil in cutscenes.

Plus, if this assertion were true.. It'd actually create more problems with the evil Chara theory.

For one, this means that Chara can control Frisk as early on as Early Snowdin. So... why didn't they start killing on their own? Why do they let you spare at this point?

I don't think Chara gained the ability to control Frisk at all until the end of the Sans fight.. And considering that Chara's attack is always a slash, even if you're not using the Real Knife, there's actually evidence suggesting that Chara made this attack on their own, without controlling Frisk. So LV19 is enough for them to start to act on their own, not control Frisk. This could also explain why Frisk can reset after the Sans fight. Something the Possession hypothesis can't explain.

So, as a defender of the "Chara is not good" hypothesis.. That's a bad argument. If these are the kinds of arguments we use.. It's no wonder that the opposition is this strong. It's like if the main argument for heliocentrism was "the sun is divine, so everything orbits it", rather than all the scientific data that actually supports heliocentrism.

So according to Evil Chara theory,to assume that post death Chara is evil ,not only we should make the assumption that the genocide's run cutscnes are by Frisk but also assume without arguments that Chara gain control only if you have a high lv????I find this idea weak honnestly since not only its not implied that love give them control but Chara was be able to control Asriel's body without any lv and the "soulleness"isn't an argument either because Flowey could control his body even when he had no lv and as there's bo reason to assume that there's any difference.And lv is just a measurement of your will to hurt,sure that help you to deal more damages on monsters but that's because they are made of magic and can be affected by your intent