Board Thread:Questions and Answers/@comment-27327020-20160404174206/@comment-30620129-20170408201800

Elvis Adika wrote: Brainifyer wrote: Anyway, I still think Chara is strongest. Erasing/Loading files is 100% due to determination, to any other power. The reason Omega Flowey could erase your file and load 6 at once is that he had more determination than you, he had 6 SOULs full of it. When Frisk entered the underground they erased Flowey's file due to greater determination, now he's doing this to you. Anyawy, if his level was really 9999 his HP would be several million and his ATK so insane that one stray attack would tear reality to threads. So that think is probally false, especially since it would be impossible to kill that many people to level up that high.

Asriel is not as overpowered as most people think. Sure he's immortal and invincible and can control your actions, but he doesn't fight you in some ultradimensional limbo where every dimension has been shattered. Look at the text after the Hyper Goner "The whole world is ending". This says two things. 1)It seems only the world, not all reality, is being destroyed  and 2)It hasn't been destroyed yet.

I believe Chara is strongest because they destroyed the world with sheer strength, they transcend reality and can talk to the player, and they just casually REAMADE THE UNIVERSE. I mean, seriously. Loading a file isn't that hard. If you have the greatest determination it's as easy as pressing "continue". But creating the universe? That's some divine-level power right there. Umm, Flowey did the same darn thing. Flowey literally created entire timelines, and timelines are literally entire Universes with their own time space continuum. Not to mind you, where I come from, making a Universe isnt that impressive. Sure its impressive to you, but after all of my experiences in other Wikis, Universes are such a common but a weak feats nowadays.

There are many reasons on why ALL OF REALITY AND EXISTENCE havent fully shattered in you fight against Asriel. You, a player with nearly limitless determination also has the powers of reality warping and multiversal busting powers, is standing directly infront of Asriel. Which blocks Asriel from fully destroying the world.

Hey, Im tired of arguing here, its already a fact that Asriel is the absolute strongest character in the game. Why do you think his stats are ∞? So you are saying we should just ignore the stats and replace them with, I dunno, 10 HP and 10 Attack Points? Nvm, Im sure you will learn soon enough that Chara, who can create Universes, is nothing compared to Asriel, who is a Multiverse level and Multiverse means ∞ number of universes. So Im gonna get a friend here to argue with ya instead lol He is an Administrator and the head of UT Character pages in a wiki called VS Wiki, a site dedicated to calculating and pin point how strong characters are.

I just dunno how to convince people that Asriel is the strongest UT character anymore asriel is not infinite, Asriel says "I've barely used a fraction of my power!" this was a finite measure, If it was infinite he would say "You realize how much strength I could use but haven't you fool?!" . He does not have infinite power, he is limited.

And lets not forget Chara says specifically in the end of genocide that they are literally the definition of ATK and DEF, which means they could have literally as much ATK and DEF they wanted as they manipulated this concept and were basically it.

"ATK, DEF, etc etc etc, when those rise, that feeling, is me, "Chara""

And this also means: as long as the concept of ATK and DEF exists, Chara being erased by Asriel means they will still live and revive/regenerate.

and the level 9999 thing.

ok look here, flowey creating timelines =/= Chara literally breaking the entire game then bringing it back along with all of it's timelines and content.

And also, Flowey took Frisk's save, so they were at stick and bandage again and LV1. And were able to harm flowey, albeit barely.

And if it was LVL 9999 + the souls (humans are literally stronger than continential level monsters) his ATK would be so high that he would oneshot a bandage and lvl 1 frisk.

lmao Chara would break Flowey and Asriel, + Chara is an abstract existence so...