Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31981697-20170722123329/@comment-32182236-20170828212441

1)How do we know it was final? He changed his mind once, he can do it again and play one last minigame. This would be Asriel's Last Goodbye.

2)The trailer of Undertale reveals the dog is Toby Fox. It's the same dog that we find in the developer room. And once again, what's behind the door? The room and the rest of the game do in fact coexist. The entire game is one coherent story. And the dog, who had witnessed the events of Undertale, set out to make a game.. That we don't know about yet because the game happens in the future, and dog Toby doesn't match IRL Toby.

3)The very year "201X" is actually evidence in of itself. Also, the simplest assumtion would be that Sans met Toriel in 201X+100, not that we fell in 211X. Indeed, we can't base any real assumptions off of this other than Undertale taking place sometime AFTER "211X". Besides, these events are so unlikely by probability that we should pribably abandoned it that way. Occam's Razor is if all else is equal. Probability is against eight humans somehow falling down in one century out of 20. Say 5 people died at the same small location within the same day. Should we just chalk it up to bad luck because it's simple, or should we get onto investigating the location in question?

Now, here's a few more pieces of evidence that we can gather from this revelation to prove the calendars are different. Here's a video of the True Pacifist End Credits-I'll be giving timestamps of the video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_moW7eZSesw

3:58-Look closely at Papyrus' car. There's a gas hole visible there. This car still runs on gas in the 22nd century? Gas is supposed to run out somewhere between 2040-2090. We'll have moved onto solar-powered cars.

5:40-The disks Napstablook is playing.. Those would be long obsolete by now. Why are they being used in the 22nd century?

6:45-Still making statues the old fashioned way, eh Asgore?

4)The other menus all fit the definition of a "HUD", so they're HUDs too. Most of the abbreviations of items on these menus are jokes, but during "Serious Mode", they're not jokes anymore. And this happens during both Toriel's and Asgore's battles. So, I guess you could say this is actually the narrator instead? And the HUD being canon doesn't make everything simulated. And Sans IS having an existential crisis, that's why he's so lazy. He knows nothing he does really matters, it'll all be reset with no traces. Flowey kills everyone for fun because he knows none of it really matters to him, he can just reload. Chara even calls the world pointless when say it's time to erase it. Besides, if we make a scientific observation that contradicts a theory we've made, we change the theory. We need to do the same here. We can't discard even a single piece of evidence.

5)"After a long battle, the humans were victorious"-They had a LONG time to find a civilian or two and kill them, taking their SOUL.

6)Then why aren't they like Flowey? And Chara's within us until we summon them. Chara can't be within us then because we see them right in FRONT of us. If we recreate the world, however, then they reside within us once again-That's why we even have a SOUL to begin with-Chara's letting us use the SOUL we game them until the end of the game.

Chara got it from monsters? Good! That's my theory too! And since Chara's getting the data from the monsters.. That means the monsters MUST be aware of the narrator, as I said before! Which would mean that Flowey could be aware of the narrator as well, and therefore, Flowey's message about people who are watching it happen can be directed at the narrator!

7)But if we observe the electron, the superposition no longer exists. Therefore, it does NOT always exist. So, I ask again-Why do particles work one way, but the moment we observe them, they act another way entirely? The interference pattern is lost as well, so we can't say that we TOO are in a superposition to justify the statement, as SOMETHING fundamental has still changed. And actually, it IS us who does the talking. It's YOU who chooses to call Toriel "Mom". We see no evidence of Frisk even saying ONE line without our input. We roleplay Frisk-They're just what we make them. Genocide, Pacifist, Neutral.. Is anime real or not? That's for US to decide.

9)Now that Froggit A is dead, and the battle is over, Froggit B becomes the new Froggit A, and Froggit C becomes the new Froggit B, ect. A better paradox, that applies to both an battle interpretation AND an overworld one is simply this:Why can you end up battling a PAIR of monsters when there is only one left? Why do the monsters that you encounter change, if there's supposedly one left? (I'm going with this explanation:The remaining monsters evacuate when you exahust the kill count-There ARE monsters left, hence why you can meet more, but kill enough, and they all run away.)

10)I see teleportation already having been done and not diplication, and Sans NOT duplicating his ketchup. So we have to make up duplication as an explanation, and some other weird reason why Sans doesn't duplicate his ketchup that doesn't make sense-It somehow being easier to clone MORE massive objects than less ones, despite common sense. For teleportation, we can just say "He teleported himself, and brought Frisk with him, so he can bring a station with him." Also, duplication itself would still result in the snow melting off eventually, so you'd need another explanation:"Oh, it's GLITCHED duplication, the code of the universe is all glitched up from this".. So the universe has code? Well, if it has code, then the HUD, being code, would logically follow being canon as well! And if the HUD would give Sans existential crises, then why wouldn't the fact that he just glitched up something in the universe do the game? It serves as proof that the whole thing is simulated.

11)I disagreed in WHY. You said that's how resets work, I say that's not how they work, since Frisk never has to do that. My reasoning for why Asriel has to kill you is because you still control the timeline, meaning you're more determined than 6-7 human SOULS at this point. Red really is determination after all, it seems.

Determination is the will to change fate. Undyne willed to not let us kill everyone, and we willed for Asriel to not reset. Other than that, though, we can close the re-fusing point, as we both seem to agree.

12)She would have to know these things to create all of these devices in the first place, whether it be within 5 minutes, or within 50 years. It's not about how quickly she did them, it's about the fact that she was able to create those devices in the first place.

13)No, she protects us from Asgore because she is convinced that Asgore is despicable. We know she thinks this of Asgore because of the pre-Asriel cutscene. I don't blame Toriel either, and wouldn't blame her even if she didn't want to kill any humans-I'd actually blame her LESS for that-I'm not one of the many monsters who just wanted them to all break the barrier and declare war on humanity. Also, she wouldn't be able to use that as her reason for leaving if she left before Asgore failed to use this option. Sure, questioning him doesn't mean you would do it better. But you better be questioning him on something that's actually relevant, not something that happened AFTER you left.

14)So.. Why did Frisk pick the Heckle option in the first place?

Isn't it so much easier to just say Frisk does what they chose the option to do? Like they always do? There doesn't need to be a separation between Frisk and the player. The player need not exist. I already explained what my take on the relationship between Frisk and the Player is..

15)It's see you later, [Chara's name.] "Name the fallen child", not "Name yourself". Flowey is using Chara's name, so they're talking to Chara, as they no longer think we are Chara, and refer to Frisk in third-person. Why doesn't it make sense for Flowey to be speaking with Chara? Chara has the power to reset everything! What Flowey says fits Chara perfectly. And since Chara's inside of us, in order to look at Chara, he'd HAVE to be looking at us too, and vice versa. Once again, why not do a OneShot and use the player's PC name?