Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20190403163405/@comment-32182236-20190413204130

Believe it or not, AFH is actually the best you can salvage from FNAF. The pieces just don't fit in a way that makes sense. Unlike Undertale, FNAF is filled to the brim with contradictions, and AFH is what happens when you try to make everything fit.

Let's take a look at the death of the Phone Guy. First, we hear knocking on the door. So we can logically conclude that Foxy was banging on the door, as per mechanics of FNAF1. We hear Freddy's theme song without the power being out, so Phone Guy must have been looking at the kitchen. Yet, Golden Freddy jumpscares him, which is only possible if you look at the posters in West Hall Corner. So Phone Guy must have been looking at the Kitchen and the West Hall Corner at the same time. This is a clear contradiction.

So, what's the only conclusion to make out of this besides "The story has a flaw"? That the death was faked, of course!

It's not a problem with Ferret. It's a problem with Scott. Ferret's doing the best he can to make sense of the story. (By the way, Charlie really is a robot.)

Also, MatPat is far worse with the things you claim Ferret is doing. Have you seen any, ANY of his Mario theories? Here's 12 videos by MangaKamen about MatPat:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VebAUx5rFuc&list=PLN2oxnBHw48rbv13yq_bpWDHp92z5zzKC

MatPat's the one trying to frame a narrative. He's the one that doesn't listen, still saying to this day that Mario is mental. And Ferret didn't invent the Ness theory, MatPat did. His rendition was far more flawed than Ferret's, and it had several rebuttals.

Ferret's just under the assumption that the solution has to make a great story. I did get him to learn that Chara knew about split-control, after all..

He needs to improve, not quit. And he has indeed admitted he wasn't always good. But he's changed. The only thing he needs to learn is that story doesn't trump evidence. I'm hoping he brings out good evidence.

..Him stating that Shadow Freddy killed Phone Guy? I suppose he probably should have linked to this video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-Z9uVCy6RI where he claims "Yellow Bear" from FNAF1 is not Golden Freddy, but Shadow Freddy. But I don't see anything about that post that justifies the removal of civility.

FNAF:SL, FFPS, and UCN all happen in the same canonicity of the other games. ..Ferret might have thought this wasn't the case originally, back when he claimed Sister Location was an alternate canon, but I'd say otherwise, and if he's willing to use Sister Location, he probably changed his mind about that. And you don't need posters to prove that Mangle was taken apart by kids:Phone Guy explicitly says this!

And I don't think we actually need Lamar for AFH to make sense. The premise and initial question still stands:Why would the Aftons design the springsuits the way they did? Why would they willingly wear them? After all, it has an animatronic mode as well! They have NO reason to hire people to wear the suits.

Unless they wanted to kill them. But why? Well, probably for the same reason why the night guards were hired.

But the Aftons had no reason to wear them themselves, either. Unless there was a benefit after all..

No, the benefit isn't to make William look less suspicious. As the CEO of the corporation, he has no reason to have to wear a springsuit and act as an entertainer:He's the one building the robots.

So, taking out Lamar? Yeah, let's take out Lamar. (Where did the name come from, anyway?) But let's not bring down all of AFH with it. It's not like they added much to the story anyways. If the very foundation of AFH was flawed, then I'd say the theory crumbles. Believe it or not, AFH is actually the best you can salvage from FNAF. The pieces just don't fit in a way that makes sense. Unlike Undertale, FNAF is filled to the brim with contradictions, and AFH is what happens when you try to make everything fit.

Let's take a look at the death of the Phone Guy. First, we hear knocking on the door. So we can logically conclude that Foxy was banging on the door, as per mechanics of FNAF1. We hear Freddy's theme song without the power being out, so Phone Guy must have been looking at the kitchen. Yet, Golden Freddy jumpscares him, which is only possible if you look at the posters in West Hall Corner. So Phone Guy must have been looking at the Kitchen and the West Hall Corner at the same time. This is a clear contradiction.

So, what's the only conclusion to make out of this besides "The story has a flaw"? That the death was faked, of course!

It's not a problem with Ferret. It's a problem with Scott. Ferret's doing the best he can to make sense of the story. (By the way, Charlie really is a robot.)

Also, MatPat is far worse with the things you claim Ferret is doing. Have you seen any, ANY of his Mario theories? Here's 12 videos by MangaKamen about MatPat:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VebAUx5rFuc&list=PLN2oxnBHw48rbv13yq_bpWDHp92z5zzKC

MatPat's the one trying to frame a narrative. He's the one that doesn't listen, still saying to this day that Mario is mental. And Ferret didn't invent the Ness theory, MatPat did. His rendition was far more flawed than Ferret's, and it had several rebuttals.

Ferret's just under the assumption that the solution has to make a great story. I did get him to learn that Chara knew about split-control, after all..

He needs to improve, not quit. And he has indeed admitted he wasn't always good. But he's changed. The only thing he needs to learn is that story doesn't trump evidence. I'm hoping he brings out good evidence.

..Him stating that Shadow Freddy killed Phone Guy? I suppose he probably should have linked to this video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-Z9uVCy6RI where he claims "Yellow Bear" from FNAF1 is not Golden Freddy, but Shadow Freddy. But I don't see anything about that post that justifies the removal of civility.

FNAF:SL, FFPS, and UCN all happen in the same canonicity of the other games. ..Ferret might have thought this wasn't the case originally, back when he claimed Sister Location was an alternate canon, but I'd say otherwise, and if he's willing to use Sister Location, he probably changed his mind about that. And you don't need posters to prove that Mangle was taken apart by kids:Phone Guy explicitly says this!

And I don't think we actually need Lamar for AFH to make sense. The premise and initial question still stands:Why would the Aftons design the springsuits the way they did? Why would they willingly wear them? After all, it has an animatronic mode as well! They have NO reason to hire people to wear the suits.

Unless they wanted to kill them. But why? Well, probably for the same reason why the night guards were hired.

But the Aftons had no reason to wear them themselves, either. Unless there was a benefit after all..

No, the benefit isn't to make William look less suspicious. As the CEO of the corporation, he has no reason to have to wear a springsuit and act as an entertainer:He's the one building the robots.

So, taking out Lamar? Yeah, let's take out Lamar. (Where did the name come from, anyway?) But let's not bring down all of AFH with it. It's not like they added much to the story anyways. If the very foundation of AFH was flawed, then I'd say the theory crumbles.

...With that out of the way, I should probably get to working on a response to Chapter 5. After all, I still don't believe in the Ness Theory. But he makes a very good point about Alphys' "seaweed" in Chapter 4. Go check it out. He also managed to prove that the Memorial Fountain wasn't about Asriel or Chara..

He has a lot redeeming qualities. He shouldn't just quit. He just needs to keep learning. ...With that out of the way, I should probably get to working on a response to Chapter 5. After all, I still don't believe in the Ness Theory. But he makes a very good point about Alphys' "seaweed" in Chapter 4. Go check it out. He also managed to prove that the Memorial Fountain wasn't about Asriel or Chara..

He has a lot redeeming qualities. He shouldn't just quit. He just needs to keep learning.