Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-33255176-20171006013144/@comment-32182236-20171010120503

There's actually plenty of evidence they truly were forgotten. First, there's the plot hole you spoke of-Why did it take Asgore so long to find a new scientist when he was working with two people then and there? (Entry 17) Why not make one of THOSE people scientists? Like, maybe Sans?

Then, there's the "don't forget" photo in Sans's hidden room, containing Sans with a lot of people you don't recognize. Now, if Sans was around during the war, he'd know who Toriel was, so these "people" cannot be humans. (Unless we do a MatPat and say Sans wasn't originally a monster, but then explain both his magic and his 1HP-LV1 starts you off with 20HP.) All that remains are monsters. So, why don't you recognize them, if you've befriended ALL of the monsters? Because, that photograph was Sans with Gaster and some followers. So, why does he need to have a note that says not to forget? It's not like it's so hard to remember someone you've worked with for a long time, and he should be famous as an irreplaceable Royal Scientist...Oh wait, he's not, he's forgotten. And he has to fight the ripple effect-It's pretty hard for him to not forget about Gaster too!! He needs these visual reminders of who the guy was! The followers too are forgotten, and no longer exist-If you try to call someone when a Gaster Follower is there, the phone won't work, and just like Goner Kid, walk away and come back, and they're gone.

There's also a note in a language we can't read-How about Wingdings? Then comes the badge-No, it's not the Franklin Badge. It's a badge that serves as proof that Sans did indeed work with Gaster, the Royal Scientist. He helped make the machine under the curtain, and is trying to fix it. And let's not forget his Genocide speech:"Our reports showed a massive anomaly in the time-space continuum." Our. Sans was working with at least one other person when making those reports. And judging by how goofy Papyrus is, we can rule that one out-He's just not qualified for that kind of stuff, if he still thinks the horoscope is a puzzle, and doesn't know what a human looks like. Sans almost certainly worked with Gaster, and it's very likely he's trying not to forget Gaster, and the need for a note attached to a photo reminding him not to forget would then only make sense if the others DID forget, and he's fighting whatever effect made them forget.

Next, there's the origin of Sans and Papyrus. Sans and Papyrus are skeleton brothers, and therefore had the same origin-Their father would have to be a skeleton too, right..? Well, we have a skeleton who vanishes when you touch it, and Gaster speaks all-caps Wingdings in Entry 17-He's a font skeleton. So they, like the Core, came from an origin which no longer exists. So, let's see what the bunny shopkeeper has to say about where they came from-Were they born in Snowdin, did they move in from Hotland? "They just showed up one day, and... asserted themselves."

Well THAT'S strange. They just showed up? And monsters like Undyne and Asgore don't even seem to know where they came from either! (Handplates could explain this one, but if we do use Handplates' premise, that Sans and Papyrus were experiments, there's some explaining to do regarding how an artificial SOUL created, and why Alphys still thinks that's impossible-She does know Sans, after all.) Yeah, things are leaning on them literally popping into existence.. Which is complete nonsense, UNLESS, we consider that since they came from Gaster, and Gaster no longer exists, including in everyone's memories, then their origin would no longer exist either-Hence, the skeletons exist without one, just like the CORE.