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I’m here to say something:

My opinions on what defines a theme as a character’s theme has changed

I think that in Undertale, a character’s theme is the song with that plays when you first meet the character in person

Papyrus’s theme would be “Nyeh Heh Heh!”

Toriel’s theme would be “Fallen Down”

Asgore’s theme would be “Bergentrückung”

Flowey/Asriel’s theme would be “Your Best Friend”

Undyne’s theme would be “Undyne”

Etc.

So, Sans’s theme would be “sans.”

The Fallen Human wouldn’t have a theme, but if I had to choose I’d pick either “Once Upon a Time” or “Memory”. When you meet them in person there’s no real music from what I can tell (because I’m not actually playing the genocide run to find out. I’m already bad enough at the game. Plus, I’d never be able to bring myself to kill Papyrus. Also, I don’t want to ruin my game

For the Player and Frisk, the player character, I’d say the Game Over song: “Determination”. To explain, I’m gonna quote Toby Fox himself in an interview. The question asked was, “What would you say the themes are?”. Here’s his response-

“Undertale has a few themes, but I guess ‘Determination’ is the one that’s come to represent the game. The word ‘determination’ has a lot of nuance in English. In Undertale it primarily means something like ‘force of will’, but it can also mean ‘judgement’. DETERMINATION is the power to control your own destiny... To shape reality according to your judgement and desire. So you could say it’s a pretty important power to have. People without determination just drift away on the waves of life, right? But that said, what I want to get across is that although Determination is a necessary part of life, it’s not always a good thing, you know? If someone is TOO determined, if their will is too firm, they could end up impacting the entire future, all by themselves. And there’s no telling wether that could end up good or bad...”

If you’re wondering what I’m quoting, I’ll link it: https://www.reddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/6mub1y/new_interview_with_toby_fox_on_famitsu/

Also a later question basically confirms that the True Pacifist Ending is the canon ending. The question was, “It’s probably too early to ask, but are there any plans for a sequel to Undertale?”. Here’s his response:

“Undertale’s story ends on a really positive note and leaves players with a nice, cozy feeling. Are you sure you really want me to ruin that?”

I don’t think that’d make much sense with any other run

So that’s my new two-cents on this discussion or something

So in short, it’s nobody’s theme. It’s just a song Toby Fox keeps making versions of. The character themes are the songs played when you first meet the character, and fit the character’s personality well. The battle themes fit the characters, but they’re also made to fit the mood of the fight. I think it’d be kind of... anticlimactic to hear “Song That Might Play When You Fight Sans” during his genocide fight. Something just wouldn’t feel right. The song is tOk fun sounding for the trolly final boss of the “I’m literally gonna massacre the Underground and destroy the world” run. Seriously, which song fits the fight better: STMPWYFS or Megalovania?

I’d say Megalovania, and there are likely a lot of people that will agree