Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-30088034-20170108152544/@comment-27701762-20170109010232

Yes I&#039;m single wrote: 1 ah, i see. so this probably leads into the "is chara good or evil" discussion, because some of the narrations are really funny. but i didn't know chara was that funny! i thought she was serious. good theory though. It does lead into that. The theory is just speculation, and there is currently a thread discussing that topic, and there are a few posts on places like Tumblr that lay out some potential evidence for it.

2. so chara is buried there because toriel took the dead body from asgore right? That is correct. Asgore originally put the body in the casket found just before his throne room, and when Toriel left she took Chara's body to give it a proper burial.

3. so if flowey sees chara as a "good friend" then why does he help chara" aka frisk solve puzzles and stuff only when they are doing genocide? is it because flowey is that evil? Well, first, Flowey doesn't actually help Chara solve anything on the Genocide run. The only time he shows up after the Ruins is in New Home to tell his story, and he kills finishes off Asgore, but that is try and ingratiate himself to Chara, since he realizes that Chara could very well kill him at any moment.

Second, he does technically help Frisk during the True Pacifist route, by setting things in motion so that Frisk can enter the True Lab, but that is for the purpose of getting access to his true form, rather than actually wanting to help Frisk/Chara.

things brings me to another thing: if flowey lost all his love and compassion because of no soul and too much determination, then why is he helping someone? Again, he's not really helping, but insofar as he does help Chara on the Genocide run, it is because Flowey sees the entire process of manipulating the world as a giant game to be played. But he became bored with doing everything, and Chara/Frisk represents someone new to play with. Not only that, but he sees Chara as a kindred spirit, not someone who sparks any actual emotion in him, but at least someone who presumably understands him. So even without love and compassion, having a new companion that he can relate to would give him motivation to "help."

4. sorry, poorly worded. i knew that. i meant in the tapes in alphys' lab where asriel says "i don't want to do this plan anymore " or something like that. That wasn't Asriel's plan, but Chara's. Chara had decided to sacrifice themself by consuming buttercups (which are poisonous) and then letting Asriel absorb their soul. Asriel (now having a human soul and monster soul, and being incredibly powerful) would cross the Barrier and kill six more humans to acquire six more souls, so that he would then have the power to break the Barrier and free the monsters. Asriel was not entirely on board, and was ultimately the one who caused the plan to fail by refusing to fight back against the humans on the Surface.

5. i should have seen some of the discussions about that, wow! i think chara is a bit weird, maybe she has bipolar disorder or something because they are sometimes really nice or mean. (don't mean to offend anyone) There are various ideas about Chara. Some think that Chara might have some sort of psychological issue such as depression, in order to explain their actions. Some think that Chara is just plain evil. At the end of the day, what mostly matters is what can best explain the available evidence.

6. so asriel is obsessed with chara that much that they would literally reset everything just to keep them around? wow. but why was asriel acting mean about it ("i'll bring your memories back to zero!" and lots of others") Because Flowey/Asriel didn't want to simply hang out with Chara and chat. The way Flowey basically has fun at this point is by manipulating others, and resetting the world and forcing Frisk/Chara to go through all of it again (with those small differences that prevent the whole enterprise from becoming boring) is his way of playing with Chara.

6. do any of the characters know that asriel/chara even existed? what about the 6 other humans that died? and heck, even flowey? i mean, obviously toriel and asgore know about asriel/chara, and alphys knows about flowey, but what else. also, does anyone know that flowey is asriel? (chara, alpys, etc)  AND does anyone mistake frisk for chara? (sorry, lots of questions lol) So I'll try to break this down into the individual questions.
 * Yes. The story told by the monsters in New Home during the Neutral Route is the story of Asriel and Chara.
 * Yes, though presumably only Toriel and perhaps Asgore ever met them personally.
 * Papyrus is aware of Flowey (but doesn't really understand who Flowey is), and it is certainly possible that Sans is aware of Flowey. Other than that, though, it seems no other character except for Alphys is potentially aware of Flowey's existence.
 * No character is ever indicated to be aware that Flowey is Asriel.
 * Only Flowey/Asriel ever mistakes Frisk for Chara.

7. i read a sign in waterfall that said "however, there is an angel that will save us all" is that frisk or asriel There are various different readings of the line. A lot of people assume it is Frisk at first glance, since they are the central figure in the whole "saving the Underground/killing all of the monsters" dichotomy. Asriel fits a bit better with the "saving the Underground" bit, so it's possible it could be Frisk and Asriel who are the angel depending on what route is being played. Or Chara could be the angel in place of Frisk. It's not entirely clear.

8.  Flowey/Asriel is smart enough to solve all those puzzles to help frisk but dumb enough to mistake frisk for chara? something is fishy........ I'm again rather confused here, as Flowey doesn't really solve any puzzles for Frisk. The only time Flowey helps is by setting things in motion for the True Pacifist ending.

But even then, the discrepancy can be explained by how Flowey has his knowledge. He is able to manipulate the various characters because he has spent who knows how many years manipulating characters and learning how they react to things. In comparison, he has not even had a full day of experience with Frisk. Besides that, Frisk and Chara look incredibly similar, so one could be forgiven for mistaking them.