Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20181123023529/@comment-26006155-20181205174822

Responding to Person, post #77: https://undertale.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:152151#77

Thanks for responding, Person, and again reading my long-winded replies. I finally caught up with my lore refresher.

Ok, so Sans takes 9,999,999 damage when he gets hit. And Asgore takes 9,999,999,999 damage, I just went back and watched the genocide end. Chara’s crazy strong by now, but she does 1000x the damage to Asgore.

This is useful. Either Sans has a super-high defense, or the lore in the library that says that a human striking a monster with the intent to kill does awe striking damage.. Doesn’t apply to Sans. Because Sans isn’t a monster. Fits in with my cast that Sans is a human well.

I have a lot more evidence to present about Sans, and his relation to Frisk and Gaster. I’ve just paused the script for a moment to refresh my grasp of the Undertale lore.

Well, a creature with a monster soul and human soul together is certainly very powerful, I won’t argue that.

I believe Gaster is human not only because of the talking human head Gaster Follower #1 has, or his natural gift for Determination research, but because he’s the only possible creature that could act as the Monster Soul Thief that’s able to strike targets in both the Ruins and Underground. Only the ghost of a human mad scientist could do such a thing. And only a human WOULD engage in activity this dark and harmful. Monsters aren’t malicious by nature, but humans can be.

The River Person tells us “Beware the man who speaks in hands”, a statement that could only apply to Wingding Gaster, and also “Beware of the man who came from the other world”. Both these statements use the world “man” in them, and whether both mean the same person or not, it certainly suggests Gaster was a man. A human.

I’m still finalizing my exact timeline of events. But I believe that Sans and Gaster traveled together at one point, perhaps the team sent to investigate the timeline anomalies Sans mentioned in his battle, and Papyrus joined them later. As the three members of The Font Brigade, Sans and Papyrus would be the other two characters in the room when Gaster turns around from his Darkest Experiment and asks “What do you two think”?

Sans and Papyrus are both packing Gaster Blasters, technology with Gaster’s trademark stamped on them. They both knew him at some point. And yet.. According to the Bunny shopkeeper in Snowden, Sans and Papyrus suddenly appeared in town one day, with no 3rd party member with them.

Some sort of time hijinks is going on. And for some reason, Gaster is no longer part of their party. There must have been a … powerful disagreement for that to happen. And the timeline we’re presently in isn’t the same one they were in originally

If Gaster hadn’t had his.. Accident.. Perhaps the timeline would look different. Or perhaps by traveling to the point earlier in time, Sans REMOVED Gaster from the timeline before Frisk dropped into the Underground, and The Darkest Experiment was a lot later in time than when the Memorial Fountain was built

And there is the question, if The Underground had no entrances and exits, how was falling into it even possible in the first place? If light could go through the Barrier.. Could Gaster have built a LASER that cut an opening in the rock where a human could fall though?

I’m still going over scenarios here.

It could be that Undyne has a finite Determination power supply. But she uses her super strength pretty constantly throughout the game and after. Still, if Undyne was solid for the longest time, and only turned to goop when she was *truly* dying.. Goop would by synonymous with death. And would explain why the Amalgamates have properties like ghosts.

Gaster himself looks melted. Perhaps this is the difference between a ghost monster like Blooky who was always a ghost, and a human who became a ghost like Gaster, who survived beyond death?

If Falling Down is an illness, why does it affect so many very different types of monsters in the same way? Wouldn’t they have a name for this illness, except just “Falling Down” as it’s put in quotations in Mettaton’s house? People call it this because they don’t know why this is happening.

We see The Mystery Man, aka Gaster’s sprite, with its light and dark pair of joined faces. He seems a bit like an Amalgamate himself, truth be told. The facial markings match those on Doctor Andonuts’ sprite at the end of The Earthbound Halloween Hack after Dr. Andonuts fused with Giygas, becoming a force for evil that also had a brain.

I admit I missed most of the Twitter announcements concerning the launching of Deltarune, save for the easter eggs added to the Switch version of Undertale, and the day right before.

It would certainly be cool to have Gaster talking over Twitter. FNAF has done that sort of thing having FNAF World and Scott Games talking to each other in the past.

It does indeed seem like Gaster controls the world of Deltarune. And after seeing the recent Game Theory video about how the Game UI itself holds clues depending if we’re in town or the Dark World, font changes are certainly something to look for and be aware of, thanks for bringing that up.

If Gaster does have the power to control Deltarune, I still have to figure out how he has that power, so just saying he can waves his hands isn’t quite a satisfying level of story detail. But it’s nice to compare notes.