Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31371445-20170222233857/@comment-27136653-20180725200724

"Green magic makes more sense. It's very easy to use, just as easy as white magic"

I wouldn't be so sure on that. Nearly no one uses the green attack in the game, even after we can spare them, even after we encounter the same monster for a second time. White magic is how they represent themselves, and it doesn't hurt them normally.

"He still attacked, though. We tried to wake him up, and he attacked."

Of course he did. We provoked him. Still, I wouldn't call that an attack. He just woke up and started crying at us. Though, in his case, his tears do harm other monsters. Probably because he didn't put a lot of care into them. Or perhaps they harm only other ghosts (in addition to humans).

"I offer an explanation that only assumes that monsters don't have to use white magic all the time"

Which they do, save for a few exceptions such as Woshua, Vegetoid and others I can't recall right now.

"And you assume that magic doesn't always operate the same way, depending on who it's aimed it. Which has no basis within the game."

But is implied. White attacks seem to be the norm. So that's what I'm asssuming they're communicating with. Healing attacks might be difficult to conjure, just like training to be a medic is difficult too.

"It's not the HUD itself that evolved. I still stand by that the HUD always existed."

Which implies the intelligent design you spoke of, got it.

"Universal rules don't HAVE exceptions."

The game is full of conditional effects, or 'if else' statements. If I don't see the monsters ever talk at the same time, save for one special case which belongs to a different group altogether, I won't just assume the same goes for the monsters from the normal group. If you find a group of monsters that talk at the same time and are not amalgamates, then tell me.

"They probably questioned it then."

And I don't believe they would just stop questioning it now. Especially since I don't think they fully know what's going on.

"How can they do that when they don't even know where your SOUL is? Like I said, it takes serious research to know these more complex aspects."

Exactly why I'm surprised they didn't question it. Suddenly the soul disappears from existence and they're supposed to be content with it?

"First, you explain how your laws are artificial"

They have no logical natural explanation, that's how they're artificial.

"That's what he thought, but perhaps he REALLY felt the presense of Chara with us, and attributed that to the hope in our eyes"

Nah. He should have felt it in the genocide route too then, but didn't.

"He released the SOULs AFTER the Barrier was released. He took the restored SOUL magic, then released the SOULs. Therefore, he has exactly 7 humans worth of SOUL magic, but it can't be restored anymore, because he no longer has the SOULs to do that. So do something that takes the power of one human SOUL, and he loses that magic forever now, dropping him to 6."

I did not understand a word. The human souls were destroyed, since all of their determination, all of their soul power, was used up for the destruction of the barrier. The monsters together amassed to just over one human soul, so they survived it (distributing the power grab across all of them, which would leave them all very weak, but all alive).

"You can see the opponents' HP bar too, you know. And the fact that there is no box nor buttons implies we're in a different form of the HUD, sort of like in Omega Flowey's fight."

Not like this. But I guess that works. We do see our HP bar when Flowey steals the HUD. But that would be possible only if he was in control and saved. Plus, he was also in his true form there, as well as in his God of Hyperdeath form, changing back and forth, which is possible only if he had an access to the monster souls, as well as enough human souls to surpass Frisk in DT. Plus, there's the credits. All of these impossibilities call for one simple solution, it's not canon.

"So, how can it possibly be that farfetched that monsters can't run away either?"

We can always run away, save for boss fights, which we are determined to go through. So why shouldn't the monsters be able to run?

"So, why don't they say that you're a human if monsters are as you say, and would state the obvious all the time?"

I guess these ones knew already, since, you know, Asgore told them. Except for that Froggit at the end I guess.