Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-30088034-20170108152544/@comment-30088034-20170117234124

Wildkitten1234 wrote: "In what other way would you describe the interactions with Asgore and Flowey at the end of Genocide? " It's obviously Chara killing them, but you said they're slowly gaining more control because of Frisk's LOVE. That can't be the case, because when Chara and Asriel fused, they both had 1 LOVE and yet had to fight for control, they shared it equally.

'''why do you have some things directed at me but some things directed at mabian in the same post? seperate them pls/'''

"That Frisk is ceding more control to Chara as time goes on does not mean that Chara has complete control by the end of Genocide. Rather, just that Chara is able to exercise more influence than before, and more influence than in other routes. Frisk or the player, however you want to define that relationship, still has some control. It is only when the soul is sold that full control is handed over, and even then it is not entirely clear how that works. "

But why do you think that? We have to be playing as either Chara or Frisk, yes? Then the person moving them in the cutscenes is whoever we aren't playing as, most likely Chara. We clearly see the times they take control, and it's not often.

'''"2. On a soulless pacifist route, why can't chara just take control over you and do pacifist? is it because chara erased the world? And are there any easter eggs in that route, like flowey saying "This is your soul. The very creation of your being." Wait, you don't have a soul". and flowey remembers if you've done genocide before right?"'''

Well, a Genocide reset is the same as a True Reset, no one remembers anything. So Flowey doesn't say anything special as far as I know. And Frisk's soul still exists, it's the heart, it has to.

"3. Why does chara want frisk to do a pacifist if they like killing? And why doesn't he just kill frisk? "

Haven't you asked this several times??? "At first I was so confused" "With your guidance I realised the purpose of my reincarnation". They don't want to kill anyone at the start, they tell you how to spare monsters. But they also don't combat it, and they'll help after the Ruins. They start neutral. "With your guidance." They don't kill Frisk because 1. They'll just come back to life 2. Why would they?? and 3. That would kill Chara too they share a body

'''does chara share a body with frisk or just haves the soul in their possesion? and i meant after a genocide run, but that was already answered. and does chara want you to do pacifist because they are nice or just want to kill everyone outside the barrier too?'''

"4. kind of related to my other questions, but would chara rather you do a genocide twice or a pacifist after? "

"But. You and I are not the same, are we? This soul resonates with a strange feeling. There is a reason you continue to recreate this world. There is a reason you continue to destroy it. You. You are wracked with a perverted sentimentality. Hmm. I cannot understand these feelings anymore. Despite this. I feel obligated to suggest. Should you choose to recreate this world once more. Another path would be better suited. Now, partner. Let us send this world back into the abyss." -Part of Chara's dialogue if you do Genocide twice.

'You are an awful person and despite not being able to feel anymore, I feel morally obligated to suggest you do literally anything else next time.' They don't suggest Pacifist specifically, though.

'''5. Widkitten, you said it's frisk who wants to go back, but i thought chara wanted to erase it because it's empty? '''

'It' is the world? Yes, Chara wanted to erase it. But "Perhaps. We can reach a compromise. You still have something I want. Give it to me. And I will bring this world back." They want Frisk's soul, for some reason, and decide it in exchange for them bringing the world back is a fair deal.

'''6. How does chara have no soul? their coffin is empty....'''

What do those have to do with each other? Their coffin is empty because Toriel took their body and buried it where Frisk falls. They have no soul because they combined theirs with Asriel's, and their fused soul broke when they died.