Thread:Rafip/@comment-28517148-20170827134615/@comment-32182236-20171127213650

"Sorry, I don't get it, neither what is point of that nor what it means. Also, I am actually not interested how much time has passed between the War and Chara, unless it is somehow tightly related with length of period Chara-Frisk, but I don't see this correlation."

Well, here's how it works. The humans randomly fall in a roughly uniform distribution along the timeline of several centuries when the barrier still exists. We already know Frisk is, by definition, at the end of this timeline, but that's not random, as the 8th human (seventh human after Chara) falling DEFINES the end of the line. But the other seven humans could have fallen at any time between the war and the shattering of the barrier. Considering this, the most likely distribution would be a roughly uniform distribution across the timeline-Placing Chara around 1/8th of the way between the war and Frisk. Now do you understand? (Try simulating randomness with an RNG, like Random.ORG-Set the minimum to, say, 1600, and the maximum to, say, 2015, do it 7 times, and chart the results. That'll give you one likely way it could have gone-Make sure to realize Chara's the earliest human, and thus, you'd pick the EARLIEST year out of the 7 you randomly got for when they would have fallen. Remember this-7 random numbers, pick the EARLIEST, as Chara's the EARLIEST of the 7 that came before you. You can repeat this several times to get a distribution of possibilities. (I got 1668-There's one random data point.)

Nobody said it's not, but the 1 in 18000 was a=calculated by the number of possible combinations of letters of three letters it COULD have been named. Of course, it probably IS, as later on I go through.

Well yes, your theory explains where the name "VHS" came from too-But my point is it's not an issue with mine anymore, and therefore, irrelevant when you're trying to debunk mine with it.

"I knew you are going to use majik as argument, which isn't good for me."

YOU used magic as an argument for the lasers when I cited them as prof monsters are superior to us. If it's not good for you, you explain how monsters have lasers and all the tech they do, WITHOUT being ahead of us, and WITHOUT using magic as an argument-Use pure technology and science ONLY. I'll be waiting...

"I've been researching humans to see if I can find any info about their SOULS. I ended up snooping around the castle... And found these weird tapes. I don't feel like ASGORE's watched them... I don't think he should."

Just because Alphys thinks Asgore didn't watch them, doesn't mean Asgore couldn't have played a role in preserving it, because 1-Alphys is merely speculating here, and 2-Not watching the tapes isn't the same thing as not preserving them.

What happens after the 25-30 years anyway? Does the screen not work, but the audio still work? Because we can't see the tapes anyway because of the lens cap, so it wouldn't make a difference if that's the case. We also can't hear Chara at all, so there might be some audio glitches with the tapes too.

"Anyway, meaning of, for example, inaccurate argumentation: metaphor taken literally is still obvious."

Yeah, and I didn't misunderstand that part. It was strictly the meaning of red text in of itself-Because of the part about Entry #5 not being fallacious in any way (that I'm aware of), and the fact that in classical Undertale, red text does not indicate fallacy, but rather importance, I adopted that meaning onto your image. (The point about metaphors being taken literally is an important one, after all.)

If you're going to bring in metaphysics of the SOUL in this world, then I agree that we probably shouldn't talk about it. But we should be talking SPECIFICALLY about Undertale will vs the Undertale SOUL-And Alphys says they are DIFFERENT, by giving someone with NO SOUL a will. That's a direct contradiction.

The problem I have is not just that Alphys says it's the first flower-If that was it, your statement would be entirely valid. But Alphys SPECICALLY calls into attention that it's also THE flower from the outside world. "The flower" is singular. So, from what Alphys tells us, only ONE flower could have been like this, and the others needed to come from the INside world, the Undergroud, blooming from the first flower, underground.