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Guys, stop. Chara was never evil. Here are several reasons why.

They're like Flowey, when Asriel and Chara's fusion turned to dust their COMBINED soul was destroyed, when the flower that grew in the dust was injected with Determination it brought back Asriel, who was scared and confused, commited suicide, reloaded due to determination and decided to use his abilities for good under the name Flowey (confirming that being soulless doesn't make you evil,btw) but when he got tired of that he got curious and did bad, he didn't like it at first but what being soulless seems to do is remove the moral compass and make it easier to switch between good and evil, and he did, we see after everything in pacifist, neutral, or genocide he regrets what he did or is doing and becomes good. Chara goes through the same thing. Flowey tell us Toriel buried Chara's body in the first room of the game, where the yellow flowers now grow (morbidly, but naturally from the body's...nutrients.), Frisk fell on that grave. Chara tells us at the end of genocide that they were brought back to life from OUR Determination.. straight and simple, the True lab experiment that created Flowey occured here as well, Chara was brought back to life just by being in Frisk's presense, as a soulless entity.

Chara tells us at the end of genocide that they were confused, "our"(Asriel and Chara's) plan had failed, why were they alive? They then tell us that our guidance made them realize the purpose of their re-encarnation... OUR. GUIDANCE. As the one who presses FIGHT Chara is not the killer. Stop reading those Undertale comics, YOU. are the monster, not Chara. Chara is present throughout the entire game with Frisk. How do I know? What's the name that pops up when you pull up the menu? Huh? What's the name of our save-file? "Name the fallen human" as we know, is not Frisk.

And it's not just that, Frisk and Chara have talked, Chara has possessed Frisk in every run. Whenever you check something, a little voice with a unique vocabulary explains stuff to us we wouldn't know. (And stuff we would, like the first narration stating "(Flowers. They must have broken your fall.)") in the parantheses used for whispering, or thinking. Interesting that they know this flower's name but not another... more on that later.

This advice is useful and typical of a narrator but sometimes they get things wrong. "Monster Candy, has a distinct, non-licorice flavor." *you eat it* "...Tastes like licorice." Did the narrator screw up? Narrators are supposed to be omnecent.. how could they not know... This isn't even the only time, they know NOTHING about water sausages, not until you read the book on it, anyways. "Oh! It is a water sausage!" (Woah! Slow down there, seems our voice likes gardening. Y'know a worn down child-proof dagger makes a nice gardening tool...) unless... they aren't a narrator... This voice knows the language of the Froggits something Frisk can't know, they know the names and weaknesses/stregnths of every Monster species, they speak to Frisk as they're another person, they've done things for Frisk, such as keeping them from making decisions. Gift> Money "Hey, now. You're not made of money." -voice. Or reading to them. "It's a book on monster history! Here's a random page (Frisk: I didn't do that!) then a passage is read. They really do seem to be connected to Frisk, tasting what Frisk does "...Tastes like licorice." Feeling pain when Frisk does. "The hug warms your heart, and your whole body! Ouch! Your DEFENSE dropped!" (Hugging Vulkin). Smell what Frisk smells "Starting to smell like lavander and mothballs." See what they see. "An empty photo frame. It's really dusty..."   They understand Frisk's feelings. "The size of the pie intimidates you too much to eat it."  The voice also has very biased opinions, when you do something wrong they tell you they are disgusted with you. "You took more candy... how disgusting."  (Hey, your job is just to tell me what I did!) They have differing interests from Frisk. "Look at all these cool toys! ...They don't interest you at all..." and they get  mad, when you check things more than once.  "His metal body renders him invulnerable to attack. His Metal body STILL renders him invulnerable to attack. Seriously! His metal body is invulnerable!" They sometimes make a joke out of it. "This is a snow poff. And this, is a snow poff. BEHOLD! A snow poff. Snow poff. Snow poff."  (What is a poff anyways? Sounds like a word a kid made up..)  Sometimes they're sarcastic. "Ah! Wow! Woah! It's a Hole! (in red..)" They made a morbid comment about Chara way before we knew their story. "What a comfortable bed. If you laid down here you might not ever get up."  Interesting.  They even made up something we didn't do, to which Frisk objects, prompting the text,  "What? You didn't do that?..." from the voice. What a bad narrator....

They seem to go beyond the narration as well, our items eventually turn into jokes like "Buttspie". interestingly though, the jokes dissapear. On four occasions. Fighting TORIEL, fIghting ASGORE,fighting ASRIEL, and the genocide run. Huh.. When we get the phone call from Asriel from the future (God of hyperdeath.) telling us everything is falling into place and that, reffering to us as Chara, we'll see them soon. The voice opens up the text by stating "(I t ' s  a  v o i c e  y o u ' v e  n e v e r  h e a r d  b e f o r e .)"  All shocked by who says this.. as if they recognize the voice. Interesting. And I wonder where that "ASRIEL DREEMUR" text crazy reaction comes from when he transforms after he states it's him, Chara's best friend.

Another interesting thing is the voice we get when we die, it's a memory of Asgore telling Chara to never give up, stay determined, come back..." Projected on to us from... someone...  Or how about that random time we got a memory of Chara meeting Asriel randomly in the middle of our journey...  "My name is. . ." Weird...  Or how about the fact the memory we see at the beginning of the game is of Chara, not Frisk. ...

Now we all know in the genocide run Chara starts talking to us in red text.. or at least that's what most people belive(Evil=red right?)  but lots of what should be Chara exclusive dialogue is written in white "our clothes." comapred to "My bed.", and the narrator has used red text in pacifist (such as in the hole example). Interesting.

The voice, changes as you transition from pacifist to genocide, unlike most people that believe Chara takes over. At first the narrator is calm and their normal self, but when you kill a monster they get depressed "Dog food. It's half full!" (pacifist) "Dog food. It's half empty..." (neutral.) and interestingly, when you kill several people initiating a genocide run, the voice gets psycotic and extra morbid. (Chara tried to kill themself several times, once coming down, and another time sucessfully, interestingly, all sharp things in the house of the dreemurs is dulled... Chara would seem to be very morbid, I'd be if i hated mysel that much....) "Dog food. It's half empty. You just remembered something funny!" (genocide.)    The narrator also gets extra impatient with Frisk, using simple narrations and never repeating them. It's on this run that Frisk starts skipping things without our input. And attacking harder. "In my way." Somebody wants the run to be done like ripping a bandaid, quick and painful... somebody has lost hope in Frisk. Somebody also strangely wants to help Frisk regardless, as the LV level and stregnth of "Chara" rises on the menu to the double digits. What is it that Chara tells us at the end of genocide, oh right. They tell us we guided them to thinking that the reason they were brought back to life was for the mission of gaining power... hmmm..

Interestingly, even in genocide our little voice friend has morals, they still think what we're doing is terrible but they no longer take a high road. And sometimes seem to be rooting for the good guys. "Undyne the Undying. The Heroine that NEVER gives up." "The heroine appears." "You feel like you're going to have a bad time." "KARMA flowing through your veins" I'm making the call. CHARA. IS. THE. VOICE. They say it themselves. "It's me. Chara." Eventually, once we get close to beating Sans someone finishes the job for us after Sans dodges cheaply. When Asriel/Flowey is killed, interestingly it takes a button press to coax that same someone to finish the job, as if they couldn't do it... "It's me... your best friend! Please don't kill me!"-Asriel/flowey, crying.

And it's after that, we meet Chara, thank us for our guidance, for our determination that brought them back, for showing them the way... They then tell us to move on to a new world/universe, and that they should finish this one quickly. Erase the game, and move on to the next.. for they are the stats, they were giving us all the stats of the game, all the menus this whole time... and they will be with us, in every game... (How do I know? The narrator changes the menu during the Asriel final fight, givng us the SAVE option as a last resort..." Interestingly, we use Asriel and Chara exclusive memories to bring Asriel back from evil..but there is no way Frisk could have them...)  If we agree with them, saying we're partners, they like us and erase the game, but if we say no.. they get mad...(and erase the game.) interesting, when we come back to the game, or if we say yes and come back to the game, they start scolding us, telling us that this is all our fault and that we think we're above concequences.. why are they so mad?  Well, I think, it's because we became their new best friend.  When Asriel spared the Humans and got Chara to do the same, it got them both killed.  This depressed Chara, but if we do a pacifist run, they get happy, we teach them that mercy is right, and that Asriel did the right thing back there. But if we kill one person, they remain depressed, glass "half empty" instead of "half full.". And if we kill several, they renounce Asriel completely and start to help us... Frisk puts on the "Best friends forever" locket. "Right where it belongs." -Chara. They happily call us their partner. And give us the choice of deleting the world, if we don't, or come back they get mad.. why? Because it goes against everything we taught them. We betray them like they think Asriel did... Every choice in the game was provided by Chara, and we guided them when we chose, we taught them to FIGHT by pressing FIGHT by choosing FIGHT over and over. They are very interested in wether we decide to fight or not. "Can you show mercy without FIGHTING or running away?" - Toriel fight narration. (Interesting detail, Chara believes Toriel knows best for us. " TORIEL - ATK  DEF  Knows best for you." Asriel says Howdy! And Golly! like Asgore.  Chara says "Greetings." and rarely uses "it's" in favor of "It is." like Toriel. Seems they had favorite parents..)  And you people have forgotten that, FIGHTing was your choice, not theirs. Chara didn't do anything, but sit and watch and learn, like any child does. There is another reason they get mad. "You think you're above concequences." Chara sees that we killed for the FUN OF IT. Not for a mission like they thought, maybe liked they hope as they saw this senseless killing we did and tried to cope. And they want to punish us, that's exactly what they do, when they ask for our Soul, and constantly remind us on post pacifist genocide runs that we killed everyone with that x's picture.... Another reason they want our soul is likely because they feel empty without one, like Flowey, of course. That is why Chara told us this was a "compromise" they got what they wanted, a soul, a way to torment you, and you got your game. When you do multiple genocides Chara tells you how awful they think you are stating "You are wracked with a perverted sentementality." and that we should try doing a few pacifist runs.

Chara is not evil. Chara is our judge. A judge a million times worse than Sans that cannot be killed and gives us the worst bad time.

TL;DR Chara is not evil, not convinced? Try reading.

I'm dissapointed in the fandom, the biggest part of UNDERTALE is how every Character is not what they seem on the surface, Flowey seems like a horrible flower but they are actually a kid stuck in their own special hell. ASGORE seems like a killer but he's actually a man trying to do his duty, while trying to avoid it because he hates killing. TORIEL seems like a creep but she is in grief after the loss of her children and the death of several others and is so alone. Sans seems like a jokester and a lazy piece of garbage but he's been watching out for us (mostly because we're a threat, but also to protect us.) And he has a mysterious past that literally unites him and his Brother, seperated by an event that is shouded in darkness. Papyrus, seems like a narcissist but he actually believes everyone is great, not just himself, and just wants to be people's friends, caring about everyone, he's Sans' exact opposite, who cares more about the timeline than those in due to his space-time knowledge. Undyne seems like a ruthless killer but she just wants to protect and serve her people. Muffet seems like a greedy spider but she actually has no gold when you kill her, she just wants to help all spiders and fights you thinking you hate them. Mettaton seems like a vane jerk but he just wants to entertain. Alphys seems like a lier but she's just nervous and is attracted to you because you're such a flawless person and she's not, (due to the resets.) she's made so many mistakes... Chara seems like a murderer but their story is just as tragic as Asriel's, they just do what you do like a playable CHARActer, (this story is shared with Frisk.), they are cruel to Frisk because they have morals and strict opinions. Mettaton> ACT>Cry>"Crying is not allowed." "N-no big kids don't cry.."-Asriel. Chara is very mature for their age and wants everyone to be the same way. Chara is not an angel, that is true, they hated Humans and were even willing to fight them, but so is anyone.... Asriel states Chara wasn't the greatest person, because Frisk had the power to manipulate time and kill everyone but they didn't, making Frisk look better by comparasion. But Asriel never said Chara was a horrible person, just "not the greatest." meaning they were great, but they could be better. Asriel tells Frisk they wish they were their friend because Frisk seems so good and flawless. But everyone has flaws Asriel, you should forgive Chara for that. And so should the fandom, because that's what makes a game, or any media so good, what makes the characters so real. FLAWS. Nobody is perfect. Fact of life. Papyrus hurt us, wanted to trap us. Sans wanted to kill us from the beginning, Toriel hurt us to keep us in the ruins. Asgore tried to kill us with no mercy, Undyne wanted to blenderize us, Muffet wanted to eat us, need I go on? All Characters in this game could be said to be evil, heck, Flowey is just as bad as Chara... but we forgave him too.. right? God, Toby made an amazing game.

That is all. *mic drop*