Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20200107155350/@comment-26907577-20200113123610

This is... this is madness!

We are NOT selectively "declaring things non-canon". No. The accusation horrifies me.

We are using an UNBREAKABLE LOGICAL ARGUMENT to PROVE that this thing, while canon, is NOT evidence in this case.

I was going to try and make an analogy. But you know what? I don't need to. This example is all I need.

I'm gonna formalize this thing.
 * GIVEN: No boss fight ends in a "You Won!" screen.

We currently have two explanations for this: I'm gonna disprove #1. Proof by contradiction. Let's go.
 * 1) This is because somebody always loses in boss fights.
 * 2) This is because boss fights are not random encounters.

So, let's look at each fight, and each ending of each fight, and try to show Option 1 true in each fight.
 * 1) ; Toriel
 * 2) Spare: We don't win because Toriel stays behind and keeps the Ruins Door shut.
 * 3) Kill: We don't win because we lose Toriel's SOUL.
 * 4) ; Papyrus
 * 5) Spare: We don't win because Undyne can't take our SOUL to Asgore to free the monsters. And kill all the humans using the power of 7 SOULs. Whoops. I think preventing that outcome is perfectly winning. Especially since sparing Papyrus is a key part of the True Pacifist Route, which successfully frees monsterkind and prevents anybody from immediately getting a human SOUL. That's a win.

I will say no more. Tell me why sparing Papyrus isn't winning. If you can't do that, we have every right to discount Option #1. Burden of proof is definitely on you here. Go.

Yes, I'm angry.