Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26907577-20191002153041/@comment-32182236-20191030184108

Alright, now it's time for the second round of scrutiny.

First off, I'll tell you how I interpret your hypothesis:If I got a part of it wrong, you can point it out. I don't want to end up debunking a strawman instead of the real thing. If it's actually better than what you had, well, we've improved it!

So, I take it that Frisk was not the plan, and neither was Chara getting resurrected BY Frisk.

Once Chasriel got killed, the other six decided to climb the mountain themselves. It's far more likely for ONE human to fall and fix things than seven, after all. So it'd raise the odds in the monsters' favor.

Now we go back to the wizards, and why they made the Barrier in the first place. Their plan.

They see humans attacking the monsters, and figure that casting the Barrier would end the war peacefully, and perhaps eventually, there would be a reunion (I still have my doubts about how they can avoid a second war breaking out the moment the monsters are free).

Nobody could know what their real intentions are, lest they be considered traitors by the rest of humanity, and killed before they could cast the barrier. Hence, it was framed as them siding with the humans and banishing them. This is why the Waterfall Glyphs do not show favor to the wizards.

Clearly, these wizards thought the monsters were good.

Then, Asriel "betrays" Chara, the current incarnation of the Determination Wizard. And that's it for them, as their SOUL is destroyed.

The other six see this tragedy, and they likely realized Asriel's intentions. So they died, for the reasons I stated near the top of this post.

Flowey gets made, and Frisk, who isn't in on it at all, falls down. They have an unusually high amount of determination-Enough to bring Chara back, the same way Asriel was brought back.

The first thing Chara wakes up to, is having lost their SOUL, and the last thing they remember is Asriel getting them killed. Ruining the plan for their freedom. Ruining everything.

If they had a SOUL, their compassion would kick in, and they'd likely forgive Asriel. Some people think they actually do this in Pacifist, though I'm not convinced (yet). (Mainly because in Soulless Pacifist, they still kill everyone anyway. And that's WITH a SOUL.)

But without a SOUL, they feel no love. Only negative emotions would exist. Hence, hatred is all that remains.

The next thing Chara sees is Toriel taking Frisk in.

Apparently, Chara hated humanity. Whether that's specific to the current incarnation, something they made up so that the plan makes more sense to Asriel, or whether they did genuinely hate humanity (Though you'd wonder why they'd agree to make the Barrier rather than help the monsters and kill of humanity this way), we don't know.

Though it doesn't look like that many are looking to be free. A few are, though. And Chara seems to enjoy Undyne, calling her the true heroine.

This, combined with them currently remembering their death, and without any love within them.. Might lead them to believe they were indeed being betrayed. And without a SOUL, that might lead them to start hating other monsters as well.

..Soon enough, they're siding with Frisk that monsters DO need to be destroyed. (Though I haven't found out the proper chain reaction that would lead to that. I believe it does exist, though. Maybe we can find it. Remember, no SOUL, and it starts with Asriel's "betrayal". Other things Chara sees during Frisk's run can appear in the chain as well.)