Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-28128661-20160404143233/@comment-28230527-20160417040827

@PancryPancreas5: Toriel says the same thing about you/Frisk if you replay the game/restart the timeline, if I remember correcty; her saying she somehow recognised the other humans only indicates that the timeline was reset, not that the humans themselves were the ones resetting it, you know? Flowey could have done it easily those times, too, if the other humans had less determination than him.



And yeah, Chara died from poisoning, but poisoning by Asriel's hand  - thus, still an 'attack' by a monster, even if it's a physical one. It's been a theory of mine for a while that monsters absorb humans' souls (like Asriel did with Chara's) only if they strike the final blow; if a human dies from other means (environmental, accidental, illness, etc), their soul seems to just sit there, ready for capture. We don't know how the fight with Asgore went down (if, indeed, it did go down with every one of the humans, though he feels guilt enough to make it believable he was a major cause of at least some of their deaths). He could very well have brought them down to a few HP and just... let them die on their own, trapping their souls that way.



That being said, y'all are forgetting that Asriel soul-merged with Chara after she died. If we're going with "red = determination," he would have access to her determination in addition to whatever he was injected with. Since the genocide route confirms that Chara is ghosting Frisk and controlling them, this could be why Flowey can't reset the timeline with Frisk. Chara and Flowey would likely cancel each other out (due to their powers being the same/shared), and Frisk would be the deciding factor, you know?



What that means for the other souls, I'm not sure. If my theory's correct re: Chara's connection to Flowey, there's too many variables. Did Chara control the other humans, or was that just a thing with Frisk due to their connected colors? How determined were they overall? If they were determined, did they give up willingly or were they forced to give up? etc.