Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26173722-20180625135942/@comment-32182236-20190828224506

I support Jacky's position on the matter. The hypothesis doesn't work.

Here's my own argument against it.

"Remember when Alphys brought Flowey to life? Flowey is Asriel reincarnated but without his soul, but when Asriel died he had both his own soul and Chara's."

Monster SOULs don't survive after death..

"It's not specfically stated how Alphys brought Flowey to life, but it's likely she did so by injecting the flower with determination which not only affected the remanants of Asriel's soul but also affected Chara's soul."

..But Flowey doesn't have a SOUL anymore. That's the reason why he can't feel love.

You're probably thinking of essence, as it was named by the books in the Snowdin Librar(b)y.

"Humans aren't like monsters. Their bodies are made of water not magic, and their souls persist after death. I purpose that Chara's soul, after Alphys created Flowey, returned to her own body which was burried in the Ruins, in the exact spot where Frisk woke up."

...Why would that happen? SOULs don't just return to bodies just because. They persist outside the body.

Asriel's SOUL and Chara's SOUL were combined together when Asriel absorbed Chara's SOUL.

So either the SOUL vanished, as a monster SOUL, or persisted, as a human SOUL.

If it persisted, then it would have either been captured by Asgore (which we know didn't happen), or would have crossed the barrier and gone onto the Surface. (Or vanished into the afterlife.)

"Of course, bringing back the dead doesn't necessarily bring them back exactly the way they were, as seen with Flowey and the Amalgyms."

Flowey couldn't feel because he didn't have a SOUL. The Amalgamates weren't the same because their bodies couldn't handle that much determination.

"This is why Frisk isn't exactly the same as Chara but why Frisk can still be controled by Chara sometimes and has their memories."

...Why can't it just be that Chara is connected to Frisk? We brought them back, as Chara themselves tells us, and their "human SOUL" is not theirs, but OURS.

Frisk is mostly in control, but Frisk is also Chara's vessel. Which is likely part of the reason why Chara's name shows up in the stat menu. "However, Frisk is not the same as Chara. Frisk was brought back used by being injected the determination from the six souls. Those souls don't seem to be as vindictive as Chara, and made Frisk a much kinder person than Chara was."

..What?

If Chara's body was injected with determination, they would be brought back, soulless, in their physical body. They wouldn't get a completely new body.

And who would try to resurrect Chara at this point in time?

"Frisk, however, is mostly being controlled by the player and your actions influence who gets the most control out of the two of them."

...So the player is not Frisk?

...Then how can we tell which actions were Frisk's, and which were Chara's? I'm convinced that nearly every action in cutscenes is Frisk's actions. Only the slash that kills Sans, and every slash thereafter comes from Chara, because that doesn't increase the kill count, and is always a slash, even if you're not using the Real Knife-So it's not coming from our weapon.

"Frisk goes by the name of the fallen child for most of the game. Nobody ever calls them that, except for Asriel at the end, but it's on their status screen the whole game. As far as Frisk themselves are concerned, they are the same person."

...You do know that it came from us naming the fallen human, right? And the feeling we gain when our stats increase is Chara. And since Frisk is Chara's vessel, much of Chara's stats would increase with ours, so these may in fact actually be Chara's stats. (Except EXP and LV.)

Though it does break down with kill count. But since that's only added after 21 kills, it very well could have been an addition by Chara. I'm not sure why it would show up then and only then naturally. Anyone have any ideas?

"They only start being called Frisk at the end of the journey after completing the pacifist run. This is when Frisk completely seperates themselves from Chara and become their own character."

...Nobody asked for Frisk's name before that revelation. They could have.. always been Frisk.

Asgore recognizes a look in our eyes when we see him. It probably reminds him of Chara.. But yet, he doesn't recognize us AS Chara.

The only person that calls us Chara is Flowey. And that's only on the Genocide Route, or VERY late in the Pacifist Route.

"As for where the name comes from, I have a few ideas. Just like how LOVE and EXP are short for Level of Violence and Execution Points, I believe Frisk is short for something too."

Frisk isn't even in capital letters. There's no reason to call it an acronym.