Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-34798955-20180310144518/@comment-32182236-20190121165506

Well, the fact that you're trying to be reasonable is good. Reason is good for me, even if it goes against my hypothesis. I actually used to think Chara was a lot more evil than I see them now. I mean, compare the theory I linked to the theory that was linked WITHIN that link! And I'll respond to your points in a similarly reasonable way.

That naration only appars AFTER you've rolled around in mud. The fact is, you've made it clear to them that you have no intention of killing these monsters. They DO not help you spare until AFTER you've made it clear that you are NOT killing the monster!

So, Chara's priorities apper to be: Fight>Spare>Flee

Yes, that is the ruleset. But remember, Chara couldn't have known about the ruleset. So 2 is impossible. If it was 1, then once again, why is self-defense not justified? Why does Chara take us attacking these killers as us being evil, and as an incentive to be evil?

I mentioned three distinct possibilities for a reason. Was the Froggit attacking us or not? Doesn't matter, because either way, Chara's still pretty evil, one way or another. They're just a little less evil in Possibility 1, and evil for a different reason (turning our justifed killing into unjustified kiling)

Chara hated humanity, Tesla. Why would they trust YOU, a HUMAN, to be their teacher? If they really were as good as you say, why didn't they consider YOU the enemy when you start murdering all the monsters? Why do they HELP you out in killing the ones they love, because you, who they're suposed to HATE, is doing it?

I do believe Toriel cared. But when you're SOULless ("My determination. My human SOUL. They were not mine, but YOURS), and all you see is Toriel taking in a new child and basically forgetting about you, you're probably going to reach the conclusion that you were replaced. Remember, we're looking at Chara's perspective, not what actually happened.

You also have take into consideration that the monsters aren't well-versed in war. Most of them interact with Frisk just fine, as if trying to make peace with the humans. You know.. THE HUMANS. (The NPCs, to be more precise.) Not even Asgore really wants to do what he said he would. And as Toriel pointed out, Asgore could have just freed everyone with just one SOUL. So, wouldn't someone in Chara's point of view then say the monsters aren't TRYING? That they don't CARE about destroying humanity?

Given this, it could be said that from Chara's perspective, monsters aren't even doing their job. The ONE thing that needs to be done..

All the humans would see is a human. No dead body. No murderer. They'd be FAR less likely to attack. And remember, Chara WANTED an attack. But they didn't want it to be justified. Critics of my theory point out that Chara could have faked an attack on their own body, to further make Asriel look bad, and incite an attck, but they fail to see that doing this makes the human attack a JUSTIFIED one, and would completely ruin the message Chara was trying to give to Asriel! Asriel wouldn't reach the conclusion that humans were bad from that!

Chara makes it VERY CLEAR in the tapes what their plan is, and that it's a secret. They needed a reason to go to the surface. Besides, they hated humanity, remember? Why would they GENUINELY want to get buried at the center of a village full of these humans?

Yes, Chara was teaching Asriel about how the humans attack things they don't understand in the ruckus. This was my entire point, and is the exact reason why they cartied the body. Remember, they told Asriel they hated humanity, but they knew this wouldn't be enough. They never answered why, but they were about to answer that question. They were going to SHOW Asriel their nature directly. And to do that, they'd create a situation that had the humans attack. If Chara did not do this, they would never show Asriel this. And they wouldn't be able to continue on with the second half of the plan.

Fortunately for everyone, Asriel didn't get the message, and is still convinced to this day that Chara wanted to keep this a secret, and never intended on telling him.

Not just "may". In the case of Sans, "is". FACTUALLY. If Frisk killed Sans, the kill count would go up. It didn't. It HAD to be Chara. Frisk gained EXP because they still participated in the fight, with all those missed attacks.

How is it "both at the same time?" Either Chara killed everyone or they didn't.

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Why turn on the monsters that you loved? Well, what about if you learned that everything you loved out them.. Turned out to be a total fable? And beyond that, an act of the one you loved most, did something that to you, is so treacherous, that you lost your SOUL from it?

Asriel had a choice. Either he could have gone on with the plan, and killed those humans.. Or he could have done nothing-Killing the both of them, for the sake of humanity. We both know Asriel made the right choice. But let's think about this from Chara's perspective.

Chara hated humanity. Clearly they saw their destruction as a good thing, and their protection as a bad thing. They also liked Asriel, and of course wanted to exist. (You can't exactly destroy humanity if you don't exist.) So, what does Asriel do? He violates both goals at the same time. He gets them killed.. To protect humanity. In a sense, he "defected" from Chara, and "joined" humanity's side, proving to be just as corruptible as the humans are.

Without a SOUL, you can't feel love, hope, or compassion. All that remains is hate, anger, boredom, etc. Given this, Chara wouldn't first have a thought of love, and think this was a noble sacrifice, or that they just need to be shown the right path. After all, that failed with Asriel, right? And since LOVE can't grow.. Hate grows instead. They start to hate monsters with the same extremity as they hate humans, being convinced that monsters are no bette than humans. And so, we get post-death Chara.

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If Chara has one, major flaw.. It's hate. Every act of evil Chara does utimately can be traced back to them putting their hate as their primary directive, overwriting everything else.