Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20181123023529/@comment-32182236-20181227024505

If you're following the evidence, why are there contradictions? Why are there holes? You had failed to account for S/L/R, and once you DID account for it, you still failed, because either Gaster could have reloaded and not died, or Sans could have reloaded to undo Gaster's death. (Assuming they're both human of course) It all depends on who had the ability.

Of course, a savvy logician would note that this is assuming Sans and Gaster are both human:If one or both of them aren't human, there's no problem. Hence my conclusion:At least one of them can't be a human.

Now, to begin my promised no-save analysis. And here, there's only 2 universes, so this should be simple. Remember:You have to show how one of these two DON'T have any holes after all, while I try to point out holes! Look for flaws in my reason, holes in my holes that make them non-holes, or possibilities I missed. That is, if they exist. And again, you only have to do this with ONE of the universes:The one you think the true one is.

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--Universe 1--

Frisk SOMEHOW makes it through to Asgore without dying once. Unlikely? Yes, but this isn't impossible, so no hole here. The fight works as usual, but without Flowey, Asgore kills himself. Given how Frisk wants to SAVE humanity, they don't just leave with Asgore's SOUL.

Toriel returns after Asgore's death, and instates a new policy:All humans who fall should be treated not as enemies, but as friends. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E6ihbat-ow

This includes Frisk. The monsters seem to accept this, and Toriel's making sure the monsters don't lose hope. There's no Sans to TELL Frisk this information, however.. But Toriel herself acting as queen should make it pretty clear.

So, what's with the need for a monster disguise NOW? Your theory stated it was because monsters didn't like humans, but Toriel ruling makes it clear it's shifted. So that hypothesis is eliminated. They're NOT anti-human anymore. When and how does the meeting with Gaster happen?

--Universe 2--

So, Frisk ended up having to kill some monsters. There was just no way to spare these determined guards. They could have gotten the Betrayed Undyne Ending:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehrUE257P9U, but since that keeps the same spirit of monsters liking humans (minus Undyne), this leaves the same hole as before. So, what if they got the Exiled Queen Ending instead? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFww4eFfTSY)

This solves the issue I described in Universe 1, but it creates a new issue. Frisk already gained a BUNCH of Execution Points. So, why wasn't Frisk impure right from that moment? Why did it take Gaster's fall for Frisk to reach a truly impure state, if the EXP was there far, far earlier?

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I would have given four universes, as that's the number that actually exist, but at this phase, we're getting to meeting Gaster in the first place, and him alone. Alphys doesn't play a role yet, so only these base 2 universes matter, the other 2 are just these two but with Alphys NOT working with Gaster when she does in these 2, or vice versa. We'll discuss Alphys as soon as we find out what's the deal with Sans in the first place.