Board Thread:Wiki Discussion/@comment-39447774-20190514202810/@comment-39447774-20190621135231

Tsskyx wrote: He cannot truly care about Chara. He wants to, but he's unable to:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B6gS2LPXdIc5bU1IdktUZ1pSN28

Saying that he cares about them when he has the souls is obvious, since at that moment, he can feel love. But not here.

As for the very end, there, he once again cannot feel love, but he's trying to be a nice person. He's feeling no attachment, but he feels morally obligated to act like he does. That's called compassion, and you don't need to be able to "feel" to have that.

>if we really loved them i doubt that we would kill them out of Curiosity

Believe it or not, that's precisely what some players did, they refused to kill Papyrus, even though they were curious.

>how that could be anything but sadness?

And how exactly do you know he felt sadness and not frustration, hmm? He said it himself, he's unable to feel anything. That encompasses ALL emotions, aside from the "primal" ones. And killing yourself because you have no feelings whatsoever is just as probable as killing yourself because you cannot feel anything but negative emotions. In fact, in his case, frustration is more likely, since why would the soul be responsible for only the positive emotions, and not also the negative ones? No, the game is constantly showing us how frustrated he is and not sad. Sadness didn't drive him to suicide, frustration did. Frustration from not being able to feel anything.

I can even see that after he regained his love, immense grief and regret struck him. Why would it if he could feel those even without a soul? Why would he regain the good AND the bad all of sudden upon gaining a soul?

No no no, he cannot feel love, happiness, joy, but also the opposites, sadness, grief and regret stemming from bad consciousness. All of these things, the good AND the bad, are the product of his soul. Without a soul, there's none of this.

>theres no evidences that he cant feel hapiness

No, you don't understand the principle of happiness. Happiness (as well as comfort and affection) induces joy. So does love. Ergo, he could well substitute one for the other. But he didn't. Instead, he killed himself. That's because he cannot feel happiness (or any of the other ones). I didn't get this from anywhere, this is basic logic.

Jfc I hate this fandom sometimes, you all act as if basic logic does not apply to Undertale just because it's not explicitly stated that it does.

>he take joy in others's suffering

Wrong, he takes entertainment in others' suffering. There's a difference in that. Entertainment, aka distraction, is not synonymous with joy. What you're basically saying is, that he lost the ability to feel joy from good things, and gained the ability to feel joy from bad things, which is a totally retarded conclusion. As I said, if he COULD feel something that gives him joy, he would substitute it for love (which originally used to give him joy) and wouldn't commit a suicide.

Only AFTER learning that he can just take everything back through time travel did the value of others' lives go down for him. He does not take joy in others' suffering, he's merely seeking entertainment. He wants to see more things, new things, even if those things are unspeakable and horrendous. That however doesn't mean that they bring him joy. If they did, he wouldn't be scaling it. If one thing gave him joy, he would keep repeating it. But instead, he demands to see more and more things, he's never satisfied, always wants more, because nothing is bringing him true joy. That's not sadness, that's boredom. He's not seeking joy, he's seeking entertainment, to DISTRACT HIMSELF FROM THE FACT THAT HE CANNOT PHYSCIALLY FEEL ANY POSITIVE OR CONSCIOUS EMOTIONS (by conscious, I mean those that are negative, but also relate to your consciousness: so for example grief or guilt, but not fear or rage).

Can he feel regret, is he depressed? Yes. But both of those have their roots in frustration, not in grief.

>its only stated that he cant feel love and compassion

You cannot "feel" compassion, compassion is the ability to help others, and you can totally be compassionate even though you have no empathy or sympathy for others. As an autistic person, I know this from personal experience. Asriel isn't a good person: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAA9puWt2wE.

Come on, man! Asriel lied about loving her parents, because if that were true, the Flowey would have gone to the surface.

And just to clarify, Asriel knows he's in a game, preventing his story from being intact.

I hate Dreemurr Reborn and Endertale!