Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-29855659-20170630205901/@comment-29855659-20170701105309

Fastrthnwind wrote: Way back during the War, Humans could use magic and they also had a way to combine their power (such as when making the Barrier) so it is relatively unknown how their power worked at the time. Its highly probable that only one human (the one with the highest determination of all of them) COULD reset, BUT because all the humans had similar levels of determination, they would remember it as well and use that against the monsters so that there were no casualties.

Flowey remembers your resets because he had enough determination at one point to reset himself. Even the previous humans that fell in the Underground had a limited ability to save/load/reset as mentioned by Toriel when she says that feels like she's met you already (after meeting her again from a load/reset) and felt the same way with the other humans as well. I admit, I didn't think of that. This would indeed explain the war of monsters and humans. But what confuses me is the fact that the human children could reset. According to Flowey they'd have to be stronger than him. Yet Flowey is completely surprised that you can save ("Chara! Your Determination! Somehow it's even greater than mine!"). If the humans could actually reset and load and save, then Flowey would have lost his powers as long as they were in the underground. Also they must be horrible if they got killed by Asgore, although they could just load. I admit, the fight is probably somewhere in the top 5 of difficult undertale fights, but it is not impossible. And the places where the items are imply that most of them died even earlier. If they could save, then why are they dead?

Also: What is the connection between DT and "respawn"? Frisk seems to be able to respawn during the Asriel fight, something the player him/herself never was capable of. It looks like Frisk saves during the fight? Undyne does "respawn" when she gets killed in the Genocide route too, but the player can still load their save file, which shouldn't be possible if Undyne respawned by saving. And the Amalgamates came back from death too, which shouldn't have been possible because either Flowey or Humanity existed at that time. Undyne and the Amalgamates do have DT, but they don't remember the saves, as shown when you spare an amalgamate and go back to your save (I never tried out, but I think I would have heard if they 'd spare you). Flowey does. How does all of that fit together?

And if the humans died during the war and then loaded, then why didn't the monsters just take the souls of the dead humans and used the save powers they acquire this way to stop the human(s) from loading their save files (like Photoshop Flowey)?