Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-30390828-20161120192150/@comment-27089028-20170729075346

Rafip wrote: Starscream1998 wrote:

Rafip wrote: ''Souls break, it is visible in the game why is Chara suddenly the grand exception? When a human or monster dies we see their soul shatter into pieces.'' You didn't get the point. Chara isn't exception to the rule. I am trying to point out that there are currently two types of death. Frisk's human Soul breaks because all attacks are aimed directly at it, even lasers. This is what destroys it. Chara has died because flowers poisoned and killed their body, not Soul. Humans in village injured Asriel's body and when it died and turned into dust, Chara's Soul stayed intact because it simply wasn't under attack. Also deprived of bodies Souls of six humans didn't break and are intact - their death was similar to Chara's and different from Frisk's deaths. ''But humans have one weakness. Ironically, it is the strength of their SOUL. Its power allows it to persist outside the human body, even after death...'' - Ancient Glyphs. Unless directly attacked and destroyed, Chara's Soul, the very culmination of their being, stays intact and operational - they are alive. It's heavily established Chara is deader than dodo, maybe not gone for good but dead yes he must certainly is. Dead but not quite dead. Noice. ...Frisk can literally die of poison during the game... Could you elaborate on that? I think I must have missed something.

Their SOUL may have broken rendering them physically dead, but pieces of them may have lingered on and anchored them to their world from their determination. Soul breaking and falling into pieces equals its destruction - it is game over, the end of that Soul and simultaneously end of its owner. Also, are you trying to say that Soul pieces can be glued with DT or something, or entire Soul can regenerete from one small piece? I don't get it. After all, Flowey was basically Asriel's dust... Primarily, monster Soul is different than human Soul - it has been shown in game. They are incomparable. Jesus Ch- ok my fault for not making my idea about the metaphysics of souls in Undertale very clear I apologise. Imagine the Soul is like...an egg right and that the hard shell of the egg is the Soul which allows us to feel emotions and keeps us stable and it's the part that breaks open after death. Now imagine the yolk as being 'essence' or the source of consciousness inside of the emotional shell that is the Soul. This helps explain how Flowey can posses Asriel's consciousness but not his ability to feel emotions and how Chara's consciousness exists inside of Frisk and at the same time the only soul Frisk has is his own. It may also explain how Chara was able to exist inside of Frisk and none of the other fallen children as they are both compatible determination souls.

So I hope that makes the angle I'm going for a little clearer.