Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31371445-20170222233857/@comment-32182236-20180727232026

"I wouldn't be so sure on that. Nearly no one uses the green attack in the game, even after we can spare them, even after we encounter the same monster for a second time."

Firstly, we don't encounter the same monster twice. Two of the same species doesn't mean it's literally the same monster-Else Froggit rose from the dead a total of 19 (or 20) times in some Genocide Runs. There's more than one of a species of a monster! Else they couldn't reproduce! (Come on, they don't reproduce asexually.)

Look. Them saying that you CAN spare them doesn't mean they won't attack. Humans have the initiative of battle, they would expect you to spare them right away. Deciding NOT to and continue the fight means the monster makes their move:And the lack of sparing indicates you wish the fight to continue. What, are they going to just heal you and let you kill them? No! They are just actually going to let you stop fighting, if that's what you want. If you don't want to keep being attacked, just spare them already!

"Of course he did. We provoked him. Still, I wouldn't call that an attack. He just woke up and started crying at us. Though, in his case, his tears do harm other monsters."

Which means it counts as an attack. His tears would have "harmed" us, by putting us into a FIGHT, like any other case of magical harm on the overworld (lasers, magic spears..)

"Which they do, save for a few exceptions such as Woshua, Vegetoid and others I can't recall right now."

You're a human, and there's a fight going on. Why would they want to heal the enemy? Of COURSE the vast majority of monsters won't use green attacks:Why heal the enemy? That's just a bad move strategically speaking. Tell me, how does HEALING THE ENEMY make you more likely to win the fight? It's better to assume the others CAN use the green magic, but just don't becaue it's not a good idea to help the guy you want dead, then to say these particular monsters are strangely special in the same way in this regard, despite living in completely different biomes.

"But is implied. White attacks seem to be the norm."

Because they're the most effective at the job of attacking. Come on, this is basic stuff.

"So that's what I'm asssuming they're communicating with. Healing attacks might be difficult to conjure, just like training to be a medic is difficult too."

Those two things are completely different. Really, as Vegetoid has demonstrated, it's just as easy as a regular attack-It mashes together with them fine, with no significant extra effort required for the green one.

"The game is full of conditional effects, or 'if else' statements. If I don't see the monsters ever talk at the same time, save for one special case which belongs to a different group altogether, I won't just assume the same goes for the monsters from the normal group."

Most of which aren't even mentioned in the game itself, and are mainly to determine events within the game. If we want a physical world, we want self-consistent rules. The reason why multiple monsters don't tend to speak at the same time is that they just don't have a reason to. They only respond to your actions, and you can only act on one of them per turn-Therefore, naturally, there's just never a reason. It's not some universal rule this time.

"And I don't believe they would just stop questioning it now. Especially since I don't think they fully know what's going on."

They know enough. They know it all on the basic, surface level. Kind of like us with physics back in Newton's time. They know that turns exist, how an action ends said turn, that on the humans' turn, the monster has a chance to get attacked by.. something, using up that turn, and that the SOUL apparently vanishes to some unknown place after the monsters' turn has expired. They've adapted to this. 1000+ years (War-Frisk's time) can do this.

"Exactly why I'm surprised they didn't question it. Suddenly the soul disappears from existence and they're supposed to be content with it?"

Kind of like how we were content with seeing a bee fly. Some people questioned it, but the general population didn't. Of course, now we know how it's possible, but for the longest time, it seemed to contradict aerodynamics. But most people didn't stop to question it. They know the SOUL apparently vanishes, maybe every now and then they try to think of where it might be, but they won't get all surprised seeing it happen for the 42nd time, or seeing it happen when it's already been taught to them was a very real mechanic.

"They have no logical natural explanation, that's how they're artificial."

Neither do the laws I brought up. There's no explanation to why mass distorts space-time. No explanation for why charges exist. No explanation for why the quantum world is this weird. There. That's how they're artificial:At least by your standards.

"Nah. He should have felt it in the genocide route too then, but didn't."

Remember, Chara makes the blow to kill Sans. At this point, they're already starting to become separate from Frisk. Plus, considering their demeanor in Flowey's story, Chara would more than likely give Asgore a creepy face.. Which might explain why Asgore doesn't think you're a human-Chara's already well on their way to becoming a demon..

"I did not understand a word. The human souls were destroyed, since all of their determination, all of their soul power, was used up for the destruction of the barrier."

Why no shatter? Why no tiny SOUL pieces? Why no dust? Also, why sre the tombs empty? Shouldn't there still be skeletons in there? We should have decomposed tissue, with the skeleton staying intact. Unless the humans were ressurected somehow..

"The monsters together amassed to just over one human soul, so they survived it (distributing the power grab across all of them, which would leave them all very weak, but all alive)."

Why didn't Asriel share some of that power with the six SOULs?

6+1=7, 1.001-1=.001, so yes, monsters could survive. But (.9999*6)+1.0006 is ALSO 7. (.9999*6)-6=.0006, so the humans could survive, and 1.001-1.0006=.0004, so monsters survive too. Everyone lives!

"Not like this. But I guess that works. We do see our HP bar when Flowey steals the HUD. But that would be possible only if he was in control and saved. Plus, he was also in his true form there, as well as in his God of Hyperdeath form, changing back and forth, which is possible only if he had an access to the monster souls, as well as enough human souls to surpass Frisk in DT."

Alright, let me explain what SOUL magic is. SOUL magic is essentially what is used to do all the nice stuff you do with SOUL power. SOUL power determines the maximum amount of SOUL magic you can have at a time. This essentially would explain why someone with five SOULs can do things that would take the power of one SOUL more than five times (though not all at once.) Since it drains their SOUL magic, and not raw SOUL power, they don't permanately lose power. This is why the monsters do fine and well in the TP ending, rather than, say, barely be able to walk. It restores itself. Use 1 unit, and it'll just come back. It's a maximum amount of energy you can use all at once-Kind of like actual power and strength-You can't make a force of 100KJ, but I'm sure over your lifetime, you've added up to making a TOTAL of at least that much force.

Now, Asriel absorbed the seven SOULs, broke the Barrier, and then then, afterwards, released them. But in between these two events, his SOUL magic was restored to its maximum at the time. But, now it can't be generated anymore, due to the lack of a SOUL. This is how he's able to retain his form. But now, the magic WILL start going down permanately:Use up 1 unit, and it's not gone forever. In our case, it would be like if you used up energy, you never got it back. EVER. This is why he's doomed to becoming Flowey.

"We can always run away, save for boss fights, which we are determined to go through."

Our attempts can fail, and also, maybe we're not determined to go through them. Maybe we had no idea about the fight, and want to run away to prepare and/or just skip the boss fight by fleeing. We SHOULD, by all means, be able to run away if there's no rule saying we can't. There HAS to be something stopping us. Same thing here.

"So why shouldn't the monsters be able to run?"

The same reason why we can't.

"I guess these ones knew already, since, you know, Asgore told them. Except for that Froggit at the end I guess."

So they knew already, and didn't want to state the obvious? Hmm, sounds familiar.. OH WAIT. That's what I've been saying about the monsters THIS WHOLE TIME. Why can't this be the case elsewhere?

And if it's not that, then tell me, why didn't they say you were a human, when they knew full-well?