Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31536324-20190117214835/@comment-31536324-20190213175434

"'Then he was doing so for his own amusement''

So... when he's not bored, he doesn't talk to you about you doing nonsensical things? He even called us out for trolling him once."

He's following you throughout the whole game, he's enjoying his new role as a spectator.

"Imo this also fits that category. And once again, the shock comes from Frisk undoing their own progress, since that doesn't help either one of them."

Asriel Fight Quotes: "After I defeat you and gain total control over the timeline... I just want to reset everything. (Before Chaos Saber)

All your progress... Everyone's memories. I'll bring them all back to zero! (Before Shocker Breaker)

Then we can do everything ALL over again. (Before Star Blazing)

And you know what the best part of all this is? You'll DO it. (Before Chaos Buster)

And then you'll lose to me again. (Before Chaos Saber)

And again. (Before Chaos Buster)

And again!!! (Before Shocker Breaker II)

Because you want a "happy ending." (Before Galacta Blazing)

Because you "love your friends." (Before Chaos Slicer)

Because you "never give up." (Before Chaos Blaster)

Isn't that delicious? Your "determination." The power that let you get this far... It's gonna be your downfall! (Before Shocker Breaker II)

Now, ENOUGH messing around! It's time to purge this timeline once and for all! (Before Hyper Goner)

... even after that attack, you're still standing in my way...? Wow... you really ARE something special. But don't get cocky. Up until now, I've only been using a fraction of my REAL power! Let's see what good your DETERMINATION is against THIS!!(After Hyper Goner – Before Angel of Death)

(Angel of Death)

Urah ha ha... Behold my TRUE power! I can feel it... Every time you die, your grip on this world slips away. Every time you die, your friends forget you a little more. Your life will end here, in a world where no one remembers you...

Still you're hanging on...? That's fine. In a few moments, you'll forget everything, too. That attitude will serve you well in your next life!

Ura ha ha... Still!? Come on... Show me what good your DETERMINATION is now!"

"'Am I seriously going to have to forbid anything Toby related from this thread? Because this is just ridiculous. Calling a man's skills into question just to validate a point you have, really?''

It's a part of the equation."

Not in this thread. Stop.

"'I guess any part of the monster that's detached before death doesn't fade to dust.''

And after? To my knowledge, there is no change regarding the fur after Toriel dies."

I assume the same is true, if it's still there.

"'And what are these "if-else" statements?''

Exceptions to the rules we raise. If we remove these exceptions, we will get a better overall theory, in theory."

Here are my rules:

Rule 1: If you can't access it in regular gameplay, and what can't be has no relevance to the world in any way, it's not canon.

Rule 2: If it's referenced, directly spoken about, and abused by a character or characters beyond a single joke then it is canon.

"'No, that's not that at all, and I still fail to see this imaginary plot hole that you've deluded yourself into believing exist.''

The core principle is, that by all means of logic, we shouldn't have the reload ability in that battle."

Why?

"'Except he does know he's not in control, he literally says it.''

Then why is he fighting you?"

To kill you and regain control.

"'I have no idea where you got the idea that he didn't.''

Because I never said any such thing. What he had as OF? I think he has it in this battle too."

I don't see him deleting out SAVE File, having access to his own, and constantly loading during the fight and his own death. In fact, that last one literally matches up with the power to SAVE. So, yeah, he does have it.

"'The other traits.''

Well thank you that's literally all I wanted to know. So, SP = DT + X, where X is the collective power of the other traits. Gotcha."

I don't really get what was hard to see here.

"'I did: take out the double meta meaning and you have a basic cosmic horror story set in a world based out of intelligent design. Simple.''

Yeah. That's what I still have a beef with. That this "meta" stuff, that cannot be found in our own universe, is actually real in this one. I mean, it does imply a simulation that way, or as you've put it, an intelligent design, and I'm not in favor of this idea, because I don't feel like it is. It's certainly not the game's core point, so it seems like a redundant assumption to me.

This is exactly why so many people hate Glitchtale. Because it's focusing on these mechanics rather than what Undertale actually highlighted."

Have we been watching the same web series? Because the only way it "focuses" on that is how it affects the plot. It still primarily focuses on the story, characters, and feelings. These other people must be delusional.

"'Meta is things refrencing other things outside the material and medium.''

I'm mostly using that word to label the things which would otherwise seem as just your standard RPG mechanic which are not actually literally canon... except they are here. Which is what I mean when I say that the "meta is canon."

What your labeling is not meta by the actual use and definition of the word. Just use the word mechanics, it fits better with what you're saying, and doesn't create confusion.

"'He had access to his own SAVE, deleted Frisk, and LOADED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FIGHT AND HIS OWN DEATH ANIMATION!''

He still didn't demonstrate the reset ability."

SAVE, LOAD, and RESET are the same thing, one is estaishing a SAVE Point, the other is loading your current SAVE Point, and the last is loading your original SAVE Point.

"'The Pacifist ending outright names Frisk, showing that he's notthe character that we named.''

That just means that the save file belonged to Chara. It doesn't prove the existence of the player."

Chara Quotes:

"Greetings. I am . Thank you. Your power awakened me from death. My "human soul"...My "determination"...They were not mine, but YOURS. At first, I was so confused. Our plan had failed, hadn't it? Why was I brought back to life?

...You.

With your guidance. I realized the purpose of my reincarnation. Power. Together, we eradicated the enemy and became strong.

HP. ATK. DEF. GOLD. EXP. LV.

Every time a number increases, that feeling...That's me.

"."

Now. Now we have reached the absolute. There is nothing left for us here.

Let us erase this pointless world, and move on to the next."

Frisk is the one with the power, the Anomaly/Player is the one guiding them, and Chara is the one getting stronger due to the file being under their name.