Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20181229180615/@comment-26006155-20181231170404

This video is really good, by the way: "Undertale LOST BITS / Unused Content and Debug Mode [TetraBitGaming]" https://youtu.be/Yv0s_r7RaK4

There are a lot of interesting things here, but the biggest one I've seen so far that I hadn't heard of before was an explanation for what it means to "Fall Down":

https://i.imgur.com/s1YbcN5l.jpg

"Unfortunately, monsters are not experienced with illness. However, when monsters are about to expire of age, they lie down, immobile. We call this state "Fallen Down". A person who has Fallen Down will soon perish."

The whole Falling Down phenomenon features heavily in my Monster Soul Thief theory, and this is the most direct statement about it I've found.

RIght away, this establishes that disease is almost nonexistant between monsters. So no random virus did this. The only official reason why monsters Fall Down is old age.

However, this doesn't explain why Shyren's cousin is in Lemonbread. This is a young monster, just like Aaron. She should have been immune to Falling Down. Something else struck her, and it wasn't disease.

And Undyne still acts as the control group for how determinationj should effect monsters, and while she got stronger, the Falllen Down monsters turned to mush.

There's a possiblity I've been entertaining that Undyne might not be the only monster with determination, either.

The best theory is that Undyne got her determination when one of the six human died or bled on a patch of long grass. Alphys declared this patch Scientifically Protected, then ground it turn the green grass into Pink Glop.

Undyne loves to eat this stuff, although she says she hates normal ice cream, and considers the Pink Glop something different.

But while hurridly confessing her feelings to Undyne during the garbage dump date, Alphys quickly blurts out that she just uses that grass to make what she considers to be ice cream.

Alphys doesn't seem to have deliberately infected Undyne with determination, more that it was a happy accident that happened while sharing a treat.

....

Which means it's very likely that ALPHYS has also eaten this Pink Sherbert, during her marathon anime-watching junk food sessions.

We never do fight Alphys herself during the game... Swankybox theories Alphys commits suicide if you destroy Mettaton, so eliminating him kills her by proxie. But we never get to see what this looks like.

Something to watch for later on.