Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31536324-20190117214835/@comment-27136653-20190215061905

So you think Toby is GOOD enough not to make Sueish plots and Deus Ex Machina, and NOT good enough to put in code that he ALREADY USED?

I mean, where WOULD he put it? There are no logical checkpoints in this battle, unlike in the OF battle. I've said it numerous times already, he preferred the feels, rather than rigid logic. And thus, I also feel like to him, Undertale is finished, and he won't be coming back to it anymore. Which he also more or less stated himself already: https://www.deltarune.com/help/

If he is, he would have filled in the plot hole.

There is a difference between making an engaging story and world building. Besides, he used glass tiles to fix sprite issues. Doesn't seem like the act of a person who is taking the logic of his game all that seriously.

Instead, we'll use Death of the Author, because paradoxically, that usually gets us CLOSER to what the author was going to do.

Well I mean, if you want to explain how this world works by 100% adhering to the canon, then by all means, go for it. But Toby is definitely a part of the equation, so we must ask ourselves, do we want to uncover the FULL truth (which might help us identify which parts of the game could just be up to our own interpretation, as opposed to being rigidly canon), or do we wanna have fun with the plot and treat it according to our own logic? (which boils our task down to forming complex multi-topic theories and then comparing them with each other)

''Mistakes in plots have become canon later on before. For instance, the first Matrix movie breaking the second law of thermodynamics.. was a plot hole! But it was given a made-up explanation in the second movie!''

But it wouldn't if they didn't make the sequel. And Toby isn't gonna make a sequel, I'm sure of that by now.

If your entire theory relies on assumptions about Toby Fox

It certainly factors him in. Besides, if guessing the author is not okay, then I guess making up head canons solely to unify various parts of the game without any proof is not okay either (like, thinking the other traits can also be extracted, despite there being no proof for this). As both involve guessing (educated guessing).

If we see an exception to a rule, the conclusion we should make is that the rule is not actually a rule.

Please, try explaining what Mad Dummy meant about his cousin, about how ghosts work when possessing and when fusing with a physical object, as well as what he said about other monsters. I'll try using some other person's argument to show how many exceptions there are in his own words, if they're meant to uncover to us how monster and ghost bodies work. If you disprove me, excellent, I'll have something to use against them. If not, I win the argument here (and lose against them). You can use this to gather evidence and write down your conclusions: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B6gS2LPXdIc5Zll6YzVna3dZQms

Really, the HUD is just overlayed over the overworld

In other words, you're not assuming they the same thing? Isn't that already making an exception?

The turns are not a fundamental rule, but rather, the result of not being able to teleport when you've used up your magic and haven't gotten any back from stray bullets and/or are being interfered with by magic bullets.

That's just shifting the goalpost. Instead of asking about the HUD itself, we're now asking about teleportation.