Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-10788405-20160720031315/@comment-10788405-20160722021549

i'm not arguing that he regained his compassion complteley, or that Chara still had some sort of control that influenced Flowey, albeit dormant.

I'm only speculating, remember that when Asriel regained his true form and attacked us, he still seemed to be like Flowey but with a wider scope of destruction. I can think of a few reasons as to why photoshop Flowey's compassion could be reawakened (remember that it requires two individuals to reawaken one's lost trait, the abomination and the "savior"). I think that the most likely reason is that photoshop Flowey was still physically an abomination, other reasons include sheer horror that Frisk was experiencing or even just his determination to stay alive.

Now, altering my description of abominations, I no longer think that they only need one or two souls. You describe that they need 7 souls to be able to regain their form, or at least the equivalent of 7 souls (Flowey never absorbs 7 human souls, he absorbs 6 and all the thousands of monster souls in the underground). I agree with this, it would take a lot of power for an abomination to regain a form stuck in his memory that's long lost to the abyss, as it would require (possibly) tearing open space-time to reach into another world to pull that form out for the abomination's conscious to inhabit, and possibly more so to bring back the lost trait in a dormant state. That would require a hell of a lot of power.

What I fail to understand, is why Asriel after regaining his true form and having his dormant compassion awakened, will eventually turn back into Flowey over time despite having the power of 1-6 human Souls. It should take a lot less power to prevent Asriel's body from re-entering the abyss and to keep the trait alive as well.

Which reminds me, I think one of the reasons as to why the souls rebelled against Flowey, apart from the fact that Frisk seemed to appeal to them, is that even in this form, Flowey was still physically an abomination. He may have had a soul within him, but he was still physically an abomination, and those souls may have been rejecting him. He states before the fight that "I can feel them wriggling inside me", take that how you will, but I think it's the souls being discontented and trying to escape their new host. It doesn't seem to take much to appeal to them, so that makes me think that they were trying to escape him from the moment they were absorbed. Heavy speculation, and i don't feel like It's very strong.

To sum it all up, I accept that it would take sh*tloads of power for an abomination to regain his lost form and trait (possibly). I accept that the trait may have to be probed whilst dormant to reawaken it (methods include forcing them into old memories, showing them an old object such as a photo or Asriel's heart locket in this case, anything that they feel the lost trait towards). What I don't accept or understand, is why he can't maintain his regained form and trait upon the latter's regaining and the former's reawakening.