Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-28974149-20180305043309/@comment-28974149-20180325061437

TheHumanAmbassador wrote: "Well we don't know that for sure, plus "Mad Scientist" can't just be who he is it's too incomplete and one dimensional, and as Toby said, this game contains Great Characters."

Doesn't mean all of them are. Besides, the Annoying Dog is one-dimensional... Also, his specific type of science, WHY he's a mad scientist.. These are all questions to be asked. After all, Flowey's a murdrer who kills for fun. Seems one-dimensional, and it IS one-dimensional.. Until you find out why.

"Besides his experiments do seem sensible, he was basically doing what Alphys was doing except he didn't recklessly inject everything with Determination, he seems to have wanted to give Monsters or himself the ability to DT Time travel and tested it on himself.. leading to his demise. And possibly even Sans' shortcut power. Which is interesting, it's alot more like debug mode than Save/Load, it was even better than our power..... Maybe his plan was to go back to the war and change fate."

Exactly, he wasn't recklessly putting DT into people. He put DT into himself to recklessly experiment on the timelines, and shattered himself across time and space.

"Accoring to Toriel puzzles are "Ancient fusions between diversions and doorkeys." it's a cultural heritage thing as seen by the Elder Puzzler NPC's distates in the kids today not knowing how to do a REAL puzzle, not a defense thing."

Do you not know what either of those two things are? Doorkeys are to block the way. To stop people from coming in. Diversions are to divert things away. So, it's actually evidence that puzzles were in fact created to stop humans.

"We don't REALLY know this, what if it's like matpat's theory and they're half and half? What if Gaster looked alot like Sans (which he seems to do) and that's why the narrator, who has been wrong before, confuses them for Sans. It's not really confirmed what the connection is but that is a possibility."

Sans worked for Gaster. Sans couldn't have worked for Gaster is Sans is literally a half OF Gaster. Therefore, Sans is not half of Gaster. He's Gaster's son.

"An interesting thing to note is the Gaster Blaster is a magical attack, not a piece of technology, as they are bone colored and have no metal parts, unlike say the CORE or DT extractor, and as we know a monster's magic spells are related to who they are as a person... Sans and Papyrus manifest Gaster Blasters... This could imply two things. Sans and Papyrus are some how pieces of Gaster. Or Sans and Papyrus are biologically related to Gaster and thus "Gaster" would be their last name."

They're all skeletons. The only known ones, for that matter. So.. The latter is true. I debunked the former above anyway.

"We know Alphys was not involved as she was living in the capital during Gaster's time and was only allowed to become royal scientist because Gaster went missing and the mysterious position was available. We know Alphys, from her screw ups and carelessness is not the scientific type, she's the geeky type. There is a difference, Asgore. The only reason she could do things like build Mettaton was because she already spent time building replicas of Anime characters. Hell, Mettaton's EX body is an Anime character design. Mettaton who was tired of box form just happened to like the design. Alphys probably just used an OC."

It took him a long time. Also, the robot with an artificial SOUL was enough to do that. Sure, it wasn't truly artificial, but Alphys still managed to do SOMETHING unbelievable. She was able to create an artificial vessel for a SOUL, specifically, Happstablook's SOUL. So she is a real scientist. And SOULs were proven to be impossible to artificially replicate anyway. Alphys herself notes this in her lab entries. (I believe it was either entry 2, 3, or 4) "Doesn't mean all of them are. Besides, the Annoying Dog is one-dimensional... Also, his specific type of science, WHY he's a mad scientist.. These are all questions to be asked. After all, Flowey's a murdrer who kills for fun. Seems one-dimensional, and it IS one-dimensional.. Until you find out why."

Yes but it doesn't mean there are some that aren't either. Well, the Annoying dog is Toby, so it depends on his dimensionality...

Exactly. It's not one dimensional if there is a realisitic human-like (and I mean this in the storytelling way not the lore way) reason behind it. The knowledge behind this science could have driven him mad. As Royal scientist he surely just wanted to help his species escape. I've heard it said there is no such thing as a happy scientist. All that knowledge.

"Exactly, he wasn't recklessly putting DT into people. He put DT into himself to recklessly experiment on the timelines, and shattered himself across time and space."

Well we don't know if he really got to try it out, the experiment was likely a failure at least for him. Either it worked for Sans or as a piece of him Sans was able to handle that power but either way the DT infusion melted him and gave him way too much time power, leading to his infusion with time and space.

"Do you not know what either of those two things are? Doorkeys are to block the way. To stop people from coming in. Diversions are to divert things away. So, it's actually evidence that puzzles were in fact created to stop humans."

Diversions are also entertainment, diverting your attention. And Doorkeys are used by anyone who wants someone else not to enter. Be it an enemy species or a thief. Either way Gaster was into the craze, he created a pretty convoluted system.

"Sans worked for Gaster. Sans couldn't have worked for Gaster is Sans is literally a half OF Gaster. Therefore, Sans is not half of Gaster. He's Gaster's son."

Sans would be working AS Gaster in that case. It holds.

​​​​​Again, not confirmed. I'm not saying Matpat's is I'm just saying we can't know for sure into the game is released.

"They're all skeletons. The only known ones, for that matter. So.. The latter is true. I debunked the former above anyway."

Maybe. Maybe not.

"It took him a long time. Also, the robot with an artificial SOUL was enough to do that. Sure, it wasn't truly artificial, but Alphys still managed to do SOMETHING unbelievable. She was able to create an artificial vessel for a SOUL, specifically, Happstablook's SOUL. So she is a real scientist. And SOULs were proven to be impossible to artificially replicate anyway. Alphys herself notes this in her lab entries. (I believe it was either entry 2, 3, or 4)"

Not at all. Happstablook (Papyrus's headcanon name by the way.) just did what ghost do, and possesed it. And since they felt so in tune with the body they became corporeal their soul becoming part of the robot. Mad Dummy explains this. That whole thing is a lie. Alphys and Mettaton have colluded in a lie twice, not just when we went by there but in the past.

Yep.