Thread:Halibee/@comment-38493938-20190902173056/@comment-4015220-20190903191939

Okeirany wrote: Mrs. Halibee.

You have repeatedly attempted to argue that Chara is evil, and yet you've only used the same three arguments against at least thirty-six (I counted because, unlike you, I pay attention to detail). I can easily destroy your three in one message.

One: Chara erased the world!

Yes, Chara may have indeed deleted the world, but isn't that what you just did? Chara woke up right after being murdered by humans, along with their brother. Then they come back and see a single human, eradicating everything in sight. And they are forced to follow. They can't walk away or talk to anyone. They are forced to witness the actions of a genocidal child who is destroyng their home. You basically just erased their world, so they'll erase yours.

Two: Chara wanted to destroy humanity!/Chara took over Asriel!

Where does it ever say they wanted to destroy humans? In the dialogue, they tell Asriel about their plan to kill themself and have Asriel take their soul, then go to the surface and take six human souls to break the barrier. Asriel was hesitant but when Chara told him that it would set monsters free, he agreed. When they went to the surface, humans attacked. Chara urged Asriel to fight back so he wouldn't die, and forced Asriel to the side to defend him. Asriel made them stop, and took control right back. Chara did take over Asriel for a few seconds, but they only did that to protect him. If Chara truly only wanted to destroy humanity, they could have easily just killed the Dreemurrs themself and used their souls, but they didn't. They wanted to free monsters, not destroy humans.

Three: Chara controlled Frisk!

Chara only killed on their own in three instances. They struck a second time during the Sans fight to end it because they know that if the human died again, they would have just come back and carried on. They struck down Asgore in one blow because they didn't want to see their father suffer a long and drawn out death, or a painful one. And when they killed Flowey? Guess what? You have to press [z] to begin attacking. Chara hesitates. They could handle killing one family member, but they couldn't kill another one. And, in this time, you are still able to exit the game. Chara hesitates because they can't kill their brother, their best friend, on their own, and tries to make it so you can leave, stop killing, and fix everything. Unless you push them. Unless you press [z] and Chara enters a frenzy, slashing over and over blindly so they don't have to aim, don't have to directly watch their brother's demise.

YOU push them. YOU made them perform the actions at the end of the genocide run. You killed all monsters, so they killed all humans. Hence why they say that you showed them their purpose. You taught them that they needed to kill, that murder was the answer. You made them into what they are. And when they don't let you come back? They specifically ask you 'You think you are above consequences?' You're not. You're the one who caused the no mercy route and corrupted Chara. No one else. So please, stop trying to blame a dead fictional child for your own actions. What a load of crap! THAT'S THE DUMBEST THING I'VE EVER HEARD IN MY LIFE!!! No wonder you people keep arguing about this! You don't even know how to put up a decent argument. For someone who supposedly "pays attention to details" you sure are dumb. If you're gonna argue about this, then don't bring up the "player". In case you haven't noticed, IT'S A VIDEO GAME DUMMY!! IT'S PART OF THE STORY!! That is such a lame argument and excuse.

Destroy my arguments? Guess what, you didn't. And I can prove it by easily destroying yours.

1. Chara was not "forced" to do anything, if watching Frisk kill all the monsters was so "painful" for her, then she should've looked away. Or better yet, she could've done something.

2. Obviously, you don't pay as much attention as you claim. Asriel clearly says that Chara was in full control the entire time after he absorbed her soul, he said and I quote "They were carrying their own body". Asriel only regained control once Chara was getting ready to attack the humans.

Oh and here's another thing you obviously didn't notice. While Chara could easily take out every monster in the underground, humans are an entirely different matter. She's only one person after all, and a child nonetheless. They can easily kill her. Which is why she needed Asriel, since Asriel can become stronger after absorbing a human soul, so she could use his power to eradicate the humans.

And three, I think I've already proved my point on that. Unless you want to continue arguing on something that's completely pointless, in which case, you'll be proving my point.