Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-28128661-20160404143233/@comment-27701762-20160405230618

Yosevinc wrote: Venithil wrote: There is a possibility that 'tis a mix of both.

The clear timeline for the series is never offered. We don't know how many humans other than Chara fell before Flowey got created. However, because Flowey was artificially created through the use of extracted Determination, it is quite possible he was more determined than most of the remaining six humans, yes. At the very least, if any humans fell while Flowey was already alive, they didn't take his ability to save. Interesting. But then, as Flowey got his Determination from some or all of six previous humans, it'd mean that Frisk's own Determination is stronger than the combination of Determinations of the other humans, right? So, you think it might be possible for humans to have different levels of Determination? For the latter issue, it definitely seems to be the case that souls can have differing levels of determination. At the very least, the basic information we're given is that different souls are "governed" by the different traits you lay out. Which would indicate that humans with red souls have significantly more determination than others. It may then be the case that there is a minimum amount of determination needed in order to save, which a non-red-souled human doesn't have, but which Flowey and Frisk (and Chara by extension) do have.

It wouldn't need to be the case that Frisk's determination is greater than the combination of all the other humans. The basic idea behind Flowey's creation is that Alphys extracted pure determination from the existing human souls, and then injected that determination into Flowey (and lots of other things). So Flowey just has a lot of determination within him. That doesn't necessarily mean that he was pumped full of enough determination to match six human souls. The amount could, theoretically, be anywhere between the determination in an average human and the determination in a red-souled human.

Another possibility, though I'm not sure how much I believe it, could be that the traits of the other souls inhibit their determination. As such, while they could even have more raw determination than Flowey, the fact that Flowey's being is constituted pretty much entirely by determination gives him a level of control that the other humans cannot attain.