Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31252171-20171008174544/@comment-31655597-20180221121120

[Hopes and Dreams actually IS a theme of Asriel. It contains “Your Best Friend (CLEARLY a Flowey theme), “Once Upon a Time” (Chara’s theme), and the Snowdin Town theme.]



 Then take a closer look at the fight against Asriel. In the first phase, Frisk uses Hopes and Dreams to resist Asriel. The song ends when Asriel uses his omega form and binds Frisk. At this moment, Frisk has lost his/her hope of victory because his/her opponent is far too powerful. Hopes and Dreams does not start again until Frisk finds new hope and begins to free the souls. So why should the song be the theme of Asriel when it is clearly linked to Frisk?



 Not to mention that Asriel gets his own theme with His Theme in the end. (Yes, a character can have several themes, but that would be 3 in one fight.)



 That Hopes and Dreams contains several leitmotifs of other songs is not surprising. Toby did that with a lot of songs in Undertale. The Themesong of Undertale (Once Upon a Time) is included almost everywhere. And no idea why Once Upon a Time should be Charas theme. The song plays only in the intro and Chara is not in there. Frisk, however, does. So, if any, it would have to be Frisks theme.



 When the story of Asriel and Chara is told, the song Undertale plays, which is almost identical to Once Upon a Time. But even then Undertale is not Chara's theme. Chara has this very creepy song at the end of the Genocide Run and is also often associated with Megalo Strike Back.





[Now, Sans’ fight is similar to Undying and NEO here, but it’s not the “hero”song that’s being played. The “hero” song is the theme of Battle Against a True Hero and Power of NEO (They both share the same lietmotif) Megalovania doesn’t share that lietmotif at all.]



 Yes, the fight of Sans is similar to that of Undying and NEO, but as you rightly said, Megalovania is not a hero theme like the other two. Because it's not Sans theme, it's genocide Frisks theme.





<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm; line-height: 100%" lang="en-US">[What do you mean “traditionally the theme of the power-mad final boss”? We don’t hear this song anywhere else in the game. Closest you’ll get is what might sound like Megalovania in Bring It In, Guys, during Sans’ and Papyrus’ section. If we count this, that actually counts as further evidence of it being Sans’ theme. Other than that, Megalovania has no other appearances. If you meant Earthbound’s Halloween Hack, well.. That’s a completely different game, and that’s ONE appearance. (Homestuck’s a webcomic, not a game, so that doesn’t count.)]

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<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm; line-height: 100%" lang="en-US"> OK, traditionaly was maybe the wrong word. And I mean Earthbound's Halloween Hack and Homestuck, after all, Toby first used Megalovania there. And in both cases, the song is used to characterize a power-drunk person. In Earthbound the final boss and in Homestuck MeGaLoVania plays several times in connection with Vriska, although she also has her own theme. Just when she turns into a megalomaniac.

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<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm; line-height: 100%" lang="en-US"> And why should Homesuck not count? Just because it is absolutely linear as a webcomic? Unlike some other games, it has at least an interesting story. And you do not have so much freedom in many other games either. I really do not know why Homesuck should not count. In films and series people and places often have themes. Although it's not easy to compare it with games, it's still comparable.

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<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm; line-height: 100%" lang="en-US">[Therefore, Megalovania being Sans’ theme is the most logical. I mean, when you battle someone, it’s always THEIR theme that plays, never your own. Why wouldn’t the same be the case for Sans? (And before you say “But Sans attacks first!” Well.. So does Undyne, actually, by turning you green.)]

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<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm; line-height: 100%" lang="en-US"> Then give me a good reason why Frisk should have no own theme. Just because Frisk is not an NPC? PCs can have their own themes too.

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<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm; line-height: 100%"> What Undyne and Asgore do is actually a normal boss mechanic. They do not do anything else then to block the player's escape way. Turning you green or destroying the mercy button is nothing but closing the doors in a boss room. What Sans does is something different. Sans shoots first, not only doing damage, but also can kill you. He is the only character in the game, which, besides the player, first attacks with damage. (lets ignore the photoshop flowey fight)