Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31371445-20170222233857/@comment-32182236-20190114195757

"My original argument was that DT cannot be a trait, if everyone has already got the substance itself. Notice, I am working with three different concepts here: the soul trait (magical), the physical substance (magical), and the personality trait (electrochemical). My argument said that it's nonsensical for humans to have the soul trait, if they have already got the physical substance. In other words, it is nonsensical for them to have two "identical" magical components within their souls."

Why must they be identical? Why can't we instead say that the physical substance is INSTEAD identical to the personality trait, and the soul trait is just decided by how everything is balanced?

Here's my take on the matter.

DT is a compound, made up of six "elements":These six elements are the six traits. When combined together, they form this compound. You can think of the mathematics of this like the CMYK color system-Just as K is created out of C, M, and Y, DT is created out of B, J, K, Pa, I, and Pe.

After that, the most dominant trait remains.

So, let's say the base values are- B=80, J=100, K=50, Pa=80, I=70, and Pe=110.

The six traits combine to form 50 DT, subtracting that value from each of the traits (they still exist, but they exist as determination.)

Now we get:B=30, J=50, K=0 (but the passion remains, since that's a part of determination!), Pa=30, I=20, Pe=60, and DT=50. So perservearance is the trait. But what if we rose Kindness by 10? Well then, 60 DT would be generated instead of 50, "using up" 60 of each trait rather than 50. So B=20, J=40, K=0, Pa=20, I=10, and DT=60. Now DT is the most dominant trait, and that is thus the soul's trait.

The first red flag is now fully explained. You're literally combining all of the traits to get to determination.

"We can merge them without breaking anything. And the fact I have no proof for this "trick" is not important to me. The trick itself is a proof of the simplicity of the entire system"

Except we DO break things. The Asriel paradox was a direct result of making this assumption. It seems simpler at first, but when you consider the ramifications, it's actually more complex and requires far more leaps of logic. You're making multiple assumptions to save one. That's actually analgous to Flat-Earthers. It's simpler to say the Earth is flat like it appears to be at first, but when you conaider the ramifications, and what assumptions you'd need to make to keep a FE model consistent, you find the RE model is actually better. But thankfully, you actually try to offer a solution. Let's see it.

"It's not Frisk's physical DT that fluctuates, it's their psychological trait. This allows them, in the most extreme case, to refuse death itself. This is my explanation for this phenomena."

It's the psychological trait that I claim is the red SOUL trait! So I can use this exact same argument to discount your paradox about SOUL power being a metric. So red being DT isn't a problem after all.

Also, this time, the exact same argument you used that DT is SOUL power applies here. We have two things (DT trait and DT substance) that carry the exact same function. (DT, the substance, was described as the resolve to change fate, the ability for a SOUL to persist past death.) So, do we unite them by your reasoning, thus destroying your "solution" to the Asriel paradox, once again forcing us to accept that DT CAN fluctuate, so it's not SOUL power, or do we consider your reasoning invalid, thus destroying your only reason to unite SOUL power and DT?

"What are they going to think? That their universe has NOT been created by some highly advanced trans-dimensional beings, capable of simulating entire universes? You really think their first thought would be to immediately rationalize this absolutely pure and obvious parallel? What if we found out the same about our universe?"

And yet, Sans doesn't appear to make this conclusion. Why didn't he? Is he really that much of an idiot? If he is, how did he get his badge? And if he's intellegent, why didn't he make this conclusion? The answer is simple:When he developed his rigourous studies, he found natural explanations. I'm only theorizing them based on the laws we know, but Sans would have WITNESSED these things. He'd see the truth for himself. So let's take this one step futher. What if we found what appeared to be game code, dug deeper, and found that these were merely a result of OTHER laws interacting in the right way, and came out of evolution?

The HUD is a result of SOULs and their magic. Monsters use their magic to remove our SOUL from our body. Our SOUL must use magical means (e.g:The HUD) to interact with the physical world.

Given that the HUD is invisible, its visuals must be a creation either by, or for, the human individual using it. I claim it's both:It's a product of evolution, made in a similar way that vision is.