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Time for some replies:

Chapter 0:https://undertale.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:157112#131

I’m impressed you wrote 30 or so lines about my two-line opening statement that “The story of Undertale is all about SOULs.” But since I make this argument over time in the next 120+ pages, it would have been better to read the entire document, then write about the opening line.

I do agree with you about how tragic incidents can create villains. Undertale is about healing wounded SOULs like Chara’s and Flowey’s too, and trying to undo the damage that twists good people into villains.

We’ve argued about Kanashi for a long time. Just because Kanashi absorbed a human soul doesn’t mean that it was acquired through violence. It could have been an accident, or giving a loved human a second chance at life, FNAF-style perhaps. The Waterfall Glyphs also state that inspite of Kanashi, the humans had nothing to fear when they launched their sneak attack on the monsters. But if Kanash was a dark predator, the human’s fear would be legit. So I still believe, just like William in FNAF, that Kanashi’s story is far more complex, and oversimplifying it would be a mistake.

Whether or not it’s an iron-clad rule, the humans in Undertale’s story that I’ve uncovered were definitely more likely to do dark things than the monsters would. The story seems to be using the mostly-innocent monsters as a way to contrast the actions of humans and force us to ask what we’re made of, and if we’re really doing the right thing.

The Fallen Down monsters only woke up after Alphys injected them with *ridiculous* amounts of Determination. And even then, they only opened their eyes and started acting normal again.

Undyne became a super-soldier from trace amounts of Determination she received over a long period of time. The Fallen should have all reached her power level shortly after the injections started.. But instead it took ages to wake them up.

And, as I state later, the hidden lore in Undertale says that monsters aren’t experienced with disease, and only Fall Down when experience old age. Which Aaron and Shyren’s Cousin couldn’t have been experiencing, because they were young.

Their fallen state was *not natural*. And neither were the Amalgamates, because as we’ve seen in fusions like Omega Flowey, the souls within the fusion still retain some of their individuality, and are able to rebel and unfuse from the whole if agitated enough.

The reason the Amalgamates merged together so inseparably, and the reason the Fallen Down monsters sent to Alphy’s lab were so unnaturally weak.. Was because their SOULs had already been removed.

The Waterfall Glyphs state that the SOUL of a living monster CAN be removed.. It would simply take a great amount of power. The sort of power that only a mad scientist could summon.

Shyren is stated as being a young monster. And Mettaton’s ghost diaries talk about how Shyren’s cousin fell down. A cousin wouldn’t be much older. Her cousin shouldn’t have fallen down naturally.. But she did. A mystery for theorists to solve.

Whatever the Librarby says, so far monsters are the only ones we’ve seen using magic, something that holds true in Deltarune as well. So that part so far seems to be true.

As to how the 7 human wizards were able to cast the Magic Barrier? That’s another mystery for theorists to solve. My theory is that they were hybrids, like Mew Mew.

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