Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-32182236-20190716003715/@comment-33883848-20190814214011

"She believed the same thing about Mew Mew Kissy Cutie. This is simply her fangirling, imagining the perfect match for her."

Yet says that she made research about this entity and concluned that they exists

"That entity is the narrator. Which happens to be Chara. If Flowey found out that the narrator was Chara after he said that, though.. and realized that he unknowingly called Chara a sicko.. I wonder how he'd take the irony?"

That doenst make sence for Flowey to talk about chara in third person since h3 belives hes talking with chara there,plus "sickos"are prulal

"Perhaps there's an audience south of the Snowdin Forest."

So do you mean that there's an audience constantly watching at Sans in the whole snowdins forest in the same direction as the player?Yeah that a bit absurd...

"...No, they don't. They face whichever direction they're walking."

I mean,sometimes Frisk face the forth wall automatically such as when you choose some options or when you watch the vhs tapes

"Or it could be Gaster. He very well could have came from Deltarune, and he actually speaks in hands. Literally speaking."

Not a fan of connecting Delarune with Undertale since even Toby fox said that deltarune is about different characters etc...And Gaster doenst only speaks in hands,he speaks in other symbols too while river person talk as if this said man only speaks in hands.Why dont they simply says "beware of the man who speaks with symbols"instead to connect this line with Gaster?

"...Or it could just be talking about the Surface, and the time we boot up the game retroactively determines the date Frisk fell, and thus, everything else that determines it. (Like the creation of the MTT statue in the Royal Memorial Foundatin)"

-_- ,Chara climbed the mountain in the year 201X and 6 others childreen fell in the underground so a couple of 20 years or more,Undertales story happens arround the year 2100 so i wonder how is that supposed to work.Or are you saying that it only the "day"that changes??I wonder what is thr point of it.And occam razor suggests that its rather related to our world.

"Player (Undertale):Frisk::Player (The Legend of Zelda):Link"

But where does he outright disobey the options we choose?

"Just think of Frisk the same way you think of any other video game protagonist, and you'll get what I think of the relationship between the player and Frisk."

Undertale always subverted all this classical rpgs tropes like the save load options ,sellers function etc...So i think that a bad argument

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"...There's still Omega Flowey, though. He has experience with the HUD, at least."

All this fight proves is that he can manipulate his world by hacking the gam.

"So if he's aware that the ending happens when Frisk leaves (or doesn't leave because they get stuck by the Barrier) the Underground, then that would allow him to figure out that Frisk is the main protagonist, and thus, the one the player controls."

Maybe he figure out in this ending that they are controled by the player since its otherwise impossible to get this ending ?

"The cover matches the game that Mettaton has in his news. So that's the game the Annoying Dog has. Seems like he made it, too.

"By barking with text-to-speech on, the dog accidentally programmed a whole game"-Chara, when analyzing the game case"

Yeah but that doenst change the fact that its a reference to the player

"That was just one explanation for the LV9999. Another could be that the limit of 20 only applies to humans, or only applies to monsters, and Flowey gained it both by absorbing the six human SOULs, and his MASSIVE intent to kill us (since LV is how much you distance yourself from the world) And I already pointed out a problem with this interpretation."

-You have to kill to increse your lv

-how that explain the fact that flowey changed the intro?

"And most bizzarely of all, Toriel doesn't die because she doesn't see the point:Hard Mode's over. Because the Annoying Dog said so. Flowey also scoffs at us for playing in Hard Mode, after expecting to meet us in the next room, and growing impatient. Yet if we wait in the Ruins in Normal Mode, Flowey never grows impatient."

That introduces the Annoying Dog and his ending to the picture

"So if Hard Mode is canon, both Toriel and Flowey are aware that they are within a game... And are acting out the script. Chara is also aware of this, because they mention Napstablook not getting the memo. Yet they trait their own past as real, despite knowing it is false. Since Toriel can just live like that, the monster science regarding SOULsis wrong.. Meaning everyone in the entire Underground is making an elaborate conspiracy... And the story of Undertale is entirely fictional... Within Undertale's universe."

"The Annoying Dog also assumes that Toriel is supposed to be dying... Even if Toriel was spared. Which would mean that sparing isn't canonical after all, if Hard Mode is canon. We must reject the canonicity of one of these two things. (That or the Annoying Dog isn't aware of his own conspiracy... Which doesn't work:You can't create a plan and not know what it is.)"

So either sparing is non-canon, or Hard Mode is. I'm keeping the idea of sparing as canon."

Thats a DIFFERENT mode ,of course things would be different.And anoying dog doesnt literally says "arent you supposed to die OR something?",he alludes to the players choices and that every choice is canon.

As for your explanation regarding the HUD ,yeah that a bit too far fetched and doensnt has enough evidences and too much conjecture.I would say that it simpler to assume that anoying dog made the underground act like a video game because he made a video game that connects the player with the underground,which would also explains