Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31371445-20170222233857/@comment-32182236-20180622011807

MysteriousMalice wrote: So, can you explain how you think the Ball Game was talking about Bravery, Justice, Kindness, Patience, Integrity, and Perseverence as the SOUL Modes and not as the actual traits of their respective colored soul? Please do not go on a tangent about other things and inersplice it with an explanation on Ball Game, the Modes, and Traits (I'm calling them traits because that's what people commonly refer to them as for consistency purposes) or just say "The evidence is all around you" as if expecting me to know where to look, and just keep it to the aformentioned three things. ..*sigh* I was the one who said that SOUL traits and SOUL modes were not the same thing. That's because, as he points out, the trait descriptions do NOT match the actual personality traits. That's because the modes are something else, only tangentically related to the traits. The trait determines your mode-Hence the similarities between the two. But the trait is NOT your mode. Your mode can be changed on a whim by magic. Your trait..? Yeah, no. You decide your personality trait.

We took two different paths. I took the path that they're just not the same, to preserve what the canon seems to imply, alongside red being determination, which was a whole different discussion, but actually more on-topic (which was still going on). Tsskyx said that the traits are therefore not traits at all, and completely obliterated the whole idea of red being determination, and decided to toss out a certain line that proves that the modes don't fit the trait descriptions either.. Just to keep his theory. (Specifically, that "Ball" of the green trait is who you have care and concern for, and "Ball" is the obstacle, as we all know from the game). I resolved this, by just saying that the modes aren't the trait descriptions, and then, by Occam's Razor, re-united the trait descriptions with, well.. Actual personality traits. (The names of the trait pretty much give it away-Take a look at the definitons of some of them.) A simple, elegant solution.. While Tsskyx to this day still considers it as unimportant, and a mistake.. more than 2 years after the game came out, unchanged. To keep his take on traits not being personality traits, and to say that red is not determination (Where they similary disregarded the fact that we can load by closing the game in the Asriel fight, proving that we have the SAVE ability against six humans plus Asriel, unlike with Omega Flowey, where you actually can't do that, which both proves that determination can fluctuate, and that Frisk's determination is far greater than the six humans. Yeah, this is a pattern.)