Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31371445-20170222233857/@comment-31536324-20180922220447

"No, it's used as a noun, which itself is an object, and the subject is the pronoun "its", substituting for the noun "SOUL". And the word 'power' is substituting for the word 'strength'. It's not the "power of the strength of the soul". That's both redundant AND meaningless."

Wow, you really ARE in denial. Its is referring to the strength of the SOUL, and power is referring to the ability of said strength. The plaques came before Alphys Entries in the true lab, where DT is properly defined and labeled, and they both say the same thing: that DT allows the Human SOUL to exist outside the human body and persist in that state, both before and after death. The plaques are talking about DT, nothing else. Plaque two is continuing the information from plaque one, and that's all there is to it.

"Also, switching them literally doesn't change anything at all, you're just overcomplicating it. This isn't some scientific treasure hunt, learn to take Toby's words with a grain of salt."

Yes, it does, I literally explained how and why. It's not my fault you chose to ignore it because of your denial.

"Those come from the monsters, not from our soul."

I know that, but the mere fact that they exist and correspond with a trait shows that those are how these SOULS would operate in the battle system. They're able to be induced because they are a form of magic, and since Monsters are both made of and represented via their SOULS by Magic, that means they have natural affinity for all kinds of magic in Undertale.

"It cannot be a stalemate, if there's ONE person holding the power, which is Asriel. And our method of escaping battles via closing the game is cheating."

Where is it stated, hinted, or implied IN THE GAME that Asriel had the power? What is your proof?

"You know what, I'll just say it, reloading in the middle of the fight should not be permissible, nor canon, because it's not only incredibly meta, kinda like Oneshot with its out-game program file manipulations, but is also not acknowledged anywhere but in the Omega Flowey battle, but my guess is that because there, we've had no battle interface available."

It's acknowledged as a way to load/reset before that point, as THA has already pointed out numerous times.

"He already is, else our soul would have no need to refuse, it could just shatter and execute a normal reload."

Except Asriel wants to completely obliterate you, render you less than nothing, which would leave nothing of you to retain the power and allow it to fall to him.

"Also notice, reloading via quitting in that fight doesn't change Asriel's dialogue here."

I've already explained why this is earlier, not my fault you chose to ignore it.

"He always remembers reloads, even these ones, and even resets. This just goes to show that Toby Fox FORGOT about the possibility of people trying to quit the game during this fight."

He simply didn't want to comment, because why should he? It'd be redundant.

"So you're saying Toby Fox lied to us. Excellent! Way to impose your head canon onto others."

No, you're the one putting words into other people's mouths and making shit up just to seem credible. Show me proof of your claim, show me evidence of Toby saying the opposite of what I'm saying that says that I'm saying that he's lying. Go on.

"Besides, as I've said a million times already, why else would our soul refuse, if not precisely because of this?"

Because we were so determined to achieve our goal and save everyone that we reached the threshold to attain that ability. As I'VE said a million times now.

"Well, learn to deal with new information. This is just the way it is. If Frisk had the power, nothing would be at stake and we could just reload after dying as per usual. If Asriel had the power, he would not need to kill us first. It's clearly split."

There is no such information. Asriel wants to obliterate us, him succeeding would leave nothing of us for the ability to go back to, and he'd get it by default. That's all there is to it.

"This isn't just my theory. This is a direct observation of the canon which you chose to wholly ignore. Pathetic."

You can stop talking to yourself and actually contribute evidence to the discussion at any time, you know that right, Pot?

"I don't see how that's any different from dying normally."

Obliteration/Obliterate - Complete annihilation and destruction; destroy utterly, wipe out.

Meaning to literally leave nothing by ending the person or thing's existence. We know for a fact that Flowey, in any form, qualifies to get the ability. And since he's the only other qualified entity to get the ability after Frisk, if he destroys Frisk, he gets the ability and wins.

"He isn't doing anything new, he's still attacking our soul the usual way, and our soul is still taking damage the usual way. It would be possible if he could obliterate the essence, but who knows if he knows how to do that, or whether it's possible to begin with. And whether he has enough time to do that before it moves back in time again."

Regardless if he's doing "anything new" he's knows death isn't going to cut it, so he's going a step FURTHER than death: Destruction, complete obliteration, reduction to nothingness. Frisk can't have the ability if their reduced to nothing, right?

"And for the last time, he already has the power to reset, for the same reason that Omega Flowey does."

No, he doesn't, because unlike before Frisk trumps him in DT. If he had it, the same thing that happened in the OF Scenario should have happened in the GoHD Scenario when we quit. But it didn't, and there's been no patch that's rectified it. And if Toby's never bothered to patch it, then that means Frisk having more DT than Asriel is what canonically happens.

"So we cannot possibly outmatch him just by making our DT fluctuate. We couldn't back then, and we can't now."

Except we can.

"I think it was well-established by the game that the being with the most determination takes control, and that Omega Flowey took control precisely because of this rule."

Agreed.

"Ergo, Asriel did too,"

No, he didn't.

"meaning, the ONLY reason he's still unable to reset, is because of my explanation."

Which makes no sense, has no ground in canon, and nothing to support it. If he can't RESET, then he can't SAVE or LOAD, that's it. It makes no sense for such a split to exist when not only is there no evidence toward its existence in the first place, but the very setup of the ability prohibits it.