Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-34798955-20180310144518/@comment-32182236-20180607105516

Look. I agree that Chara didn't possess Frisk for the Genocide Route. That's completely ludicrous. I don't really know anyone who still believes this outlandish claim. That's kind of a strawman argument now. Of COURSE Frisk is doing most of the killing, and is evil! Of COURSE Frisk is whatever the players are, as Frisk IS the player. I don't understand why they're always veiwed as a do-no wronger. ..hm, maybe that's where they got the whole "Chara posseses Frisk" idea. To keep Frisk guiltless. Guys. Come on.

...But, that doesn't make Chara good.

Did you even look at my posts, where I argued that Chara was evil, but never once said they possesed Frisk during the run?

The Real Knife and Worn Dagger appear like the same item, but take a quick comparison at their stats, and you'll see they can't be the same item.

I do believe in Charrator.

Chara didn't just want to kill six humans. They came, picked up their own body, to gather the attention of the WHOLE village, so that Asriel would wlet Chara kill THE WHOLE VILLAGE. Not just 6 humans anymore, THE WHOLE VILLAGE. Chara hated humanity, and wanted to wage war against all of humanity. If Asriel killed those humans, there WOULD be a war against all of humanity. This is what Chara wanted. Then again.. Asgore wanted that too, so.. I guess we can't say they're worse than Asgore with that alone.

"If you refuse to fight, Asgore will take your soul and destroy humanity."-Sans

I DON'T excuse Asgore for that, by the way.

Chara followed Frisk around, yes, but that was because their essences have been intertwined. How else would we get CHARA'S memory of falling into the Underground, and have dreams aboit Chara all this time? Chara can also sense what we feel as well-Like when we taste (non-)licorice monster candy, or "You feel like you're going to have a bad time". Chara hated humanity, why would they seek advice of another human? They found their purpose out on their own.

Chara's not the projection of the player. In fact, they claim that some of us is a projection of them.

"HP. ATK. DEF. GOLD. EXP. LOVE. When a number goes up, that feeling.. That's me. "Chara"."

Looks like Chara's the feeling of joy when a number goes up. They're encouraging us to keep going.

...Just because Chara says we did it doesn't mean we did it.

"The guilty will always lie, to avoid being found out"-Miles Edgeworth

Perhaps it's to make us more willing to, oh, I dunno, sell our mortal SOUL?

Sans is right about whynwe do Genocide. That's exactly right. Well, sometimes. Sometimes, Flowey's explanation of it being liberating is true. Depends on the player.

Chara said IF you recreate the world again, to choose another path. Leaving the world destroyed seems to be what they want the first option to be. And that's terrible. Also, they say to take this "other path", KNOWING that they'll then possess Frisk, and kill everyone:SOULless Pacifist. That's not then trying to help. Pacifism after Genocide is not a happy ending for anyone but Chara. Everyone still dies.

So, what can we learn from this? More characters are evil than you think, and there IS such a thing as partners in crime. Frisk and Chara are BOTH evil in Genocide. Not just one like many say.