Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-27997069-20160317174518/@comment-25634462-20160327114617

You misunderstand me... probably due to me using words interchangably, and partly due to me not being as clear as I probably should have been.

You mentioned how the summary tell you "you don't have to kill anyone" but when I read that I don't expect no monster encounters... I'm expecting them to be talking about characters. Main characters. Like the end game boss. Maybe you can save them instead of defeating them. But with battle mechanics I'm still expecting to fight something, robots maybe. Non-living enemies of some kind. The mold enemy for example. I wouldn't exactly count frogs and mold as "someone" in a normal game. It's the difference between the plant monsters in a Zelda game to the bosses in the temples. The plants don't have a hint of sentience, but the bosses definitely do.

As for being "spoiled" well, sometimes when I say spoiled I mean having foreknowledge, but other time... When I said you must have been spoiled I don't mean by knowing that it was possible to not kill anyone as a concept. I'm mixing that with the video "Goat Mama Must Die" where it shows why most people wouldn't expect the fight to "prove your strength" to her to actually kill her.

This is the first kill that starts the whole thing with Chara. Because you expect her to simply fall to her knees and let you pass. Or that she was holding back and that was merely a mark of how much damage you had to do for her to say "Okay, this person can take care of themselves." You don't expect it to be a "real" kill. Except that it is a real kill. And what happens when Toriel dies? "Chara" (or whatever you chose to name Chara) levels up. Gets stronger. Frisk doesn't. Those are Chara's stats. It has Chara's name right there. That is the power of Chara's determination flowing through Frisk. It isn't that Frisk is more powerful, but that Chara's power has grown and is empowering Frisk's body. Odd that Chara's name only shows up in battle or in the menu when you check your stats. A thing that leads you to believe that you have named "Frisk" only to find out later that you haven't. Your "levels of violence" are being displayed. Your "execution points". Your stats. Your hp. Never Frisks.

After all, murdering people doesn't make you stronger. But having more Determination? Willpower? Definitely can. That's proven even in real life. And with every kill, purposeful or accidental, more of Chara flows into Frisk. It is the second meaning of Chara's remark at the end of "you were never in control" if you chose not to destroy everything. That line is said to you and to Frisk at the same time. Because the person you've been playing on that kind of run isn't the type to say "no" to what Chara said, that is the last remnants of emotion, something a genocide run will have taken out of you. You saying that is used as a moment of "roleplaying" where the last tiny piece of Frisk gets a word in, and gets told that Frisk was just a puppet of the Player the whole time. As well as telling the Player that they weren't in control either.

As for attacks, I'm not sure where you're getting personal attacks from, but you are on your own there. Conversation through text is devoid of the most important facets of human communication. Vocal tones and body language. One can read the same text word for word and depending on the vocal tones you give them in your mind they can become aggressive or simply informative. This "attacking" you are sensing? Is you being defensive. I am in no way personally attacking you.