Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31371445-20170222233857/@comment-31536324-20180909003928

"Lack of connection? I thought just the term would suffice. You know, how when a person talks about a dog, they don't actually mean a cat, they mean a dog. The plaques mentioned "soul power." How is this NOT "soul power", the thing that locks barrier?"

SOUL Power is not mentioned or used in the plaques, the only thing they're talking about is DT.

"Aren't you perhaps simply in denial?"

I'm not a mirror, so i wouldn't know whether or not you're in denial.

"Read the plaques again. They weren't speaking of the weakness of DT, but of the weakness of souls, which is DT; specifically, that it allows them to persist after death. Nothing mentioned or implied a flux here. DT is simply a "weakness", because the monsters can grab the soul after death and absorb it. That's the weakness it gives humans."

I did read them, and while I'm not saying that what you said isn't true, what I and THA have said still apply when the plaques are put in with everything else.

"And why should it? Similarly, why shouldn't Asgore smashing our mercy button with his trident be simply a metaphor for our, as well as his refusal to give mercy to each other?"

Pacifist Route.

"If according to THA it isn't a metaphor and Asgore actually physically did that, then why deny that there's a presence of a forcefield that stops Frisk from advancing further always at the EXACT same distance from a given boundary? And it's not just cliffs, this boundary also prevents them from stepping over boulders and whatnot. No harm comes from stepping on boulders, mind you (maybe execpt for that talking one, but that's just one of many). Or there's chairs. Somehow, Frisk can push boulders, but cannot push chairs? Or snow poffs. How about stepping over them? Nope. An impassable barrier once again."

Again, maybe Frisk simply just doesn't want to those things.

"No, I am looking at it the way it is presented. If these things were a metaphor, I'd agree that it's a real world. If however you tell me these mechanics are canon, suddenly, the world incorporates mechanics and processes that are most commonly, or rather solely, found in computer games."

That doesn't mean that it IS a game in-universe though. That just means it has different laws, rules, and things compared to both our universe and others.

"Why only humans and monsters? What about animals, inanimate objects, or... why not the NPCs actually?"

Because they're the only sentient species on the planet, and this system is for them. The NPCs simply don't want to fight, so they don't initiate one.

"So many arbitrary rules make it difficult to find a nice consistent explanation, like for example the laws of our universe."

What "arbitrary rules"? The only rules here are the ones in and explained in the game.

"And why am I suddenly comparing to our universe again? Well, we already use the processes of our universe for our reasoning. For example, that the simpler solution is, if not opposed in a given system of knowledge, the correct one. Or that causality works the same here as it does irl."

I have no opposition to this.

"Start bringing up nonsense, and all reason goes out of the window. If the computer game explanation is what it takes to preserve sane reasoning, I'll take it."

No, if anything, that's taking the easy way out and not even trying.

"Says who?"

Weren't you the one who said that in refute to the Battle System being how all conflict was handled?

"Hey, how about we say they can only select the prompts that the monsters made available, meaning they are only limited to a given number of questions per visit? (If we're already saying that enemies can mess with our HUD, that is.) Also, I recommend you the fan fiction Golden Quiche, that one explored this concept rather well."

Either way works, doesn't really mess anything of mine up even then. I'll read it when i have the chance.

"Then he has confirmed that the world is a game/simulation, the simpler of the two available interpretations of this concept. Or did you dunk your reason into the trashbin already?"

No, he just confirmed that these things are natural things and laws of the world. Which is what THA and I have been saying this whole time!

"Which is? If you're making a point, try modelling it so that I can understand you."

THA and I have been saying repeatedly now, that S/L/R goes to the most determined being.

"Ergo, not all of it has been extracted from them. That is a pretty obvious conclusion, no?"

Yes, but they'd first have to exhaust the SOUL of ALL DT, killing it, in order to know how much exactly is in a human SOUL. And then they'd have to measure it in order to know HOW MUCH to take out before they're going too far.

This would work, if more than 7 humans fell before Frisk. But that didn't happen, only six fell after Chara, and they have all six of those souls.

The only way this would work, ESPECIALLY for Flowey's creation, is if the DT Extractor had the Monster limit of DT preprogrammed into it and stopped extracting upon hitting that threshold. But that would involve humans being able to have DT Fluctuations, since they'd need to recover the lost DT after extraction.

And considering the ratio of DT between monsters and humans, the process would take a LONG time. Granted, we don't know the exact time between each fallen human, but that still doesn't change the fact that it would take a stupidly long time to do.

Actually, thinking on it now, regardless if DT was SP or not, them dying from complete loss of DT would STILL happen.

"I have no argument against this. Literally. If this is what you believe, that souls have a capacity reader inside them that they use to determine if it's gonna be red or not, then go with it. I just don't see the point of it. I mean, it could work, this could be the case, but a pointless one."

I don't think they have a "capacity reader" that they use to determine their trait. Read that part again. Where did you even get that idea?

"You are assuming the traits are physical and that all humans possess all of them in varying quantities."

No, I'm not, what do you even mean by that? Yeah, because that's how people are different from one another and not the same kind of person over and over. You know? Like how you've kept saying we're not? And the red flag practically outright says the latter.

"I don't favor this, since the game didn't imply that DT is a trait, nor that the other traits are extractable like DT. My belief is, that a soul's trait is just its "flavor". Imagine a red lightbulb. It doesn't actually produce a red light, it's just the tint of the glass that makes it red. That's the trait. And the light is supplied by the DT, or perhaps the essence shining through the DT."

Again, SP and DT are clearly separated into two distinctly different things, as shown by entries of ROYAL SCIENTIST Alphys.

DT is A power of the SOUL, a part of the SOUL.

SP is THE power of the SOUL, the power of the SOUL as a WHOLE.