Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20190425222457/@comment-26006155-20190428152251

Ok, here are my forensics about what happed with the Ness Theory.

First, after watching the two videos Ambassador suggested, here are my raw notes:

--- Notes on Game Theory: UNDERTALE - Sans’ SECRET Identity! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYdDUXyFocY

Matpat Says: Sans was once a surface dweller. Sans “We call that the sun.” *WE* Matpat notes that ‘going back’ is not the same as ‘going to the surface’. “There are photos of Sans with a lot of people you don’t recognize.” “He looks happy.” Update: “It’s a poorly drawn picture of three smiling people.” “Written on it…” “don’t forget” The badge. The Franklin badge? Franklin badge is in all three Mother games? Franklin badge staple item in Smash. Earthbound ends in Photo Albums, lots of pictures. “There are photo*S* of Sans with a lot of poeple you don’t recognize.” “don’t forget” is lower-case, written by Sans Lots of photos.. Of people.. Like the end of Earthbound. Doctor Andonuts, Apple kid and Mr. Saturn create The Phase Distorter.(is that how it went?) Says it can’t transport organic matter (but with Pokey it actually can) Mr. Saturns have a weird font. Illegible Did Phase Distorter turn Sans into a skeleton? Undyne and Alphys at the beach looks a LOT like the beach from Summers! Similar wall design and beach colors, weird pink and green. Overworld is geographically similar to scene outside the Barrier? Papyrus’ Starman markings. https://youtu.be/KYdDUXyFocY?t=803 Sans’ stance is very similar to Ness in marketing. Matpat makes the argument that Sans bleeds because he’s a human. Flowey prototypes. Halloween Hack is similar to Earthbound. Ness is missing in The Hack.

Notes from “MatPat’s UnderFail - Skull Commentaires by MangaKamen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EX4dmORs-8Q --“We call this the Sun.” Manga points out that monsters and humans used to live on the surface, so they should know what the Sun is. Although this doesn’t mean Papyrus would know what it was. But with all of Alphys’ manga and anime, Not Knowing What The Sun Is was probably a bit of a long shot. --Manga proposes that Sans was wanting to “go back” before Sans and Papyrus arrived in Snowdin. Although the context Sans puts it in certainly suggests he was talking about going back to an area outside the Barrier. ---Manga actually points to a similarity between using the Instant Noodles in Undertale to the text of using the Salt Packet in Earthbound. The same number of stages, and similar text: https://youtu.be/EX4dmORs-8Q?t=356 This actually boosts the link between the two games. ---Is The Boulder Badge from Pokemon the most important badge in gaming? Well, I hadn’t heard of it. --Manga points out that the Earthbound photo album at the end doesn’t show anyone wearing a Spooky Scary Skeleton mask. Although, since Frisk is seeing this photo album after learning “The Truth”, perhaps Frisk CAN identify Sans when he isn’t wearing the mask? And once again, we never actually hear Frisk speak, only Narrator Chara, who probably wouldn’t recognize anyone in the Earthbound photo album herself. --Manga points out that saying Sans bleeds shows he hasn’t been Skeletonized by the Phase Distorter. (again, Pokey takes a similar machine back to defend Giygas and stayed grossly fleshy the whole time, the idea that the Phase Distorter can only weirdly transport inorganic matter was debunked in Earthbound itself. The idea may have been been Doctor Andonuts trying to sabotage the project on Giygas’ orders, one reason he loves hanging out in a trash can.) --Manga asks why Sans would have to be Ness specifically, and not Paula, Jeff or Poo. (Well, Sans has psychokinetic powers, so he couldn’t be Jeff. But it’s otherwise a valid point) --Manga points out that Doctor Andonuts is certainly an important character to Toby, since the Hack and Megalovania were fixated on him. (Not disagreeing with that at all, here) Doctor Andonuts and Sans also seem to have ties? --Manga points out that the Starman pattern isn’t an *exact* match in there’s no point on Papyrus’ triangle. But with size scaling it still a very convincing similarity. -Comparing Papyrus and Starman’s stances is a little off, because Starman’s legs make up ½ his height, while Papyrus’ legs are relatively short, at ⅓ his height. Saying that Papyrus is literally a Starman does not seem very convincing, at least not by comparing silhouettes. Papyrus’ head is also 3x the size of the Starman’s. https://youtu.be/EX4dmORs-8Q?t=665 --Manga actually messed up when he says “Sans towers over Frisk and Chara”. They actually the very same height. And possibly shape if you take off Sans’ bagging clothing. -- https://youtu.be/EX4dmORs-8Q?t=759 “Also, did the Phase Distorter turn Ness into a left-handed skeleton?” (Wait, Sans might use his powers with his left hand, but do we know that Ness is right-handed?) -- Manga wonders how Papyrus knows how to drive a car, if he’s never seen the Sun before? https://youtu.be/EX4dmORs-8Q?t=899 -- Manga makes a convincing case that Sans is left-handed, listing four examples. -- Smash Ness does seem to be right-handed (is there evidence that Ness is right-handed in Earthbound?)