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TheHumanAmbassador wrote: Long ago, two races ruled over the ear-⏩

▶️And so, Chara falls underground. And this is where our story begins.

So, who, or even what, was and is Chara? A misunderstood angel who did nothing wrong? A hungry demon who wants to destroy you all for power, and mind-controls/coerces Frisk into killing everything? Neither of these statements are true. I've spoken about Chara before, and my points have been misinterpreted before... Hopefully this should clear things up, now that I'm presenting the full story at once. Let's turn it back a little, shall we? Back to some of the stuff I fast-forwarded over? (Not all of it, the war is its own topic)

After many years of the monsters being banished underground, there was a human, unlike the rest. One who hated humanity, one who considered it unjust. Their name, was Chara. Of course, the banishment wasn't their only reason, they just had bad experiences with humanity, and came to the conclusion that humanity's evil. So, they went off to the one place that no man was said to ever return from, so that they would never see another human EVER again... Mt. Ebott. And so, Chara falls underground. And this is where our story begins.

They woke up, and met Asriel Dreemurr. Just as Chara suspected, they seemed nice. Chara even made friends with Asriel, and became part of the family. But soon, things got dark. For Chara was going to devise a scheme to destroy all of humanity.. And also free the monsters. Knowing that Asriel would back off if destroying all of humanity was mentioned, Chara told Asriel that he would absorb Chara's SOUL, then they would, together, collect six more, and break the barrier. Yes, Chara KNEW they'd still be there when the absorption would occur. Proof is in the tapes.

"Six, right? We just have to get six... And we'll do it together, right?"-Asriel

So, the plan goes through. But Chara has other plans too, like I discussed earlier-Eradication of humanity. But how could they get it through to Asriel? They've expressed their hatred of humanity before, but this would be different. Chara was finally going to answer the question Asriel wanted the answer to many times over. They were finally going to do it. The answer would be revealed: Why did they hate humanity? They picked up their dead body, to cause the humans to attack in fear. This was their plan, and the reason behind their death wish. (Come on, why would they really want to see the flowers of a village they HATED one last time? To destroy them?) And so, they did... Just because Asriel was holding the body of Chara, and a little research would be enough to prove it was a burial. But nope, they just attacked. Just like Chara predicted. This, was their answer. THIS was the reason why they hated humanity-For fearing the unknown, casting blame on the innocent... The reason why they wanted humanity dead...

But Asriel resisted. He knew killing them would be wrong, and would probably lead to another war. This ended up getting the two of them killed after they made it back to New Home, telling their story to the monsters, which is how they know it enough to tell it to Frisk later on... Their combined SOUL shattered, as Asriel's body turned to dust, right on Asgore's garden. Asgore declares war, while Toriel leaves a few months later, but just before she does, she gives Chara a proper burial under the Ruins, after seeing how Asgore put them in a coffin. She planted a seed from Asgore's garden, so Chara may rest in the flowers they wished for.

At this point, it may seem like I'm praising Chara, and one of those people who say Chara did nothing wrong. This is probably why I've been seen as that kind of theorist in some scenarios. But everything changes from here. This, right here, is where Chara falls.

Asriel betrayed Chara. At least, from their warped perspective. They had no SOUL now, so having compassion for Chara just wasn't their thing anymore. They didn't even TRY to be good like Flowey did, though. Something... happened. We don't know what, maybe it was Asriel betraying Chara, but Chara has gone evil now. Enter Frisk, the eighth fallen human, the reason why they were brought back to life.

"Why was I brought back to life? You. With your guidance."-Chara

Now, Frisk can either kill everyone like Chara wants, or actually do the right thing and not be evil. Chara does not force Frisk to kill at all. That's because they want a true partner... Someone who actually WANTS to help them on their quest... Someone who wants to eradicate all of the monsters. If you miss a monster in Waterfall, and attempt to proceed, Chara stops you, to tell you about the monster(s) you missed, and flat-out tells you not to proceed yet. They want the Genocide. "Missed that comedian. Failure." Frisk isn't corrupting them. After all, why would Chara trust a human? They hate humanity, remember? If they still liked monsters, they'd side with the monsters, and try to stop Frisk, instead of helping them, and believing them, and encouraging them to stay determined.

And they have a HUGE grudge against Flowey, aka Asriel, for betraying the plan. This is evident in the manner that they kill Flowey in. Slow, and painful... So, congratulations, Frisk, your evil genocide is complete. Now, let us erase this pointless world, and move onto the next, partner.

No? You must have misunderstood.. SINCE WHEN WERE YOU THE ONE IN CONTROL?! -9999999999999999999-

"Interesting. You want to go back. You want to go back to the world you destroyed."

Um, Chara? YOU destroyed the world? Also, when did we say we wanted to go back? We had a deal, Chara. 'Now, let us erase this pointless world, and move onto the next.' What happened to that? Yep. Chara lied to Frisk. But why? Because...

"You still have something that I want. Give it to me, and I will bring this world back."

They want to take Frisk's SOUL. But why? Because it gives them total control over Frisk. That way, when Frisk goes pacifist, likely as retaliation against Chara's betrayal, they get to destroy the Surface world too.. As seen in Tainted Pacifist. They want the WHOLE world gone, and for it to STAY gone. They don't want any more recreations, or for the world to just stay living. After all...

"You are filled with a perverted sentimentality."

No, it's not destroying the world. Say no to destroying the world, and..

"No? This is the feeling that I spoke of. Unfortunately, regarding this... YOU MADE YOUR CHOICE LONG AGO."

It's recreating the world that Chara considers perverted. They want the world dead. They have fallen from a misunderstood child, to a demon of pure evil. The very manifestation of LOVE.

"When a number goes up, that feeling... That's me. 'Chara'."

But don't go blaming your genocide on Chara. You're still the one killing off more than 95% of the monsters, Frisk. The fact that you're killing all these monsters is just what made Chara see you as a worthy partner. There is a MERCY button, after all, lol-Ever thought of using it, Frisk? xD This is what I think their backstory is and my analysis of the timeline after (the game itself). (Note that the element of them being manipulated by humans is purely theoretical but the rest is supported by in-game evidence as seen here: https://determinators.tumblr.com/post/159674581147/greetings-uh-so-ive-been-working-on-this )

This is what I think their backstory is. (And yes I use narrator theory it's canon at this point. And yes I'm listening to track 71.)

Chara, used and manipulated by other people throughout their life (maybe this is true of the other souls too, would fit with the symbolism) decides to commit suicide out of hopelessness. Failing, they find Asriel and the world of Monsters. They're shy at first (as can be seen by the picture hiding behind flowers.)  likely due to all this abuse. But they grow to gain confidence and determination, just like how the narrator gets more chatty as they get to know you, Chara began interracting with the monsters they know everything about them, they become everybody's favorite as can be seen by their story in pacifist, Asgore even says they gave off a feeling of hope when one looked into their eyes. They fulfill the prophesy of the Angel, they live in old Home with the Dreemurs (despite the RUINS castle not having proper accomedation for an extra child, but they are ere as "My drawing"-Chara can be seen in Room_Asriel of the Ruins.).

Toriel, being Toriel does all they try to do with Frisk in the future, they prepare a curriculum always wanting to be a teacher, and sure enough they bond, Chara copies her greeting, Chara copies her speech mannerisms, learns decipline ("concequences")  and has quite to vocabulary for a child of their age, becoming educated.

They Inspire everyone to fear Humans less, they move from the end of the cave all the way smack dab in front of the Barrier, no longer afraid, they move to new home! Chara also stops fearing humans, learning of the story of Monsters, I believe that's when they were inspired to truly HATE Humanity now, with a vengence. And knowing of the Monsters plight and what can be done to save them, and after making that mistake with Asriel (they're just KIDS) of mistaking buttercups for cups of butter and poisoning Asgore. A plan solidifies (after they get over the grief that drives them mad with crazed laughter from almost killing their "Mr. Dad guy" (aw soo shy.)" .   (I say this because it's Interesting how in Undertale, laughter is never associated with happiness, all laughing characters from Sans to Snowdrake's dad are in pain when they laugh. Chara is likely the same.)

Fueled by a love of Monsters, a Hatred of Humans and Self-hatred due to being a human and almost killing Asgore( they do seem to obsessed with concequences and retribution.) probably, they'll poison with those same flowers themselves intrusting their soul to their best friend, they tell him all about their plan, to free everyone, to be strong together (as both Monsters and Chara suffered under Humans for being weak that's probably where Chara's idea of stregnth comes from.) to eradicate the Humans. Asriel does not like the idea of killing people, so Chara insists they'll just kill the six needed, and Asriel agrees, shakily. The plan is underway but Chara has one last plan for their body, to be laid to rest in the middle of town the very center, over flowers as if to say "look at what you did". (Why do I reason this? Buddy,  if Chara really wanted the villagers to attack, they could have mutilated their own body in front of them, faked an attack on their corpse; all they did was carry it to the golden flowers. The image was likely similar to a parent carrying their sleeping child to bed. Chara, believes in the power of concequences, they wanted the Humans to greive over them, but even with the combined mental might of 2 12 year olds, they couldn't predict the attack.)

Anyways, dying a horrible horrible death they give their soul to Asriel, they fuse into a being of unimaginable power, they bring the body, but Humans, believing the monster killed the child attacked them. Chara was willing to strike back at the sudden attack but Asriel was not, this wasn't part of the plan they probably argue, and this is how Asriel gains the idea that Chara is not "the greatest person" especially since they refuse to tell Asriel why they hate Humans so much, something so persona; even their best friend doesn't learn about it, and they end up hurt and the plan fails, Asriel decides to give up and go home with Chara's body and dies once they get there.

Their fused soul breaks, and they both die. Seeing this and lost in grief and anger Asgore declares war on Humanity and decides to kill the Humans who fall here, child or not. Disgusted and in grief from the death of her children, Toriel leaves, taking Chara with her, away from those awful coffins where Asgore plans to STORE his victims to get a proper burial intead of something so horrible!

Treating Chara like another dead human, like they meant nothing, this isn't true Asgore is still attached to Chara and their favorite flower the golden flower, having it everywhere in his castle and even on his weapon, but there is evidence he tried to detatch, calling them just "a Human" rather than his child due to his war on humanity, but we see in pacifist he couldnt he is still reminded of them when he looks at Frisk.

Anyways, Toriel, digusted by this treatment, properly buried Chara in that one sunlit area infront of the ruins back at the abandoned cave end even planting that favorite flower. Often visiting Chara...

And of course all the Flowey stuff happens. Anyways.

One visit, instead of finding the usual flowery grave, Toriel finds that a Human has fallen down. And takes care of them, to fill the void she projects a little, she treats this Human like she treated Chara, perhaps hoping to recreate Chara as one may do when in grief. But they leave, despite her warnings, her knowing of what will happen to them. And it happens again, and again, and again, AND AGAIN. "They come, they leave, they DIE" it tears her apart. Her Heart aches.

An unknown amount of time later, a Human with a red soul and Determination falls right on top of the grave. Their Determination is so strong and comes from a soul so similar it revives the essense of Chara, who is now tied to this Human's soul.

At first, Chara isn't concious, this can be seen by the stats menu being empty and having no name, this can be seen by the fact their is absolutely no narration when you start the game or enter a battle with Flowey.

Suddenly, after this battle, there is narration the name "CHARA" appears in the stats menu (LV 1.),  It reminds me of something Flowey said, "Why did you wake up, did you hear me calling you?"

Perhaps it was Flowey/Asriel's familiarity that did this. And suddenly if you backtrack, you get narration whre there wasn't any. " * (Golden Flowers..)  *  (They must have broken your fall)"  Interesting how the narrator didn't know what happened before this moment, before the name Chara began to appear. "Must have" they're guessing. They weren't concious before this.

But hey, that's why I subscribe to narrator theory, they say it themselves in genocide. "It's me​​​​​, Chara"   As well as the fact Chara has no text box, they talk to you with narration text in the end.

Anyways point is, Chara is suddenly awake, but not in control of this body's actions maybe not because they couldn't, but, as they say "At first I was so confused, why was I brought back to life?" they were dealing with this, they wanted to know why they were brought back to life. They also know this body is not their own, it even asked a question which they decided to answer, leading to that first narration.

Interestingly, it's spoken in parenthesis. This usually happens when a character is whispering or speaking low. As I said, Chara is shy towards new people.

Chara, is fused with Frisk in the same way they were fused with Asriel, they (as can be seen by many examples of narration.) can feel what Frisk feels. They describe Frisk's new feelings to them, in this strange and confusing new world.

"Seeing the ruins looming above fills you with Determination!" then they tell you "File saved." (Interesting, it's almost as if this file isn't Frisk's well duh, "Chara", they share Chara's it seems. (Interesting how Chara knows about this though... have they Saved before?)

What happens next depends on your route, not knowing what to do, Chara decides to help you, giving you options, just to see what you would do. This ultimately tested with Toriel, when one more human comes and tries to leave again, she snaps. (Heartache plays), deciding to scare them into submission. Why does she snap, well Asgore does say they look alot like Chara. Maybe the thought of Frisk dying, when they look so much like them, lead to her snap. Chara dying again.

You try to talk, but it's pointless and Chara gives a very weird dialogue about Mercy and Fighting, almost as if this is their final test for you.

"''Can you show mercy without fighting or running away...?" ''

Why? Because you are proving something, something Chara was curious about. Wether or not Asriel was right. This what this helping thing is all about, really. They likely reason that the reason they are alive again was to see if this is right.

And they also gives an Adorable description of Toriel "Knows best for you." Aww, loves Goat mom. Mother knows best!

If you choose MERCY and go pacifist, the narration gets happier and happier, they start joking around with you and helping you as much as they can(which has it's faults the narration can be wrong. "Monster candy non-licorice flavor ... tastes like licorice", it's about more than the test now, they want to help you, you great merciful bastard!   Though they seem to skimp out of the help when Asgore appears, perhaps they are worried you won't be able to mercy him.  Though this seems to be a pattern with all the Dreemurrs, their family.   Maybe they're worried you won't and will kill them.   But you don't!      And Asgore proclaims, that you paci-frisk remind them so much of the Human that fell here, Chara after their spiel about how he never wanted this, he just wanted revenge for the deaths, and just wanted the underground to Hope again after they lost it when Chara died.      (Heartache part of ASGORE plays in my head)

All the way to the end, where, when you can do nothing, they help you SAVE your friends with the SAVE option and use their memories to bring Asriel back.

Happy as can be. "It's you, Frisk!" they proclaim in the end when you look at your reflection.

If you choose FIGHT to the point of killing but don't kill everyone, Neutral. They become, dissapointed in you, from then on the Narration becomes very very pessimistic and simple. No jokes. No extra hints. This can be seen with the dog food bag,  " (It's a half empty bag of dog food.) "  In pacifist this is "( It's a bag of dog food, it's half full.)"

Why is Chara so depressed? Because you just proved Asriel was wrong, Mercy is not always the answer, and they died for nothing.

Another thing to note is this change in narration is not spurred on by LV but by kill count. If you go neutral but kill over 21 people including Doggo, the dialogue becomes (It's a half empty bag of dog food.) (You just remembered something Funny!)  Suddenly Doggo's death becomes funny.

It seems Their view on the world is directly changed by how much you kill. The dog bag becomes funny. This is directly affected by killing Doggo and killing more than 20 people. The narrator doesn’t find his death funny before 20 kills. Something has changed in them.
 * If you kill no one, they’re optimistic. They don’t want you to kill.
 * If you kill even once, they become pessimistic.
 * If you kill over 20 people then they can be sadistic, even on a non-genocide route.

If you choose FIGHT and go GENOCIDE, this is further expressed, Chara begins to count how many people you need to kill, LOVE rises, something interesting happens. LOVE, it measures one's capacity to hurt. The more of it the have, the less you care.

Over the run a smiley face starts to appear whenever you encounter someone, and Chara starts becoming impatient, they narrate things as vaguely as they can and snap at you if they already read it, they will take control of YOUR BODY to force you to skip the dialogue of characters, and will say they are not worth talking to or remembering. They begin acting like a speedrunner when they narrate, "Where are the knives!" "I've read this already." and they begin to act like this is a mission, "Missed that Comedian. Failure." Interestingly they still keep their sense of concequences even after losing their morality, if you check the presents they say "None for you!" .

Interestingly, sensing this behavior, Flowey begins to think you are Chara(he also does in pacifist but less confidently.). Many take this to mean they know Chara was evil in life but no, no, it's because you are acting like him, soulless, and they expected that if Chara returned like he returned they would be soulless due to the fact they died together. Which is why he is confused by the pacifist run.

One genocide later we come up to Asgore's castle, where Chara is conflicted by their memories back in the house with red text. Many believe that the red text is only Chara's and that there others are not, but no, Chara does not speak in red text when you meet them, it is seen in Undertale that Red text is used when something is pointed out or when. It also seems to occur when the narrator is angry. When you keep checking useless things in Snowdin they say "Ah! Wow! Woah! It's a *red* hole" when they're done with you. The narrator is Chara, thus Chara using red text occurs when they feel strong emotion.

And that would happen at the castle. '''"My drawing." "Still has that sweater." "No chocolate" ''' The memories are flooding back!

It still isn't enough to change them back from Sadist mode, they're too far gone.

Then comes the fight with Sans.

Where he talks about knowing what we are through "our" (Gaster's theme plays in my head) reports. Knowing how the timelines end and how it all works. About how he tried to befriend us to stop all this but now that it's coming, despite being depressed due to this knowledge he can't sit back and relax.

And all the while, interestingly, while still helping you, Chara can't help but taunt you "KARMA flowing through your veins", the one thing that doesn't change is Chara's belief in concequences.

After killing Sans, Asgore says hello, but when he looks at you.. he doesn't know WHAT we are, when before he could see their human child, Chara, in our eyes.

Then gets murder and it all comes to a head.

As I said above, Chara at first doesn't know why they're here after "our plan failed"  or what you awere doing but then comes to a conclusion they praise you for, teaching them the meaning of their re-incarnation. Power. "Together we defeated the enemy and became strong".

But I must stress something, LOVE isn't actual power, rather it is a measure of the capicity to hurt, that is, the MENTAL stregth comes from being detatched and having no connection to anyone no matter the relation even being another person. Being able to kill without fear. The physical strength comes from the fact that kind of thing cuts through Monsters like a knife through butter. The children aren't actually stronger.

This can be seen with Flowey. "Let's erase everyone, everything in these worthless memories!"

Chara then tells them about their new plan to erase this world and move on to the next.

But you refuse! You refuse and the realization of your true intentions or should I say lack thereof sets Chara off. Chara, lashing out says this is interesting in their composed manner and then taunts you about how this is their save file and you are not truly in control before erasing it.

Knowing there is no reason to your killing, that you did it because you wanted to, they begin to lecture you, their belief in concequences returning in full force. YOU destroyed the world YOU set off this chain of events.

But then, being an empty being, decide that if you give them a soul they'll compromise. Congrats, you sold well, Frisk's soul to Chara and they recreate their file.

Chara then proceeds to take away your happy ending as punishment.

Again, if you do another genocide they talk about how you showed them the meaning of their second life, so much so they claim that the very feeling of gaining power is who they are.

It's ultimately all a metaphor for an RPG character, you name them, you make them kill, you turn them into demons that come when people call their (given) name, and you raise their stats, the stats that come with your character, that define your RPG character. "That's me (name)."

But then tells you how you don't believe in this philosophy yourself, that you are strange and filled with a perverted sentimentality Chara, soulless, cannot understand. And so digusted, they recommend you do pacifist before erasing the file.

And that's pretty much it.

"We'll be together forever, won't we." .