Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-29788596-20160906011125/@comment-26907577-20200218214928

Two things.

One:

However, this is made to support a fact that Chara becomes sadistic after killing many people. There is sufficient evidence to support this. For example, Sans states that you (Frisk, the human) are pretending to be a human. Asgore no longer sees the light in Frisk's eyes that resembles them to Chara, etc, etc.

Asgore is reminded of Chara when he sees Frisk. In genocide, Determinators' is assuming that whatever reminded Asgore of Chara: namely, that stated light in Frisk's eyes - is no longer present, causing corruption (in Frisk!). The point that only Chara ("only"? I need more evidence that Chara was corrupted at all.) has been corrupted is Determinators' post is untrue. I agree with that, and you make a good argument for it.

Repeat: I need more evidence that Chara was corrupted at all. All of the stuff mentioned was about Frisk.

Two:

Adressing your point that Flowey was once a compassionate flower. It's stated in the game that monster souls are consisted mainly of compassion. However, Flowey is soulless. There is no possible way he could be compassionate. Every action he did was to see the different possible outcomes, similar to some players.

Not every action. Only after the first few. Let's see... I remember when I first woke up here, in the garden. I was so scared. I couldn't feel my arms or my legs... My entire body had turned into a flower! "Mom! Dad! Somebody help me!" I called out. ...come to think of it, that isn't compassionate either. But it isn't "to see the different possible outcomes".