Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-29788596-20160906011125/@comment-28517148-20180603093415

@MML!opinions!Fun!Chocolate! ''Rafip... did you read what I said?'' Yes, I see what you have done.

Chara and Asriel died, we don’t know what would’ve happened if they succeeded! The War. Even Asriel admits it. Also, what exactly do you mean by don’t blame the player for Chara’s actions? Sorry, english language difficult. I mean don't try to use the Player's conduct during Geno and reasons behind it as excuse to belittle Chara's guilt for their own deeds. That's why it won't work: 1 - We are talking about Chara here and Players are different case. It all look like attempt to use Player as distraction and excuse: ''oh look! the player has made entire Geno willingly! They are more evil than Chara, who is good because abused by parents!'' :p 2 - You are trying to equate fictional character subordinated to canon with a real person existing in the reality where canon doesn't apply. It won't work.

If you can still say Chara is evil and made you do genocide after reading this, tell me! Chara didn't make me to do Genocide route. What now? ''Did Chara, a FICTIONAL CHARACTER, play Undertale? Did they press the buttons? No, PLAYERS DID!'' You are right. ''Well, Toby Fox doesn’t want us to escape our choices. If you play Undertale like your average RPG, then Toby will make sure you have a very bad time! You get punished for killing innocent monsters! And post genocide is basically the game saying “I won’t let you forget what you did! Your actions have consequences! And you won’t escape them!” Undertale is a game about choice. Not a movie, but a game! WE made the decisions, now WE have to live with the outcome! It’s Karma! Chara was basically Karma smacking you in the behind! So, if you won’t blame yourself for the consequences of YOUR ACTIONS, I guess you can only blame Toby Fox for making the game like that! For making you choices have outcomes. If you do bad things, bad things happen to you! Can’t argue with common sense, am I right?'' Your common sense has failed you. You don't understand basic relations between the Players and the game, which led you to incorrect conclusions. And now you running around entire forum shouting about mythical consequences to everyone who have made the Geno route. What kind of consequences you are actually talking about? What kind of punishment for me the Player you are talking?

@Evilwizard89013 They also referred to themselves as " the demon that comes when you call it's name. " So they clearly has evil intentions. Yes, they called themselves a demon, but is still doesn't make them evil. It would be better to judge them by what they actually have done. Not to mention they erased the world *_* I see erasing the world as a form of punishment or at least an attempt to punish someone. Again I agree there guilty but I'm just saying they did it out of psychological trauma which isn't a good excuse but is the perfect motive And I don't care about Chara's motives since for me it looks like a searching for questionable excuses just to reinforce opinion saying that Chara is evil.

@MML!opinions!Fun!Chocolate! Maybe Chara suggesting a different route is just Toby Fox’s way of saying “do pacifist or have a bad time” If true, saying such thing to people would have consequences for Mr. Fox for real this time.

You have turned this thread, which isn't a chat, hard to read complete mess.