Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-30088034-20170108152544/@comment-24821641-20170118000006

" which would make complete sense with how, for instance, the human reacts differently in different playthroughs, such as hiding behind the lamp in Neutral (Frisk), versus staying put and refusing to move (Chara). Indeed, how often does the human make an independent act which is the same in both Neutral and Genocide?"

Or it's because both of them have a completely different mindset in Genocide, since they're mentally distancing themselves.

"Meanwhile, the game doesn't make a great deal of sense if the player isn't a distinct entity, or at least intended to be a distinct entity (if not properly divided by the game's narration). If the player is Frisk, then Flowey's speech about letting Frisk live their own life makes no sense, since the implication is that the player is Chara (or at the very least is someone that Flowey has confused with Chara). If the player is Chara, then the ending of Genocide would quite obviously make no sense."

How doesn't it? Flowey directly addresses Chara - presumably, they stay behind in the Underground. Chara's talking to Frisk at the end, they take their soul.

"For any piece of evidence that can be brought to suggest that the player is Frisk, another piece of evidence can be brought to suggest that the player is Chara. If the evidence is so thoroughly convoluted that neither answer is in fact consistent, is it not then simpler that neither character is the player, and in fact the player has a distinct will from Frisk and Chara?"

Okay, what's the proof it's Chara? Everything the player chooses to do as desribed as "you did x", and 'you' always refers to Frisk, including in Genocide ("You felt your sins crawling on your back", "you took the key", "you can feel it beating", "You equipped The Locket"). 'Still just you, Frisk.' I don't see what isn't consistant.

"why do you have some things directed at me but some things directed at mabian in the same post? seperate them pls/"

I think double posting might be against the forum rules.

"does chara share a body with frisk or just haves the soul in their possesion? and i meant after a genocide run, but that was already answered. and does chara want you to do pacifist because they are nice or just want to kill everyone outside the barrier too?"

They have to offically get Frisk's soul at the end of Genocide, they didn't always have it. They share a body, Chara moves them sometimes, even outside of cutscenes, judging by "Here's a random page" and "Can't move your body" vs "You turn to a random page" and "You struggle. Nothing happens." And despite what the fandom thinks I don't think Chara has huge elaborate plans and predicts everything, they had no way to know not killing anything would eventually lead to the Barrier breaking. If you mean after Genocide, they don't steer you toward True Pacifist, just non-Genocide routes. Either way humans aren't affected by LOVE, even after Genocide Chara couldn't kill any more humans than any other 12-year-old with a gardening tool.

"i know there's already a discussion for this but what do you guys think about chara reloading her last save so they wouldn't die? can chara save at all? "

By 'they' do you mean Chara and Asriel or Chara and Frisk? 'Frisk's' file has Chara's name on it, and they're the one Flowey tells not to True Reset, so it might actually be them that saves.