Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20190617222636/@comment-32182236-20190721132357

Didn't they say lights were coming from the crystals on the ceiling? We get to see them in a few places. While the light of The Barrier is different, perhaps the sequence where we have to light the cyrstals to light our way happens in a tunnel or such where there isn't access to the ceiling?

...Maybe? I'd say the light of the Barrier is light from the outside world.

Anything can get in, but only beings with a powerful SOUL can leave.

Light is not a being with a powerful SOUL. So it can't leave. So it gets reflected by the Barrier when it tries to leave, but light coming in through the Barrier gets to go through.

Hmm.. some parts like Snowdin are well lit, with dark ceilings. While others like Frisk and Monster Kid's trip through Waterfall are dark.. with bright ceilings. Interesting.

So the ceilings aren't positively correlated with the rest of the room.

While I agree that the Waterfall Glyphs were certainly made before Chara arrived, and date back to the time the monsters first entered the Underground and traveled to Home, why do you say the Glyphs must have been made after the birth of Asriel?

Now, now, they aren't dated to the time the monsters went to Home. They're referring to the time the monsters traveled to Home. In the past tense. Which means they were written after then. And they were made in Waterfall. Also, take a look at the order they were logically written in. You read them in order when traveling from Home to New Home. So, the glyphs were actually written during the trip to New Home. Which happened after Asriel's birth.

So Asriel became active in the Underground before Chara did. Regardless of how fast they age.

Yes, that is correct. Which is why they could have been made after Asriel, but before Chara.

You have an interesting point in that Frisk only seems to sleep for a few seconds at a time, and the other characters notices this. And that the Froggit at the beginning says that it's still the same day as when Frisk's adventure began. This might simply be the game being self-referential. Or it could be that people with PSI heal faster.

It's either the latter, or something special about Determination. Or humans in general. I see no reason to call this non-canon.

I don't actually think destroying the Ruins Door was an issue. It was one-way, and Frisk was able to walk right through it going on. It's a defensive measure to keep humans from coming in and attacking Home.

Yes, that probably was the original intent of the Door.

But we're asking what Toriel wants to happen now. I think Toriel was just testing us.

I suppose you could say that. She does want us to prove that we're strong enough to survive, after all.

Many years passed between Gaster's death and Alphy's appointment to Royal Scientist. I don't think she worked with him. And if any of my theories are close, Gaster would want to keep his inner circle of friends very tight, so I don't think he was especially keen on teaching the monsters more than they needed to know.

Well, I suppose monster criminals might exist and try to take Gaster's friends as hostages.. Leaving Alphys to gather his notes and learn what she could when he started work years later.

But as the Royal Scientist, Gaster would be doing his work for Asgore. And now that Alphys is the Royal Scientist, wouldn't Asgore help jumpstart Alphys, and let Alphys continue where Gaster left off?

Do Darkeners actually bleed? Do we see that in Deltarune? I thought most enemies just got bonked and spun off-screen?

That's because we never kill Darkners. As for evidence of Darkners bleeding?

"Everyone bleeds, right?"

Ralsei does not correct Susie here... and he almost always corrects Susie when she makes an error.

Monsters also have gravestones in Deltarune.. Which doesn't make sense, as monster funerals involve speading dust on the deceased's favorite items. The dust that the body turns into. There's no body to put inside gravestones.

Lancer tells our heroes that he's going to turn them into blood. This implies plurality, so he can't just be assuming only the human would turn into blood. Once again.. Ralsei doesn't correct him.

Darkners have the ability to dodge attacks at times. Like Sans. (Though only if they're warned about the attack.)

If Sans is a Darkner.. It'd explain much of his differences with Papyrus. (And remember.. His sprite is black-and-white. We wouldn't know if Sans' head sprite is colored like a Darkner's or not.)

Granted, the animated game pieces are probably very different in nature from Ralsei and Lancer, so they might operate under different rules.

Or they fled before they would have bled.

Undertale makes a point of telling us the monsters learn technology from human garbage, then make the waterfall garbage dump an important area in the game on several occasions.

...No, Undyne's the one telling us. Not the game.

...Should I start calling out logical fallacies?

It's through his garbage that the monsters learn about the human world above. And what they learn also tells us about this world too.

Yes, the garbage is their only information about the human world. This is why the legend of Santa was corrupted (listen to Papyrus' description of him in his date), and why Undyne thinks that anime is real.

What metric the monsters use to determine what is ancient or not. Toriel has a cell phone and a camcorder. All of which is in line technologically with the real world 2010-2020 calendar. I see no reason why the monsters should have a different way to measure time, or why the current year should vary far from this metric.

So what we call modern, monsters call ancient.

That means the monsters' version of modern is what we would call futuristic.

So monsters are far ahead of humans technologically. Which would only make sense if their tech is not coming from humans, but from another source entirely. Like Gaster.