Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26006155-20190820122909/@comment-32182236-20200106212159

@Jacky:Technically, Ferret hasn't even proven #1. Sure, Alphys could meet the same fate, but that doesn't mean the portal has to still be active. Alphys is also dabbling into this kind of research, so maybe she'd end up replicating it.

Now, to Ferret.

Well, when she wins, Chara turns the entire timeline into a black void. A state of non-existance. I think it's safe to say that in this void, everything that isn't Chara herself has been erased.

Definitely the entire Underground, at least, and Alphys couldn't have broken the Barrier:The SOULs were still with Asgore.

Mettaton (I got the quote wrong before, thanks for the correction) says Alphys is taking everyone to a place where "you'll never get to them."

Yes. This "you", should be presumed to be referring to FRISK, until we have evidence that Alphys knew about Chara, AND that Alphys saw Chara as the main threat, rather than Frisk, the one who actually just killed Undyne.

This place must not be in the present universe, because in this timeline, Chara just got to everything.

Yes, Chara did. Frisk did not. And Alphys may very well have simply been unaware of Chara's power, and her statement was a false belief. This is a flaw in your argument. It's a fallacy.

The only way Alphys and her people could be beyond Chara's reach, was if they were in a different reality entirely.

This is invalidated because it relies on the earlier fallacy. The jump between Alphys saying Frisk couldn't get to them, and Chara actually not getting to them is a two-fold fallacy:The first gap is from Frisk to Chara, and the second is from Alphys saying it, to it actually being true.

Alternate dimensions have been one of Alphys' primary areas of research for some time. She installs a dimensonal warp box into Frisk's phone in two seconds flat. Imagine what she could do with an entire 2 mintues.

She updated Frisk's phone. The Dimensional Box was likely already invented at the time, and she just installed it. It's not like she designed the boxes in 2 seconds.

Most of Alphys' technology is derived from Gaster's earlier work, which she's copying or reverse-engineering to figure out how it works.

Alphys likely did discover Gaster's old technology, as she did take Gaster's place. And she probably has attempted to reverse-engineer it. Though we don't know how much of her technology came from Gaster, and how much is actually her own inventions. For all we know, all of it could have been her own inventions. It all depends on how more advanced Gaster's technology is to Alphys'. If there's a sizable gap, Alphys might not have been able to reverse-engineer any of it, meaning that she can only invent her own. But if the gap is smaller, then it's doable.

Alphys has certainly had access to a dimensional portal. Otherwise she couldn't have conducted her research.

That is, the Dimensional Box would not be able to function, as it relies on, well.. dimensions.

We've never seen every part of the Core. It has a system of moveable rooms as a defense mechanism, and also an easy way to hide internal fascilities that Gaster doesn't want the public to see. Anything could be lurking in that building. So just because Frisk didn't actually see this portal during his runs doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

Sure, but when we have other explanations for Gaster's fall that are more parsimonious, and also explain more things, then those explanations take more priority.

When Frisk warps back to the beginning after each run, he uses a power greater than his own ability to reload a save, going back far deeper in time. Utilizing this portal might explain this.

But Flowey already explained what a Reset is. It's tearing everyone out of the timeline, and making a new one. This is also why the FUN value changes upon reset. A portal would result in no FUN value change, and Flowey would be wrong about a power that he uses!