Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-37334388-20190301031034/@comment-33883848-20190318090829

"The split control only applies to DT souls. Otherwise, Flowey X wouldn't be able to control the six human SOULs, and they'd be able to break free WITHOUT you giving them the DT necessary to do so."

1.Thats never indicated that dt is a soul trait 2.Thats never indicated anywhere that only dt souls can have control 3.Asriel still had control over his body while his soul isnt dt 4.Actually,the 6 souls DO take control over Omega Flowey several times in the battle and latter rebel when you call out for help.NOT because you gave them dt(not literally i mean,you probably gave them emotions but you didn't literally share your dt) them and defeat Flowey. 5.that would basically ruin their plan

But of course we dont know why all the souls cant rebel agaisnt Asriel during the battle in the true pacifist run but that may be because they are trapped in "Asriel s soul",after all they all compose Asriel s soul.

"Also, with enough SOULs, you can overshadow even that. It is IMPOSSIBLE to make the SOULs revolt in Asriel Dreemurr's fight."

No remember the control is shared,so all the souls would have this ability youre talking about and as i said its indicated by the narration that all of your friends actually what make Asriel s soul since hes soulless,thats why they cant rebel.Or perhaps they have no will to help you because they only have bad memories of you,Asriel himself says that your friends forgot about you and when themain cast remember all other monsters and human souls dont,so they dont allow them to take over.After all the control ia still shared even though when Omega flowey has 6 souls so...

"Yes, they wanted to free the monsters. But the only way to do that permenatly is to kill ALL humanity. Besides, they hated humanity, they wouldn't want to keep humanity around!"

They perhaps didnt want to keep all humanity alive but they themself says that their only plan was the one Asriel was agreed to,they never told Asriel that they would eradicate humanity in process only that they would get 6 souls and break the barrier.Plus,the control with all souls would be split,so thats risky and they would know that Asriel wouldn't want to eradicate humanity even in the war as hes compassionate and all.

"Chara had no bed in the Ruins. So they never actually lived there-Who knows the reason why Asriel went all the way to the Ruins to find Chara, but he did. So the first drawing was Asriel's, and the second was Chara's. So perhaps the second was a recreation of the first Asriel made, since Chara was Asriel's friend? Why wouldn't they draw something Asriel likes?"

1.You can only find the golden flowers on the surface and the golden flower from Toriel s house is golden flower that atbthat looks exactly the same as Chara's drawing 2.Charrator is similar with the tree in front of Toriels house as they says "every time this tree grow any leaves they fall right off"as if they lived here 3.There's a room "under renovations"in Toriel s house,Chara likely slept here before they decide to officially adopt them 4.The "date i came here"might mean the "date i came in new home" 5.Thats not a point at all here,the fact is that Chara loved golden flowers and so wanted to be put in rest on them

"At first, I was so confused. Why was I brought back to life?"

"Yeah, why?"

That was up to you to give them an aswer or more precisely your guidance shows them why

"I realized the purpose of my reincarnation. Power."

"You helped them gain the power, of course. But they came to that realization on their own."

Are you seriosly dumb????the way the whole line is worded indicate that they only understood the reason of their reincarnation because of your guidance and guidance is not help,guidance means "leading"or "advice".They understood the reason of their reincarnatiom because of yohr guidance,otherwise this dialogue doenst make sence at all.Why would Chara wonder "why"they coame back to life and right after point yohr guidance if they realized their purpose on theif own??And does they say that "power"were the reason they came back to life if they have no reason to tell it im the case they figured it out themself.

And actually theres NO evidemces that Chara figure out the reason of their reincarnation was power by theself,they sure help you to gain power in the genocide run but only after you made them realize that power was the reason they camw back.They dont provide you any kill count im the ruins which meana that they DIDNT figure out it by themself,you needed to make it realize im the ruins by clearing the ruins.And they are of course optimistic in pacifist run and pessimistic in no mercy,so no they dont want to gain power. And their behaviour in the genocide run is VERY different in the genocide run,they take control more often and is impatient etc...unlike in other runs,so theyve changed im the genocide run because of "your guidance"

"And by the way, there IS another reason to destroy the monsters. Chara hated humanity, maybe Frisk hated monsters! Maybe they thought they were doing humanity a favor?"

They wants ti destroy whole world after gaining enough emmotional power/love,so no thats not their goal and theres no evidence that by "world"they meant the underground.They consider it as your common goal as you proved them its working on kill or be killed unless you betray them by refusing to destroy the world and/or by recreating it as you proved that you killed half of the underground thinking it would have con consequences

"They do manipulate you. But not as strongly as many would believe, and they really only manipulate you into going along with the SOUL exchange. This is what they were waiting for the entire time."

1.Why would they ??after all,they might just tell Frisk "if you want to recreate the world give me your soul"thats all and Frisk would be willing to give up theirsoul if they really want to go back to the world,theres no need of guilt triping them 2."Theres a reason why you CONTINUE to destroy the world,theres a reason why you CONTINUE to recreate it" Chara still accuse Frisk for the world's destructiom that occured in the two genocide runs even thought they have their soul,so its unlikely fheir goal

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"...You DO make a VERY fair point regarding the fact that you already eradicated the enemy, before the world's destruction would kill off the rest of the monsters. And Chara would already know about Alphys as well."

Because the enemy=monsters you attacked Frisk.Chara would say that they already eraducated the enemy if Alphys and others were enemies.

"But remember, they were trying to get you to destroy the world, because there was "nothing left". Even when there was clearly something left. (The same monsters you stated.) So all this is saying is that they want you to think you've finished. And to keep that going, of course they'd say you already eradicated the enemy."

Again you infairly accuse them of manipulation even though its not suggested,even though they dont need to lie.By "theres nothing left for us here"they meant that theres no love to gain anymore,you already reached the "absolute",the max of lv ,lv 20(sans also says its the max) "Now we have reached the absolute,theres nothing left for us here" and so youre enough distanced with yourself to destroy the world .No need to complicate everything