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Okay, so I actually kind of appreciate that Toby made it so that we couldn't save him. Don't get me wrong; I love Goatbro soo much. But especially in the world we live in today, where the idea of guaranteed gratification runs rampant, I think it was very commendable of him to show the very true reality that all of your ambitions, even if they are genuine, altruistic ambitions, just don't all get to come true. To me it makes the game that much better, because I think that people need to understand that that's the way our world works.

Regardless of this, however, I do like to imagine a timeline in which Asriel gets to live on the surface with all the other monsters. And I think I've figured out a way for that to happen, at least theoretically.

First, let's examine what caused Flowey to regain his goatly form in the end of the True Pacifist run. I don't think it was from having the power of 7 human souls (6 human souls + all the monster souls). I mean, think about it. Before he knows that the rest of the monsters are coming to help you, Flowey already says that he's ready to assume his "true form", which we know to be Asriel.

Now, if 6 entire human souls just turn him into Photoshop Flowey, it seems unlikely that the sheer power of a few more monster souls (which are each a tiny fraction of a human soul in terms of power) would make much of a difference. Instead, I think that monster and human souls are fundamentally different. As described here on the UnderTale Amino by a user named Agent Raven, monster souls appear to pump magical energy throughout their bodies inherently, like an actual heart, whereas each human's magical ability (e.g., determination) can only come externally, such as by the sight of Toriel's home or the sound of the wind howling in the distance.

Therefore, the thing that Asriel needs to stay sustained isn't a human soul as in the (still really awesome) series Dreemurr Reborn, but a monster soul. It actually makes a lot of sense if you think about it; I mean, what he had to begin with was, in fact, a monster soul, not a human one.

Now begs the question: who would be willing to give up their soul for Asriel to become whole again? Well, the monster who loves him the most would be either Toriel or Asgore, but that wouldn’t be a very satisfying story, would it? Swapping the death of one beloved character for another? It would work, of course, but it would never feasibly happen, even from an in-universe perspective. The monsters of the kingdom would love to have Asriel again, sure, but not at the expense of their king or queen. They just love them too much already.

Wait…who’s the least beloved character in the Underground?



 "Ugh, the WiFi sucks in here."

That's right. Jerry can save Asriel. And not only that, he actually has INSENTIVE to do so.

Now, before you click away from this post and think I'm just being dumb, let's examine why, of all monsters, saving Asriel may be in Jerry's self-interest.

First off, of course, he's got to know that nobody likes him. I mean, I personally don't hate him as much as a lot of the fandom does, but he is pretty annoying for being an assist-character, and every monster in their world picks up on this. (Y'know, in heinsight, that's probably why Toby wrote him in the first place: to make a generally likeable gaming trope the opposite.) Sacrificing himself to save the single most beloved monster in the game would make other monsters finally admire and respect him. After all, his flavor text when encounting him does read, "*Jerry clings to you." He's also probably within earshot (or whatever he has intead of ears, I guess) when, after ditching him, you and the other monsters that he was supposedly hanging out with start to "celebrate his disappearance." Notice the wording there. "Celebrate" is defined as "to observe a notable occasion with festivities." And, going even further down this rabbit hole, festivities are "the celebration of something in a joyful and exuberant way." What this tells us is that it's very unlikely that Jerry doesn't hear this celebration, and therefore he has definitive knowledge that he is a generally disliked guy. And, judging by the way he clings to you when encountered alone, he obviously wants people to like him. Saving Asriel would definitely accomplish this, even if it would have ramifications regarding his, y'know, his life.

Secondly, even if he would be just a drop of Jerry in the back of Asriel's mind, if he retained even a little bit of consciousness, he would be able to feel how mych everyone loves Asriel, and (in his mind, I'm sure) by extension, himself. It could be argued, from Jerry's own perspective anyway, that he would have a better life as being a part of Asriel, however small a part that may be, than his current life as a UFO-toad-thing could ever be. He would get to experience love, compassion, and hope, which he doesn't appear to currently have.

One final point: if Jerry already doesn't have these things, why would combining his soul with Flowey produce the Asriel we all love? Wouldn't he still be devoid of compassion, etc.?

That would be the case, but if we look in the Snowdin Library in the dark green book, it says that monster souls are said to be made of  love, hope, and compassion. Judging by the way Jerry talks during his fight, it's not hard to conclude that he's probably living alone, and may have never consciously experienced these things. But Flowey? He still has memories of his enitre life as the beloved prince of all monsters. He very well have been the most lowercase-loved character in the entire lore! So, if we combine Jerry's soul, which, as a monster, is composed of love and all that, and combine it with Flowey's memories, we just may very well be able to resurrect Asriel Dreemurr, for good.

TL;DR: Some guy on the forum came up with a way to get rid of Jerry and bring back Asriel in one fell swoop.

<p class="MsoNormal">or should i say...

<p class="MsoNormal">SANS I SWEAR TO GOD DON'T---

<p class="MsoNormal">one fellswap? ;)

<p class="MsoNormal">SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANS!!!! <ac_metadata title="How to, theoretically, save Asriel for good.....Jerry"> </ac_metadata>