Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26905610-20160225224529/@comment-26905610-20160226074432

Mabian wrote: I could try putting up a lot of little points, but I'm not sure how much they could do to convince you, as your central argument seems to be that you want a complete reversal of Asgore's personality: he should act as a fierce defender when facing Chara and refuse to fight when facing Frisk.

Well, you don't have to convince me of that. I'm just asking if you like him. And you didn't answer that! I will not try to make anyone hate him, I'm just curious about what people think about him.

And it's not like I wanted him to refuse to fight when facing Frisk, I understand the whole situation. I was expecting he would make Frisk a punching bag until he got tired and finally accepted that Frisk's resilience and Determination were greater than his own power, making him realize that peace and friendship were the only available solution and it would be for the best, kinda like what happens with Undyne and Mettaton. But no, if he can kill Frisk, he will always kill him, even being aware that Frisk's soul cannot be stolen because of his Determination messing up the timeline. Does Asgore feels good killing a peaceful kid who only wants to be friends?

However, when facing his certain death, instead of fighting for his own survival if for anything, he invites the devil for a round of tea. Seriously, suppose you are standing before an evil abomination about to kill you, you are pretty sure these are your last moments living, would you really ask the monster out for dinner to discuss in a more civilized manner his intentions of killing you in cold blood, or would you grit your teeth and resist, like even the animals in nature do? Actually, if Asgore were to freeze in fear I would understand, but to talk keeping his cold like that? This guy is no naive kid.

Mabian wrote:

Perhaps it'd be better to view Asgore as a tragic character: he does not and never wanted to fight, and in fact tries to do everything in his power to avoid fighting, but once faced with the reality of his own decision (i.e. to decree that any human who enters the Underground must be killed so their soul can be collected), he very reluctantly fights. In fact, every interaction you have with Asgore has to do with him forcing himself to overcome that reluctance.

Well... it seems to me he only goes on if he thinks he is stronger than the human, if he is sure he will win. He overcomes his reluctance to fight weaker kids, so adorable.

Mabian wrote:

I'd appreciate a link to the evidence about Asgore's attack power increasing over the course of the fight.

As I said, it's a dataminers finding. I don't know if I'm allowed to post links about what those guys do, so I'll just tell you to make a google search about the Undertale debug mode. But anyway, this would be just a detail, it really does not change anything if it's not true.

Mabian wrote:

The only information I've ever seen on Asgore has to do with the things that decrease his attack power (talking to him and eating the pie), and the fact that no attack from Asgore will take you from more than 1 HP down to 0.

Since you can't convince him to stop, the fact that you can make him shake in his boots only makes things worse for him. He is such a coward that he will always choose to kill a peaceful child even knowing it's wrong just because it's easier. And I think you are mistaking his battle with the one against Toriel, he deals a lot of damage and have no problem killing the character.

You know who does an awesome job overcoming this horrible fear of making an effort and doing what is right? Sans. He could just watch everything end and feel like being set free from that world that never truly moves on, but instead he gives his all trying to stop you.

(By the way, if anyone reading this still didn't go the genocide route yet for whatever reason, DO IT! You are truly missing half of the game)