Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31371445-20170222233857/@comment-27136653-20180908153708

@MysteriousMalice

"The only rule stated for S/L/R is that you have to be the most determined being, the one with the most DT."

Believe it or not, sometimes we have to make up new rules to explain the canon. I try not to do it though. Whenever I'm presented with two options, I go with the one that assumes less. But here, I've had no other plausible alternative to go with.

"So your answer is Meta. How does this explain Sans "Special Attack"? How does this explain his explanation?"

I'm really not feeling up to repeating myself today, sorry.

"How does this explain the line in the game that disproves the whole "world turns black and white in a fight" thing? How does this explain the battle system? How does this explain the narrations? How does this explain the descriptions whenever you choose CHECK? How does this explain Sans hint about the Blue SOUL Mode?"

What Sans said related to turns and the battle system. Most of these that you listed don't. The world turns black and white, because if turns and buttons and everything is real, then why shouldn't this be real too? And if by that line you mean twilight shining through the barrier, either Chara doesn't see the world in black and white, or noticed it before the battle began. Next, the narrations, once again, are spoken out. More precisely, inside Frisk's head. It's not text, it's neural synapses. And any other text is audible speech. Same for the checks, that's Chara speaking, not typing on a keyboard. And soul modes don't even need any meta explanation, unlike the battle system. Soul modes simply dictate how you can and cannot move your soul (so it's magic, not battle-system-related restrictions), you don't inherently need a battle system for that.

"So, nothing, nothing is your proof."

Read it again. And as for the proof I mentioned, refer back to my other posts, where I stated the proof. This was just my summary of those previous posts, my conclusion derived from them. I'm not sure if you're actually this stupid, or just incredibly ignorant.

"DT clearly fluctuated with Undyne"

Yes. I merely said it doesn't fluctuate with humans, I never said it doesn't for monsters. Heh I mean, what makes you think human and monster souls work the same way?

"Undyne gets her Undying form, and Frisk gets the ability to REFUSE."

Yes, but the overall amount of DT within Frisk's soul stays constant, because human souls are used as a metric (meaning they cannot vary, else it would not be stated that 7 human souls are needed, if due to their variation anywhere between 1 and 100 souls could be needed for the barrier, depending on how particularly determined they were upon death). With monsters, it clearly varies, because their bodies are their soul, so if Undyne always had the same amount of DT as she had there, she would have melted upon birth.

"Our data is STRICTLY what the game gives us, and neither we or you have found nothing that actually contradicts it."

Sure, you can stay that delusional, idc anymore.

"What proof do you have of this? I see no proof."

You must be blind then! For how long has this thread ran? And many other threads of mine? I assumed that since you joined this discussion, you have read them all. Because, you know, I was using proofs from those other threads in this discussion, instead of explaining everything from the beginning for your own comfort, because I didn't start talking in this thread to you, it was to THA, who was the one I was debating with in those other threads.

"Oh, so you ARE disregarding canon! Nice to see that you finally admit that."

I cannot cite this. THA said that Toby said that turns are canon, not me.

"But you have to accept that they're naturally occuring things in this world."

I'm sorry, I cannot. I cannot accept that if the battle system is real, the overworld acts differently from it (e.g. Frisk not being stopped by invisible boundaries from leaping off a cliff). Because if everything had to be exactly how we see it on the screen, the only explanation left would be that UT is actually about some invisible player figure, who plays Undertale and makes the exact same movements as us during it. All because UT's laws are more reminiscent of a computer program, rather than a real functioning world.

But if we abolish this idea and go with my interpretation, its world would be closer to a real world, rather than a computer code. Because what is simpler? A universe that behaves like a computer program but isn't a computer program, or a universe that straight up IS a computer program? Obivous answer: the latter.

"Except, by your logic, Omega Flowey had a composite SOUL."

Yes. Did he not? Omega Flowey had the control. So did Asriel. But neither of them could reset, because they had composite souls. This is my theory. Of course, it's only an assumption that Omega Flowey couldn't reset, because we didn't actually see him try it in the game. But just because he didn't try it doesn't mean I'm incorrect. Yes, it's an assumption, but that's what theories are all about. You make a theory based on observations, which allows you to PREDICT certain other things about the world.

For example, Higgs boson. People predicted its existence, and until only a few years ago we had no idea if our theory-based prediction was true.

Same for me. I have constructed this theory, and I am predicting that Omega Flowey couldn't reset. Of course, here we are missing the confirmation step, because the game never did and never will confirm it. But as for the rest of this topic within the game, my theory explains all of it, ergo, it has no direct flaws.