Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31536324-20190117214835/@comment-27136653-20190212062011

Actually, those two things are not equivalent.

Care explaining? Because putting an end to the mayhem of ball just means to calm the ball down. Because we know what "mayhem of ball" is referring to, the ball bouncing around the playing area. You can then also add that we're not just calming it down, we're giving order to the entire system.

''Exactly. But learning each time. Taking notes about it.''

I mean, yeah. Doing something over and over again will make you remember it eventually.

''For five flags, the ball is an obstacle. Whether it's the game, the ball itself, or some unknown entity, it's ALWAYS an obstacle.''

There's 6 flags though. Remember what you've told me a long time ago? One small little thing doesn't fit & we gotta rethink everything. Or are you finally allowing yourself to reexplain in-game facts to make them conform to each other, finally understanding that sometimes, you cannot just merge two facts as they are?

''No, it's not. Even you say it's not literal kindness, but defense. I say it's not literal kindness, but passion in general.''

Alright then, let's move onto this for now. I say that it cannot be passion due to [read what I said about it earlier]. Are you also planning to doubt my own conclusion about it, or shall we discuss solely the passion thingy?

No, blue is originality and moral honesty.

It's also creativity, which kinda goes hand in hand with passion. Being creative, passionate about a given hobby, for example. Passion also fits orange. A passion for fighting. That's a common phrase, to fight with passion. Actually, I think passion fits all of the traits.

''Thundersnail confirms animals exist underground. There's no reason to assume this is the fur of a dead monster.''

The fur in Toriel's sink.

I don't recall even one.

Neither do I, but I do remember we were discussing some. And I trust the past me.

''Not really. I've explain the HUD mechanics as more than lines of code.''

Even worse then. Have you ever tried doing less, rather than more?

Why not?

It seems like a deux ex machina to me, and that's unlike Toby Fox. Also, balance may be good in some cases, but in practice, it's better to have a specialization, rather than to know everything half way. So no, I don't think it's a particularly striking advantage.

''Probably something new entirely. It's the culmination of the power exclusive to the SOUL. But it's not DT!''

There's still a correlation with DT. Whatever it is, I'd include DT in the equation.

You can't change the facts.

I never change, I always give an alternative explanation. The only time I do change something, is when I suspect a plot hole. You may find your own explanation for them, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. You gotta have it figured out what the author meant to do, versus what the game is actually showing you. I'm saying that the things we know about monsters contradicts Toriel's fur persisting even after her death, and the buildup to, the atmosphere of, and the words of Asriel in the final battle all contradict the supposed fact that we could still reload, as if none of that mattered at all.

I'll try to remember the other plot holes we've discussed previously. I'm pretty sure one of them was about the history plaques.

''I've already made an explanation for Chara's existence, the exact mechanics of the HUD, Gaster's fall (I didn't mention it here though), the reason behind the war, possibly what the Silver Key machine is, and I even had an explanation of Chara's motivations, which, while still not having been proven wrong, I'm going to be revising, since the evidence supporting it I used was pretty weak. (I already made a revised version of pre-death Chara!)''

All of that is very nice, but it doesn't exactly demolish the alternative explanations to all those things. In other words, your theories are just one of many within this fandom. And I might be even further than you when it comes to explanations. My theories gave rise to what I think might be the most expansive take on the UT world yet. And all it took was a lot of explanations which were alternative to your own, as well as some guesswork regarding Toby's plan.

Because assuming that everything is canon the way it is isn't exactly rational, nor practical. We could certainly go back to guessing Toby's intentions. And while he most likely had only one, he also never expressed it. Maybe because he still has one more story to tell, or maybe because he's simply giving us the freedom to interpret him and his game as we please (as long as our conclusions are logical).

If your theory assumes that everything is canon, then it's actually not even comparable with mine. Simiarly, Camila Cuevas's head canons about the game are incomparable with ours. We're all guessing different things about Toby, essentially. She strongly believes in the meta, you strongly believe that there are no mistakes in the story, and I try to think like Toby, that is, go with the more lightweight explanation each time, if it's not exactly clear which one should be the correct one. I mean heck, we're probably overthinking the traits anyways, I bet Toby just wanted some "canon grounding" for the soul modes and didn't actually develop the traits past what he wrote about them in the ball game.

So I am taking a lot of liberty whenever I work with something I'm pretty sure Toby didn't even think about. And I try to avoid cheap story mechanics (like deus ex machinas, mary sues) like the plague, because I vehemently believe that Toby is smart enough to not succumb to them.

I'm only "overfitting" things as much as quantum field theory does.

What does THAT even mean?

Traits don't cycle!

Well you can't know that...

Jk, it's not that they cycle, it's that when they all have the same proportion, their effects nullify each other and in principle, it's as if there were none at all. That's how I explain the fact that red can be both all and none at the same time.

''But you were insisting it MUST be your way, just to make it work as evidence as "proof" that DT HAS to be SOUL power! And that's not okay, when there's another way to look at it.''

Thank god I've changed my behavior then. But remember, that it was me. I first began arguing that all this arguing is pointless. You didn't. You never once stopped to say that we're both correct. Instead, you just replying with massive walls of text trying to disprove me every single time.

''I even acknowledged at the end. I said it's time to find out if DT is SOUL power or not to see if the premise makes sense. So let's find out, shall we?''

We tried. The conclusion was, that we got stuck on grammar. And even that worked both ways. I say that DT is soul power, because of the correlation. You cannot disprove that, because I'm just gonna argue with something back to give back support to the evidence behind this. The best you can do is come up with two different theories, one which destroys this correlation, and one which keeps it, but uses other methods to conclude that it's not implying a causation. Or just pick only one of those if you don't want to do both.

You can't have negative traits.

So the center cannot be at 0. Because if it was, you'd need negative numbers to express negatives. That's why I said it's 0.5 centered instead.

''Technically, the subtraits are irrelevant. You brought them up, but really, they are nothing more than the 6. Compassion is just passion used to be kind. It's nothing special.''

I don't see how this can yield enough variance to account for the variance found in real world people. Unless, yeah, not all personality traits get expressed as physical traits, only these 7 specific ones.