Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-29788596-20160906011125/@comment-35806478-20200222082640

" High LV only increases your stats, it doesn't magically give you the ability to possess someone. "

That's...technically false. It's like saying high inches allow you to reach the Oreos at the top of the fridge - like, yeah I guess that makes sense sort of BUT you would definitely never say that in real life.

" Fortunately for them, there are six monsters full of free EXP! What a steal! "

Who and where are those six monsters? We're on the Surface in this hypothetical.

" In fact, the "partner" is more likely implying that we are a follower of Chara, rather than Chara being a follower of us. "

No it doesn't.

" Why would they go to a HUMAN for that? A human is literally the LAST kind of person they'd POSSIBLE go to. In fact, they might be better off doing literally the exact OPPOSITE we do! "

Chara had no control over who they latched on to. They also couldn't leave Frisk's body since their Determination was keeping them alive.

"No, he saw killing as the right thing because not killing got him killed. Not because, say, Jerry told him "hey, killing's a good thing. Here, watch me!"

I'd also say LV is responsible for this as well, since he didn't reach that conclusion until AFTER he started killing just to see what happens."

1. Wait...when did not killing people EVER get Flowey killed???

2. Again, LV is just a unit of measurement. It doesn't actually do anything, just like how inches are not actual things. LV =/> murderous, murderous => LV.

"Really? Show me! And wait, Frisk can't cross it to go back underground?

Then I guess it's not the Barrier! If it were, Frisk would be able to cross it to reach the monster side... But not be able to cross back."

I've got a counter argument for this. You know how Frisk can't walk off cliffs in Hotland and drown in lava? Going back through the barrier right now would be trapping yourself inside the kingdom that thinks you just murdered their king. Self-preservation prevents where the player can go.

"Asriel's battle happens in the same place it was earlier. We were already in that room when we fought Asriel. We didn't cross it at that point. Therefore, when the Barrier broke, the Barrier was ahead of us. So it's either in the room of the Asriel battle, or beyond the door.

Considering that we don't see a barrier in that room, it must be beyond the door."

Unless I'm mistaken, the Asriel fight starts in Asgore's barrier room and ends in an L-shaped room. So yeah, we did change rooms.

" In other words, what we see is exactly what we'd expect if Chara was going to kill them. So you really can't say they're not. Combine that with the fact that it makes no sense for them to do it in one and not the other, and it's pretty likely they do it in both. "

You've got no proof they ARE killing people, though. Why would they start killing monsters if they know they can't leave?

"No, because Frisk doesn't have that power at LV20.

Perhaps it's something special about... whatever species Chara is post-death. (Wight? Demon? Phantom?)"

Oh, come the fuck on.

" It's. A. Slash! "

Flowey breaks our SAVE file quite physically. I think Chara can SLASH a SAVE file.

I think I remember you proposed that Chara had destroyed our SAVE file at the same time they destroyed the world. I chuckled because Mago had been proposing the SAVE-destroying theory as the way in which Chara destroyed the world FOR THE WHOLE THREAD.

" LV gave them power. "

Semantics. Did inches give me Oreos?

"So: From this, the most likely explanation is that that the "certain power" they need is the same power they gain from LV."
 * 1) Chara needs a certain power to destroy the world.
 * 2) Chara gained power from us
 * 3) We don't see any other kind of power that they "gained".
 * 4) They only destroy the world after we've maxed out out LV.

Heheh. You just admitted that LV gave them power. Which means they can feel LV. Which means Frisk and Chara share LV. Which means corrrruption!

Think about it - if Chara was always LV 20, they always had the power. If they were always LV 1, they never get the power. Their LV MUST change with ours.

Oh, and - 3 is an argument from silence and at LV 19 or lower, they don't have a reason to destroy the world. Sorry for your logic thread.

" There's FLOWEY. Though it's certainly a lot harder to fight him at LV1 than LV19/20. "

How much EXP do you think Flowey gives?????

" We have to fight him. Also, Flowey destroys the SOUL, so one-shotting him would be useless. We need the Flowey bit. "

If we don't know that Flowey destroys the SOUL, we could try and take it. And we don't 'need the Flowey bit', what are you talking about?