Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-37334388-20190301031034/@comment-32182236-20190823182401

Chara was raised by humans (no duh) but they didn’t exactly treat them well ( in Chara’s mind ) so Chara one day decided that they couldn’t handle this and wanted to commit suicide. And if they couldn’t, they would go down Mt. Ebott and hope for a monster to kill them (humans thought monsters were murderers).

There's a giant hole seen in the intro. Why didn't Chara jump down the hole?

...They tripped on a vine and fell down the hole. We see that happen in the intro.

Chara's reasons for climbing the mountain wasn't for a happy reason, but it was suicidal either.

I think it was to get away from humanity. Though it could also be because they supported monsters, which would probably get them hated by the rest of humanity.. And it could have been exile, given how this was a punishment in the distant past, and I think Chara fell in the distant past. (Long story short, monster calendar doesn't fit human calendar, Chara fell way before Frisk, and we see the Surface in the modern era as Frisk.)

One of Gasters experiments caused Chara’s Hate for humans to become an urge to kill humans.

...Why?

I think their hatred was just that strong to begin with. From their perspective, monsters are good, and humans are flat-out evil, because of how they treated monsters.

You are aware that terrorists think that they're doing the right thing, right? I think the same is the case for Chara. (I don't call them a terrorist, though, because they're not trying to threaten humanity into making a political change. Instead.. They're an Anti-Villain.)

After that day Chara planned on their escape and they planned on ways to kill all humans. One day, Chara learned that they could cross through the barrier using a boss Monsters soul along with their own, or if they had 7 human souls. Chara then killed some monsters secretly in the hopes that they had boss souls.

...Why?

We know that Boss Monsters are a special kind of monster, and I think it'd be pretty obvious which species is a Boss Monster. We really have no evidence that Chara tried killing anyone. Even as Chara was dying, Asgore still called Chara the future of humans and monsters.

If Chara killed off monsters, the dust remains would be visible. And enough times, and the murders would be witnessed.

Yet, the monsters still see Chara as good.

Then Chara thought of killing Asgore. They asked Asriel if he wanted to help Chara make a pie for their dad. Asriel said yes. Chara instead of using butter, used buttercups, in the hopes that it would make him ill and kill him.

...How do we know that it wasn't actually an accident? "cups of butter" and "buttercups" could have been mixed around.

...Asriel is basically a goat. And so is Asgore. Goats eat flowers.

You got the actual story of their death correct, though. Asriel was also aware of the SOUL control, though.

"And we'll do it together, right?"-Asriel, Tape 5

Chara must have told him.

Since Chara’s Soul was within Asriel, a part of them also became dust on the flowers.

While our essence is contained within our SOUL, as that is what we control in battle, Chara is awakened when we first hit the flowers in the Ruins.

Flowers that didn't exist when Chara fell.

Chara's body isn't in Asgore's coffin. So it was placed elsewhere.

Frisk's SOUL shatters when they die, and Chara had a red SOUL, just like Frisk.

We don't know what happened to Chara's SOUL, but it's missing now. And Chara is awakened by us.

So their essence is in the Ruins. With their body.

Dust contains monster essence, the body contains human essence after death. ...At least when it comes to red SOULs.

but when he decides to kill, the idea wasn’t brought in his mind, Chara’s spirit told him to do so because apart of them still resided inside of Asriel’s dust, plus the determination.

Evidence?

We still awakened Chara. They couldn't have consciously done this to Asriel.

Flowey had the ability to SAVE and LOAD, and was Soulless.

If you lacked the ability to love, and had the ability to save and load in real life.. There's a pretty good chance you'd follow Flowey's path, and kill also.. Because you can just reload after you're done, and bring everyone back! It's like you never killed at all!

Chara’s Actual soul was used by Gaster to make the Core.

How did monsters make it to New Home before the CORE was built? Why don't the monsters trapped in the MTT resort use that method to reach the capital, instead of waiting for the elevator?

Toriel Barried Chara’s Body under the field of flowers we fall on. When we fall into the underground, we overpower Floweys Determination, which causes him to lose it, and we awaken Chara’s Actual soul.

..But it's in the CORE by your theory.. And how can the essence be in two places at once?

If you restart after doing true Pacifist, let’s say it was because Chara did it.

...Who knows, maybe it was because they did it. Flowey was talking to Chara, after all.

But we choose to restart, and it could equally have been Frisk's choice. Flowey wasn't able to tell the difference between Frisk and Chara.

Perhaps this line only means that Chara would choose to reset if they had that power.

Then they make you do Genocide so they can take your soul but they can’t overpower you until you reach the core/end, where their soul is strongest.

They encourage genocide, but the choice is still yours, Frisk.

Once they take your soul, they restart in your body as you. At the end of the soulless Pacifist ending, you see chara is in your body and they go on to kill humans.

They don't restart as you, and do everything you would do.

They exist in your body, let you do what you want, and then take over in the end.

if that’s not what happened then at the end of genocide route, Chara realizes that Gaster used their soul for his experiments that caused them to be demonic.

Okay, let's take a look at the ways that Chara can take action!

1-Use the powers they have over the ability to SAVE and LOAD to go back to before Gaster did those experiments, thus turning them back to how they were before the experiments.. And then refuse to do the experiment 2-Kill Gaster because REVENGE! ..And leave everyone else alone. And don't actually do something to undo what Gaster did.

Hmm.. Which one is more reasonable.. *Chara goes cross-eyed* Option 2, of course! *ding*

Chara goes to alternate worlds that Gaster creates to find and kill him but instead runs into one of the worlds (Deltarune) as Kris and has no Determination, only Imagination. At the end they find their soul useless at the moment so they lock them up in a cage ( the soul is frisk )

"Let us erase this pointless world, and move onto the next"-Chara