Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31619784-20170328162322/@comment-34070401-20180418061032

lol true,

But i think this thread is more a reflection on why chara doesn't do well in its roll as concequecnes though so i will explore in that direction.

I find the lack of immersion in the chain of events that lead the player towards the concequences defeat the result of being punished. If something bad happened within the games world, like say flowey being depressed and hard locking the game by not interacting with the story and thus making the good ending unobtainable would be many times more fitting even if it was just as irreversable and still makes sense story wise. It would even make a follow up play through eerie as little things are different culminating in asgore being the actual final boss.

Then again the idea that someone would punish the player in the first place doesn't make sense. As flowey himself said he saved every life, destroyed every life, read every book, burned every book, and ran every scenerio. Flowey is a reflection of player curiousity to begin with and has committed even more effective genocides then the player ever could in game. The lack of scenerio to explore fundamentally punishes the player for treating these characters poorly as though your last memories of them are getting bored and watching them die against you with open arms.

Finally, given what you learn about chara the souless ending makes little sense from a character perspective. Chara serving the double role as both victim (died due to asriels indecision when trying to gather human souls with asriel to destroy the barrier) and villian (the consequences for your evil actions in a world that doesn't otherwise have any) of the story means that deciphering its plans get a little silly if not entirely counter productive.

Its confusing, but i believe it goes something like Chara who is a child who tried to save the underground decided to destroy the underground because of your endless blood thirst, Then offers to let you make amends (and encourages you to do so) only to get the power neccessary to be alive and in control after you save the underground (soulless ending) thus accomplishing its original goal. Then it decides that now that it has accomplished its established motivation its going to kill the now free monsters (or atleast make you think thats its plan) that it worked to free, so that you will reset and not get a soulless ending thus making everything moot and you feel bad?