Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31981697-20170722123329/@comment-32182236-20171220152251

I left out some points in the timeline-My main point about red being determination has not changed-I just didn't include it in the timeline, because it's a timeline, not a master theory.

If you mean two things that DID change that I'm aware of, when Toriel left Asgore, by the time I changed that, we were no longer talking about it-We'd moved onto a philosophical discussion about how we should take evidence into consideration, and that has not changed one bit. THAT'S what's currently relevant to the discussion, so THAT'S what we're talking about. That's also why I didn't mention that I've changed when Flowey came to be, from being around WITH other humans, to no longer being there with other humans, if I didn't learn how these flowers are seasonal, and can last at most 1 year, I would probably still believe that Flowey was around and could SAVE and LOAD.

But, it is true that because Toriel more than likely left after Asgore made the declaration, that does give Sans the change to tell Asgore about the HUD for the other kids, and let him destroy FIGHT, but now we're back to where we started-Why Frisk, specifically? Of course, at this point, that's not even one of my main arguments anymore-Now it has to do with determination fluctuating, whether it's determination itself or "DT magic"-We continued over in the thread I linked, one that argues that red is determination-Basically starting anew. The discussion's better off in that thread anyway, since that thread's SPECIFICALLY about whether or not red is determination, it was only here because someone argued the question isn't valid because "determination SOULs don't exist".