Since i am bored, Im going to being powerscaling The characters and stuff. Alright at our First place of weakest character, is LV 1 frisk, There health got demolished by flowey, so considerably without any armor they are weak sauce.

Asriel(Normal state.): Asriel, in there Normal state after chara fallen, Asriel is only a Kid, but i believe they could handle them self, But other then that They are weak.

Chara(Normal state.):Again this state Of chara, is a child, and couldn't really do much, But could bring up a good fight, if they wanted to.

Sans: sans with no KR is weak as hell, They would only do one Damage Through out a battle, but however we cannot ignore the KR, when you are lv 19 they do alot of damage, KR is karmic retribution And It works if you have done sins The damage increases, so it depends on how many sins you done, But sans is lazy, and only has 1 defense, So one hit and sans is dead, so sans

Alphys: Alphy's is weak, But there technology could be used in battle, but would not have much confidence And would probably freak out, and flee before you could even do an option.

Flowey: Flowey, Could probably Make any character struggle, If they do a surprise attack like they did in The true pacifist, They often use trickery to gain the upper hand, like they did with papyrus in true pacifist telling them the numbers of all the monsters, And how they killed asgore when asgore was low, if you spared them, So Flowey Could Probably kill some Kids, and a Lazy skeleton, And lets not forget with the Determination and before frisk's fall Flowey wouldve been a mountain level, considering they killed every monster When they had power like Saving and loading, So flowey Before frisk fall is mountain level, But after frisk Fall, They aren't so strong.

Other monsters: The non boss monsters, are Weak, But can put up a decent fight if you don't know What to do.

Alright now we go into the boss Monsters, The monsters that are one of the strongest in the under ground.

Papyrus: Papyrus, as stated has Brought up a Hell of a fight against Undyne, but his kindness Can get him killed, like in genocide route, But papyrus if you remove the kindness From him, Would be higher up on this list.

Toriel: Toriel, I know died from a toy knife and a lv 4 or lv 5 Child, But I believe because she let her Guard down something similar to that, And lets not forget If she wasn't Merciful for humans, You would've died, And toriel would've not hold back, and lets not forget she is the queen of the underground, And She is able to Send flowey flying, and asgore if she wanted to, So she is Strong, But lets go higher up on the list.

Mettaton: Mettaton in there normal form is Considerably Unkillable, but when there switch Is flipped, Toriel, Could bring up a good fight, but Undyne Would Defeat Mettaton in this state.

Undyne: Undyne, is Considerably One of the strongest, Considering she can bring up a good fight against asgore, And has been Trained by the king himself, So undyne With that Is one of the strongest, but not stronger then these new Opponents!

Asgore: Asgore, is the king of the monsters, And he is Mountain level atleast, Considering That he was able to take hits from lv 20 Frisk, Twice So that is certainly an impressive feat, in durability, And since a human could kill the entire Underground and such, and considering he has killed 6, Some were Pacifist some were not, So Asgore is One of the strongest in the underground, And against Frisk, he mostly is Possibly not trying as He is Filled with grief, and guilt And doesn't even look Frisk in the eyes, But The next monsters put that to Shame.

LV 20 frisk: LV 20 frisk, is Considerably one of the strongest, They are definetly a mountain level, maybe even more They killed asgore with relative ease two shotting, and killed flowey easily which isn't to impressive, They have killed Everyone in the underground, So they are in the top 5 of the Strongest beings, in the under ground, but are put to shame By our next characters!

Godly like beings These beings are unstoppable.

W.D gaster: W.D gaster has 66666 Stats, and cannot be stopped after the core accident.

Omega flowey: Omega flowey, Is one of the strongest, with the power of 6 human souls, they overpower frisk with Determination, and can load and save files, And put the human in a constant death loop, if they wanted to They could kill frisk permanetly, But if the human souls Rebel against omega flowey, i believe we all know what happens next, If omega flowey was somehow defeated, they Would just load a file and be at Full health, This battle would be impossible If the human souls did not rebel against flowey.

Asriel(With all the souls): Asriel in there Hyper death state, is By all accounts unkillable, And undefeatable, Unless you do a save button move, But other then that Asriel, could easily Destroy the universe if they wanted to, and probably the multiverse, So Asriel is in the top 2 with all the souls in the underground, and in there hyper death.

Chara: Chara, Is The strongest character in Undertale, in there true form they are Stats which is truly terrifying, Chara at the end of the Genocide route, Destroys the entire Reality, and probably destroyed the Universe, They are the Physical embodiment of stats, if they wanted to, They probably could destroy the multiverse, And they are able to one shot LV 20 frisk, With What is Thought as Infinite damage, The slash destroyed the reality with relative ease, So Chara is the Strongest Character due to this.

Also, i will not be adding The annoying dog to this list, as it is obvious were they would be placed, and the other creators, so uh hoped you enjoyed this list i guess.

Well, most people think the these are just stories passed along, like it is AFTER undertale, and it is a time of peace. But in my opinion, it is somewhat another storyline. Deltarune consists only 1 main human and all else are other monsters that are not even present in the undertale saga. So it might be a twisted world, where MONSTERS won and had to deal with what HUMANS had while they were underground, suffering.

However, the fact that it is the same house in snowdin makes some sense of some kind of link, the character's characteristics, Toriel kind, Sans cool, Undyne brave and Alphys shy. But in this story Alphys barely know Undyne, and Papyrus is not appearing.

All I say is it might be Loner Kid's phrase 'have you ever imagined a twisted world' and it is DELTARUNE, where monsters won!

But monsters have mercy, What happened to Frisk might be later revealed in chapter 3-5 if the 2 games are linked, but if not maybe a prestory of frisk will be shown.

Anyways, in my opinion, the UNDERTALE game is when humans won and the DELTARUNE saga is when Monsters won

Any ideas comment below!

So, I have been trying to get the genocide route for the past 9 months. I think as I reached waterfall, it just stopped. I didn't get Undyne the Undying boss. Just normal Undyne, like every time. So, if you can, please tell me how to get a genocide route?

I was having a conversation with a friend about whether or not Giorno Giovanna could beat Frisk, when I realized how ridiculous that sounds. It's like wondering if a video game character could kill a real life player of the game, all efforts to kill them would be pointless.

To beat Frisk would require reality-altering abilities like those of Monika from DDLC. Even then, the logistics of defeating Frisk get very messy.

If you think you know a character that can beat Frisk, please explain how the would go about doing so, I'd love to see how you think certain characters would go about it.

I was trying to come up with names for the different types of monsters when I discovered this.

1967 Chinese Zodiac: Fire Goat Year - Personality Traits (thehoroscope.co)

It's not that much of a long shot to assume that "Fire Goat" could relate to Toriel and the Dreemurr family in some way. Because from what I've read, it doesn't seem like anyone's batted an eye at the real reason why Toby chose fireballs for the goats' attacks. And the personality traits listed seem almost spot-on for Asriel and not much further off for his parents. Just food for thought.

I dunno, maybe this could get added to their trivia sections or something if enough of you guys agree.

So i cant get undertale i use a mac that i belive is around 2 years old and it works veary smoothly. so i go to the site and i do all the oring stuff and i go to my downloads double click on undertale and im met with this screen

Click to see message yeah i need help plz bc undertale seemes like a fun game

Itch.io link is broken and steam one isnt out yet

I spelled that wrong and it's 2 days late but it's the thought that counts!

So Sans' KR ignores I-frames

What if you play on low fps

Do you take less KR

A while ago, I made a theory that Sans was Determined.

Needless to say, it didn't fly.

"He would be able to Reset!" "He would be melting!" "The red is just ketchup!" "Blood in his bones!"

I can debunk all of those.

1. Only the MOST DETERMINED IN A TIMELINE can Reset. That's just a canon thing.

2. Undyne doesn't melt immediately, either, and she's determined.

3. If it's just ketchup, then why does it come out of HIS MOUTH??? I'm not sure about you, but when I get cut, my last meal and whatever I'm holding sure doesn't do that.

4. Blood is the easiest to debunk. Papyrus.

He doesn't bleed.

Sans does.

On top of that, Sans is believed to have been a Royal Assistant to Gaster, who pioneered DETERMINATION. We know he was able to extract it, so why can't sans harvest brief amounts of Determination, too?

The reason he doesn't just Refuse or come back to life is because, in those last moments...

He has none left.

Anyway that's my theory plz leave your thoughts in the comments I'll try not to be salty.

How many monsters i need to kil in the ruins for the genocide route?

If you can give me a fast answer, thank you

When sans was still a human, there is a chance that he was disabled, paralyzed and stuff. That can maybe explain why he is so lazy and his lack of fingers and height. It can also explain the fact why he doesn't move his mouth while talking. When he turned into a living skeleton he had no muscles so he could walk and do stuff. Also he can teleport because he was unable to move. Thank you

Just wondering why aren't the torn notebook and the glasses often used during the sans battle, They the only 2 items that give any advantage there excluding healing items.

This is mostly going to focus on Sans' part of the story. Sans is one of the saddest parts of the entire game.

First, I want to tackle the similar story of Sans and Monika from Doki Doki Literature Club. DDLC covers the horror of self awareness, the idea that the world you live in is controlled by some higher power and that the world you live in is not real or entirely insignificant. This is the kind of mind bending terror that Sans experiences every time he fights Chara. The idea that no matter what happens he and his friends will infinitely suffer no matter how hard he tries. This is also partially why Dusttale at least in my opinion, is entierely canon. No matter how strong a person's will is insanity prevails in these situations of hopelesness, sadness and fear. Sans keeps a cool exterior, making jokes, puns and generally having fun. This is only an outer mask however, as we see him give us a life threat on the "date". He clearly despises the human because of what he has seen Frisk or more accurately, Chara do. His face is also used for intimidation and concentration. Sans simply does not care for the human at best because he knows that no matter how many times Frisk does a pacifist route, he knows soon enough, another genocide run will happen. He only keeps going because he wants to see his friends smile and live in peace but does not care about himself as we see him walking back to the underground, waiting for the next genocide or neutral route. Sans suffers eternally from the horrible effects of reliving the same suffering, watching his friends die over and over and over. Even when he sees Frisk/Chara killing his brother, he refuses to kill the human on the spot due to his promise to Toriel and even in the end fight when all of his friends have died, attempts to warn Frisk about the suffering both will go through if she steps over the line. Even in that moment, he cares about Toriel and hence all his friends enough to risk his life to try to keep his promise. So at it's core Undertale is the story of Sans eternally seeing his friends die over and over. I feel AUs like Glitchtale and Dusttale to be canon because in the endless amount of repeats something different happens. Thus the creations of AUs. Outer tampering like Gaster would also shift timelines. The thought of endless possibility is what makes undertale an amzing game. A sad story is hidden behind it which is what engages the player and causes them to really empathise with sans or any of the monsters.

End of post.

Favorite; sans. great; papyrus, undyne, frisk, asriel. Okay; annoying dog, alphys, toriel, w.d.Gaster. Meh; Jerry. Not great; asgore. Terrible; mettaton. Is lucky I want to do pacifist; chara, flowey.

Have you seen the meme that says papyrus is the reason people abort genocide? It is true but not in the way the meme puts it. Papyrus is so obviously a good and kind person that few players have the heart to strike him down

Evidence 1 asriel was friends with chara and asriel wouldn’t have been friends with someone evil so undertale present chara is a different charecter

Evidence 2 chara wanted frisk to give up her soul to chara

Evidence 3 Toby fox doesn’t really make evil characters in full they aren’t themselves when they are bad

True reset should get rid of soulless because then if you genocide you have to do a pacifist to go back instead of being trapped

The sans story is actually really sad, if you don't want me to talk about it, I don't care just listen

Well, actually, flowey before kept killing. Sans actually knows it, but he can't do anything.

Then when Flowey gets bored, he will RESET.

Everytime he resets, he gets even more bored.

So he decided to stop.

Years later, the human kills, and sans really just wants a good ending, but the human doesn't get amused from happiness.

This will keep repeating, but this time sans can't remember when you RESET.

Sans is also only smiling just to look like he is always amusing, when he knows all of this and can't do anything, and he knows about the AUs, as he mentioned in-battle "Timelines". This also comes with Gaster, meaning they were friends, or either family.

He only wants to be with his brother, and not spending time with his friends dying, and doesn't want this.

This is now (my theory) where Dusttale comes.

If you know it, then after the human kills sans, sans still doesn't remember and the human, even more amused, likes killing sans even MORE.

This is also where (my theory) Gaster comes in, and DustTale LAST GENOCIDE Comes in.